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[AaronFrost]

ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.

Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.

My power is gone once I use it. If I'm unknown, scum might change how they act and perceive like I am a threat. That can protect the more vocal town.

Second, the mass claim was poorly constructed. There's an ideal procedure and this wasn't it.

I didn't have the time to lead it.

Shouldn't the conf!towns be the ones to lead mass claim?

[AaronFrost]

Btw, Aaron, they finally let me post some of the classified info on your wiki: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=AaronFrost

Yes, finally! I was wondering if they were going to let you post that info.

[Titus]

ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.

Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.

My power is gone once I use it. If I'm unknown, scum might change how they act and perceive like I am a threat. That can protect the more vocal town.

Second, the mass claim was poorly constructed. There's an ideal procedure and this wasn't it.

I didn't have the time to lead it.

Shouldn't the conf!towns be the ones to lead mass claim?

No. Leading mass claim is about optimal strategy. The optimal massclaim order depends on suspected alignments. Given how widely suspected I was, massclaim should have never started when I was limited access.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

If Titus is town here, then I can see why she would use her 1-shot ability if she feels like she's on the hot seat today. Of course if Garmr got a result then we know she's lying but I'll withhold my vote until I hear from Garmr.

Yuck.

[Hectic]

I cant see titus being anything but scum.

VOTE: Titus

Seems like scum is gonna keep killing off the conf!town players. I'm pretty sure Titus flips scum no matter what but I would like a claim from her.

VOTE: Titus

I'm voting Titus as soon as Garmr gives his result.

These are posts which make me think Titus are town.
Bob votes for Titus and scum!Aaron and Hop follow, seeing an easy route to victory.

[Hectic]

The wiki gods just spoke to me.
Hopkirk is scum pushing a final mislynch for the win.
Aaron is scum for his forced HecticVHopkirk SvS theories.
Eevee is scum because all the conftown seem to think so.
Texcat is scum. Hop townreads her and not enough people have attacked her from this group.
Garmr is scum by PoE.

isnt this by strongest to weakest reasoning, tex, aaron, hopkirk, eevee, garmr?

These are just a few reasons.
There's other stuff like:
-Hop's weird interactions with me. At first pocketing me with his towntell thing, and then completely flipping his read in an unnatural way.
-Hop's meta defence of Aaron when I was first suspicious of him.
-Hop townreads Texcat when it doesn't make sense to based on how few town are left from the non-confirmed pool.

Fine, guess I'll finally ISO you now.

[Hectic]

I'm really bad at ISOing people I don't have previous meta with. Overall, not a lot of scumhunting and very short posts but I have no idea if that's alignment-indicative. Too lazy to go through their other games at the moment.

aww so sad. but wrong answer VOTE: elements

sorry but you have lost the game :[

the correct answer was: simple watcher

This stood out as really scummy. Just doesn't feel natural/genuine at all, especially the "sorry but you have lost the game :[" part.

Then they pushed/voted for Titus very early on. This fits the Titus!town theory.

Okay. So that leaves. Titus(town cause dave is town)
Aaron(who is being helpful)
And kop(who im still convinced isnt a real person)

Leaving two town open for lynching. The only scum on the list (Aaron) they provide a positive point for.

VOTE: Aaronfrost



Okay done with my little parade. Continue

Later on votes for Aaron which I find a little confusing. Only explanation is bussing which held no risk. Kop/Pine was almost certainly going to be lynched and no one else was voting for Aaron, so I think the vote is harmless bussing.

good than i dont have to strike you down today to negate a possible instaloss

(This is regarding voting for me). This doesn't make any sense with 13 people alive. It's just fabricated reasoning.

But for some reason i suspect hes town. Idk why

Why did you?

[AaronFrost]

Bob votes for Titus and scum!Aaron and Hop follow, seeing an easy route to victory.

I did jump the gun on that Titus vote I'll admit but that quickhammer yesterday was bad.

I see what you mean about Hopkirk's vote though (or intent to vote?). It implies that he's going to vote Titus regardless of Garmr's result.

[texcat]

I'm still here. I'd like to hear Garmr's results from last night. And I wonder who Rick protected.

[Hopkirk]

@Hectic: you missed me not actually townreading Tex. You also forgot to say that Aaron was bad because I townread him while using the same logic to scumread Tex.

Bob votes for Titus and scum!Aaron and Hop follow, seeing an easy route to victory.

I did jump the gun on that Titus vote I'll admit but that quickhammer yesterday was bad.

I see what you mean about Hopkirk's vote though (or intent to vote?). It implies that he's going to vote Titus regardless of Garmr's result.

