As I always say, I'm against random votes. We should talk our way into a lynch.
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I would never say Y. It's stupid.Yosarian2 wrote:"all cops said X, all vanillia townies said Y, all masons said Z"
I don't think it could help us now, but I think that the restrictions might help us in the future. Just a thought.
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It is a possibility that all the ones with the same restrictions are in the same group (Mafia, Town, whatever), but I think it is more probable that it's made this way to get us confused.
As I said before, people copy-paste things, especially if they're long.
Also:
Sounds like a weird excuse.Twomz wrote:I wonder if we get modkilled for posting anticommunist or antimaoist thoughts...
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Or even better: Ask your mod.mystery meat of doom wrote:If you were unsure then reading the instructions and your role pm again would be good.
I did say that the restrictions could mean groups, but I also said that it is more probable that it doesn't. Some kind of a mod's WIFOM. You know, for the fun of it.
Can we get avote count?
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Assumptions are very dangerous. As it happens, more and more people are assuming you're mafia.Twomz wrote:Anyways i'll say it again. *I don't have a posting restriction*. I wasn't trying to confuse anyone. I just assumed since everyone else was doing it, that they were doing it because of flavor, or there was something i missed in the first post. After reading it again i see there is nothing there about posting procommunist quotes. I'm sorry that tried to role play in a mafia game... it'll probably happen again.
Another lame excuse. I don't want to vote, but as it goes you're the most scummy...
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"I'm the pro-town cop, with the same restriction as the pro-town doc. I tell it to you all, because I'm pro-town and I have nothing to worry about". Both get killed in the next two nights.Pug89 wrote:if the quotes do mean something and he is protown he would have nothing to worry about.
Twomz is digging himself into a hole. A big hole. So big, it stops being scummy and starts being plain stupid. Every time we kill some one that acts so weird we find out he's a cop/doc.UnFOS.-
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We cherish them with all our hearts and other vital organs we want to keep to ourselves.Bacde wrote:So, what does everyone think about the Maoists?
What does that question supposed to mean?
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What do you mean by that? I really think a Mao influenced cult would represent the mafia. That's the flavor of this game. What you're saying is pretty obvious...Thok wrote:There is also the possibility of a Mao influenced cult (the term cult of personality comes up a lot in Wikipedia's articles about the Cultural Revolution).-
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So it works the other way around: The mafia gets itself bigger rather than getting the town smaller?Thok wrote:Y, I'm going to assume you don't know what a cult is (in the mafia sense).
Mafia=evil group that kills townies
Cult=evil group that converts townies into cultists.
Now that the restriction idea was put aside (it doesn't matter why), where do we go from here?
As thedocsalive said, which is the same thing I said earlier, Twomz seems so scummy that it passed the line between scummy and stupid.
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Point taken. I just think the night could give us some info. Lynching someone could help too.Bacde wrote:No, I don't think no lynch would be a good possibility. Killing scum is never as probable as killing town. If it is just as probable, or more probable, we'd have something to worry about.
This is the only thing I can see as useful (Except of Twomz, but I said what I think about it already).Vaughn wrote:So Thok is stating that we have possibly 3 groups here? It's probable, with a game this large.
This sentence can be interpreted in three different ways:
1. Vaughn knows there are three "Scum groups".
2. Vaughn wants us to believe Thok knows there are three "Scum groups".
3. It has nothing into it and I'm getting really paranoid.
There are two options that show Vaughn as scum.
Although it is really vague, it could be a start (It's at least as good as the accusations on Twomz). It's better than roll a dice and lynch someone.
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You know when something's funny, then not funny and then hilarious? Well, Twomz works the same - Scummy, not scummy, really scummy.
We see he can talk like a normal player, but most of the time he's weird instead.Twomz wrote:The mod just pointed out that he changed the vote count, he probably just missed the number. While i understand the need to clarify the vote count, revealing a possible doublevoter to the mafia is a bad idea. (when i see mistakes like that, i try to PM the mod, not post it in the thread, just in case it is a doublevote).
ReFOS Twomz. If the unswer for this post is another weird post - You get a vote.
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Reading Ameliaslay's post (The quote, actually) made me notice something:
I would rephrase the quote as "You see, I make up quotes all the time. The first one isn't weird".Twomz wrote:"Die Capitalist Pigdogs, your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries."
