STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Not Chara]

...because Loopdan had to replace out of all his games, and obviously felt bad about it?
also, because we were waiting for that catchup and now have to wait again. not that i'm moving my vote, but it certainly would have been helpful.

Okay the first explanation makes sense.
But giving me another one is scummy.

Especially since you're already voting there, you're convinced he's scum, yea?

how arbitrary. both are the reason.
yes, i'm pretty sure that slot is scum. reads and thoughts from scum are useful. they're also useful if one turns out to be wrong, or for reevaluating based on new information.

[Not Chara]

Arbitrary no.

It's a fake reaction.

okay.

[Not Chara]

Cerb: thoughts on Shiro, CoolDog's slot, Twin Wings, fuzzy?
do you agree with the notion that most/all of the current active posters are town?

[Not Chara]

the two statements were not meant to be related.
i disagree, all of the players have enough content. not a lot, but both fuzzy and Seraphim put down content.
Shiro themself is actually the one who proposed the idea of abilities matching town more than scum fakeclaims.

[Not Chara]

to word it differently: do you feel that scum is, for the most part, taking a backseat?
i agree about Shiro. what you've said about them has been said before.

why does it matter that Shiro's abilities match what you think their flavour is, if you agree that the argument that it's towny doesn't make sense because of Varsoon's statements?

[Not Chara]

Cerb: i don't think they've provided enough content to be considered... as having put in effort.

but

there is enough there to be read.
your thoughts on the fuzzy/Seraphim slot are an example of what i find useful information. (for the purposes of my reading you) i simply can't read you without thoughts like that. thoughts on the game mechanics don't help me, because those are largely NIA.

fuzzy and Cerb: i asked because i'm townreading all of Almost50, grapes, Titus, farside, and fuzzy. so either one of those is wrong or scum is taking a backseat. you're right in that most of the game isn't doing too much right now. i think having a group of strong townreads is as important as looking for scum outside of it.

[Not Chara]

kraska posted in the hood today. but yes, i don't think that counts for the purposes of main thread prod-timers.

i'm headed to sleep now.

[Not Chara]

haven't read the most recent pages.
MathBlade: welcome to the game!

Skybird: okay. thank you for the answer. i'm guessing that's a final 'no details on what Foxbird was like in the hood', then?

[Not Chara]

i just gave Creature a quick check. he really hasn't been explaining any of his hops, besides the obligatory 'here is why i'm doing this so you don't ask me'.

he didn't vote you saying your reads were shitty, apparently. he voted you for farside's meta on you.
Creature: walk me through what wagons and pushes you

didn't

join, and why?

[Not Chara]

Peridot isn't corrupted. Almost50's research is correct, though.

[Not Chara]

a misunderstanding of what being a villain in Steven Universe is. unless Peridot was somehow corrupted through the course of this game and Klingon knows it. but that seems incredibly unlikely.

[Not Chara]

Titus, i'll answer you later. i haven't really read Math.

TWIE: you're right. i don't think i ever made a followup. i might have just thought about doing it. but Cerb did, later. asking you for some useful input.

[Not Chara]

why is Seraphim/fuzzy scum?

when did you start disagreeing with lycan's scumread of me? or did you ever agree?

[Not Chara]

The Peridot role I think is like one of the roles we had last game where it could be either town or scum. Knowing Vasoon he prob set up to be that way ( Jerk ). Also Vasoon said the game can not be broken by flavor and I really believe that, Yall can try to keep tryig to guess
the Peridot alignment if you want but I think it is pointless

Welcome Math

Kras can you explain your scum reads.... thanks

i agree, this Peridot discussion really isn't leading anywhere. and i don't believe the game is breakable by flavour. that discussion really needs to stop.

[Not Chara]

that's not how it works driedgrapes
explain ur scumpool first

Wow it's almost like you called them shit just to call them shit because it doesn't seem like you were ready/willing to have a conversation about this.

have you considered that maybe my problem with your reads is i cant see where theyre coming from?

Lynch this slot with all due haste.

This is either scum theatre with grapes or just outright scum by Kraskaesque

No player says that it's a problem with your reads is that they can't see where they are coming from. And they are asking politely if they've considered no. This is likely scum lynch it.

Left off on post 553.

was kraska scumreading grapes here fully, or just pressing them? Math, which did you think it was?

