I had to.
That said I am the only one worthy to be the hand. Vote accordingly.
I'd join the wagon on my bro Percy.....but we should already get down to business. Which VI goes first?
A Hydra is just multiple people playing under one name.Shadow1psc wrote:Someone wanna explain what a hydra brings to the game (mafia in general, not this theme)?
Cheeky?Twilight Sparkle wrote:You know I'm all about the policy lynches, but shadow is cheeky scum.Benmage wrote: I'd join the wagon on my bro Percy.....but we should already get down to business. Which VI goes first?
vote chesskid
Whose your third?Twilight Sparkle wrote: Just us, I think.
Yep.Magua wrote:Don't you *want* scum to raise other scum?GreyICE wrote:THIS IS NOT RVS. SCUM WILL SEEK TO RAISE OTHER SCUM.
Deliberate pissing off??? TOWNTELL.Twilight Sparkle wrote:No, you're scummy for Raising without voting and your only justification for self-raising being "a concise way to piss off zoraster."Shadow1psc wrote:It would seem to me more scummy that people bw raise another person. Self raising doesn't seem inherently scummy in the slightest. Inb4 "you're scum for not thinking what you did is scummy"
We should raise the best of the best of us.Magua wrote:Raising someone else tells us nothing about you *at this point in time*. Three days from now, it may tell us quite a bit about you.
They dont. This mechanic is to be fun. Like I said it was put here to speed through a rvs, and moreover give scum (apparently like yourself) something to dwell on/talk about/hide behind. Also this power is WEAK as shit. It is a NERFED version of the previous Hand because the previous Hand if in the powers of a scum was doomed to be dead soon, and for balance purposes IGreyICE wrote: Noooooottt really, no. Don't have this amazing desire to find out what scum can do with a governor power. Don't have an amazing desire to find out if there's any powers that scum have brought online with this "Hand of the King" mechanic. Don't have any desire to find out that they have some sort of godfather powers or turn cops naive, or can get some cool thing if they're hand.
You can't make yourself unlynchable. So raise me. I'll let you live for a little longer one way or another.Bunnylover wrote:Raise: Bunnylover
Lets face it, for those who have played with me, you know that the only way for me to be good is to be unlynchable v_v. So those who were in Gorrad favorite ficitional mafia game, unraise your hand for yourself and raise it for me.
danakillsu wrote:And yet the very fact that you know this statistic tells us that scum could easily have seen this and decided to self-raise because "that's what town does".
Thats fine. Drop the issue at that. Put it in the best players hands...mine...and put them under scrutiny.GreyICE wrote: I don't like the governor power in play in the first place, and I don't trust whoever gets it.
This….I’m feeling a furclow in the making and I don’t like it.zoraster wrote:GreyICE comes across as dumb (he seems unable to understand that just as he doesn't trust anyone else and would prefer to have the power in his hands, everyone else feels the same way), but I'm not sure about scummy at this point.
Duhzoraster wrote: My suggestion is simply to stop raising anyone at all until things are a little more settled. By halfway through the day, we can make town reads PLUS we can make reads based on Hand raises.
One thing is for sure: the Hand should be picked by at least a large plurality. We can't let it be picked by 2 or 3 people.
Woahhhhh....could not disagree more. Scum like to sit in the shadows and see what others do.Twilight Sparkle wrote:Scum tend to like to show false bravado, in my experience.
This looks like a real vote/real attempts at reasoning for the vote....What pg are we on???Locke Lamora wrote:Unvote; Vote: DGB
I'm not seeing the usual aggressive scumhunting/unfounded declarations in the vein of 'x is town and y is scum' that I expect from a pro-town DGB. The LMP vote is weak and hasn't been followed up on, which makes me doubt how scummy DGB found either of the things she based it on.
This is just a novice-TOWN-player.Shadow1psc wrote:To be fair, I don't see many games hit the ground running so hard. There's usually a few pages of random-whatever-stage before people start harping on things, so I threw down some comedy. Though I'm glad I could be a catalyst of discussion.
