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[PMysterious]

Well, what a quick confirmation. We didn't even start.

VOTE: Gamma Hey, what's up?

[PMysterious]

Do I know you PMysterious?

Maybe.

[PMysterious]

always.
town.

Are you sure about this claim (even though others say you have been scum before)?

[PMysterious]

You never know Four, sometimes you want to test the waters a bit, and besides, it's only the first few moments of the game, so anything to help understand a player's mindset.

As for pisskop, I'm certain I am town myself, but I won't be a hypocrite and say that I have never been scum in the past.

[PMysterious]

Yes, of course I take my word seriously, pisskop. I'm a rather serious guy when it counts.

As for my name. Let's see, I started out with Mysterio, as in Rey Mysterio (from pro wrestling), but then I replaced Rey with P (the first letter of my first and last name), and instead of Mysterio, I added in a "us". So, that's how I got PMysterious. Had that nickname for almost 8 years now, to be perfectly honest.

[PMysterious]

I don't like either pmyst's or gamma's reaction to lapsa being confirmed town. Pmyst commenting on it being "quick" feels like he wasn't happy about it. Gamma is the exact opposite, seeming to exaggarate his happiness. It's weird how both initially took pisskop's "always town" comment so seriously too. Both players have made a post I liked though (26 and 33).

I will be perfectly honest when I say this. The reason I came off as "not happy" is because I was more so surprised, than anything. I never actually played a game with an Innocent Child involved, so that's where my reaction comes in. But hey, at least no one had to use a power role to find out that Lapsa is innocent, and that's perfectly fine with me.

[PMysterious]

Reading through, and oh my goodness, Gamma really seems scummy this game.

I think it's the exclamation point.

Really an exclamation point makes you scumread me? How would you prefer I wrote it? The exclamation point adds a specific tone I was aiming for.

A case of overreaction. This post felt really unnecessary, as most of us likely know what you were trying to get across to begin with. Maybe it just felt "a little forced". More on that after the next quote.

Lame entrance. Feels a bit forced.
VOTE: platinum

This was kinda just more so rude than anything. A post just saying hello is just a post saying hello. I know this is Mafia and all, but this early in the game, we barely know each other. It's almost as if you're just looking for a reason to try and lynch someone to save your behind for a night.

I don't like either pmyst's or gamma's reaction to lapsa being confirmed town. Pmyst commenting on it being "quick" feels like he wasn't happy about it. Gamma is the exact opposite, seeming to exaggarate his happiness. It's weird how both initially took pisskop's "always town" comment so seriously too. Both players have made a post I liked though (26 and 33).

Fourtrouble, why should we lynch transcend?

And why does pmyst feel town?

(I see you retracted that)

Not a fan of pisskop buddying to ABR.

Tchill, why the naked vote on transcend?

Whymafia is coming off nervous, but also noticed a couple of the same things I did.

Gamma, what is forced about saying hi?

Theta, care to elaborate on your "reasons"?

Texcat, why don't you seem happy with a confirmed town?

Vote Gamma

Why are you asking me what's forced about it? Fifth Amendment bitch!
I was happy to start what seemed like an exciting game.

Well, this seems like another case of an overreaction. Plus, pleading Fifth Amendment in a game of Mafia really doesn't work.

I'm no expert at Mafia, but overreacting to people voting you or asking you questions of this type really does not scream town at all. That, and the completely jerkish move against someone who just wanted to say "hi" really doesn't help favors.

My vote against you was originally an RV, but now I'm sticking to my guns and saying that you are most definitely scum. My vote on you stays, unless you can convince me otherwise. So, please do tell, what reason do you have on a simple "hi" being so forced?

[PMysterious]

Gamma still scum but luckily there's more than one scum and i can use my vote as many times fit.

There are plenty of reasons I could see this being.

1. A hint toward a power role.
2. A doubt in the mind about Gamma actually being scum.
3. Scumbuddying.
4. Just to get off the wagon.

All of these reasons really beg questions. So, Trans, I must ask. What is the real reason why you are not voting for Gamma, despite him being scum to you?

