Shouldn't the conf!towns be the ones to lead mass claim?In post 5071, Titus wrote:My power is gone once I use it. If I'm unknown, scum might change how they act and perceive like I am a threat. That can protect the more vocal town.In post 5067, Hectic wrote:ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.
Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.
Second, the mass claim was poorly constructed. There's an ideal procedure and this wasn't it.I didn't have the time to lead it.
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Yes, finally! I was wondering if they were going to let you post that info.In post 5069, Hectic wrote:Btw, Aaron, they finally let me post some of the classified info on your wiki: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=AaronFrost-
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No. Leading mass claim is about optimal strategy. The optimal massclaim order depends on suspected alignments. Given how widely suspected I was, massclaim should have never started when I was limited access.In post 5075, AaronFrost wrote:
Shouldn't the conf!towns be the ones to lead mass claim?In post 5071, Titus wrote:
My power is gone once I use it. If I'm unknown, scum might change how they act and perceive like I am a threat. That can protect the more vocal town.In post 5067, Hectic wrote:ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.
Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.
Second, the mass claim was poorly constructed. There's an ideal procedure and this wasn't it.I didn't have the time to lead it.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Yuck.In post 5072, AaronFrost wrote:UNVOTE:
If Titus is town here, then I can see why she would use her 1-shot ability if she feels like she's on the hot seat today. Of course if Garmr got a result then we know she's lying but I'll withhold my vote until I hear from Garmr.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 5048, AaronFrost wrote:Seems like scum is gonna keep killing off the conf!town players. I'm pretty sure Titus flips scum no matter what but I would like a claim from her.
VOTE: Titus
These are posts which make me think Titus are town.In post 5050, Hopkirk wrote:I'm voting Titus as soon as Garmr gives his result.
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These are just a few reasons.In post 5070, EeveeLution Army wrote:
isnt this by strongest to weakest reasoning, tex, aaron, hopkirk, eevee, garmr?In post 5062, Hectic wrote:The wiki gods just spoke to me.
Hopkirk is scum pushing a final mislynch for the win.
Aaron is scum for his forced HecticVHopkirk SvS theories.
Eevee is scum because all the conftown seem to think so.
Texcat is scum. Hop townreads her and not enough people have attacked her from this group.
Garmr is scum by PoE.
There's other stuff like:
-Hop's weird interactions with me. At first pocketing me with his towntell thing, and then completely flipping his read in an unnatural way.
-Hop's meta defence of Aaron when I was first suspicious of him.
-Hop townreads Texcat when it doesn't make sense to based on how few town are left from the non-confirmed pool.
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I'm really bad at ISOing people I don't have previous meta with. Overall, not a lot of scumhunting and very short posts but I have no idea if that's alignment-indicative. Too lazy to go through their other games at the moment.
This stood out as really scummy. Just doesn't feel natural/genuine at all, especially the "sorry but you have lost the game :[" part.In post 1869, EeveeLution Army wrote:aww so sad. but wrong answer VOTE: elements
sorry but you have lost the game :[
the correct answer was: simple watcher
Then they pushed/voted for Titus very early on. This fits the Titus!town theory.
Leaving two town open for lynching. The only scum on the list (Aaron) they provide a positive point for.In post 4180, EeveeLution Army wrote:Okay. So that leaves. Titus(town cause dave is town)
Aaron(who is being helpful)
And kop(who im still convinced isnt a real person)
Later on votes for Aaron which I find a little confusing. Only explanation is bussing which held no risk. Kop/Pine was almost certainly going to be lynched and no one else was voting for Aaron, so I think the vote is harmless bussing.
(This is regarding voting for me). This doesn't make any sense with 13 people alive. It's just fabricated reasoning.In post 4863, EeveeLution Army wrote:good than i dont have to strike you down today to negate a possible instaloss
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I did jump the gun on that Titus vote I'll admit but that quickhammer yesterday was bad.In post 5079, Hectic wrote:Bob votes for Titus and scum!Aaron and Hop follow, seeing an easy route to victory.
I see what you mean about Hopkirk's vote though (or intent to vote?). It implies that he's going to vote Titus regardless of Garmr's result.-
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@Hectic: you missed me not actually townreading Tex. You also forgot to say that Aaron was bad because I townread him while using the same logic to scumread Tex.
That wasn't implied, it was exactly what I said. I was going to vote Titus as soon as Garmr claimed. I couldn't and still can't think of a result Garmr could give that'd make me think Titus is town.In post 5082, AaronFrost wrote:
I did jump the gun on that Titus vote I'll admit but that quickhammer yesterday was bad.In post 5079, Hectic wrote:Bob votes for Titus and scum!Aaron and Hop follow, seeing an easy route to victory.
I see what you mean about Hopkirk's vote though (or intent to vote?). It implies that he's going to vote Titus regardless of Garmr's result.
