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Assuming you're town:
I'd like to say I'd have tried to keep you alive if I knew you were eth0s, but probably not, never seen you do these kind of gambits as town.
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Nah lol, just a friend I managed to convince to copy-paste my town roleblocker posts.In post 4689, Cliff Booth wrote:SO YOU ARE DOCTOR WATSON?!
No idea why he agreed to it, and then decided to explain it away as some form of "test" for you.-
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@Hop:
Not really my fault.
I'm scumreading Kop, think I was scumreading Titus when I looked through their ISO yesterday. Nothing comes to mind on Eevee right now.-
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I have a whole semi-ISO analysis on Titus yesterday iirc, and I must've commented on Kop and Garmr.-
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I'm sure I ISOed and commented on Titus, though maybe it was Texcat.
I'll look for it later.-
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Not as much as I thought but it's post 160 to 163 in my ISO.
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Were you aware this and the posts surrounding it existed when you mentioned me ignoring/supporting that group of people?In post 4766, Hopkirk wrote:
There's this if that's what you mean.In post 4353, Hectic wrote:That's amazing. I am forever in your debt, Texcat.
Titus' stance on profii is really odd. Like I get considering the possibility that he could be scum with a traitor in a neighbourhood, but thinking it's likely the case is dubious to say the least.
@Titus: Why'd you vote for Garmr late on yesterday? Earlier, you said he does crazy stuff as town and that you'd very surprised if he flipped scum.-
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That's 4 scum.In post 4772, Rick Dalton wrote:Eevee, Titus, and Garner probably have 2 scum in them, then the last scum is a deep wolf somewhere-
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Interesting.In post 4780, Hopkirk wrote:
I have a reasonable reason to townread you based onIn post 4771, Hectic wrote:Not as much as I thought but it's post 160 to 163 in my ISO.
@Hop: What's your read on me right now?reasons
Interactions with likely scum + POE make me concerned. I'd lynch other people first (Eevee, Titus, Garmr).
If Garmr or you are scum then you're probably both scum. Garmr's interactions with you feel different to how he interacts (much more aggressively) with most of the thread.
Currently more likely scum than town on the aggregate.
What's your read on me right now?
Considering reasons, I'm getting massive alarm bells from your flip on me, though I'm currently failing to see the scum-motivation for it.-
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Actually, scum-motivation I could see is that you're afraid people would scumread you for your constant buddying of me that you can't really backup. Or, you're setting me up for a lynch further down the road, so you're lowering your read on me a little now instead of doing a complete flip on me 2 days from now.-
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A mixture. That and you appeared to be solving/scumhunting, and your memeing early on turning into more serious play rate was consistent with past town games.-
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Gonna have to play this mostly in the moment. Not really gonna have the time to reread stuff since editing season is here and the wiki needs my 220wpm.
So here's some gutreads based on memory:
{Kop, Rick, Titus}
{Texcat, Eevee}
{Garmr, AaronFrost, Hopkirk}
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The buddying from A was extremely artificial and had no good reasons. And there were times where I asked him to give me chancellor/or vote Ja for my presidency since he townreads me, and I'd see annoyance/reluctance from him but he had to do it because he "townread me".In post 4790, Hopkirk wrote:Given how you reacted to the buddying from 'A' then other day (instant lockscum) I was getting surprised how strongly you townread me unless you assumed I was just memeing with my entire read on you.
I didn't think you were memeing, I just thought you were using R.-
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In post 4791, Hectic wrote:Never mind, this is terrible, can't really explain my reads for half of those.Help and I'll give you a nice wiki edit.@Carcalilly:-
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Why is Garmr scum again? Last I recall, people were townreading him for his wildly erratic behaviour.In post 4794, Titus wrote:
Great then help me bus. Garmr fake claim is to let him coast.In post 4781, Hopkirk wrote:I'm thinking 4 of (Eevee, Titus, Garmr, Hectic, Kop) as scumteam.-
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I think Hopkirk might be scum here actually. Bump him up by 1.2ish on my reads list.
Just can't understand the reasoning for your flip considering the strength of J.-
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@Rick: Remind me if you have any modifiers?In post 4799, AaronFrost wrote:
I believe Rick claimed docIn post 4719, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Wait, we have a doc claim. We had one pr that wasnt suspected (Profii) Why is the doc believable?
Also, mass claim happens now.
