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MagnaofIllusion wrote:
@Empking and Magua– Nothing to say at all about the L-3 LMP wagon?
No. It'll come in useful once we have a flip and if either of LMP or vezok are scum then it'll be a veritable feast of scum. As it is its a null tell.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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MagnaofIllusion wrote:Empking wrote:Vote: SK - Multiple random votes and shirking from the wagon.
1. How do you know that it is a random vote?
I presumed.
2. Why is getting off an L-3 (I think) wagon a scum-tell when Saint K's vote was the first vote and clearly RVS?
Its a scumtell because there isn't a pro-town motive. The only motive I can think of is that SK and LMP are buddies and SK doesn't want LMP to have attention 0on him or that SK is scum and trying to suggest the LMP/SK connection after SK's death.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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SaintKerrigan wrote:What if it's a purely selfish motive and I don't want LMP lynched before I get a chance to play with him?
Oh yeah, there are the null out-of-game reasons but an action with scum motives and null motives is a scum tell.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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MagnaofIllusion wrote:Empking wrote:Its a scumtell because there isn't a pro-town motive. The only motive I can think of is that SK and LMP are buddies and SK doesn't want LMP to have attention 0on him or that SK is scum and trying to suggest the LMP/SK connection after SK's death.
So SaintK can’t possibly be Town who came back to the thread and saw that his random vote had expoded into a big wagon?
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Town playing to win wouldn't have unvoted if he found his random vote had expoded into a big wagon.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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LynchMePls wrote:
Empking wrote:Its a scumtell because there isn't a pro-town motive. The only motive I can think of is that SK and LMP are buddies and SK doesn't want LMP to have attention 0on him or that SK is scum and trying to suggest the LMP/SK connection after SK's death.
Do you think that a RVS "wagon" on me is going to make me feel pressure? Why?
Yes because the spotlight would be on you. If you were close to lynch people would expect you to explain why they shouldn't lynch you.
Empking wrote:Town playing to win wouldn't have unvoted if he found his random vote had expoded into a big wagon.
Not sure this is true. Expand please.
If he's town then he does something scummy without that action being pro-town or (ignoring the scumminess of it) helping his wincon.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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hasdgfas wrote:
Empking, you seem to be playing this game in "theory-land" as opposed to thinking about actual "playing-mafia-land". Why?
One of the original scum tells, I used was based in theory-land and I've just been defending that scumtell. A sort of Fonzian scumhunting strategy is something that I want to use in this game in general, though.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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hasdgfas wrote:Empking wrote:hasdgfas wrote:
Empking, you seem to be playing this game in "theory-land" as opposed to thinking about actual "playing-mafia-land". Why?
One of the original scum tells, I used was based in theory-land and I've just been defending that scumtell. A sort of Fonzian scumhunting strategy is something that I want to use in this game in general, though.
Do you think that actually works in practice?
If something is done for null reasons and scum reasons but not town reasons then absolutely you'll get a better than random porportion of scum doing the action. Absolutely.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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I agree with vezok. The only possible scumbag I see on the SK wagon is Maemuki (a null read) other than that the only town read I have that isn't on SK is DGB (Or I suppose MOI because I think AGM might well be right with his wagon analysis.)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Locke Lamora wrote:LynchMePls wrote:MagnaofIllusion wrote:LynchMePls wrote:
MOI is ABSOLUTELY playing his scum game right now. He takes little belittling shots like this at people when he's scum. Anything he can to try and undermine someone's credibility he will do.
Nope. Pointing out that you are trying to draw an bad link between me being scum there and me being scum here isn't belittling.
Nice deflection. The belittling is the "you never caught me in that game" bit, not the "pointing out a bad link". You try to undermine me with that throw away "oh you never voted me" buisness. You still haven't explained WTF that has to do with whether or not it's a fair comparison. Because it has dick all to do with it, but you're more interested in making a slick point than in showing my argumentto be false if it is.
You also did have not explained why the comparison is bad, you only call it a bad link. So double fail.
Hi again all. LMP is scum for the bolded. Please vote accordingly.