[Not Chara]

@fuzzy

i also think seraphim is really suspicious- in 1189 i really dislike his reads on farside and mcmenno. i was really liking farside the longer she stayed on OBK but how she has been reacting to not chara might put her around town lean... i think mcmenno is a lazy scumlean from people that want to get something started but don't want to put in the work to do it. menno seems like pretty good bait if he doesn't turn off noise posts in general. but if you want to take that bait, i want to see someone commit to it, and press it. furthermore his pressure on lurkers felt uninspired. if you want to go for a lurker i'd cheer for you, but he didn't, and instead threw doubt on TWIE and Xkfyu. i don't know how to describe how mundane it felt reading that... it was like seraphim wanted to come up with a reads list and confused it with the groceries they wanted to get from the store. yes please i would like two scum from this absent shelf over here.

seraphim later votes menno citing they hate them more than sircakez, and when poked by mastin about it he says they could "both could very possibly be scum" (1535) then goes into how great their reads of town motive and authenticity are while asking for mastin's mcmenno read. mastin obliges and says that seraphim is looking at one angle and that she personally feels a lack of instristic motive either way. at that point we're promised a substantial post, but i think "your reads are shit" would have sufficed if seraphim thought otherwise.

hm. ok, i understand where you're coming from here. i don't know if i agree, but i would have to read Seraphim's posts with this in mind to be sure.

that, and i've only gotten good or neutral feelings from fuzzy since he replaced in.

[Not Chara]

She said she investigated me and I came back Scum.

Right... here's my Daycop claim too LOL

ignoring clinging, do you have any reads. thoughts on the gamestate? any?

[Not Chara]

I will have a substantial post tomorrow, a lot of stuff to deal with today.

This is definitely scum

this is a generic post i've seen several times. and i've been on this site for a month. it indicates 'about to flake or replace out', and not much else. have you never seen town say this?

[Not Chara]

gonna get to this later today/tomorrow

tomorrow for sure

yo, was hungover yesterday (bars will do that to you), and today I just finished a hellish day involving no less that 8 hours of class time and 4 hours of reading. I can probably get something to you guys tomorrow, but I also have to ref some games. I will read as much as I can though. sorry.

This is also scum

but three times is different. why is Seraphim's one promise of catchup + replace just as scummy as CoolDog's three promises + replace?

[Not Chara]

I will have a substantial post tomorrow, a lot of stuff to deal with today.

This is definitely scum

this is a generic post i've seen several times. and i've been on this site for a month. it indicates 'about to flake or replace out', and not much else. have you never seen town say this?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more frequently from scum - unfulfilled promises of read are super-scummy because scum are bored, they aren't fired up by the scumhunting challenge.

are you bored?
this sounds correct, but coming from you... it's a bit funny. :>

pedit: a read i agree with. why?

[Not Chara]

Math: answer my question involving kraska and grapes' interaction, please.

[Not Chara]

can you conceive a situation where one is trying to figure out a read and asking questions like that?
what you would do isn't every player in the game.

what made you think kraska was scumreading grapes there as opposed to attempting to sort them?

[Not Chara]

DGB is selectively responding to game events in general, Cerb.

i'd have to read the specifics of your event again to have opinions. i will, later.

[Not Chara]

sorry. i'm sick this morning. a lot of discussion here i've only skimmed.

i don't believe DGB's ally cop claim. at all.
and i already told kraska i would be allying with them again.

really, i could see Shiro flipping either way at this point. i don't know. i can't parse most meta arguments.

but last night i checked the first Steven Universe again, specifically CoolDog's ISO, under recommendation. the near-flakes and promises appear to be NIA for him. at least for that game?

Mathblade's claim is a strange scum role. i wouldn't see the utility when blindly using it. but i don't know if i'm able to make a judgement about that.

but i'm not moving my vote. the thoughts above only come to more NIA.

[Not Chara]

the first SU had a sort of copycat scum role. so the claim is very NIA.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: DGB

i'm still a suck for AtE. grapes, do you have that noted?
i feel the day ending now would be a bad thing. not the only reason for the switch.
would scum Math say what they did about being asked to replace in?
would explain more but sick as i said. you'll have to wait.

[Not Chara]

what slots will farside and Titus fight over with meaningless potshots on day 3? find out next week, folks.

[Not Chara]

Maybe instead on snarky at me, you might want to, you know, read the game and give views instead of whining.

Hmmmm, I mean this is solid advice but what I am doing seems to be working so far so.... I might ,you know, stick with it.

or you could not do that.
reading the game and giving views would be excellent.