I want Rick and Titus first.-
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Why does his weird read on me implicate me?In post 4809, AaronFrost wrote:I think Hopkirk and Hectic are likely scum together. Hop's been very inconsistent with his read on Hectic, from assuring us he's town to now being worried about him out of nowhere.
Remaining scum most likely lies in {tex, Garmr, Titus, Eevee}.
I agree with Garmr and Rick claiming their results today.
We mass claiming today?-
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Also, why do you think scum!Hectic and scum!Hopkirk are now semi-scumleaning each other, when they could've carried on townreading each other and pushing mislynches?In post 4814, Hectic wrote:
Why does his weird read on me implicate me?In post 4809, AaronFrost wrote:I think Hopkirk and Hectic are likely scum together. Hop's been very inconsistent with his read on Hectic, from assuring us he's town to now being worried about him out of nowhere.
Remaining scum most likely lies in {tex, Garmr, Titus, Eevee}.
I agree with Garmr and Rick claiming their results today.
We mass claiming today?-
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^Hop has a tell on me.
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Though in this case I mean "the tell".In post 4817, Hopkirk wrote:Oh, why didn't you use a codeword like 'eyebrows' that I'd have known meant the tell.
You did some d1, but didn't do that much of it when you started posting later on in the game.-
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Nah, got it working. Maybe I should show off my shiny scum record.In post 4820, Hopkirk wrote:Did you still not get the sig working btw Hectic?-
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What're your reads on Rick and Texcat?In post 4781, Hopkirk wrote:I'm thinking 4 of (Eevee, Titus, Garmr, Hectic, Kop) as scumteam.
@Pine: Eevee, Titus, and yourself are what most seem to want to lynch today.-
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Nice wiki page you've got there. I'd give it a 17.In post 4834, Pine wrote:Hey all. A reminder of my replacement ethic when the game is too large to manage - I do not read everything, do not ask me to. The game is the size of a small novel, and layered with entrenched positions. My intent is to look at things with fresh eyes and go from there. I may read selections from the backlog at my discretion, but if there’s something specific I should look at, let me know.
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Hopkirk + Titus + Kop are my top scumreads for now. The only non-confirmed person that I'm not scumleaning/reading is Aaron and Garmr, though Aaron's claim of a Hectic-Hopkirk scumpair is slightly dodgy.
I bought Hopkirk's townread on me because apparently I have a "towntell" and he's had similar strong townreads on me in the past that have been accurate while he was town. I was aware it could just be him buddying me, but I was leaning towards him being town since the rest of his play seemed helpful/genuine. This sudden flip on me is really unnatural though, and I don't buy the reasons for it. Kop didn't mention most players in the game. I did mention Titus enough.
Also there's the factor that his scumread on me relies on all of his scumreads being correct, so it's a fairly weak link.
I'm townreading Garmr based on his frustration recently, though perhaps I'm too easily swayed. Could someone remind me of what Garmr lied about earlier in the game which Lilly caught him out for?-
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I will ISO you one day, just not now. You've got a fairly large wiki.In post 4856, EeveeLution Army wrote:
His entire iso feels either surv based or just general funness. Idk what to make of it.In post 4761, Hectic wrote:Eevee's a void in my wiki.
Also. Im not that big of a void. And i just got back into the cs making mood. Earlier today i made what i feel is gonna be one of my better ones.-
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Absolutely, and of the Miller variety. Looking forward to seeing scum claim thinking they can endgame with me, but nope, gonna work with town till the endIn post 4855, EeveeLution Army wrote:
You still claiming surv?In post 6, Hectic wrote:Hiya all.
This is one of my first forum games so I'm quite excited!
So I thought I better prepare myself because I've heard all the stories of wolfgods (that's what we call in them in the inner circles) of the likes of Sharan Tate and Skellen solving games by page 5. Insanity?!
So I've been up all night reading through the mafiascum wiki and I am now a walking encyclopedia of knowledge.
I'm serious, if you want to know about ANYTHING, whether it be about what an abbreviation means, or some obscure study or guide into how often people who mention self-meta are scum: just ask me, I've got you covered.
So while reading through the wiki, I discovered that it's site meta to claim the Miller role right from the get go, so without further ado:
I am theMiller Survivor.
I know you may have reservations given the Survivor part of my claim. But I give you my honest law-abiding word that I will strive to and will always work with the town's best interests from here on out.
In fact, here's a pledge:
I, Hectic, will self-hammer myself in any situation where the number of mafia are equal to the number of town.