[PMysterious]

Really like this post
Reasoning that I could follow and understand. It also makes sense to me

PMysterious's timing sucks on that one

I was slow to the party, I get it. However, I don't want Gamma to get away (or in this case, lynched) without explaining his reasons. While Gamma is V/LA at the moment, that doesn't mean I can't ask questions that everyone can just quote to make sure Gamma sees them when he comes back.

[PMysterious]

Reading through, and oh my goodness, Gamma really seems scummy this game.

I think it's the exclamation point.

Really an exclamation point makes you scumread me? How would you prefer I wrote it? The exclamation point adds a specific tone I was aiming for.

A case of overreaction. This post felt really unnecessary, as most of us likely know what you were trying to get across to begin with. Maybe it just felt "a little forced". More on that after the next quote.

Lame entrance. Feels a bit forced.
VOTE: platinum

This was kinda just more so rude than anything. A post just saying hello is just a post saying hello. I know this is Mafia and all, but this early in the game, we barely know each other. It's almost as if you're just looking for a reason to try and lynch someone to save your behind for a night.

I don't like either pmyst's or gamma's reaction to lapsa being confirmed town. Pmyst commenting on it being "quick" feels like he wasn't happy about it. Gamma is the exact opposite, seeming to exaggarate his happiness. It's weird how both initially took pisskop's "always town" comment so seriously too. Both players have made a post I liked though (26 and 33).

Fourtrouble, why should we lynch transcend?

And why does pmyst feel town?

(I see you retracted that)

Not a fan of pisskop buddying to ABR.

Tchill, why the naked vote on transcend?

Whymafia is coming off nervous, but also noticed a couple of the same things I did.

Gamma, what is forced about saying hi?

Theta, care to elaborate on your "reasons"?

Texcat, why don't you seem happy with a confirmed town?

Vote Gamma

Why are you asking me what's forced about it? Fifth Amendment bitch!
I was happy to start what seemed like an exciting game.

Well, this seems like another case of an overreaction. Plus, pleading Fifth Amendment in a game of Mafia really doesn't work.

I'm no expert at Mafia, but overreacting to people voting you or asking you questions of this type really does not scream town at all. That, and the completely jerkish move against someone who just wanted to say "hi" really doesn't help favors.

My vote against you was originally an RV, but now I'm sticking to my guns and saying that you are most definitely scum. My vote on you stays, unless you can convince me otherwise. So, please do tell, what reason do you have on a simple "hi" being so forced?

Transcend said this seemed like eager town but I'm surprised this didn't get more attention. Unless everyone just agreed with transcend?

Okay, maybe I did come off as eager, but hey, at least Scum won't have the advantage of the RV stage anymore, and that's what counts in the end. Less fluff, more communication of actual things that matter.

It seems that the gamma wagon has a few more votes than the transcend wagon. Unless someone changes my mind about the post I mentioned earlier from pmysterious...

VOTE: pmysterious

To put it in perspective, if someone was saying what Gamma said in those 3 posts and you saw them as overreactions, wouldn't you find it a little scummy yourself? The wagon took off faster than anticipated, but I put something to the forefront that I noticed, and now here we are discussing about it, giving opinions.

[PMysterious]

Pmysterious just seems like they were trying too hard to read into stuff. What's so scummy about gamma or transcendence again? Ik their wagons were built up but I didn't see any good reasoning behind either one other. I thought they were both a product of rvs.

Let's see, the reason Gamma is being seen as scummy is because of his constant overreactions, to the point to where he seems like he has something to hide, maybe the fact that he is scum. Don't believe me on that? Then I suggest that maybe you just don't plead for the Fifth Amendment in a Mafia game (or for those not in America, the right to remain silent).

[PMysterious]

I was looking through everything whilst the whole debate was going on, and I don't see Lore as being scum. I'll look through again to find out a few more things, but I'm staying with Gamma as my vote of choice for the time being.

[PMysterious]

and any sensible person would know that was a joke

i gave my reads on the other 19 slots

to me it read as continued trolling like youve done from post one.

idk i dont think your jokes are very funny, mostly dumb

taking things too seriously is a legitimate scum tell
lelelelelelelelelelelelelelelel

It's also why I scumread PMysterious!