VIdiot claims Twyin Lannister. Lets lynch already.chesskid3 wrote:Oh I would also like to take this opportunity to mention that my character was once the hand of the king
so
I deserve it
We can just waste the ability early on if we fear it….its really not very powerful.Twilight Sparkle wrote: I'm going to ask something a bit strange. Do people think that a one-shot governor would be useful for town? Say, on a town read in LYLO who looks lynchable but whom you're sooooo sure was town (which is a double-edged sword, if you're wrong or it )?
Right now, I think the role would mainly have a scum benefit, and even then, only when played at the right time. I'm asking because we're discussing the best use of the role in the Hydra QT. We'll explain more, later.
Idiot confirmed....I MEAN! Oh your town ANDDDDD telling the truth!....WOw i totally believe you...this TOTALLY isn't FLUFF. (internetsarcasm)GreyICE wrote: So far you've added nothing but wall post after wall post, IIoA, and no fucking analysis whatsoever. I am telling you the truth, I am town, you are not helping the town.
This is why you're idiot-town...but Can't be governor. This is why I should be governor.GreyICE wrote: I'm in the spotlight. You think this is a scum gambit? It's not.
No. Just use it today and it'll be wasted, and headache/wine cleared….although the upside of using it in a badass fashion is gone.GreyICE wrote:It has to go on town who will not abuse it or misuse it, because the ideal use, in all likelihood, is tonever use it.
Negative. That just means we'll be lynching them later in the game...best to get em dead early when we can afford todo so.Kast wrote: Let's lynch scummy (regardless of VI status). However, deviation from expected behavior will likely influence whether something done by a specific player is actually scummy or not.
********Are you Ser Ilyn Payne?hasdgfas wrote:
Is that a serious fucking question. Just proxy your vote to me already.Bunnylover wrote:Did DGB just claim scum
From those who need to die quickest.Magua wrote:How many VIs do you count in this game, Magna?
We’ll lynch them all.Magua wrote:Because I am leery of people who say "Policy lynching a VI D1 is the smart move" when there's more than one VI.
LOOK. Town can win this probably lynching 1 scum the whole game. Odds are there’s a scum Team of the North Robb Stark etc etc, and Odds are there’s a Stannis scum team. That alone means there will likely be crosskilled.MagnaofIllusion wrote:My question to you – why no direct questions for Benmage based on this reasoning? He suggested that there are more than one VI in his post.
Lol...what retarded options are these. A) We probably won't lynch scum D1. B) Why is killing an idiot today equate to not killing scum tomorrow?....Whereas C) Having idiots in endgame CAN equal a lose. As seen by last game, and moreover numerous games. We eliminate C and are stuck with D) A smaller pool of players,more information to work with and no handicaps.Kast wrote:@Benmage-
Given the choice between:
Lynching scum now and not being able to lynch a VI later
-OR-
Lynching a VI now and not being able to lynch scum later
I'll take the former thanks.
Scum? Whose scum? I don't see any scum....I do see some obvious idiots worth killing.DrippingGoofball wrote:We're not policy lynching. We're lynching scum.
It doesn't shutoff discussion. Quit being so melodramatic. It shuts off one side tangent and gives more direction in the opening day of a themed game which is usually crazzzzy.GreyICE wrote:because it shuts off discussion.
You'll have to convince people why LL is scum....So why is he?DrippingGoofball wrote:We will lynch scum if we lynch Locke Lamora.Benmage wrote:Lol...what retarded options are these. A) We probably won't lynch scum D1.
Really??? Thats how this game works??? Thanks. This is why we do them today. Tomorrow...etc...Not D5..Not Lylo. We're fucked if they're alive then. Which again....They will be, because no scum kills VI's unless they're badass scum...Like me.DrippingGoofball wrote:Enough mislynches will lose us the game.Benmage wrote:B) Why is killing an idiot today equate to not killing scum tomorrow?....