[Not Chara]

farside: why do i feel like you said something similar yesterday? ;>

[Not Chara]

Math has been the towniest player to occupy that slot so far. which is not a big accomplishment, but is worth noting.
i don't like their reads but they should not be hammered not when they are actively doing their best to catch up. i disliked lines where Math said they knew they would be mislynched, and language where they referred to themselves and the town as 'us townies'.
but the anger upon the 'hammer', what they said about being asked to replace in... and really. their entire vibe makes them seem like they want to get their thoughts down.

[Not Chara]

Shiro: forgive me. i knew you were responding with a light attitude but i'd still like you to note your thoughts.

[Not Chara]

So Titus, why is math scum that has nothing to do with cooldog?

You mean where Math says lynch kraska right now, but never votes them?
The awkward push on me that's recanted after the vouch but then Math starts trying to postulate that all 3 of Mastina, Yume and I are scum.
The constant complaints about lack of time to copy paste the player list and label who is town or scum but they have the opportunity to suck up to your baseless attack on Shiro.
The terrible OMGUS on grapes.
The copying of Cakey's pushback on me.
The complete lack of suspicion that you're whiteknighting them.

1) Math was catching up.
2) do you really see Math scum grasping at straws enough to start casting doubt on confirmed slots? if anything, that's town paranoia.
3) you have a point here. but is Math concerned with looking town (expects mislynch) or with informed reads?
4) eh. you have a point. but as an OMGUSer myself i can't pass judgement without rereading the exchange, which i don't remember as well as i do Math's other posts.
5) sorry, could you rephrase? i don't know what that means.
6) now, this is a shaky point. not every player is going to suspect other players who are defending them when they're busy being angry at what they feel is unfair treatment.

thanks for this point list. it's turned my bad feeling into a townread on the slot.

pedit: actually, Cakez had a giving up vibe. he was angry, but a different kind. i don't see that here.
i'll respond to the gut reads thing in another post.

[Not Chara]

gut reads: they're reads that haven't been thought about. quick reads. speaking from experience, gut reads can change dramatically when they are revisited.
i'm not even sure how useful they are at this point. they're useful for looking back on after a scum flip. scum could have patterns for their 'gut' readslist that give information about their buddies. from town they're about as useful informationally as reading players based on how nice they are would be.

but that's my opinion. i don't know how Math feels about them. but if Math concedes to give those gut reads, would it help you read them? does listening to a player's thread requests make someone town?

i feel as if i've stepped into 'Chara is acting weird again' territory. oops. :>

i also don't think i was reading Math properly when they first replaced in. i really didn't examine their posts in a critical light until you brought up the points.

[Not Chara]

legitimately thought i was rereading my own post for a second there.

[Not Chara]

by itself, your first and last points should have been enough to tell you for certain what Math's alignment is. did you bring them up when they occured, or only after farside asked?

[Not Chara]

Please don't go nc, I have a question for you that I don't want to be swallowed by spam.

haven't gone anywhere.

[Not Chara]

they aren't similar. Klingon was joking, as far as i can tell. is that really the post Shiro was talking about? it wouldn't even be a slip if she was claiming that seriously.

but why is Klingon asking for clarification on whether a player has claimed CG or not?

[Not Chara]

i don't think Shiro's push there in particular was scummy. it also is really not a slip, unless there is another post where Klingon forgets ghat isn't this one.

[Not Chara]

Shiro, Almost50

- are you guys claiming Crystal Gems?

Uhm no?

I just corrected your flavour. Peridot is not a corrupt gem. Not at the point in time this game is based on.

A50 said he was Peridot one time.

You seem to also have access to Peridot. Are you therefore claiming to be Crystal Gems?

Klingon: has a lot of leaps in flavour logic that don't make sense. for one, peridot is the only gem character besides Steven who has ever, in the show, used the internet. if the role is moving around, it has nothing in particular to do with any one group in the show, barring additional information.
she also has confused corruption for being scum in this game. corruption doesn't mean evil, it's a mental and physical condition that can affect gems.

here, she is obviously separating Crystal Gem claims from 'aligned with town' claims. if she thought CG = aligned with earth, she would not have said this.

[Not Chara]

Klinon doesnt know the flavour, this is evident by calling peridot a corrupt gem, it is tied to the reason this is a slip.

It wasn't a joke post. She used Crystal gem in place of town, which is false and would only be correct if you didn't know the town alignment(by not being town or reading the sample pm) and just knew that this was the town faction in the previous game.