Yeah, about that Gamma. You weren't scum reading me until after I voted for you, and you were still on the overreactive side of things. In fact, this also feels overreactive, as if you're trying to get me off of your back, or trying to cast the blame onto me. It won't work as long as you continue to fluff, or act like an overreacting flopping fish (pun intended).

[PMysterious]

I was looking through everything whilst the whole debate was going on, and I don't see Lore as being scum. I'll look through again to find out a few more things, but I'm staying with Gamma as my vote of choice for the time being.

What is your opinion on my reaction to my wagon and my points on you?

I know I'm late with this Gamma, but here are my answers to your questions.

1. Your reaction to the wagon was interesting to say the least. I never knew anyone who would use the Fifth Amendment as an excuse (sarcastic or not). When the numbers racked up, you were like "holy crap, this is getting way too close". It's usually at this point, where some people break down, but you didn't. It was interesting, but at the same time, intriguing.

2. The points you had on me, while valid in some areas, it felt lackluster. The vote felt a little out of the blue, and the whole scumread was a bit bizarre to me too, but other than that, everything you said was pretty legitimate.

Now, back to reading again.

[PMysterious]

@everyone

do a quick iso through town Transcend on NY196

single #49 shows more involvement than all of his posts here combined

this is scum Transcend - bold and shallow

I can definitely see the change. More than just one liners (which I notice a lot in Trans ISO here). Although, sometimes, it's a lot harder to get involved than usual. I go through that trouble myself.

[PMysterious]

muttonchopmagic=town
not entirely sure whether the posting restriction would be town or not
or whether that is a posting restriction or

just how you play

but i do actually like a lot of your posts and either way the rhyming is fun and kind of refreshing to see in this game

I believe it is the case of what I put in bold. He likely does this in other games as well, as it just seems too natural to just be a post restriction. Either way, I agree with this read a lot myself.

[PMysterious]

The Pyramid

pharaoh:

egg

viziers:

fourT, pisskop, texcat

priests:

ginngie, mutton, lexa

scribes:

massive, gamma

craftsmen:

whyMafia, lore, tchill, crush

slaves:

penguin, albert

garbage:

pmysterious, platinum, vifam, theta, transcend

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Disclaimer:

this (kinda) reveals my reads

more importantly:

provides very specific structure how I believe town should operate

take it for what it is -

Lapsa's trust pyramid

.
keep it detached from game flow and power roles

it should be most useful for town coordination

when in doubt - just sheep the sum of my townreads and you won't ruin the game

players are sorted by a mixture of trust and subjectively weighted skill level (+ some other considerations)

I trust only 2 highest tiers in complete cooperation to ever modify it.
lower ranking players should sheep higher ranking players unless that hinders proactive scumhunting.
lower ranking players should obey higher ranking players when asked to do so

I believe that "craftsmen" are most susceptible for scum manipulations and might end up in lylo

P.s. watch out for slave revolts

Of all the things I expected to see in this game, a pyramid was the last thing I expected. Although, I must ask, what exactly does it take to be in the Garbage area of the tier, anyway? Wouldn't you rather place those guys in other categories, since it almost means nothing?

[PMysterious]

Gamma
It's a lot of shit posting to read. Gamma has a habit of just voting / gaining a scum read on someone that scum reads him.
I normally read Gamma wrong but I don't read him as scum. I don't see anything I don't like though.
I'm not sure why he got voted up quickly though.

I voted for him via RV, but I did read some things that I probably misinterpreted, and he did vote someone that just wanted to say "hello". Habits like those are terrible in any game of Mafia, because it can be seen as scummy and defensive. I would know this, because I was like that before as well (don't believe me, check out my past games from 2012, when I was a noob).

[PMysterious]

UNVOTE: Gamma

Looking back, I probably took the whole thing a bit too seriously, considering that this is only the first day. I'll give out reads later.

