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In post 1130, Fate wrote:So you're seriously in the "lynch the confirmed townies" camp MoS?
What the fuck is this
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I didn't say Fate was town, myk. I've never seen a townsperson fakeclaim mason. I'm saying I can read Fate to tell when he's lying, and his mason claim didn't feel right. Not to mention that I'm not even saying you're scum.
Now you're trying to claim that I'm scummy for thinking Fate was scum because he was lying. That doesn't even make sense.
Also, how the hell can you claim I'm lurking? I replaced in 10 days ago and I've made 17 posts since then. That's including two game nights during which there was no posting, so my activity has been better than 2 posts a day.
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In post 1277, Banshee wrote:I'm going to float a theory, and those with more experience with Fate can tell me how likely they think it is.
We know now that Fate was a governor. That means he did not have to claim mason buddies with Mykonian in order to save Myko's life. He could have simply overruled the lynch if he felt it was a bad lynch, which in fact he did for Bunnylover. He had two options (three, if you count ignoring the lynch and just letting it happen). In one case, he chose claiming mason buddies; in the other, he chose governor.
Well, obviously he couldn't claim mason buddies with Bunnylover, so that's one explanation of sorts. But I'm wondering if Fate had another plan in mind.
If Fate thought Mykonian was scum, then he might have claimed mason with Mykonian knowing that Mykonian knew his meta and, even as town, would not reject this claim. It would be a safe move for Fate and might keep him alive longer, since scum would be reluctant to kill him and thus open up Mykonian to question about the mason claim.
SO, if Fate tried to claim mason with Myko because he thought Myko was scum in lieu of using the governor pardon on him, then I don't think Myko would have allowed him to be killed and to confirm that. Fate had shown no signs of backing down from his mason claim or of attacking Myko. So why would Myko-scum allow his security to be killed?
My answer is, he wouldn't. So, if Mykonian is scum, you have to believe that Fate was more dangerous to him alive than dead. That means that Fate was zeroing in on something. If this is the theory being floated by those on the Myko-is-scum lynching committee, I want some evidence of what Fate was on to that made Mykonian so nervous he was willing to kill his alibi. Without that, there's no smoking gun to lynch Myko.
Mykonian is not confirmed town. There are no confirmed townies, not me, not Bunnylover, not Myko, no one. But Myko is not the most likely scum and he's surely not the lynch for today.
Corrections on my logic are requested and welcome.
This makes absolutely no sense. If Fate thought Mykonian was scum, why put out a random mason claim gambit that saved Myk from being lynched? If Fate thought Myk was scum, the best option was to let the lynch go through. It is obvious that Fate thought Myk was town, that's not even something that should be under debate.Permanent V/LA.-
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Uhh...have you ever played with a governor before, Banshee? The ability to stop a lynch EVERY day is ridiculously broken and puts the entire game in the hands of a single player. This isn't Kingmaker or Consulmaker, this is a basic theme game. At best he might have had two shots, but I'm guessing the ability could only be used once.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 1291, mykonian wrote:vote MoS
I mean, what did he add in those last posts? "kat would you trust fate after that and that?" and three theory posts. He's avoiding to post reads. And with scooby's history, MoS is just scum.
LMAO, are you so dense that you require people to make fucking lists for you to realize they're posting reads?
I've already defended you and attacked chkflip. I clearly have no interest in the Jakwagon.
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@myk: Banshee was basing a lot of his "opinion" and "train of thought" on the assumption that Governor could be used every day. It was important to break him of that notion. (For the record, governor by definition is generally a one-shot role, and I don't think I've ever seen it labeled as one-shot upon death.)
In post 1303, Banshee wrote:@Mastermind of Sin:
Why do you have no interest in the Jakalope wagon? Do you think he's town? What do you think of the case on him (not the lurker case, but the complete turnaround in his reads on me depending on whether or not he thought I was likely to be lynched or not)?
Do you think Bunnylover is likely to be scum? If she is lynched/nightkilled and flips scum, does that make you more suspicious of Dramonic, or does he remain at the same level?
My apologies if you've answered this, but who is your top scum suspect at the moment, and why aren't you voting him or her?