Idiots aren't always alive till the end. And an idiot can get lucky. There no reason to leave it up to chance when we dont have to.DrippingGoofball wrote:But that's the case in every game so....... and games are won.Benmage wrote:C) Having idiots in endgame CAN equal a lose.
I know. You're a beginner player. I don't hold it against you.GreyICE wrote:I'm gonna stop wondering if you're scum and start wondering if you're off your medication. It's not that I can't find any pro-town motive for this, it's that I can't find anysanemotive for this.
AGREED. I want to level the playing field. Our best will die. But we'll kill our weakest. The middlemen will be stuck to win this.DrippingGoofball wrote:The most threatening players are NK'd first, the lambs finish last. That's the way it always is.Benmage wrote:Idiots aren't always alive till the end. And an idiot can get lucky. There no reason to leave it up to chance when we dont have to.
Hahahahhaah. At least I try and make it obvious early. I'm still for it.DrippingGoofball wrote: Benmage - no scum in his right mind would come right out and suggest we mow down a dozen VIs to make up for the scum NK'ing our best players.
Quick skim confirms my read on Grey.Shadow1psc wrote:viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16004
FWIW I've never been scum here (I was hoping to get it this game and was excited when my role came up Lannister... then went 'awwww').
I've seen difficult post restrictions like that be both town and scum.Shadow1psc wrote:I just had an idea?
Why don't we raise Sir Payne to governor...?
........ This is frustrating, and relatively useless.. I'm done after this one. Was that a no, and if so are you able to admit ..i.e. nod head to a correct calling of your name. If Payne is correct requote with a nod.hasdgfas wrote:Benmage wrote:Cow, are you Ill Payne?
Too risky if hes scum gambling and used it hypothetically endgame. It would still be best if we wanted it gone to raise someone, anyone, and have them randomly use it on someone today(tomorrow?) whose obviously not being lynched.Shadow1psc wrote:My point is that he couldn't use it, or would be shoe-horned into not using it, else we'd lynch him.
I'm saying, we probably wont, based on scum hunting skills...sure we can get lucky. But lynching an idiot, also has the chance of being scum. SO its win win.Kast wrote:@Benmage-
The options directly follow from your objection.
-I proposed we try to lynch scum now. You objected that lynching scum now (or trying to) means we cannot lynch VI's later.
Nonono... we can afford some collateral dmg right now. To make the herd smaller. Later when the games on the line, and we're faced with scummy idiots (who probably are town)...we'll lynch them and lose. Or they'll be the only ones left in the game with scum, and scum will swindle them and we'll lose aswell. It's lose lose leaving idiots alive.Kast wrote: -Your proposal is we lynch VIs now INSTEAD OF trying to lynch scum. If we accept your BS, that waiting until VI's act scummy to lynch them means we will be unable to lynch the scummy VI's then that equally applies to scummy non-VIs who are left to be lynched later.
Nono no...i'm just putting forth a much more advance interpretation of the game that is clearly above most skill players this game offers.Kast wrote: You presented retarded options
Yeah and if I'm town, why haven't you raised me?MagnaofIllusion wrote:Hey DGB - if Locke is certified scum why is your vote still on LynchMePls? Just curious.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:The best question is ... why haven't you raised yourself? It hard to jump on a wagon you aren't even supporting yet.Benmage wrote:Yeah and if I'm town, why haven't you raised me?
MoI your town. Do me a favor and raise me. LETS start this wagn
Despite rolling town. I've been looking forward to this game way too much to not give it my A-game.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Unraise MoI
Raise Benmage
I’m willing to do this based on past experiences with you Ben. Don’t disappoint me.
Fakeclaims are a commonality nowadays….but as for the mods they definitely wanted to be totally new/creative while keep somethings especially liked similar, but still new…hence the day events.Magua wrote:Yes. I assume things are the same unless I have reason to believe they are different. Eg, I also assume that every single scum has been given a fakeclaim.MagnaofIllusion wrote: So your set-up argument revolves around Mod-meta specific to the Game of Thrones mini and Clash of Kings?