[PMysterious]

UNVOTE: Gamma

Looking back, I probably took the whole thing a bit too seriously, considering that this is only the first day. I'll give out reads later.

Why should we not push a lynch on you?

I don't have the best reasons to give out for this type of question without making it seem like I'm being super defensive.

The question shouldn't just be a "why not", but more so a "why" and "why not".

To answer why you should push a lynch on me, I'm a weak guy and not exactly the most defensive, but that will also mean scum will likely jump on the wagon (and probably hammer me), making it easier to point them out.

For why you shouldn't, I am not the best player for a large playing group, but as the number decreases, I'm certain I'll get better (not just in the game, but also at understanding the players in this game).

[PMysterious]

UNVOTE: Gamma

Looking back, I probably took the whole thing a bit too seriously, considering that this is only the first day. I'll give out reads later.

Why should we not push a lynch on you?

I don't have the best reasons to give out for this type of question without making it seem like I'm being super defensive.

The question shouldn't just be a "why not", but more so a "why" and "why not".

To answer why you should push a lynch on me, I'm a weak guy and not exactly the most defensive, but that will also mean scum will likely jump on the wagon (and probably hammer me), making it easier to point them out.

For why you shouldn't, I am not the best player for a large playing group, but as the number decreases, I'm certain I'll get better (not just in the game, but also at understanding the players in this game).

I'm not interested in why we should lynch you. Regardless, there's no right answer there.
So you developed reads better over time? If you had to make a shot today on someone, kill them out right,. Who and why?
Also what is your understanding to what has happened in the game to date?

My developed reads get better over time, when I have more of a chance to look at things that are mentioned. One thing might slip through the cracks.

If I had to take a shot against someone, I'd probably go with either Trans or Gamma. Gamma for the fluff and very defensive way of thinking, and Trans falls into that same category, especially with the "trust me" post.

My understanding to what has happened in this game is kinda hard to grasp, especially with so many posts (most of which I'm noticing contain some form of fluff). I'm not one for chaos, but this game has definitely started with so much activity (which is to be expected). This is why I am doing an ISO check on everyone in the game for my reads.

[PMysterious]

My understanding to what has happened in this game is kinda hard to grasp, especially with so many posts (most of which I'm noticing contain some form of fluff). I'm not one for chaos, but this game has definitely started with so much activity (which is to be expected). This is why I am doing an ISO check on everyone in the game for my reads.

I understand that but as of now, what has happened in the game to your understanding?
This can include, claims, bad pushes, good pushes, wagons etc.

I just want to know what level you have been paying attention.

Claims, there haven't been many Power Role claims in this game, up to this point. Bad pushes, I wasn't wanting the whole Gamma thing to escalate just like that, as it was only the first two days of the game, so there might have been some scum on that wagon, despite me wanting good intentions.

The push on Trans definitely makes sense, and there definitely is a big change from a recently finished game to this game when it comes to his style.

Now, Lapsa being confirmed town was fine, but those that didn't see that had a legitimate reason to think that Lapsa was scum, based on how he was acting throughout the game, as there is so much fluff coming from Lapsa.

Now, the push on Lore is one that baffles me. Ever since really being near the top of the vote count, he has barely posted, despite being active for the first 3 days of the game. The fact he hasn't said anything gives me reasons to believe he is scum. Although, he has more than made up for it with a lot of words being put into each post since.

I'm not always on MafiaScum, but when I am, I try to look back as far as I can, to find something that just doesn't add up. If I missed something, then it got lost in the shuffle, and I'm doing ISO checks on everyone to find those things.

[PMysterious]

Now, Lapsa being confirmed town was fine, but those that didn't see that had a legitimate reason to think that Lapsa was scum, based on how he was acting throughout the game, as there is so much fluff coming from Lapsa.

Do you think not seeing Lapsa as IC is AI? If so what side?

Now, the push on Lore is one that baffles me. Ever since really being near the top of the vote count, he has barely posted, despite being active for the first 3 days of the game. The fact he hasn't said anything gives me reasons to believe he is scum. Although, he has more than made up for it with a lot of words being put into each post since.