@Mykonian:
I think MoS was mostly answering me and discussing my reads in those posts; therefore if you think they're pointless I think I'm mostly to blame there.
I read Jakalope as inexperienced town. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
I'm 50/50 on Bunny being scum, and I don't think I can draw conclusions about dram's connection to bunny at this time. There isn't nearly enough evidence.
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I hate that chkflip is agreeing with me, if only because his vote on myk is so terrible right now.
I like StrangerCoug for scum. I didn't even know he was in the game until I checked the playerlist just now. A quick look at his ISO reveals that he's on the Jakwagon which is bad, and he tried to set up a one-two mislynch on DavidX and Bunny yesterday with this post:
In post 1159, StrangerCoug wrote:David Xanatos is our best option here. I'm pretty sure he and Bunnylover are of opposing alignments and the way he's dealing with the claimed living cop and the masons points toward him being scum.
I'm also suspecting a possible SC/Bunny scumteam, because he made the comment above and then didn't even bother following it up the next day after David came up town. He just used it to build momentum on the DavidX lynch and then dropped it.
Either way, though, SC's actions regarding David/Bunny are scummy, regardless of Bunny's alignment. He also conveniently had an early vote on xvart coming out of RVS, only to back off and wagon Blackberry, myk, Katsuki, and myself until "calling" the hammer vote on xvart without ever addressing suspicion for him since his earlier vote (which had tenuous reasoning to begin with). Looks like someone who wanted to create distance early and then tried to get town cred for a hammer when it was clear his buddy was going to get lynched.
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In post 1326, StrangerCoug wrote:In post 1323, Mastermind of Sin wrote:StrangerCoug, it's a fallacy for you to try to tie your own alignment to Bunny's like that. It's completely illogical to try to isolate Bunny's own alignment based on your actions, since yours are scummy regardless of Bunny's.
I did not say or imply that Bunnylover and I necessarily are the same alignment—she's not confirmed to me, I'm not confirmed to her, and for me to suggest anything indicating otherwise is absurd. You presented us with two conflicting theories. Since this provides you with a backup if you're wrong, it's fine, but I was trying to get at what alignment you think Bunnylover is. Assuming I am scum, then if Bunnylover is town, then I tried to get her mislynched according to you, and if she is scum then you think she is by buddy. (She could also be a third party, but your posts don't say anything about you thinking that, so I'm ignoring it for the purposes of this argument.)
That's not even relevant, however, because my read on Bunnylover isn't based on your actions, nor is there a need for a "backup" theory. I'm not suggesting we kill Bunny to find out your alignment. I'm suggesting we kill you and that it has nothing to do with Bunny. As previously stated, my read on Bunny is 50/50 right now, which is exactly why it doesn't matter which theory is correct because in both instances you are scum.Permanent V/LA.-
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chkflip, if you think lynching dead weight is a bad decision, why did you vote to lynch thejak? He was obviously VI, not scum. We should have been going after people like StrangerCoug.
Unfortunately, I have no idea why Banshee was killed. A quick look through his ISO shows that he had virtually no scumreads other than being on thejak's wagon, so it wasn't pressure that caused his death. Perhaps they had a power role read on him.
3. StrangerCoug - scum
8. Katsuki - neutral
9. chkflip - neutral leaning scum
11. Nocmen - neutral leaning scum
12. Dramonic - neutral leaning scum
17. Bunnylover - neutral leaning town
19. Mykonian - probably town
So not a lot of information to be had after a quick ISO of most players. You guys are all playing relatively shitty across the board, unfortunately. If I remember correctly, we have claims from Nocmen and Bunnylover, right? We should probably consider mass claim today.
Tactic #2, let's look at xvart:
Votes Bunnylover
Votes Nocmen
Votes Bogre
Votes Katsuki
Reads on people wagoning him:
Fate - running up wagons on people he doesn't think is scum just to get a claim
Reck - no reasons, no real contributions
Bunnylover - lol at this vote
jackalope - lol at this vote, too
katsuki - scum
ellibereth - only seems to care about getting people to claim
Not a lot of info here, so let's look at Ellibereth:
Votes no lynch
Calls for Bunny claim, then Stranger
Calls for Noc claim then votes
unvotes
Calls for Katsuki claim
Calls for Bogre claim
Votes stranger
Votes Bogre
Votes CSL/chkflip
Votes xvart
Votes bunny
Posts a VC "Analysis" with no conclusions
Votes David
Not a lot here either, although the "pressure" on Stranger without any real reasoning stands out as possible distancing, especially since Elli's vote was just kinda parked on Stranger until it was time for him to get on the lynch wagon for that day.