That pledge up there stops me from siding with scum and winning the game with them in a LyLo situation. With this fallback, you guys can just use this failsafe to spite me out of a win. Therefore, I will never betray you.
I look forward to finding scum with you all.-
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Interesting, that is pretty bad. This better not be another townie pulling some dumb gambit.
@Garmr: Why would you lie about that.-
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Cruising is so much fun though.In post 4927, Carcalilly wrote:hectic, quit cruising >:0
My following of this game has been very poor. There came a point where I gave up on reading everything (around page 40 or 50 maybe), and only tried to read the important stuff, and keep up to date about claims.
Was relatively busy today and will be tomorrow too. Saturday's when I'll have the time to read back to give better reads.
@Hop: The thing I find odd is you putting me in your pool of 5 while leaving Rick/Texcat/Someone else? out while saying you're putting me there for PoE reasons. I think scum!you is doing this to not get called out for your buddying, and since you need another townie to mislynch given how many scum are probably gonna be lynched from your perspective.
You don't usually bus but do when needed. Kop is one of those cases. I would think it scummy if you were defending Kop for whatever reason.
Also R.
And yes, I townlean Aaron for the meta stuff you presented earlier.-
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Here's my claim, friends ^In post 4550, Hectic wrote:I've got an insane role lined up to claim. Took me a solid few months of extensive wiki readings, and a few PhDs on surrounding topics for me to fully understand my role.
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More on Hop:
Why is weird for me to look to see if Kop is getting replaced? I wanted to see if he was gonna be replaced by the deadline. How is it scum-indicative?
Also, why does it matter if I kept my vote on Cliff while we waited for Kop? He was L-2, there was no reason for me to remove my vote.
You know I've been very loose with this game, as should be evident with my questions on past events. I'm playing in the moment more than referencing past things. Though I know that's lazy and not very useful to town, but that's a separate argument.
Feels like he's reaching with a lot of these.
Don't remember who I'm voting for but I'm gonna do this till my Saturday endeavor:
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It's not the worst if I get lynched here, don't really have much time for this game.In post 4937, Hectic wrote:
Here's my claim, friends ^In post 4550, Hectic wrote:I've got an insane role lined up to claim. Took me a solid few months of extensive wiki readings, and a few PhDs on surrounding topics for me to fully understand my role.
YIITOTVVBLMFCADHATIAZOTGTOA
Just know that I have VERY good reason to think Hop is scum here. Just trust me on this and lynch him after me. You guys can work out the rest.
Yes I'm Interestedly Town Of The Vanilla Variety But Let Me Fake Cop And Doc Here And Throw In A Z Or Two Guess That's One Actually-
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I Am Aware That Survivor Is Not A Role In Normal GamesIn post 34, Hectic wrote:
Why not? I promised to work with you guys and everything?In post 32, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Oooh man, this is gonna be fun.
VOTE: Hectic
Because I don't want him to survive.
IAATSINARING < that's my breadcrumb for this game.
What a shame. Making me fakeclaim vanilla townie as Survivor.-
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Nope. Hopkirk probably joked about it at some point.In post 4968, Garmr wrote:I been under the assumption this whole time that you and hopkirk had a qt + a role and that's why you were town reading each other because of it.
I'm surprised people are reading his complete flip on me as genuine.
How can you go from "If anyone has anything bad to say about Hectic, say it now." to being okay with lynching me today?
People were always suspicious of his strong townread on me, so this was a necessity for him, also because some of his scumreads are actually probably scum, so he needed another person to possibly mislynch.-
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@Hop:
Not sure why scum!you would push it tbh, but scum don't always always have a calculated reason for their plays.
I agree with you on Titus and Kop, and the rest are within pretty much everyone else. I'm even doubting Aaron now because of his pushing of the Hectic-Hopkirk bussing theory which really makes no sense.
Think I mentioned it before but some bussing with the number of mislynches is kinda necessary, even for you. You not gunning for Kop would set off alarm bells for example.
But fine, Kop/Pine is more scummy.
VOTE: Pine-
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Still don't understand Garmr's reasoning for lying, so he should probably in the same pile as Pine and Titus actually.-
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I townread him for his AtEs and generally erratic play, but that was before I learnt about this lie.
I think the negatives of having to lie about something like that outweigh the positives. There might actually be a doctor who counterclaims him, and he always looks bad in that scenario, a lot of things can go wrong basically.