Why does it baffle you though? You say that it indicates more scum than not?
It does however, make me laugh that someone points out a valid reason while the people pushing for the lynch don't give any.
As you said yourselve, you can't always be on MS, why do you expect others to maintain regular posting to prevent being read (or considered) as scum for it?

If you could elaborate on AI, then that would be most excellent (I'm not in with all of the terms yet). However, if Lapsa was not the Innocent Child, I would probably say that he is scum.


As for the whole "baffling" thing, I'm saying that, because it's just odd to me. He really didn't start losing out on activity until after the Vote Count showed him high up on the poll. I can understand not being active if you aren't being pressured, but if you are, then it is best to stick around.

[PMysterious]

If you could elaborate on AI, then that would be most excellent (I'm not in with all of the terms yet). However, if Lapsa was not the Innocent Child, I would probably say that he is scum.

My apologies. I mean align indicated. The people who didn't notice that Lapsa was IC and voted, do you think it's more likely that scum didn't notice the IC and voted, town didn't notice and voted or it's too hard to say?
Keeping in mind we have no knowledge of scum having day talk right now.

I think it would be a mixture of both. Not everyone came into the game at the very start, so anyone could have missed the confirmation of Lapsa being Town, and it is something I understand a lot. There's really nothing about the people voting Lapsa that seems scummy, unless they just jumped on the wagon for the sake of a wagon (will look back and try to find people who do that).


Also, Lore, welcome back.

[PMysterious]

Okay, as promised, here are the reads.

pisskop- Null/Town. There is definitely communication, but I'm still seeing a bit of fluff in the posts.

Transcend- Null. I haven't played with Trans, but there very well could be a big difference in this style compared to his previous style (from the game that was linked).

MuttonChopMagic- Town. The rhyming helps calm down nerves this game has, through a nice flow. It's a nice change of pace, which is something Scum really wouldn't do.

Ginngie- Town. Definitely communication being shown through the posts made, and a lot of posts. Definitely a guy who wants to find Scum, and not Scum himself.

PenguinPower- Null. Lurking and full of fluff (very coincidental). This also means there is barely anything that can be used against this Penguin. Definitely not enough fire "power" to see him as scum, or town.

Lore- Null. Ever since the vote count was updated with him near the top, she hasn't said anything, despite being active for 3 days straight. However, she's back now, so I hope to see a lot more of Town out of her than anything.

massive- Null. Has some really strong posts, but follows it up with some posts containing fluff, or useless things.

WhyMafia- Null/Town. He has a lot of posts, but they are relatively short and don't really contribute that much, other than a few small questions here and there. I think it's more of scumhunting than anything.

Gamma Emerald- Null/Scum (I'm saying this because of what was said earlier.)

Tchill13- Null/Town. I see the massive amount of posts, and I understand his point of view rather clearly.

Theta Alpine- Being replaced, so a read here won't help any.

texcat- Null. I can't get a good read out of someone who doesn't post much.

Albert B. Rampage- Null/Scum. Very lurky, and a lot of what is said is fluff.

FourTrouble- Town. A lot of content to read through, and most of his posts had quality, or legitimate reasoning.

Lapsa- Confirmed town, but if this was a Bastard game, I would honestly beg to differ.

platinum- Being replaced, so a read here won't really help.

Egg- Null. Started out strong, but lately started showing less and less signs of activity (and a lot less quality).

Crush- Town. Like me in a lot of ways. I love that he didn't vote for Gamma despite seeing him as Scum, but rather just ask a few questions before trying to cast the vote. That is definitely something Scum would not do in the slightest. Just wish he would post more when he can (which is a fault I have too).

Vedith- Town. Very interactive with the people, and shows a lot of passion in my opinion.

Lexa- Null/Scum. Posts at times, but is mostly fluff. The vote on me from Lexa felt a bit awkward, without any real reason behind it, other than just to wagon. Actually, there is a lot of vote hopping, just moving to the next best thing, just for the sake of a wagon.

Now, I'm going to refrain from voting, but if I were to vote, I'd say anyone on my scum reads is a strong pick for my vote.