Even though I rarely resort to this as a scumhunting tactic, I don't feel like I have a good read on anyone especially as a replacement myself, so let's look at the voting patterns to see if anything important comes up (all replacements have been renamed to their current player for clarity):
Day 1
Nocmen - 8 -Blackberry,Reck, chkflip, myko,Fate,TheJackalope, Katsuki,Banshee
Bogre- 10 -Flameaxe,Fate,TheJackalope,David,Blackberry,Elli, myko,Trekkers,xvart, Bunnylover
Day 2
myko - 3 - nocmen, katsuki, MoS
Katsuki - 8 -Fate,David, chkflip, Stranger,Reck,Oman, Nocmen,xvart
xvart- 9 -Fate,Reck, Bunnylover,TheJackalope, katsuki,Ellibereth, MoS, dramonic, chkflip
Day 3
dramonic - 5 - MoS, Nocmen, mykonian,TheJackalope, StrangerCoug
Bunny - 7 -Fate, Katsuki, chkflip,Oman,Elli,TheJackalope,David
Day 4
Bunny - 4 - Stranger, dram, nocmen, mos
Banshee- 4 -Fate, myko, bunny,TheJackalope
David- 6 -Fate, Nocmen,TheJackalope, StrangerCoug, Bunnylover, mykonian
Day 5
Katsuki - 3 - Bunnylover, mykonian,TheJackalope
TheJackalope- 6 - Nocmen, StrangerCoug, Katsuki,Banshee, chkflp, mykonian
Let's focus more on the wagons of people who are dead:
Bogre wagon was 6 town, 2 scum, plus myko and Bunny.
xvart wagon was 3 town, 1 scum, plus Bunny, katsuki, MoS, dram, and chkflip.
Banshee wagon was 2 town plus myko and Bunny
David wagon was 2 town plus Nocmen, Stranger, Bunny, and myko
TheJackalope wagon was 1 town plus Nocmen, Stranger, Katsuki, chkflip, and myko
For reference, here's the wagons on living players:
Nocmen wagon was 5 town plus chkflip, myko, and Katsuki.
myko wagon was Nocmen, Katsuki, and MoS
Katsuki wagon #1 was 4 town, 1 scum, plus chkflip, Stranger, and Nocmen.
dram wagon was 1 town plus MoS, Nocmen, myko, and Stranger
Bunny wagon #1 was 4 town, 1 scum, plus Katsuki and chkflip
Bunny wagon #2 was Stranger, dram, nocmen, and MoS (ouch I feel bad being in the company of those 3)
Katsuki wagon #2 was 1 town plus myko and Bunny
So now let's look at the living player's voting patterns:
Disclaimer: I'm not doing wagon analysis on myself, but someone else is more than willing to use the data above to look at my/scooby's patterns if they aren't yet convinced that I'm town. I'm putting this disclaimer here in good faith so that you know I'm not maliciously omitting myself from the results. Some of my conclusions may also apply to scooby's voting pattern, but since I know his/my alignment, that narrows the field for me to figure out which people exhibiting such behavior were actually possible scum.
3. StrangerCoug - On the David and Jackalope lynches, as well as the Katsuki #1, dram, and Bunny #2 wagons. Voted 4th, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 1st positions, respectively.
8. Katsuki - On the xvart and Jackalope lynches, as well as the Nocmen, myko, and Bunny #1 wagons. Voted 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 7th, and 2nd positions, respectively.
9. chkflip - On the xvart and Jackalope lynches, as well as the Nocmen, Katsuki #1, and Bunny #1 wagons. Voted 9th (Hammer), 5th, 3rd, 3rd, and 3rd positions, respectively.
11. Nocmen - On the David and Jackalope lynches, as well as the myko, dram, and Bunny #2 wagons. Voted 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd positions, respectively.