Upgrade toFoS+(If it didn't exist, I just invented it). Twomz's next post will determine whether I'll vote or not.-
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I'm just carefull. I don't like to vete until I'm sure of what I'm doing. People that know my style will tell you I'm always like this.Glork wrote:So basically what you're saying is, "Twomz is scum but since I'm his scumbuddy, I'm going to give him yet another post to allow him to bail himself out." ;P-
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Twomz, you're avoiding my post. Either you didn't care enaugh to reply or you have no answer (Or you're trying, successfully, to get yourself killed). Whatever it is, I think that's enaugh toVote Twomz.
So you're the one not under the influence of narcotics... Scum!feuerdrache wrote:Am I the only one here not under the influence of narcotics?
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First of all, I didn't say you didn't answer. I said you were avoiding - You're not saying anything to explain your weird behavior.Twomz wrote:Answer to what? I see no question, only a post that quotes an opinion of mine and asks for an answer. If you ask me a question, i may answer it... but if the question goes unasked, it will also go unanswered... damn capitalists and their agendas...
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I don't think your view on doublevoters is scummy, I think that your way of posting is scummy. The quote was there to show that you're not a 10-years old that doesn't know how to play (You proved that with the doublevoters post), but you keep posting like one.
It looks like you're trying to remain active without making any point, so you'll remain out of any suspicious thing if you need to.
The mafia knows who's townie. The ones who should know are the town, so they wont lynch him and take his opinions as more reliable ones. Mafia kills non-mafia, townies use knowledge to kill non-town. The only exception is power roles, which shouldn't be revealed unless the circumstances dictate so.Twomz wrote:a confirmed townie-
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I thought about that. Assuming they don't win together (or else they would be the same group), I think the mafia would kill any one not in their group.CES wrote:That's assuming there's only one BG group. In games this size that's generally not the case.
Correct me if that's not the case.
Said the man who started the bandwagon...Glork wrote:....so why isn't Twomz dead yet?FoS.
We have a scummy poster and someone defending him with irrelevant facts. Interesting...Vaughn wrote:Why does everyone like to pick on twomz?
This is the third game now that Twomz under heavy fire from you bandwagoners.
Despicable I say, because he more than often (75%) turns out to be a townie.FoS.
And now we have someone that votes for the first one who voted against Vaughn right after the post I just quoted. Do we have a whole group?The Unwritten wrote:How does that work?
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Actually, this is the most "incriminating" post as I see it. We see a player who proves himself to be able to act as all the other players, but instead he acts in a weird way. A way in which you could never guess what side he's with.thedocsalive wrote:
This post seems very pro-town to me, as I agree with his view. But this isn't one of the posts "incriminating" him as scum, so there's not much else to be said.Twomz in post 136 wrote:The mod just pointed out that he changed the vote count, he probably just missed the number. While i understand the need to clarify the vote count, revealing a possible doublevoter to the mafia is a bad idea. (when i see mistakes like that, i try to PM the mod, not post it in the thread, just in case it is a doublevote).
@ Vaughn:
I'll use the same logic as you do. This is my style. Slow play, long time to make decisions. I'm not distancing, I'm pointing out everything I could think of as "scummy" to have a reference if needed.
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I think the vote count is a little off... I voted and people changed their votes. I believe it is possible to unvote, since people had done it already (Unless something has changed since the last vote count).
@ Vaughn: I know I might act a little different than everybody else, but remember that I don't have the experience everybody here has (This is my third game, first big one, first non-newb one). I might think something's important when it isn't. I might overlook things. Sorry for being unexperienced, but I can't change that except by playing, and that's what I'm doing.-
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Can we get an updated vote count?
If this is Fritzler's normal play style, I'llunvote, vote Bacdefor jumping on a completely illogical bandwagon.Fos TSAGodfor the same reason. I alsofos Fritzler.
¿Si tanto te gusta hablar en Español, porque no escrives enunciados con mas de dos palabras?
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Just to be sure, I reread the whole thread and compiled an updated vote count. Here it is:
Bacde:4 (Cogito Ergo Sum, Y, Yosarian2, Pug89).
Y:4 (TSAGod, Twomz, LoudMouthLee, Bacde).
Twomz:4 (chamber, Ameliaslay, mystery meat of doom, Thok).
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Vaughn:2 (BabyJesus, Tamuz).
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Why? Because someone voting with no apparent reason, and then someone else votes saying the reasons of the first one are good, then two other people join with the same reasoning ("Fritzler said so"), while the one that started the whole thing (Fritzler) has already moved on to another player is somewhat illogical.Bacde wrote:Tell me Y: Why is your bandwagon Illogical?
I can't prove myself as town yet, so theoretically I could be mafia. But that doesn't mean that a bandwagon based on circular logic isn't illogical.
The only logic behind something like that is that any bandwagon has some percentage to hit mafia.