Klingoncelt was a part of both of the previous Steven Universe games. one used "Crystal Gems", and every character was a gem. the other used "Beach City Residents" and contained a mix.
but that doesn't matter, because Klingon has clearly separated the Crystal Gems from a simple 'town' or 'earth' claim. otherwise she wouldn't have been

asking

about them, like in the quote.

[Not Chara]

Btw farside, that thing you are accusing Titus of doing ?


YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT THAT .


You defended almost and answered everything for him

Now you are defending Klingon before she even got the chance to see my accusation.

Who is giving who outs now ?

it's a... bad accusation. it is just wrong. there really isn't anything besides that.
i don't even want to be defending Klingon here, when i'd much rather know why she's so interested in knowing if a player is claiming to be a Crystal Gem.
but there was no slip.

Titus: i don't know. because we can talk about things besides the player we're actively talking about lynching?

[Not Chara]

It isn't unlikely that she was fishing for strong PRs because gems are likely to be superior to humans, and then made the mistake to call herself a crystal gem as town because of the prequal game.

hm, ok. you have a point with the first part, it's the same issue i have there. it would be bad, blatant fishing, but it's still a point.
if she was

actually

doing that, though. there would really be no way for her to make such a ridiculous mistake. you don't fish for a kind of PR and then mistakenly call yourself that kind of PR when meaning to call yourself town. not when she was in

both

previous games, not just the later one.

[Not Chara]

Shiro, Almost50

- are you guys claiming Crystal Gems?

Uhm no?

I just corrected your flavour. Peridot is not a corrupt gem. Not at the point in time this game is based on.

A50 said he was Peridot one time.

You seem to also have access to Peridot. Are you therefore claiming to be Crystal Gems?

Klingon: has a lot of leaps in flavour logic that don't make sense. for one, peridot is the only gem character besides Steven who has ever, in the show, used the internet. if the role is moving around, it has nothing in particular to do with any one group in the show, barring additional information.
she also has confused corruption for being scum in this game. corruption doesn't mean evil, it's a mental and physical condition that can affect gems.

here, she is obviously separating Crystal Gem claims from 'aligned with town' claims. if she thought CG = aligned with earth, she would not have said this.

I think that someone said corrupt gem instead on crystal gems.
Can you explain how you got the rest of this conclusion.

Titus: I explained my math town read, stop faking that I didn't or stop faking that my opinion matters if you can't bother to read my post.

i can't grab quotes right now, but essentially:

Klingon said Peridot could not be a town role, to her. unless she has information i don't, this is really wrong.
but when called out by.. someone i can't remember (Yume?), for saying that Peridot is a corrupted, she said she got that information from reading the thread. therefore, she was confusing scum for being 'corrupted'. she was calling whoever was controlling Peridot scum, and used 'corrupted' to mean the same thing.

[Not Chara]

Klinon doesnt know the flavour, this is evident by calling peridot a corrupt gem, it is tied to the reason this is a slip.

It wasn't a joke post. She used Crystal gem in place of town, which is false and would only be correct if you didn't know the town alignment(by not being town or reading the sample pm) and just knew that this was the town faction in the previous game.

Klingoncelt was a part of both of the previous Steven Universe games. one used "Crystal Gems", and every character was a gem. the other used "Beach City Residents" and contained a mix.
but that doesn't matter, because Klingon has clearly separated the Crystal Gems from a simple 'town' or 'earth' claim. otherwise she wouldn't have been

asking

about them, like in the quote.

I thought, and I maybe wrong, it was about races.
It's been a bit since I played and I'm Earth race but I recall gems had a race....I'll double check that.

humans are residents of earth. and human, obviously.
gems are aliens. their race is 'gem'.
Crystal Gems are gems that have forsaken their Homeworld, and now call earth home.
corrupted gems are any gems (Crystal or otherwise) that have been twisted by some sort of magic into a beast-like form.

[Not Chara]

Humans are humans, people living on earth.


Aligned with earth is people who want to protect earth (Crystal gems and humans)

Threats to earth are probably homeworld gems.

Cause of Doc Ruby, I doubt corrupted gems are in the same faction(doesn't make sense) so if we do have corrupted gems, they are 3rd party.

i wouldn't make assumptions like that. in the first game, the Light Prism from the Steven Universe mobile game was aligned with a Red Eye, Jasper and Peridot.

and

Centipeedle, who had never met either and was barely an antagonist, to the point that the Centipeedle player wasn't given a fakeclaim.

pedit: yes Shiro, i didn't see your post. sorry.