[PMysterious]

Both of those choices are bad
Also what makes you think I have a defensive way of thinking

@PMyst

As a defensive player myself when it comes to big votes, when you stated Fifth Amendment, I started getting the feeling that you were rather defensive, added on with the vote against me just because I "felt forced". That's my reason.

[PMysterious]

PMyst

, Your reads look to be based on how much non-fluff someone has posted. Is that right? And even though Theta and Platinum are to be replaced, I think your read on them is still relevant and could be helpful. (Or at least your read on Theta.) Remember, that if Theta is scum, that her replacement will still be scum.

The reason I didn't give reads on those being replaced, is because this is only Day 1, and we have nothing to support the claim of either of them being Town or Scum. I can't give a read on a future player that hasn't posted or been recognized yet.

And yes, my reads are based on lack of fluff, because the more fluff is posted, the less information can actually be given across without it being lost.

[PMysterious]

In response what do you think of my realization that the Fifth Amendment comment was misdirected?

I think the realization shows that you made a mistake, and you're willing to learn from it. It's why I don't have you as definitive scum, but more so null.

[PMysterious]

You love that he didn't vote Gamma despite reading him as scum? What's town about that?

I see that as Town, because that's not a vote on the wagon that could have lead to an early lynch. Had he voted, it could have lead to an early lynch, and not much discussion, which is something Scum want, and not Town.

[PMysterious]

I did a quick ISO on Platinum and Theta, and here's what I got.

Theta was definitely town, and willing to contribute whenever he can.

Platinum, on the other hand, posted way too little, not just in the number of posts, but in the quality of the posts. That, is a major problem, and it's kinda nice that he's being replaced, because I could get more than a null reading on him.

[PMysterious]

Definitely may not be the best word, but contribution is key in a game of Mafia, and Theta showed a lot of that. Had he stayed, I think he'd be really good at keeping contributions up.

[PMysterious]

Crush- Town. Like me in a lot of ways. I love that he didn't vote for Gamma despite seeing him as Scum, but rather just ask a few questions before trying to cast the vote.

That is definitely something Scum would not do in the slightest.

Just wish he would post more when he can (which is a fault I have too).

PM, why'd you say scum wouldn't ask someone questions before voting them? How do you know that?

I say that, because scum would usually vote before asking the questions (and don't call me out on that, as my vote was originally an RV), but didn't even vote Gamma. Scum want quick lynches, and thus, less activity during the day. It's common knowledge at this point.

[PMysterious]

Scum don't want quick lynches. What they want is lynches on town. So if a wagon's building on scum, they'd want that wagon building as slowly as possible. Your analysis assumes Gamma's town, the guy you were voting at the time and who you're still calling null/scum. Why'd you change your opinion on Gamma?

Even if it was against their own, then ending the day early would be considered a safe option to prevent discussion. Mafia is a team game, and if a member has to sacrifice him/herself, then it would make sense to do that before the Town gets too far ahead with investigations. On the same side, I changed my stance on Gamma from being definitive Scum to null/scum, so it's me saying that I might be wrong with him being scum, but I still get a scum vibe from him.

Looking through these posts suggesting a wagon against me, in my defense, I have not played in a while, so a lot of what I have said either comes from my experiences back in 2012, or based on knowledge which I'd believe everyone would know about.

It also doesn't help that I'm not the best at portraying words, so what I may say (or type in this case) may not be what would be considered town, and lean more towards the scum side of things. By all means, if I say something that doesn't come off as correct, let me know now, before it gets to a situation beyond my control. I wish to improve throughout this game, and I can't really do that if I'm getting lynched just for something I probably didn't say correctly.

[PMysterious]

You love that he didn't vote Gamma despite reading him as scum? What's town about that?

I see that as Town, because that's not a vote on the wagon that could have lead to an early lynch. Had he voted, it could have lead to an early lynch, and not much discussion, which is something Scum want, and not Town.

Um if you read me as scum that would seem scummy since scum like to FOS their buddies while voting elsewhere.

Address this please PMysterious.

I don't speak from a veteran's perspective, but more so my perspective as a player.