That wasn't implied, it was exactly what I said. I was going to vote Titus as soon as Garmr claimed. I couldn't and still can't think of a result Garmr could give that'd make me think Titus is town.

If he corroborates her claim I'll think about things rather than insta vote, but that'd be to think about Garmr.

[Hopkirk]

I love how Hectic seems to have forgotten that he wasn't townreading Rick but then forgets that during the last page where he doesn't mention Rick at all.

[Carcalilly]

Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Titus, HopkirkGarmr AaronFrost, texcat.

since we could 5 scum in there. That leaves 2 townies to avoid

Billy and carc who you leaning towards being the two we shouldnt lynch.

Eevee and Hopkirk, but just for today.

[Carcalilly]

Aaron calm down, Hectic might be right about LyLo

[Hopkirk]

@Garmr: did you ever Voyeur Rick to see if he got roleblocked, if not why?

ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.

Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.

Please prove you've actually done this and aren't pretending to have read her meta.

UNVOTE:

If Titus is town here, then I can see why she would use her 1-shot ability if she feels like she's on the hot seat today. Of course if Garmr got a result then we know she's lying but I'll withhold my vote until I hear from Garmr.

Are you saying you would you townread Titus more if Garmr substantiated it?

[Hopkirk]

Hectic framing my flip on him as unnatural pretty much has to make him scum.

He knows I reevaluate games a lot. We recently had an (offsite) hydra where he could clearly see my reads flip frequently (tunneling turn to strongest townreads, strong townread to scumread). He shouldn't be surprised whatsoever that I moved him back to a scumpool when there was 7-8 non conf town.

[Hopkirk]

Tex makes sense to scumflip after Hectic. He's putting her in a position where he scumreads her, but only through association, so he would never lynch her before me.
Also he never really has anything to say about her before today aside from some limp questioning and a little defense.

-Hop

[Hopkirk]

@Cracalilly: can you look at Hectic/Garmr lynches sometime? I won't have time to read in depth for about a month.

[AaronFrost]

If Titus is town here, then I can see why she would use her 1-shot ability if she feels like she's on the hot seat today. Of course if Garmr got a result then we know she's lying but I'll withhold my vote until I hear from Garmr.

Are you saying you would you townread Titus more if Garmr substantiated it?[/quote]
I'll clarify this once I hear Garmr's result.

[AaronFrost]

UNVOTE:

If Titus is town here, then I can see why she would use her 1-shot ability if she feels like she's on the hot seat today. Of course if Garmr got a result then we know she's lying but I'll withhold my vote until I hear from Garmr.

Are you saying you would you townread Titus more if Garmr substantiated it?

I'll clarify this once I hear Garmr's result.

Fucked up the quotes in my last post.

[bob3141]

I'm still here. I'd like to hear Garmr's results from last night. And I wonder who Rick protected.

yep garmr needs to claim

[Hectic]

I love how Hectic seems to have forgotten that he wasn't townreading Rick but then forgets that during the last page where he doesn't mention Rick at all.

No? I townread Rick because someone explained to me that his doctor claim made too much sense because of all the macho roles.

[Hectic]

Hectic framing my flip on him as unnatural pretty much has to make him scum.

He knows I reevaluate games a lot. We recently had an (offsite) hydra where he could clearly see my reads flip frequently (tunneling turn to strongest townreads, strong townread to scumread). He shouldn't be surprised whatsoever that I moved him back to a scumpool when there was 7-8 non conf town.

Your flip on me is unnatural. Do I really have to bring up R again, and how you ignoring makes you close to confirmed scum in my perspective?
I said your flip on me was unnatural plenty of times yesterday, and you didn't have this extreme reaction to it then.

Just gonna write Hop off as scum from here.

[Hectic]

Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Titus, HopkirkGarmr AaronFrost, texcat.

since we could 5 scum in there. That leaves 2 townies to avoid

Billy and carc who you leaning towards being the two we shouldnt lynch.

Eevee and Hopkirk, but just for today.

Oh no

[Hectic]

I'm thinking 4 of (Eevee, Titus, Garmr, Hectic, Kop) as scumteam.

What're your reads on Rick and Texcat?

@Pine: Eevee, Titus, and yourself are what most seem to want to lynch today.

Town doctor and more likely town.

My current plan is still lynch Eevee/Titus/kopine and see what happens next.

-hop

This is where Hop expresses Tex as town.

Gonna be real annoyed if you're actually town here, Hop.

[Hectic]

The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
Has Rick's doc been confirmed or is everyone just believing him?

No counter claims various macho/ascetic roles makes sense for him to be doctor.

Ah, that makes sense.

This is where I realised Rick is probably town for the reasons above.
Try again, Hop.