[Not Chara]

No it really isn't ok. People are having trouble catching up. The day needs to end. We shouldn't be stalling with bullshit anymore.

i've already resigned myself to this game being Titus vs. farside forever, until one of you dies.

i'm not convinced by your Math case, and i think they're town. engage me on that. you've only been talking to farside about it.

[Not Chara]

It isn't unlikely that she was fishing for strong PRs because gems are likely to be superior to humans, and then made the mistake to call herself a crystal gem as town because of the prequal game.

hm, ok. you have a point with the first part, it's the same issue i have there. it would be bad, blatant fishing, but it's still a point.
if she was

actually

doing that, though. there would really be no way for her to make such a ridiculous mistake. you don't fish for a kind of PR and then mistakenly call yourself that kind of PR when meaning to call yourself town. not when she was in

both

previous games, not just the later one.

Again the rolling eyes indicated it was a joke.
Why is that even a debate?

are you telling me this? i know it was.
Klingon was asking about them Crystal Gems before the 'Crystal Gem miller' comment.

[Not Chara]

Nc: one more question.

you could simply ask the questions instead of warning me about them beforehand. ;>

Humans are humans, people living on earth.


Aligned with earth is people who want to protect earth (Crystal gems and humans)

Threats to earth are probably homeworld gems.

Cause of Doc Ruby, I doubt corrupted gems are in the same faction(doesn't make sense) so if we do have corrupted gems, they are 3rd party.

I think it's save to assume that the scum faction are the rubies and that there's a traitor, Jasper

I'll assume that until we have a non-ruby or jasper scumflip

i think you're entirely wrong. i'm tired of arguing about flavour. one scum flip doesn't mean that this entire game will be based on one arc of the show. did you forget the

Cluster

event? that was an entire season before the Rubies ever showed up.
so many assumptions in this game, so little time.

pedit: Shiro, unless the Rubies were secretly involved in the Cluster, it really does

not

make sense. we don't know. stop assuming. especially if you're going to use those assumptions for other players when reading them. i don't think you're doing this, but i'm trying to cover my bases.

[Not Chara]

Here's my question/concern.
Tit's on 2 different people had indicated how scummy it is not to give reads or explain a read but when Shiro doesn't explain she doesn't push Shiro to respond or get it done or get umber aggressive on Shiro.
Can you tell me why that's not suspicious.
Putting the fact that Cakez was scum and others pushed that too to the side for a momeny.
Why does Titus get to dictate who need to provide information right this second and who should skate by?

i don't want to touch that earlier argument about Titus asking both you and Shiro for readslists in different ways. there's really been enough yelling about it and i honestly cannot tell who is in the right at this point. if i knew something concrete about the whole thing, you would have seen my opinion already.

i think Titus is dictating that because that's what she does. she can be confbiased and she pushes on bad, weak, or misunderstood points again and again no matter how many times she is responded to about them. i can't answer about Titus without bringing up her play this entire game.

but the short of it is i think she's town. still.

and in my professional opinion, you two need to stop interacting for a while for the good of everyone.

[Not Chara]

Hey Math, you got an ally yet?

discuss this in the scum pt please

or don't you have daychat

Everyone I have a private topic with has daychat.

...ha. that's a weird response to that accusation.

[Not Chara]

pretty sure that was a scumslip...?

it was hilarious, is what it was.

[Not Chara]

but on a more serious note: not a scumslip. but a very awkward response. were you tip-toeing around something, Xkfyu?

[Not Chara]

but on a more serious note: not a scumslip. but a very awkward response. were you tip-toeing around something, Xkfyu?

No. Can we not all talk during the day in our alliance chat?

yes. but why did you respond that way when McMenno asked about your scum pt?

[Not Chara]

Hey Math, you got an ally yet?

Math's ally is rope.

LOL

hello. feel like responding to any of the responses to your own posts? any of them?

[Not Chara]

xk is scum independent of that anyway, let it rest or something

who do you want lynched?

[Not Chara]

as in realistically or

i already know you're voting Math. would you vote Xkfyu (who is on Math) if you could?

[Not Chara]

I want xk dead but I don't want to waste a lynch on them yet I don't think

I don't know if math has given up yet and is trying to fuck up associatives like sc did

i understand. thank you.