[PMysterious]

So, it seems to be between Trans and Lore at this moment in time. I'll look into both of them and determine my stance on this issue.

Mod: Please prod me. I was absent for more than 2 days, and I plead guilty of the charge.

How about just a little poke? I'm pretty lenient with it, especially if I feel like the person will come back. I was going to prod when I got to my computer, but here you are. If you beat me to it, you're safe.

[PMysterious]

vote trans and i give you free tr when he flip scum
u r now null
SHEEP MEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I AM THE LAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really do not trust this, whatsoever. This not only seems like a desperation play, but also rather... unconvincing. What makes you think Trans is scum, anyway?

[PMysterious]

VOTE: Judge Joseph Dredd
Wagon this for true justice

lol
good luck with that one
i claim one time lynchee
if I get lynched once I can no longer post in this thread

So... are you going to give actual meaningful discussion, or are you just going to troll us?

[PMysterious]

Pmysterious you haven't voted?

I'd be voting late, and I don't really have much against either of them right now. I'm not going to vote someone, just for the sake of being on a wagon. I will always have my reasons for my votes, and this is a time where voting for no reason, doesn't seem like the correct thing for me to do.

[PMysterious]

From your perspective that's fair enough. Do you have any scum leans? Or town leans?

I've been getting some scum vibes from Gamma, but only time will tell as the game progresses. Town wise, I'm not entirely sure as of yet. A lot of people on the Trans wagon or the Lore wagon don't really give much justification for it (except the ones who started said wagons), with that one troll included.

[PMysterious]

Pmyst, why are you worried about seeming "super defensive" (Post 1586)? And why didn't you list being town as a reason not to be lynched? Also, in 1594 you said there hadn't been "many" power role claims. I wasn't aware of any at all unless lapsa as IC counts. Did I miss something? Some questions on your reads list:
- Do you honestly believe mutton would drop the rhyming as scum? This is very weird to me
- I hope you've sorted lore by now, but if not can you attempt to do so? And why did you "hope" to end up townreading lore?
- Why does activity/content/fluff factor so much into your reads when you said right before posting the reads list that you could understand inactivity while being pressured?
- Why do you think that me working 16 hour shifts without internet makes me less likely to be town?

1. I didn't list myself as being Town as a reason not to be lynched, is rather due to the cliche of it. There are so many people that don't want to be lynched, Town or not.

2. Maybe I was slightly incorrect about the Power Role claim.

3. I didn't say that Mutton would drop the rhyming as scum, but I feel like it puts a lot less stress on us, making it actually seem pretty chill (or, preh... Tchill. XD), which at a time like this, is needed more than anything.

4. Lore is a case of I hope she's town, because sometimes, activity is an issue and I get that (as a guy who goes through that phase myself).

5. Activity was a small factor, as sometimes, people could be having a bad internet connection. Content and fluff fall into the same category. The quality of any given post is very crucial, in my opinion. Fluff just becomes extra words that don't help progress the game further, or just leave everyone at a sort of standstill.

6. Okay, I want to say this regarding the whole 16 hour work shift. Be honest with me, how was I supposed to know that? We all have lives, I get it, but I didn't know you worked 16 hour work shifts, and if I skimmed over it, I'm sorry in advance.

[PMysterious]

Slingshot scumclaimed

I looked through Slingshot's entire ISO, and not once did I see a scumclaim. There might have been something that was misinterpreted as a scumclaim, but I did not see a scumcalim. If anything, the Slingshot wagon feels like it was just made out of the sake of making a wagon.

So, Gamma, Albert, if you two are reading this, I would like to see where in the ISO you noticed a "scumclaim", and quote the ENTIRE post, not just parts of it.

[PMysterious]

I was looking through and I found this.

I thought you would vote Lore, Sling?

I would.

Are you saying I should?

Well im just wondering why you're not. You said they are scummy enough to vote.

Well if I should, then I will.

VOTE: Lore
L-2 right?

So, seeing this, it makes me wonder. Is this a case of uncertainty on the assumptions, or not wanting to join the wagon out of fear of being seen as scum, whether he is town or not?