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SaintKerrigan wrote:
Empking wrote:the only town read I have that isn't on SK is DGB
...this reads like you think I'm town, but that's not the stance I've seen from you. Clarify?
You're my biggest scum read. DGB is a town read. She is also the only town read not voting for you.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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DrippingGoofball wrote:hasdgfas wrote:...but you're being overly difficult[...].
You also seem to be taking little snipes at people. It's like you're trying to be annoying.
That would be the dumbest, most counterproductive scum strategy EVA, don't you think?
Unless that's what he WANTS you to think!Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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AlmasterGM wrote:Guys, let's all compromise and lynch Magua.
Unvote, Vote: Magua
I can agree with that. I'd also say that he's more likely to be the CR which I presume is the biggest threat.
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Magua wrote:Empking wrote:I can agree with that. I'd also say that he's more likely to be the CR which I presume is the biggest threat.
Unvote, Vote: Magua
I'm extremely curious: Why am I more likely to be the cult recruiter than cult or mafia?
Your sole focus seems to be on slipping under the radar rather than causing mislynches and such.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Bilbo Baggins wrote:
Empking wrote:I'd also say that he's more likely to be the CR which I presume is the biggest threat.
Except he can't recruit until N2- read the rules.
I did read the rules. The Cult Recruitor will still be the greatest threat and I don't trust us having another chance to kill Magua.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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DrippingGoofball wrote:I'm leery of players that would vote a player over another for unsupported claims of "more likely to be CR."
Just vote scummy. Scummy is mafia, scummy is CR. We're lucky if we hit scum. CR would be nice, but distinguishing CR from mafia this on Day 1 is a pipe dream.
You're ignoring the fact that Magua and SK are around equal scumminess but part of SK's scumminess is the self-evident support she had from Mafia to avoid her lynch and drag MOI up.
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Mina: What's the difference between the reactions of town getting run up for reasons they don't agree with and scum getting run up for reasons they don't agree with? Why is MOI the former?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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DrippingGoofball wrote:Empking wrote:DrippingGoofball wrote:I'm leery of players that would vote a player over another for unsupported claims of "more likely to be CR."
Just vote scummy. Scummy is mafia, scummy is CR. We're lucky if we hit scum. CR would be nice, but distinguishing CR from mafia this on Day 1 is a pipe dream.
You're ignoring the fact that Magua and SK are around equal scumminess but part of SK's scumminess is the self-evident support she had from Mafia to avoid her lynch and drag MOI up.
Faraday: LMP is on the scummy side of null.
Mind you, people that scream "CR" have an increased probability of beingmafia. How 'bout that, pussycat?
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AlmasterGM wrote:Magua will fall off the radar and always be the guy everyone wants dead, but never wants to waste time on. He should be lynched now before he can hide.
This. Just this.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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OK, the fact that MOI seems to think he'll flip scum (I presume that's what he means by janitor'd) means I have to reluctantly find him suspicious. I'll probably hammer tommorrow if he hasn't already been lynched by then.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Hinduragi wrote:Yo Spyrex, you don't think a cult leader would be more likely to lurk? I'm thinking survivalist tactics and that brings me to lurking, avoiding bandwagons, and generally keeping as many options open as possible. Maemuki decided to take all 3 options. Lay down CR Hunting 101 for me if I'm wrong here.
The first bit of this post is very good though I disagree with the conclusions. Hindu: Cult recruitor play is very similar to going to be replaced play. Can you take some of your logic and place your vote where those stuff are actually a tell?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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DrippingGoofball wrote:Yeah Bilbo is town, who the heck would vote Bilbo? Scum? No. That's what the NK is for. For the Bilbo Baggins of the world.
I'm confused. Though I agree that BB is obvtown and that nobody in their right mind would vote BB, what does it mean considering SK did vote BB?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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AlmasterGM wrote:Empking wrote:Which means?
Scumpoints.
...seriously, what was the point of that question?