Not sure why he'd lie as scum either though. Maybe he's not a voyuer and he's making up results based on scummy buddy track's.-
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The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
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I get that, but eventually your lie will be outed when no doctor can confirm your claim during a mass claim, and that suddenly puts suspicion on you for lying.In post 5005, Garmr wrote:In post 5001, Hectic wrote:Still don't understand Garmr's reasoning for lying, so he should probably in the same pile as Pine and Titus actually.It relies on three factors.It's so simple I think a newbie could get it.
1. In my eyes No one visited the living mason because i misread the result
2. A mason died
3.I wanted to save the mason.
With those three things I thought one
1.the doctor may of been roleblocked and saying a doctors actions went through would trick scum into thinking they missed.
2.If there was no doctor scum will hunt a imaginary one.
3. Scum wouldn't shoot the mason because they would think she was protected.
Also people say it's scum trying to out the doctor
1.What dumb ass doctor would out themselves. They should quit mafia if they do.
2.it gives me flack
3.there's better ways of outing the doctor
Like this is all basic stuff I don't understand why people can't comprehend such basic shit and been here for so long.
But I see a lot more town motivation there now than scum motivation.-
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Ah, that makes sense.In post 5006, Garmr wrote:
No counter claims various macho/ascetic roles makes sense for him to be doctor.In post 5004, Hectic wrote:The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
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@Titus: So I was reading through your wiki and getting to know you - I especially enjoyed the section on your day trip to Greenland, I didn't realise they had Polar bears there, and I'm really glad you made it out alive by back flipping over it, though I wouldn't recommend trying that one again - and I noticed your "current avatar" is not up to date.
Just thought you'd want to know.
Do you know why most people in this game are convinced you're scum?-
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For the luv of God.
I think we should treat this as a marathon game. Always wanted to put one of those down in my wiki.-
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Why are you still voting for Garmr then?In post 5056, Titus wrote:I am a one shot roleblocker. I held it until last night because I figured it was negative utility. I blocked Garmr. Someone still died. So either Garmr's a strongman, I was separately blocked or scum didn't send him for the kill.
VOTE: Garmr-
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Why do I have a terrible feeling that Titus is town horribly misplaying, and we're at Lylo with 5 scum alive?
Titus' hammer was ridiculously bad, but I have no idea why scum would do that there when Pine was basically certain to be lynched regardless.
Explain yourself, Titus.-
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The wiki gods just spoke to me.
Hopkirk is scum pushing a final mislynch for the win.
Aaron is scum for his forced HecticVHopkirk SvS theories.
Eevee is scum because all the conftown seem to think so.
Texcat is scum. Hop townreads her and not enough people have attacked her from this group.
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Can we not throw votes around like it's not Lylo? Especially on Titus?
Granted, it's really hard for all the scum to coordinate a quickhammer if it's just one town voting for another town, but why take the risk?-
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ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.
Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.-
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Actually, here's my lynch order of confidence: Eevee/Hopkirk > Texcat > AaronFF > Garmr > Titus-
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Btw, Aaron, they finally let me post some of the classified info on your wiki: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=AaronFrost-
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In post 5048, AaronFrost wrote:Seems like scum is gonna keep killing off the conf!town players. I'm pretty sure Titus flips scum no matter what but I would like a claim from her.
VOTE: Titus
These are posts which make me think Titus are town.In post 5050, Hopkirk wrote:I'm voting Titus as soon as Garmr gives his result.
Bob votes for Titus and scum!Aaron and Hop follow, seeing an easy route to victory.-
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Hectic Mad Hatter
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These are just a few reasons.In post 5070, EeveeLution Army wrote:
isnt this by strongest to weakest reasoning, tex, aaron, hopkirk, eevee, garmr?In post 5062, Hectic wrote:The wiki gods just spoke to me.
Hopkirk is scum pushing a final mislynch for the win.
Aaron is scum for his forced HecticVHopkirk SvS theories.
Eevee is scum because all the conftown seem to think so.
Texcat is scum. Hop townreads her and not enough people have attacked her from this group.
Garmr is scum by PoE.
There's other stuff like:
-Hop's weird interactions with me. At first pocketing me with his towntell thing, and then completely flipping his read in an unnatural way.
-Hop's meta defence of Aaron when I was first suspicious of him.
-Hop townreads Texcat when it doesn't make sense to based on how few town are left from the non-confirmed pool.
Fine, guess I'll finally ISO you now.-
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Hectic Mad Hatter
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