This was what started the "scumclaim" fiasco, but the way I see it, there's not much that's scummy about it, except he voted when provoked to vote by Vedith. That's the only thing I find odd, but other than that, there's no real scumclaim or big giveaway here, like Gamma and Albert are saying.

Am I saying that Slingshot is Town? Absolutely not. I'm not making any assumptions about the possibilities of him being Town or Scum at the moment, and at the time, I find him rather Null. Perhaps looking into him more on Day 2 will help determine my stance on Waffles a lot more.

[PMysterious]

This is outrageous.

What's outrageous is the fact that you seem so certain that Waffles scumclaimed, despite there being nothing saying that he is scum, outright. Sure, he voted when provoked, and that may be a little scummy, but that's not a scumclaim.

You are his scumbuddy.

What a quick assumption, with no real context given for that claim whatsoever. It's almost as if you're saying that out of desperation.

[PMysterious]

Did PM just scum claim?

It's called having an opinion. Everyone has one, and I gave my two cents.

It's like you, Gamma, and Albert are desperate to get some lynches, that you'll go through every trick in the book to try and get someone suspected for being scum. If anything, that's a lot more scummy of a tactic than a good majority of the things done in this entire game up to now.

If this seems defensive, it is because I am just baffled by the reasoning (or lack there of) for this lynch against Waffles.


It's a "scumclaim" but you were the one that provoked him to vote for Lore, and you're taking advantage of the guy, just to get that quick lynch. Gamma and Albert are following suit, and not only is the tactic just pathetic in my eyes, but also EXTREMELY scummy.

So,

Gamma

, why did you say it was a scumclaim?

Albert

, aside from "it is obvious", why are you saying that Waffles is scum?

And Vedith, why are you suddenly with them regarding the issue, and why would you shut down someone's opinion (like you did on Page 107)?

These are all legitimate questions, and I want answers to all of them. I'm positive at least one of you are scum, for pulling off such a dirty tactic just for a quick lynch, and I am determined to find out which one of you three are scum.

[PMysterious]

PM I don't know if texcat is scum trying to set you up and save her buddy waffles or what's going on, but I will be far more understanding with whoever one of you puts a vote on confirmed scum Waffles.

I don't know whether Waffles is scum or not, and I have no proof of either side, but at this rate, we have mislynches to use, so we might as well see what the outcome is.

VOTE: Waffles

[PMysterious]

and why would you shut down someone's opinion (like you did on Page 107)?

Okay, never mind, I mistook the post from Lapsa on Page 107 for yours. I was typing it all up, putting my mind into those questions, and everything I know, but I didn't have an extra tab open to see that page in particular.

[PMysterious]

platinum (aka Judge Joseph Dredd) came into the thread like a giant manbaby and whined about being replaced and outed he was scum with PMyst.

The thing is, this is actually a lie. I'm not scum at all. If the game does continue, I promise to claim as soon as Day 2 starts.

[PMysterious]

platinum (aka Judge Joseph Dredd) came into the thread like a giant manbaby and whined about being replaced and outed he was scum with PMyst.

The thing is, this is actually a lie. I'm not scum at all. If the game does continue, I promise to claim as soon as Day 2 starts.

Who's Scum?

I do not know the answer to this question. But even if I did know, I'd still have the integrity to not tell, unlike Platinum.

[PMysterious]

I mean in your opinion....

Oh, well in that case. I would say platinum/Judge, Albert, Trans, and texcat are the most likely scumteam.

Judge for the desperation play, Albert for saying that there was an "obvious" scumclaim and wagoning Gamma and you, Trans is the wild card of the group, and texcat for the hammer on the innocent child, I think.

[PMysterious]

Also Lapsa was probably Scum. It's bastard.

How would we know that? It's under the Normal category. Wouldn't a bastard game fall under a theme?

[PMysterious]

The idea of Judge being lynched sounds good to me.

VOTE: Judge

You may be the judge and the jury, but not the executioner.

[PMysterious]

Darn it Lore! You're the reason I died!