[Not Chara]

Ok, can you answer whether it is town or scum? Or is that too much?

The power causing a lack of a flip was not a scum power. I said this before, and it's still true now.

Ok, so to be clear, the scum kill is missing according to your knowledge?

god, do i wish you were allying with me tomorrow, Titus.

mastin: i read what you've said on Mathblade. in particular, the post about town anger versus scum anger. i guess you could have a point. still, i find their doubtcasting on you and Yume to be townie. did you respond to that, and i missed it?

i have no idea how you're reading DGB as anything but null at best.

[Not Chara]

still, i find their doubtcasting on you and Yume to be townie.

lolwhat

i explained why earlier. it's paranoid and would be weird to do as scum. even if Mathblade is desperate, why would they do it? there are other avenues.

[Not Chara]

...sweetie?

would you at least consider attempting to ally with me?

[Not Chara]

Wifom.

Math is wierd.

There's a townblock of like 6. 4ish scum left alive. Do the math.

hm. i'll consider that. when i have more time to dig into this.

[Not Chara]

what do you mean by 'thinks it has towncred'? just because you're stubbornly holding onto the read doesn't mean everyone is.

there are other avenues.

You'll notice mathblade isn't taking any interesting (telling) avenues.

Only obvious ones that won't tell us much once they flip scum.

so you're saying they're preparing for their lynch by stalling (well, according to Titus and mastin, but i assume you agree) and making sure to avoid associatives?

fine. i'm still going to wait, because i want to see what their catchup reads look like. if they continually come back with nothing, then i no longer have a reason not to lynch them.

[Not Chara]

...sweetie?

would you at least consider attempting to ally with me?

I have. Don't get me wrong. I was pulled in at least three different directions. Yume, conftown, wanted to ally with me. Shiro, who I have as a hard townread has wanted to align since Pregame. Then you do too.

Maybe consider leaving a cryptic message with your ally in case of death?

i suppose. i don't see that happening, but ok.

i'm not satisfied with it but i guess i really have asked you as many times as i could.

[Not Chara]

i didn't mean that you were implying the CGs weren't town. i meant that they were a separate subdivision of town players and you knew that. you didn't make the mistake that CG = town, obviously.

i'd thought you were implying that Peridot could only be controlled by gem characters. i guess i was wrong.

[Not Chara]

i don't even want to be defending Klingon here, when i'd much rather know why she's so interested in knowing if a player is claiming to be a Crystal Gem.

Because of A50's and Shiro's weirdness around Peridot.

i don't know what that means. yet i believe you.

[Not Chara]

...asking you to ally repeatedly is the towniest thing i've done? ouch. you don't even know what i want to discuss.

pedit: why?

Firebringer: oh, thank you! it reflects the way i feel when i play this game.

[Not Chara]

Do you have a chara avi for every kind of feeling?

yes. no sarcasm.

It is.
from my perspective, you hard defended scum and they hard defend you, never a good look. Yet, you haven't given up, you are still reading and answering questions while reaching out to someone you have as dumb town. The effort you put in suggests frustrated town.

The relationships are what is dragging you down.

what scum did i hard defend? are you referring to Math?

you're still misinterpreting my calls to ally. but, it's fine.

so you're saying they're preparing for their lynch by stalling (well, according to Titus and mastin, but i assume you agree) and making sure to avoid associatives?

Not really.

What avenues would you have expected scummathblade to more likely take?

...i asked to try and make sure. if i'm wrong, tell me where i'm wrong.
i'm not sure. not pushing confirmed town, or essentially confirmed. they could have gone after lurkers, but that would put them under heat. picking a high-content poster is what i would have done as scum. ...and i just remember they were pushing Titus, and also you. so nevermind.

[Not Chara]

Has it been discussed on possibility that scum went with no kill to start the cluster event and speed it up?

no, because if we started thinking of hypothetical scenarios without evidence, we'll all melt into puddles of theories and assumptions. :>

[Not Chara]

However I also think that is a bullshit question as Almost50 and Shiro are so much scum they might as well have gotten scum tattoo'd on their head at a tattoo parlor

Shiro could be scum. Almost50 is very town.

[Not Chara]

and, having read Math's reads, i still really do not want to vote them. Titus, is your sibling really this good of an actor as scum?

Has it been discussed on possibility that scum went with no kill to start the cluster event and speed it up?

no, because if we started thinking of hypothetical scenarios without evidence, we'll all melt into puddles of theories and assumptions. :>

But Titus has been doing that all game.
Rude.