12. Dramonic - On the xvart lynch, as well as the Bunny #2 wagon. Voted 8th and 2nd positions, respectively.
17. Bunnylover - On the Bogre, xvart, and David lynches, as well as the Banshee and Katsuki #2 wagons. Voted 10th (Hammer), 3rd, 5th, 3rd, and 1st positions, respectively.
19. Mykonian - On the Bogre, David, and Jackalope lynches, as well as the Banshee, Nocmen, dram, and Katsuki #2 wagons. Voted 7th, 6th (Hammer), 6th (Hammer), 2nd, 4th, 3rd, and 2nd positions, respectively.
So let's try to draw some notable patterns and conclusions from this analysis:
3. Strangercoug was completely uninvolved in most of the early wagons throughout the game. Also did not take part in the xvart lynch.
8. Katsuki's voting patterns don't give me any real insight at this time.
9. chkflip was VERY late on the xvart lynch, but voted early and in an aggressive position on all the wagons that failed (3rd on all of them). Perfect positioning for scum not wanting to take responsibility for a mislynch (that would ideally go to the people who started the wagon).
11. Nocmen has voted aggressively on all of his wagons, and was not on the xvart lynch.
12. Dramonic has stayed off pretty much all of the wagons so far this game, except for being late to the xvart wagon and early to the Bunny wagon (understandable before Fate was revealed as governor).
17. Bunny has been on a lot of wagons, as also has been seen voting very similarly to myko this game. The early positioning on the xvart wagon (given that the other 3 came up town) suggests a possible bussing attempt, distancing by getting in on the wagon early and sheeping Fate.
19. mykonian has been wagoning almost indiscriminately this game, which begs the question of why he wasn't on the xvart lynch. Also conspicuously late voting on all the lynches, but early and aggressive voting on the other wagons.
Based on the above conclusions, I'd reevaluate my reads as follows:
3. Stranger - probably scum
8. Katsuki - neutral leaning town
9. chkflip - probably scum
11. Nocmen - neutral leaning scum
12. Dramonic - neutral
17. Bunny - probably scum
19. Mykonian - neutral leaning scum
Obviously some of these people are just bad town players rather than scum, so I'm going to try to further look into possible scumgroups. With 20 players, we probably have 4-5 scum total, which means 2-3 remaining scum. Given that we had 2 kills on Nights 1, 2, and 4, we either have an SK or a Vig as the second killing element, or 2 mafias (unlikely, given the generic scum reveals so far). This means we're likely looking for 2 mafia and 1 SK, or 3 mafia (with a vig on the town side as a counter). The lack of kills on nights 3 and 5 makes me believe we might have a vig with a conscience, since an SK doesn't really have any reason to stop killing. That's not a hard conclusion, however.
Scumgroup 1: xvart, Elli, Stranger, chkflip, Nocmen
I like this group because Elli distanced from all four of them, and both Stranger/Nocmen did not take part in the xvart lynch, whereas Elli and chkflip were both late.
Scumgroup 2: xvart, Elli, Bunny, Mykonian, Dramonic
Elli also distanced from Bunny, and was in similar position on the governed lynch when compared to the xvart lynch. The Bogre lynch shows these 4 players as 4 of the last 5 votes, which is where scum want to be when they don't want to take credit for a lynch. Bunny's positioning on the xvart wagon also smells of distancing, and it's telling that myko did not sheep her "mason buddy" Fate on the Bunny wagon. Add to that the similar voting patterns between Bunny and myko this game. Dramonic has also worked very hard to stay off most of the wagons in this game, except for showing up just in time to be on the xvart lynch, so you could plug him in here. Not sure if he is the fifth person in this group, but you could probably plug in any one of the people from scumgroup 1 or put Dramonic up in group 1 somewhere.
Right now I don't see a lot of good scenarios where Katsuki is scum. That doesn't make Katsuki cleared, but he's doing a good job of changing up his play if he *is* scum. Possible SK? Maybe, but I'm not yet convinced we have one.
Sadly, this means that pretty much anyone alive right now could easily be scum with xvart and Elli. I'd like people to answer a few questions that will help clear the air:
1) Stranger, Nocmen, and myko: Why weren't you on the xvart wagon?