If you think thats walling...get off the site. You know nothing,GreyICE wrote:There's no discussion, because I'm done reading the walls.
I can multitask.Nexus wrote: Do some scum hunting.
Anyone bother asking for justification?Magua wrote:ITT, having an unjustified townread is scummy.diddin wrote:ITT having townreads is scummy.
LOL...because confirmed townies are in danger of being lynched right?GreyICE wrote:PEDIT: Nexus, I said I would only use it on confirmed/confirmable townies, and if that wasn't enough for people, I'd throw it away day 1.
Explain?GreyICE wrote: or dead scum walking.
I dont like them either. I dont like alot of her playstyle. But she does them as town. So it’s a buncha of wine to talk about and not case worthy. Focus on something else.Nexus wrote:I don't like town/scum lists anyway.
That's your best town read?LynchMePls wrote:On that note:
Unraise
Raise: Magua
Thats a good point.LynchMePls wrote:In fact, I'd prefer we raised a hand before we discussed this. If we all agreed that the hand was meaningless because we're just gonna force them to burn it, then the raise votes have less meaning.Benmage wrote:Regardless thats something that could even still be discussed once a Hand was made. Especially if they took a turn for the worse.
Wasnt it false bravado for NEW scum? But Yeah I have balls as scum...but not as big as my town balls.Feysal wrote:Benmage strikes me as the type of player who would be the exception to the rule.
All fucking ready? *puke*Feysal wrote: Not that I would want to do this, I prefer giving the power to someone who might use it,and who I trust to be town.
Raise: hasdgfas
Or he could just be scum with the post restriction….I was a scum GF where I could only quote Shakespeare …that was a bitchDrippingGoofball wrote:Nice choice, hascow is probscum. That old role might be the inspiration that gave him the idea that he could get away with a lot of nonsense by faking a post restriction.
Misrep. Call it a null DGB move.Locke Lamora wrote:but apparently half the players here are just going to mindlessly call her townand move on, so while my vote is elsewhere, the suspicion's still there.
Flufff... I mean IIoA.Locke Lamora wrote: if he comes out tomorrow and says 'oh I was given the ability to speak again!' then he's just going to get lynched.
For a slipup maybe not. For choosing not to abide... Fuck yes.DrippingGoofball wrote:Who sayz? Mods don't modkill for a post restriction fail.Benmage wrote:DGB STFU. If it was true you're asking for a neutral survivor modkill...goddamn.
lol...horrible.Raivann wrote:Exactly. Why would someone named that get replaced? She was obviously stoked for this game, but got caught as scum early.Magua wrote:The user named "Song of Ice and Fire" got replaced out of a ASoIaF game. That is not a good sign for that slot.
I agree.. .. lead wagon go!Shadow1psc wrote:Are you reading the thread?
DrippingGoofball wrote:YES.GreyICE wrote:@DGB- are you sure enough that Hascow is scum that you would be willing to be lynched tomorrow if he flips town?
So you wait till the VI townie hammers the town doc, then you venge-lynch them and cost us the game.....Wonderful concept.MagnaofIllusion wrote: I draw the line at lynching scummy people (VIs or no) when they act scummy. It's a pretty standard concept.
That DGB asking him to willfully break a post restriction (if real)...is the dumbest fucking thing ever. And even if its fake...he won't do it because he's pretending its real...hence he won't do the dumbest fucking thing ever.Shadow1psc wrote:What was the point of this question? Hascow is either a) lying, or b)has some kind of consequence obviously laid out to him by the mod (ala stumping, or w/e). A mod confirmed townie is great, but much more likely to die at some point.Benmage wrote:If you modded a game, and put in a post restriction role and the person PURPOSELY broke said post restriction. Would you modkill them?MOD
Too ambiguous. He might have a wide range of things to work with.danakillsu wrote: @ hascow
Don't break your "PR" yet, if you don't want to, but in your next post, post everything you're allowed to say all at once. If you're allowed to say all of it at different times, you should be able to give us the whole list.