Hey if you aren't Chara, can I be the goat guy that bente draws?
I am the goat man.

Titus is an impenetrable wall of that. and i'm not sure i'm capable of convincing Titus of anything in the first place.

yes, be the goat man.

[Not Chara]

However I also think that is a bullshit question as Almost50 and Shiro are so much scum they might as well have gotten scum tattoo'd on their head at a tattoo parlor

Shiro could be scum. Almost50 is very town.

Shiro is totes not scum.
Almost is meh to me.

I want to lynch within this pool:
Kling/Kraska/RR/DGB/maybe mathblade

kraska is probably not scum. but i still want her to post more. i don't know where lycan is.

[Not Chara]

UNVOTE:

As much as Math is driving me crazy, I am concerned scum are whiteknighting here. I don't want to lynch Math because they are stubborn bullheaded and acting like extra scum. That would be lynching the Townbeard. I will likely be revolting Math because I think they are a vote for scum regardless of alignment, I would like to hope they can change. We cannot afford two Farsides.

I was hoping Math would go deeper with the vote analysis because the VCA is troubling. I just cannot get it to fit the common consensus of RR scum NC town. It makes no sense. I keep getting back NC and RR are the same fucking alignment, or NC scum. Both being scum is compelling with the votes.

have you considered that VCA isn't always correct?
...or both me and Rational being town? why is that option so impossible? why does the common town consensus matter to your reads?
and, finally. if you think scum are whiteknighting Math, why couldn't they have been doing the same to me? SirCakez certainly was.

[Not Chara]

i was actually so convinced there was scum on my early wagon because i thought there

had

to be. now i'm just thinking scum wanted to see if they could get a lynch on me that was comprised of all/mostly town.

in fact. in the first SU (the game i will forever bring up for being the only large theme i've read fully), Beer was town and lynched day 1. the only scum on that wagon was Sonic X, if i remember correctly. you were scum in that game Titus. what happened?

[Not Chara]

Cerb: come vote DGB. as terrified as i am of mastin's threat, it's a better wagon.

pedit: i have theories on Firebringer's removal. notably, that it was a town action.

[Not Chara]

I want to lynch within this pool:
Kling/Kraska/RR/DGB/maybe mathblade

But I'm town! =(

@chara go on explain that pls

talk to the game like you've talked to me in the hood. i don't really feel like doing a towncase on you based on hood interactions when there isn't a need for it. ;>
and i really, really want you to participate in the game.

[Not Chara]

Lycan has had a habit of lurking as scum too.
So that is also out there.

And I know he hasn't been posting since like day 1.

only kraska has posted in the hood at all, either. i haven't heard from lycan.

[Not Chara]

Cerb:

must

we proceed with this line of thought right now? it's irrelevant to what's happening at the moment. i understand you enjoy theory posting, but really.
though, i'd forgotten about farside wanting to shoot DGB. fair.

[Not Chara]

Yeah, there were two major town wagons and we let town eat itself. The wagons don't quite match that here though.

explain why? how can you tell what the scumteam is thinking through VCA if you don't know who the scum are? besides SirCakez.

[Not Chara]

kraska: ignore the mechanics. what do you think of Math's wagon and their behaviour?

pedit: for the record, Cerb. i very much agree with you on it being a town power.
this is autopilot? impressive.
but, in all seriousness. i'd much rather see reads analysis than mechanics analysis. especially when the discussion involves Firebringer and mastin, who are both town. are you trying to hunt Firebringer here?

[Not Chara]

but, ugh. Cerb has kindly reminded me that it's 2am. i'm going to go.

thinking on it, lycan's disappearance is probably NIA. if he was just lurking i'm sure i would have seen

some

hint of him in our hood.

[Not Chara]

@grapes/fire Did day 1 in this feel like day 1 in SU1?

@NC, VCA involves taking reads/flips, plugging them in and seeing what makes sense supposing a

rational

scumteam under current site meta.

Like, we can look at who is the counter to scum and the populations on wagons and reasses. I usually want more flips. Say, day 3 or so, but the pattern feels off on this.

but why does the pattern feel off? that's what i want you to explain.

[Not Chara]

Suicide squad is a shit film

ha. it's true.