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5 votes in less than 12 hours with no other reason than "Fritzler said so" is a rapidly growing baseless bandwagon.Bacde wrote:A rapidly growing bandwagon? You moron, the most his votes were at was 5, soon overwhelmed by the bandwagon against me.
we did:Bacde wrote:You want the reason I voted for him? Heres a fucking hint: READ WHAT I'VE SAID.
Your reason is "Fritzler said so".Bacde wrote:Actually Fritzler has a point.Unvote: Glork; Vote: Y
Bacde wrote:Honestly, with LML and Fritzler and BJ on Y, I figured they were on to something, and I decided to help out the best players in our game.
So 3 random votes are really a good base to go on now days... Interesting...
Now that I think about that, LML had a not so random vote:
Sorry for being mistaken. The votes did have a logical explanation.LML wrote:Yes, I'm lazy and only wanted to type one letter.
Of course it's better, it has only one letter instead of a full name. And Fritzler said so.Bacde wrote:I've told both the push and pull factors in my switching my vote: my current vote at the time was stupid, the Y vote was better.
Not all of them. Just the ones that have good reasons.Bacde wrote:And how does me not feeling any other bandwagon make me less scummy? In your opinion, should I just jump on every single wagon there is? IS THAT progress to you?
So you do have a good reason after all. Too bad you got to it a week too late, basing yourself on the outcome of your own vote. I think we should do it all the time: We vote for someone, and if he defends himself we were right and our vote is a good one. Wait, someones calling me... Sorry to announce that the system already exists and it's called "Bacde wrote:Is no one suspicious of this retarded bandwagon against me, or how fast it has grown? Personally, I think Y is a good direction to go, mainly because his vote against me seemed only to be to save his own skin. That seems scummier to me than anything anyone else has done this game.Random Voting".
Sorry, this was at the end of your post. But if you want, you can read the post again, thinking that it's the answer to your question.Bacde wrote:You want to know what I want to hear? Tell my why my vote change was scummy? I've refuted all of your stupid, idiotic statements against me. What scummy actions did my vote change resemble? Tell me please how I was scummy.
So stop being scummy.Bacde wrote:Too many people are just joining this idiotic backwards bandwagon just because they see it as the easy way to go. I doubt there is anything you can say to refute that, because that is the truth.I'm tired of being bandwagoned d1.So screw you.-
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@ Bacde: Thanks, learned something new.
The change itself is scummy, but the way you defend it after you were proven wrong is much scummier. Instead of admiting that it was just a random vote and move on, you keep pushing a dead bandwagon with reasons proved wrong. Really proved wrong.
Another thing I just noticed:
You unvoted Glork to vote for me.Bacde wrote:my current vote at the time was stupid, the Y vote was better.
Possible reasons to vote for Glork: Starting and pushing a Twoms bandwagon.
Reasons to vote for me: "Fritzler said so".
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5 votes is what it got before it was stopped, but it was growing really fast untill then. You did vote while it was "Rapidly growing".Bacde wrote:Agains, 5 votes, max. You already pointed out yourself that all of them left immediately. You use contradictory arguments against me.
You didn't.Bacde wrote:Yes. You found me out. Oh no. Now if you can find the place where I said 'Frizler has all responsibility for my vote', then I would understand this bandwagon.Iam the one saying there's nothing besides "Fritzler said so". You keep saying "My vote has a better basis than that", althoug it have none.
Instead of saying "Sorry, I didn't read" and unvote, you're pushing it more.Bacde wrote:I'll honestly tell you that I didn't know they were random. Make what you want of it. At least I'm happy with my vote now though.
I addresed it in my last post, actually. Unvoting for some one currently pushing a bandwagon so you can join a bandwagon which you don't know the reasons for (Or else you would know they're random votes), doesn't seem a good "Pull factor".Bacde wrote:You forgot the pull factors, but thanks for trying to make me look stupid and scummy with your sass. Again, my current vote sucked, as it was random. And I wasn't feeling any of the idiotic (Twomz) wagons.
Just reminding:Bacde wrote:Then GTFO my bandwagon. I switched 1 vote. I didn't even try to get others on the freaking bandwagon. You are trying to get others on my bandwagon. THERE IS A MAJOR FUCKING DIFFERENCE.Bacde wrote:Personally, I think Y is a good direction to go, mainly because his vote against me seemed only to be to save his own skin. Thatseems scummier to me than anything anyone else has done this game.