Amusingly to check whether or not you were simply trying to create the mirage of contribution by giving random facts.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Magua wrote:Less pissy: If you think that scum were crowding off the MoI and SK wagons, and MoI flipped town, and now you think scum are crowding off the SK wagon, then why are you not considering SK-non-scum?
After all, if it was SK scum vs MoI town, you'd imagine that some of the scum would be pushing MoI.
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Magua wrote:Empking wrote:Scum don't want to be caught saving their buddy.
Seeing as there's been zero suspicion on anyone who was on the MoI wagon, that hardly seems like it'd even be a concern.
Yes but until we revealled we knew that we were onto them then they didn't know that. Plus, we have to wait for SK to flip first.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Magua wrote:Empking wrote:Yes but until we revealled we knew that we were onto them then they didn't know that.
Empking wrote:Plus, we have to wait for SK to flip first.
Enlighten me as to how that's going to affect anything, because as far as I can see:
SK flips scum: "OMG people who were off the SK wagon are her buddies protecting her"
SK flips town: "OMG people who were off the SK wagon are scum stalling the game"
Yes but if people want to look at MOI for buddies then they have to wait for SK to flip. That's why nobody has checked that wagon left. Yes it won't really change my view and maybe some other players but when SK flips scum you know somebody is going to look at that wagon colouring it in until there are only three non-greens left and will then declare "These three are scum" (Unless they're next to each other of course.)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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SaintKerrigan wrote:AlmasterGM wrote:And check out how, ONCE AGAIN, the same people as yesterday are responsible for the stall.
Benmage (1) -Thor665
vezokpiraka (1) - Benmage
SaintKerrigan (7) - Lost Butterfly, Locke Lamora, SpyreX, vezokpiraka, AlmasterGM, Empking, LynchMePls
Empking (1) - hasdgfas
hasdgfas (1) - DrippingGoofball
Thor665 (2) - Espeonage, Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo Baggins (1) -SaintKerrigan
Locke Lamora (1) -Magua
Not Voting (3) - Nexus, Setael, Hinduragi
With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch!
Sweet. I'm stalling my own wagon. Isn't that a funny coincidence?
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SaintKerrigan wrote:*looks at Role PM with more sleep on board*
Crap, I goofed. I'm actually aTownsperson (Embodiment of the Smith). The rest of the claim still applies.
@ Empking: Espeonage is obvtown?
You were the one who dragged up the old analysis not me. Just because you're doing some last minute distancingnowdoesn't mean you weren't stallingthen.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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SaintKerrigan wrote:The point was what motivation would I have to _not_ stall my own wagon (other than being sick of all the derpery going around this town)?
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DrippingGoofball wrote:I will speculate that there is scum in these parts that are too chicken to hammer a townie I'm defending:
Benmage
>>>> hasdgfas <<<<
Magua
Thor665
Nexus
Setael
Hinduragi
Out of seven players you think one is probably scum.
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Setael wrote:That hammer was immensely scummy, especially considering I had just asked for a little time. I'll be shocked if SK flips scum.
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LynchMePls wrote:Setael wrote:Empking wrote:Setael wrote:That hammer was immensely scummy, especially considering I had just asked for a little time. I'll be shocked if SK flips scum.
On the minuite chance that SK is town then scum caught right here.
Whether SK is town or scum, that hammer was scummy. It was clearly made solely to stifle discussion.
Ya, that hammer was so totally scummy.
Looks like the gambit failed since SK didn't post until after the VC. I guess it'd be worth checking if SK posted anywhere else on site between my revote and ooba's VC, but I don't have time for that now.
V/LA for the weekend
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Setael wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:hasdgfas wrote:Um, hello?
What exactly am I supposed to say in response to people just voting for me but not explaining why? Unless I missed some explanation in Hind's post.
*caught for wrong reasons*
This.
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Magua wrote:Locke Lamora wrote:Have you met Vezok before, SK?
I'd wagon Benmage with you, Thor. I haven't seen anything that makes me think SK isn't scum, though, and at the end of the day, a botched claim is a botched claim. I don't even know if I've seen that from town, and I can recall a number of instances off the top of my head where I've seen it from scum (and that includes myself).