I know hes gone... but I am baffled at what I read sometimes.GreyICE wrote:We'll find the breadcrumb if they die.
Lay off the beginners.LynchMePls wrote:This is so lame. I'm not sure if it's scummy though. The jury is still out.
aCoKTwilight Sparkle wrote:To me, it read like you were taking a snipe at him as a VI and yet you had raised him after your early game rant. Your explanation tells me I read that wrong, but I am still paranoid. Can I get some games you were in with Benmage as a "Pro-Town force"?MagnaofIllusion wrote: That gambit that blew up in his face is the source of my comment. It isn’t something that erases multiple other instances of my belief that Benmage can be a strong Pro-Town force.
This is benmage plagiarism. (Said to appear good…not buying it)Twilight Sparkle wrote: I don't get what you are driving at here. We haven't out right requested governor because we think it isn't that great of a power. It's one shot that won't make it to lylo and fretting over it like that is pretty crazy to me. I'm finding it a distraction.
Miss? What Miss you talking about Sotty from our experience?...And out of everyone in the game? Whose your top 3 players here?Twilight Sparkle wrote:Actually as I type this out, I am getting more and more confused as to why you would raise Ben. He doesn't seem like your kind of player. His style is either hit or miss from my experience and as already demonstrated, you look down on players who “miss”. I'm gonna check out these links you have provided, but out of everyone in the game... I'm having a hard time swallowing you raising Benmage. Gut says you did it to either get him on your good side or to go with the flow. Neither is a good thing.
~Sotty
Happy hes gone.GreyICE wrote:Seriously, the level of play in this town is fairly pathetic overall. There cannot be as many scum as there are lurkers and people 'still reading' or people who BLATANTLY HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
BL is the same.... Everything she says...just make me go...wowwwwBunnylover wrote:something just tells me that the vig will die before hasdgfas can be shot. That would leave us in a situation of WIFOM.
chesskid3 wrote:holy crap MoI is scum. Possibly/Probably scum with xvart, actually.
Unvote
Vote: MoI
Wow... I agree with BL.... (tellnoone)Bunnylover wrote:I am in agreeance to vote against Raivann. That last post was just lol. Don't vote me dude, I'm town and I got a town read on you!!!!
Vote: Raivann
Go MaguaMagua wrote:I am finding you null-to-scummy at this point. Nothing to do with the governor -- I believe other people can legitimately disagree with me. The thing with you all is, you have posts, and the posts have content, but there's a complete lack of any of you pushing a lynch or trying to do something. You vote Shadow, but don't push; you vote ASoIaF, but don't push. This is doubly strange because not only are you not pushing on the ASoIaF/Thor lynch, it's obvious the lynch isn't going anywhere. xvart, diddin, Raivann, Locke Lamora -- you don't comment on *any* of these lynches, and you're not really trying to get *any* other lynches going.Twilight Sparkle wrote:But really this is whole thing is starting to feel like a theory discussion which in turn isn't scum hunting. Do you find us, or others like us scummy for wanting to throw away this power?
That's my read.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Serious question Chess - have you ever been Nightkilled in a game that wasn't in Newbie / Open?chesskid3 wrote:I don't want to die at night because I have an awesome PR
that's why the VI act
Is Raivanns town read loose, silly, and unhelpful?Raivann wrote:unvote. Vote:Thor
Oops on xvart
I dont like the raivann wagon. He's Lannister i'm 100%sure.
Woah (why did I think Shadow was the dayvig…)(Oh right skimmed post 725 before)hasdgfas wrote:*nods head*Twilight Sparkle wrote:Hey Cow, you saying that you're a dayvig?
You're claiming a one shopt dayvig who doesn't want to use their power yet, because there's too many people...hasdgfas wrote: *looks hesitantly at LMP*
*nods slowly*
*holds up one finger*
*looks at vote count*
*points to LMP's mouth*
*spreads arms wide*
Why Magua?diddin wrote:I would support a dayvigging of Raivann orMagua.