Of course they can, buy it could lead to people voting for them. For example:Bacde wrote:Wait, people aren't allowed to defend themselves? I don't even know what you are trying to fucking say here, but I'll assume it holds more of your sass, craplogic, and sarcastic comical statements directed at me to make me look stupid here too. Yes, I will defend my vote that I have now. I have told you both the reasons why I switched my vote, and why I am keeping it. You aren't making yourself look better.Bacde wrote:Personally, I think Y is a good direction to go, mainly because his vote against me seemed only to beto save his own skin.than anything anyone else has done this game.Thatseems scummier to me
But:Bacde wrote:Also: You use contradictory arguments here.My vote on you was at start, semi-randomin the fact that I didn't think I would be keeping it there for long.
And I'm the one making "Contradictory arguments".Bacde wrote:my current vote at the timewas stupid, the Y vote wasbetter.
No. We're voting for you because you already had some votes on you, as oposed to "I voted because Fritzler, LML and BJ were voting for him already".Bacde wrote:Yet, my vote on you was scummy, but other's on me isnt?
I'm waiting.Bacde wrote:Yet to be answered...
Why I added it? To make you angry. An angry post tells much more than a well thought one.Bacde wrote:So start using logic, and stop your 'wit' please. I'd also like to know why you even included this part, because it doesn't add to your case at all. You just had to finish your speech with a note of sarcasm to gain votes on me? Sigh.-
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Just two things:
1. I didn't say Glork wasn't random vote. I just say that at the moment it was better than the other vote (Against me), even if it was random. You didn't choose to vote for him for a reason, but there is a better reason to keep voting for him than to swich to me.
2. Could you repeat the question? I'm not sure what you're talking about.
I might got a little bit too exited, but I really enjoy this kind of mind games.
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I don't think a mafioso would stick so long and so clearly to a lynch. It's so scummy that any mafia would avoid it.
Thank you all for helping mafia to get power roles and for helping them claim "Chinese Peasant" to clear themselves.
If there's something I've noticed in all the games I played before (Not much, all noob. But still), is that every time there is some one who's so pro-town that turns out mafia. I think thedocsalive is starting going that way. By the way, he concluded that Twoms is town because of the restriction, but didn't say anything about "Chinese Peasant", although he claims to be one himself.FoS thedocsalive.
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One kill and a dead SK.
[quote="Hop Shui"]Half a dozen thugs[/quote]
Does that say we have six mafiosos? If so, is it possible to have any other killing group? How probable is that we also have a clan?
Thok's posting restriction was sent to him after mlaker got killed, so I guess we have at least another SK.
So, what do we have?
Killing group 1: Yes. Apparently six mafiosos.
Killing group 2: Possible.
SK 1: Killed.
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My post just has possibilities. I summed it up just to have a reference when we try to figure what we're standing against.
You can see that the only thing I labeled as sure is the killing group.
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That could also suggest that we have 6 mafiosos (7, if we count Lin Biao).Thok wrote:As for our remaining scum group, I assume that we still have to deal with the Gang of Four, which strangely enoughinvolves 6 people. We also have to worry about Lin Biao.-
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At least we can use that to know people that become converted, so we can lynch them afterwards. If I understand this right, once converted they win with the Maoists, so they wouldn inform their family anyway. At least we now have a way to know who got converted.Glork wrote:
Yes.Tamuz wrote:CES will your daughter cease being able to communicate with you if she is turned?
By the way, if the conversion thing was specifically mentioned in the role PMs, we can assume that we do have a cult.-
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If the cult recruits at random, they have some unwished possibilities:Twomz wrote:@ Y: Anyone who gets "confirmed" should be watched to make sure they don't get turned yes... but why would they recruit a vanilla? Wouldn't they rather recruit a power role? But, since there was no outed power role yesterday, me and doc are still suspects.
1. Choosing a mason, which are unconvertible.
2. Choosing a mason's child - Will be lynched immediately.
3. Choosing a power role, which sometimes end in the recruiter's death (As far as I know).
4. Choosing a vanilla town - They have a new member.-
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The town did gain something: The knowledge of a method to find converted people. The problem is that we could have find that after the first one got converted and lynched. Without letting the cult know that the "Parents" should be dead first.Yosarian2 wrote:Otherwise, how did you expect the town to gain by finding that information out?
@ VisMaior: We're assuming that we have a cult because the masons' role PMs specifically say something about conversion. My post was an explanation to "Why revealing all the information about masons isn't so good".
@ The Unwritten: We should worry about that. Maybe not now that we have many people left, but in the late game it becomes crucial. You can't expect to have the same luck we had Day 1 every day.
"It doesn't matter if there are more mafiosos than you think" isn't the kind of logic we should use if we want to win this one...
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