I've seen town claim the role name in the OP rather than their own, and I've not played that many games on this site.
Now, as near as I can tell, SK got wagoned D1 for the same justifications that MoI did -- that is, incredibly bad ones. Fine, whatever. But all of the people who are going, "Well, should've gone with the SK wagon D1" instead of trying to use the additional information we have are being lazy and antitown.
I'm not claiming that the hasdgfas wagon is founded on anything concrete. It's built on the same swamp. But it's 10,000 times more useful to see who's willing to join the hasdgfas wagon, who's willing to support the hasdgfas wagon over the SK wagon, and who clings to the SK wagon and for what reasons, than it is to simply lynch SK at this point.
The problem is that scum knows that SK is caught scum. This means the silly Has thing will just be played by the mafia in order to 6trick us because its not a real alternative.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Magua wrote:Empking wrote:The problem is that scum knows that SK is caught scum. This means the silly Has thing will just be played by the mafia in order to 6trick us because its not a real alternative.
Illuminate me. Remember, I'm stupid, so I don't grasp your intricacies. Feel free to start with the fact that if you believe SK's claim is a slip, it means that SK is cult, since R'hllor (cult) is the one who deals with souls and Old Faith (mafia) do not.
I'm not aware of the flavour so maybe my perspective is completely stupid but:
1. Scum have several safeclaims.
2. One of these safeclaims is what SK is claiming now and the other is one that has "soul" in it (Maybe its a cult specific safeclaim like unrecruitable.)
3. SK mixed up these claims because she was exposed to both in the same place.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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SaintKerrigan wrote:I'm thinking I should be lynched today, if only to show how much fail is behind this wagon. You want to connect the dots and find scum based on my flip? Fine, go do that. But I guarantee this house of scumcards you're building around me is gonna fall hard.
@ Empking: What makes you think scum have several fakeclaims as opposed to one?
Because of course they do?
To everyone that thinks my claim mistake is a scumslip:
- What proof do you have that I didn't simply use a random word instead of "Smith"? I'm sure you've all had enough late nights to know what sleep deprivation can do to the mind...
Its a bit far fetched that your random word was a never-before mentioned word that was distinctly relavant to the game.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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SaintKerrigan wrote:Empking wrote:Because of course they do?
It's been my experience that scum only get one fakeclaim apiece. If you're implying that they're sharing them...do tell where this speculation comes from.
From playing mafia before.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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SaintKerrigan wrote:What makes you think the scum would be doing it here, versus sticking with their own fakeclaims?
Because sharing is clearly the best.
For that matter, if "Souls" is such a bad word to use, then why would it be even part of a pool of fakeclaims?
In a more acceptable context.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Magua wrote:Empking, do you ever, at all, go back to your original thinking and say, "I was wrong at step 1 and step 2, maybe step 3 is suspect too?"
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Magua wrote:Empking wrote:Magua wrote:Empking, do you ever, at all, go back to your original thinking and say, "I was wrong at step 1 and step 2, maybe step 3 is suspect too?"
Yes. What steps are you talking about?
Your "SK is obv scum because there's no way town could mess up their claim like that."
Your "Scum jumped from the SK wagon to the MoI / scum avoided the SK wagon altogether D1 to protect their buddy"
Your "Scum bussed SK D2 because she was scum going down"
When did I say the last point?
Your complete lack of "Given that SK was town and my theories about why people were and were not on the SK wagon were all voided, I should go back and rethink things", instead just going with, "Well, we all decided Magua was cult recruiter, let's lynch him"
But you being a CR is completely unrelated to SK's flip?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Magua wrote:Empking wrote:When did I say the last point?
Post #844:Empking wrote:The problem is that scum knows that SK is caught scum. This means the silly Has thing will just be played by the mafia in order to 6trick us because its not a real alternative.
Not voting Has =/= bussing SK.
Empking wrote:But you being a CR is completely unrelated to SK's flip?
Given MoI and SK both being town, do you think I'm the cult recruiter?
Hell, do you think I'm scum?
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