I <3 MoIMagnaofIllusion wrote:There, your 15 minutes of Troll happiness has expired. Hope you had fun
Uhhh Thor was following a Cops results....MagnaofIllusion wrote:If Cow is going to shoot today he should vig who he suspects and deal with the fall-out. Thor as Dayvig in Clash got it right.
Where's KmD to say Dayvig doesn't mean town!DrippingGoofball wrote:I shall now shut up about hascow.
Possibly...but we do get to see 1 of them flip soon.diddin wrote:This looks like bussing to me. .
DrippingGoofball wrote:Feysal is town.
Wait.... Irony? From Mina...hmmmmTwilight Sparkle wrote:I love it when someone who has gone under the radar mysteriously pops out of the woodworks to defend their lack of contribution when someone mentions their name.
...
...
What are you all looking at me for? *whistles innocently*
~Mina
Hes reading very different than aCoK...where he was scum.DrippingGoofball wrote:Raivann is exhibiting typical townie thought processes.
This reminds me... If theres a kings guard like last game and I'm not invited (insertangryfacex3)..Post max is 12??? That must be annoying cowchesskid3 wrote:>_>
proddodge
i got addicted to this King's guard game >_>
Did you not see where I made those quotes from? I made the votes while I was catching up properly. Both were pretty much placement votes until I was caught up/found something scummier.danakillsu wrote:FoS: Benmage
Your 796/798 turnaround is incredibly scummy. Does it take just one short post from someone WHO IS NOT EVEN YOUR VOTE TARGET to change your mind?
I'm not worried about looking scummy.danakillsu wrote:And that is scummy.
Dude, I did tone it down. Considering how far I had fallen back...and how much I chose not to comment on.Twilight Sparkle wrote: So yeah, while I'm annoyed at his unreadable quote-walls (seriously man, pare it down!) I think Ben is town.
Yes when the majority consitutes VI-s and scum. There are always people I respect whose opinions I would respect.Twilight Sparkle wrote:As for why we don't want to raise you, Ben, it comes down to this:
The simple fact is, Governor isn't something that should feel bad-ass. If someone is in danger of being lynched, that means that they are someone a majority of people want flipped. At least some of them are townies. Even if you personally don't agree with a wagon, Governoring it can often lead to more issues down the road - what if they keep looking scummy? What if your read was wrong and you gave a scumbag a new lease on life?I'm gonna use it as badassly as I can. Moar Raises.
If Governor is used at all, it should be used very carefully, and you seem like exactly the player who would be 100% confident that you are absolutely right and themajority of peopleare absolutely wrong on what someone is going to flip. Not the kind of person I want with governor. :p
Oh haii someone asked for it ages ago to end this tangent.Shadow1psc wrote:and it's much better than say, if we raise someone who's also power,
Good. Put scum under the magnifying glass....Governor wont live(or ability go unused) to pull some scum lylo gg ninja.Shadow1psc wrote:or we raise scum.
So sit back...Shadow1psc wrote: I'm... not sure what you're saying at all in this
The vote on Raivann was for an idiotic comment. Because my vote was being useless..but it was when I was over 10 pages behind.... While I continued to read I noticed drastic differences in his game last time compared to this one. 9Where he was scum)Shadow1psc wrote: These were back to back in your ISO. And then you don't really do anything else to further the Zoraster case. Your votes are flimsy and you want to talk about the quality of players (on a wagon you were on at one point too?)
I've given you the reasoning why I think Raivann is town.... If It is only between Raivann and Zoraster..and I think Raivann is town... Does anything else matter?Shadow1psc wrote: You say 3 days like that isn't enough time to type up a paragraph explaining why Zoraster is overall scummier,
What does this mean to you?Shadow1psc wrote:and it doesn't looking like Raivann is hoping on the easy lynch to save himself.