2) Stranger, Dramonic: Why have you been avoiding most of the wagons in this game? (For Stranger, the question applies more to the early days, rather than the last 2 or so)
3) chkflip: Explain the discrepancy between your xvart vote and your other wagoning.
4) Katsuki: Who do you believe the remaining scumgroup is?
5) Bunny, Myko: What are your reads on each other?
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In post 1369, Bunnylover wrote:@MoS:
Before my investigation of Fate, my read on Noc was scum just on the sole purpose that I believed Fate was claiming mason with a scumbuddy.
??? Does Not Compute. Fate claimed mason with myko, not Nocmen.
Currently, I am leaning scum on Myko. The way he attacked Reck and Dram, was not in a town motion for me. I haven't forgotten about that, especially since I have a confirm town on Dram. But, Myko seems to be doing a lot more work then a lot of our town flips.
Effort doesn't equal towniness. In fact, scum often put in more effort than town BECAUSE they are scum and are trying to look as townie as possible, whereas town don't usually worry about it. That's why it's a null tell. You have to read into the motivations of a player's actions rather than just stopping at "are they putting in effort?"
Its a stupid reason, but I believed that Fate was scum claiming mason. Just like in the last game, Fate bussed his other partner. So in this game, I believed that Fate was going to bus another one of his partners, and therefore I was confident that Xvart was going to flip scum.
I thought I had explained that a little after my vote :<.
I actually agreed that Fate's claim was suspect, which is why I not only refused to lynch you when I first replaced in but I also suggested lynching one of you/Fate/Myko the next day because that trio of claims didn't seem right to me.
Also, I wasn't in the game when the xvart happened, so I didn't know what reasons you had. I didn't have time to read that in-depth. That post took me about an hour as-is...Permanent V/LA.-
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See Dating Game 2 where I as scum roleblocked a claimed vig who had said he was going to kill a townie, just to set up a situation where both the vig and the townie were lynch bait.
(Turns out the vig was an SK and he switched targets last second to try and kill my scumpartner, so that worked out well, but whatever.)
Point is, I can see a gambit where the scum leave you alive because they know they can block you.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 1378, mykonian wrote:
Lets not forget you. There was only one wagon scooby ended up with, and, hey, I'm missing my rocketwagon? He was on there too. Otherwise, apart from being at the end of the Elli wagon, scooby did very little other then filling the thread with useless rage.
No one forgot me.
In post 1366, Mastermind of Sin wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm not doing wagon analysis on myself, but someone else is more than willing to use the data above to look at my/scooby's patterns if they aren't yet convinced that I'm town. I'm putting this disclaimer here in good faith so that you know I'm not maliciously omitting myself from the results. Some of my conclusions may also apply to scooby's voting pattern, but since I know his/my alignment, that narrows the field for me to figure out which people exhibiting such behavior were actually possible scum.Permanent V/LA.-
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In the meantime, I'd like to see people giving their thoughts on these possible scumgroups (included below for reference). No need to comment on a scumgroup you're included in, because obviously you don't think it's correct. However, if you wish to substitute someone else in for yourself and argue why that scumgroup makes more sense, that's acceptable.
Scumgroup 1: xvart, Elli, Stranger, chkflip, Nocmen
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What do you say about this then, Bunny!
In post 1159, StrangerCoug wrote:David Xanatos is our best option here. I'm pretty sure he and Bunnylover are of opposing alignments and the way he's dealing with the claimed living cop and the masons points toward him being scum.Permanent V/LA.-
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If I was scum I'd have a hell of a lot better idea who I wanted to lynch right now. I'd have just picked someone easy like chkflip or StrangerCoug and ridden them all the way to lynch without bothering to take a step back and look at the game as whole.
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In post 1397, mykonian wrote:I wish I was as certain of my cases here as I was there. This game is really going nowhere.
As for people thinking I'm scummy, that seems to happen every single game. As long as they don't lynch me for it, I'm fine. It's really amazing to see that I get lynched in games where no cases are made, and I'm not lynched in games where cases form the basis. Cases catch myko scum, using gut gets myko lynched pretty much every single game. Hoopla says I'm stretching to conclusions, she's probably the best one to tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Stretching to conclusions I might be, but I do catch scum with it now and then and it always makes sense. To me at least, and to a good reader too.