If he corroborates her claim I'll think about things rather than insta vote, but that'd be to think about Garmr.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Eevee and Hopkirk, but just for today.In post 5047, bob3141 wrote:Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Titus, HopkirkGarmr AaronFrost, texcat.
since we could 5 scum in there. That leaves 2 townies to avoid
Billy and carc who you leaning towards being the two we shouldnt lynch."don't be carcasilly" -RadiantCowbells-
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@Garmr: did you ever Voyeur Rick to see if he got roleblocked, if not why?
Please prove you've actually done this and aren't pretending to have read her meta.In post 5067, Hectic wrote:ISOed Titus and had a look at some of her other recent games and the play is very similar throughout them. The short posts and lack of analysis isn't an alignment-indicative thing. She's been promising a VCA for a while which never came, but I'm willing to give her the BoD on that based on other irl things.
Titus, why were you so against claiming your role yesterday? Why is a one-shot roleblocker something you particularly wanted to keep hidden?
Right now, I'm leaning towards lynching Eevee.
Are you saying you would you townread Titus more if Garmr substantiated it?In post 5072, AaronFrost wrote:UNVOTE:
If Titus is town here, then I can see why she would use her 1-shot ability if she feels like she's on the hot seat today. Of course if Garmr got a result then we know she's lying but I'll withhold my vote until I hear from Garmr.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Hectic framing my flip on him as unnatural pretty much has to make him scum.
He knows I reevaluate games a lot. We recently had an (offsite) hydra where he could clearly see my reads flip frequently (tunneling turn to strongest townreads, strong townread to scumread). He shouldn't be surprised whatsoever that I moved him back to a scumpool when there was 7-8 non conf town.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Tex makes sense to scumflip after Hectic. He's putting her in a position where he scumreads her, but only through association, so he would never lynch her before me.
Also he never really has anything to say about her before today aside from some limp questioning and a little defense.
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Are you saying you would you townread Titus more if Garmr substantiated it?[/quote]In post 5088, Hopkirk wrote:If Titus is town here, then I can see why she would use her 1-shot ability if she feels like she's on the hot seat today. Of course if Garmr got a result then we know she's lying but I'll withhold my vote until I hear from Garmr.
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I'll clarify this once I hear Garmr's result.In post 5088, Hopkirk wrote:
Are you saying you would you townread Titus more if Garmr substantiated it?In post 5072, AaronFrost wrote: UNVOTE:
If Titus is town here, then I can see why she would use her 1-shot ability if she feels like she's on the hot seat today. Of course if Garmr got a result then we know she's lying but I'll withhold my vote until I hear from Garmr.
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In post 5083, texcat wrote:I'm still here. I'd like to hear Garmr's results from last night. And I wonder who Rick protected.
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No? I townread Rick because someone explained to me that his doctor claim made too much sense because of all the macho roles.In post 5085, Hopkirk wrote:I love how Hectic seems to have forgotten that he wasn't townreading Rick but then forgets that during the last page where he doesn't mention Rick at all.-
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Your flip on me is unnatural. Do I really have to bring up R again, and how you ignoring makes you close to confirmed scum in my perspective?In post 5089, Hopkirk wrote:Hectic framing my flip on him as unnatural pretty much has to make him scum.
He knows I reevaluate games a lot. We recently had an (offsite) hydra where he could clearly see my reads flip frequently (tunneling turn to strongest townreads, strong townread to scumread). He shouldn't be surprised whatsoever that I moved him back to a scumpool when there was 7-8 non conf town.
I said your flip on me was unnatural plenty of times yesterday, and you didn't have this extreme reaction to it then.
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Oh noIn post 5086, Carcalilly wrote:
Eevee and Hopkirk, but just for today.In post 5047, bob3141 wrote:Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Titus, HopkirkGarmr AaronFrost, texcat.
since we could 5 scum in there. That leaves 2 townies to avoid
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This is where Hop expresses Tex as town.In post 4841, Hopkirk wrote:
Town doctor and more likely town.In post 4839, Hectic wrote:
What're your reads on Rick and Texcat?In post 4781, Hopkirk wrote:I'm thinking 4 of (Eevee, Titus, Garmr, Hectic, Kop) as scumteam.
@Pine: Eevee, Titus, and yourself are what most seem to want to lynch today.
My current plan is still lynch Eevee/Titus/kopine and see what happens next.
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This is where I realised Rick is probably town for the reasons above.In post 5008, Hectic wrote:
Ah, that makes sense.In post 5006, Garmr wrote:
No counter claims various macho/ascetic roles makes sense for him to be doctor.In post 5004, Hectic wrote:The more I think about it, the less it makes sense from either alignment. Dumb nonsensical plays like that are usually town. I'd out him ahead of Pine/Titus/Hop actually.
Has Rick's doc been confirmed or is everyone just believing him?
Try again, Hop.
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