Just take that big post by MoS. I really dislike it, even forgetting about scooby's and MoS's play beforehand. And I'll tell you why:
In a long game, scum have a problem compared to a short game: at some point they ran out of their targets, either because the town finds your target to by townie, or they got lynched already. In short, you need some new goals. For town, this means getting reads from posts. For scum this is harder to fake, so what is the ideal solution? A reread. A cold hard analysis which gives a set of lynch targets automatically. So, straight at the start of the day, after MoS nightkilled banshee and he had thought about the goals next day and realised he didn't know exactly where to go, he posted a bandwagon analysis. And I don't have to tell you how they can be manipulated by scum, because bandwagon analysis is such a crude way of scumhunting, as long as you are only looking at placement on the wagon. Scum are countering to that already for a long time. So MoS is looking very brilliantly scumhunting with his analysis and subsequent questions, but in fact he has just given himself a set of targets, and further bases on that post a few other posts asking questions to look active.
want to know why he just asks them to look active? Just check what his reactions on the answers are: they aren't there.
MoS states that he could have gone for an easy mislynch like SC or chkflip. I ask you, who wants to lynch SC after fate called him town based on meta? Who thinks chkflip is a good choice after he so bluntly disagreed with the direction I was taking, showing pure paranoia while the town considered me townie? Those aren't easy mislynches at all, and I honestly don't see any reason to pursue either.
TL;DR you really need to be on the MoS wagon.
Still on V/LA right now, but my first reaction to this is the absurdity of not taking into account the fact that I'm a replacement into this game that has not read this game through all the way, so the #1 best way for me to scumhunt at this point is to go back and look at trends in this game, since I'm not familiar with everything that has happened.
Additionally, there's no way in hell I would have killed Banshee, he was actually a decent lynch target. If I was scum I would have killed Bunnylover or myko. I see what you did there, though, trying to attribute the nightkill to me as if it was already a given. Sneaky.
Interesting shift here by myko/chkflip, though. I need to go back and look at their connections, I'm kinda surprised to see myko defending chkflip all of a sudden.
On a somewhat out-of-game note, if you are scum myko, I commend you for trying to take me on head to head. Sure, the scooby VI thing gives you an easy way to base your case, but it's still commendable that you aren't taking the easy way out by going after someone who has actually done something verifiable as scummy during the course of this game.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 1404, mykonian wrote:You seem to miss that the key point is that you do such a large analysis right at the start of the day. Town can do it at any point. Scum do it at the start of the day to get targets for a mislynch.
When else was I supposed to do it? Why the hell would I delay it to post it in the middle of the day? That doesn't even make sense.
The fact that you have problems with me thinking chkflip is odd to me. There wouldn't be any sane scum who would try to lynch me yesterday. It's just going to make you look bad. However, I did my share of leading and poking, and I can totally see a town be paranoid about that, since it's quite out of his control. Chkflip voting me doesn't at all make that I have to think chkflip scum.
Wait, so you think chkflip is town because he was paranoid about you, but you completely ignore the fact that he just parked his vote on you until he could hop onto the Jakobvtownwagon without any reasoning? He even TOLD us that he thought Jak was town and voted to lynch him ANYWAY! And you don't find that suspicious AT ALL!?
In post 1406, StrangerCoug wrote:In post 1403, Mastermind of Sin wrote:Additionally, there's no way in hell I would have killed Banshee, he was actually a decent lynch target. If I was scum I would have killed Bunnylover or myko.
Can you say WIFOM?
UNVOTE: chkflip
VOTE: Mastermind of Sin
I personally think Bunnylover is still on the scummy side, but beside my point.
1) Can you say OMGUS?
2) Everything in this game is WIFOM. That's the whole point of mafia. You can't just call "WIFOM" and use that as your vote reasoning. That shit is so 2005. Present us with a legitimate argument as to why I would have killed Banshee specifically, otherwise GTFO.Permanent V/LA.-
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In post 1412, mykonian wrote:In post 1411, Mastermind of Sin wrote:Scum do that because they like to push mislynches through. Letting them get away with it is how towns lose.
Town never has a reason to lynch people they think are town.
Nor do scum have a reason to vote a top town player. It's just going to look bad.
You're not a top town player. You haven't been since Fate died. Stop fooling yourself.
And I can totally see why while rereading he decided to change his read. Town are allowed to change their read.
Why no vote on chkflip if you are so eager to make sure I don't have a townread on him? You aren't pushing for his lynch, and you react on the fact that I call chkflip town.
Because I'm not sure if chkflip is the best lynch yet, but your town read on him came out of left field. Unlike you, I'm not going to go guns blazing with my vote until I have more evidence to back it up. Unlike you, I'm not just hoping to push a lynch through before people realize that I don't have shit to show for it. And unlike you, I didn't suddenly start calling someone town after this:
In post 1312, mykonian wrote:Check the post stamps. If we take 48-72 hours from the post as the maximum 72 hours, Chkflip was two hours from prod range. That was a proddodge telling us it's all very difficult to read and "oh yeah myko is still scum".Lets not do that again chk, otherwise you earn my vote. The fact that you haven't passed D2 yet and have no conclusions from those days is not a sign that you are actually trying to reread.
When chkflip was voting you, you were all about how scummy he was for doing so and how he wasn't reading the game. Now that he's changed his mind, you suddenly think he's townbecause he had been voting you? Bullshit. You've tried to justify two completely opposite reads on chkflip using the EXACT same reasoning.Permanent V/LA.-
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Unofficial Vote Count:
chkflip - 1 - Nocmen
MoS - 3 - Myko, chkflp, SC
Not Voting - 4 - MoS, dramonic, Katsuki, Bunnylover
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
With dramonic and Nocmen checking in and not piling on my wagon, I'm less inclined to think they are scum at this point. (If we have 3 scum left, that is...)
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In post 1460, Bunnylover wrote:In post 1456, Mastermind of Sin wrote:Oh btw, don't have time to make a case as I'm late for work, but I'm going to be voting Bunnylover when I get back. Just fyi that shit is scummy as hell.
But two claims from a golddigger make sense?
Especially when if you look at the death list you have:
xvart - Henry Sinclair -Security Guard- Mafia Goon - Lynched with something day 2
xRECKONERx - Derek Walker -Security Guard- Town Roleblocker - Shot Night 2
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Flameaxe - Michael Murphy -Gambler- Gambler (doc variant) - Stabbed by a roulette table spike night 1
Ellibereth - Natasha Barclay -Gambler- Mafia Goon - Shot Night 4
But just don't forget this information.
One of Chkflip or Nocmen is scum. Think its Chkflip, but thats just because Fate believed Nocmen claim.
My been lynched is like lynching a VT at the moment, so not too big of lost.
We also have:
Myko - Gambler
MoS - Student
StrangerCoug - High Roller
dramonic - Manager
Katsuki - Blackjack Dealer
Nocmen - Gold Digger
chkflip - Gold Digger
We have two dead gamblers, 1 dead student, and 1 dead high roller. By your argument, Myko, myself, StrangerCoug, and one of Nocmen/chkflip would all have to be scum because we're duplicates.
Nice try, though.
Vote: Bunnylover
The only reason Bunny is alive at this point is because...well, I have no idea actually. Bunny is alive because Fate saved her, and that's it. Fate wasn't a cop, and in this case he probably screwed us by not letting that lynch go through. Unfortunately, Oman probably felt he didn't need to counterclaim because Bunny had already been hammered.
Given the setup, the town has 1 busdriver, 1 doc variant, 1 roleblocker, 1 cop, and 1 governor. So far there are two dead mafia goons. I can't see Bunny's claim fitting into the balance here, since the town already has a LOT of power. I'm guessing the mafia probably DO have a roleblocker, and there is an SK out there since no one claimed vig. That means we're likely only searching for 2 more mafia and 1 SK, which is important to keep in mind when analyzing connections.
My gut would be to go back to my original analysis and conclude that myko/bunny are the remaining mafia, but I'm going to wait for Bunny's flip before putting too much trust in that read.Permanent V/LA.-
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