Cerb: Kubo was

fantastic

, true! i'm glad you enjoyed it.

mastin: doubtcasting means 'casting doubt on'. does it have other connotations i'm unaware of?

i'm seeing several different players saying this is how Mathblade is as scum. i don't know. i was so sure of SirCakez scum by the time his wagon went down to the wire, but i'm not here.
why do i keep showing up. Cerb, take me with you to sleep.

[Not Chara]

mastin: doubtcasting means 'casting doubt on'.

My point exactly.
And you pair that word with 'townie'.

should i have said their 'paranoia surrounding you' was townie? casting doubt on conftown is the same as being suspicious of conftown.

[Not Chara]

Shiro: allying doesn't count as an action.

Creature: i haven't been paying attention to them recently. was a townlean earlier if i remember right. why did he end up leaving the SirCakez wagon, Titus? you mentioned it in realize to 'awkward' things, but what reasoning did he give?

[Not Chara]

i. hm. i remember him saying that, at the time i thought he was just being frustrating and wrong. (referring to SirCakez's BP claim)
but that's the only part that looks scummy in hindsight to me. the rest is fine.

[Not Chara]

Each their own for now. Right now I am more focused on MathBlade. Their insistence on scum being within obvtown irks me. Either, they are scum and desperate or town and failing. Either way, I do not want to deal with the headache again. I think their ability is shit too (although others disagree). Their VCA was substandard when I asked them to look at the wagons. Assuming Farside town, their play only serves to keep me v Farside going.

do you think desperate scum Mathblade would still attempt to play the long game by going after conftown/obvtown? when they're about to be lynched?
either way, i think you should drop the point about their role. Loopdan may have seen more powerful uses for it, or may have overestimated it. it's still NIA. and they said they didn't have time for proper VCA.

[Not Chara]

i also really don't think the replace out was alignment indicative. it was just RL. if it was only this one game, he wouldn't have replaced sitewide.

[Not Chara]

Creature, do you want anyone lynched at all? you change votes at the first opportunity, every time.

[Not Chara]

Almost50 is town for his incredible paranoia and logical leaps that i don't believe can be faked. why do you think he's scum? i thought the same for a while. but he's just strange.
i know you weren't asking me. and, i don't have anything to say about Shiro. they could be scum.

kraska: is Creature more focused as scum? i know you talked about this in the hood, but still.

[Not Chara]

yeah, that's essentially what i disliked about Almost50.

[Not Chara]

so, that's two who are saying Shiro soft-busses as scum, and they say they don't. do they not realize they do it?

there might be comments directed to me that i missed. i don't know why i have that feeling. feel free to get my attention again if that's so.

Titus: all you're doing is making me less inclined to re-vote Math.

[Not Chara]

what did i say about you two taking a break? :<

pedit: this is why i don't use meta on the word of someone else. it's incredibly situational and often biased.

[Not Chara]

sorry for my absence today. it was D&D night.
hasn't Firebringer been stripped of his ability to ally? or did i misread?

[Not Chara]

fifth edition. i play a Dragonborn bard. i'm very new at it.
has anything changed since i was last here? i'm going to catch up the last few pages. special attention to Math.

[Not Chara]

hm.
i read the entire case post.
i.. don't really have anything to argue with against it. in fact, all of my reasons to want the Math wagon to crumble are not based on their gameplay, but rather their appeals. i told myself to ignore appeals when i joined this site, but i haven't been doing a very good job of it. and i should know how easy it is to fake an appeal.

are they at L-1? if it hasn't been declared already, i have intent. i'm waiting for the alliances to be finished.

kraska: i was warming up to her in our hood posting. but i dislike a lot of her thread posts. i don't know. i'd rather pick someone else to ally, if they would have me.

[Not Chara]

farside: alliance?

pedit: yes, i went to look at that next. thank you.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: MathBlade

[Not Chara]

MathBlade. what happened to change your attitude from 'i'll probably be mislynched, but let me get my reads down' to: 'this entire game is going to crash and burn because i'll be mislynched'?

[Not Chara]

you've given your reads. you've done all you can. if you flip town, of course your reads will be looked at. you're acting as if the game will end because they were wrong. if anything, won't you be pleased to have proven them wrong with your flip?
i'm having a harder time seeing town with that mindset than i am with scum who is frustrated for being lynched.

kraska: i didn't mean to personally offend you, if i did. i told you why i'm making the alliance decisions i am. i have nothing against you.

[Not Chara]

why is that NIA post evidence for scum kraska?

pedit: ah, i see. no problem then. thank you for clearing that up. :>

[Not Chara]

MathBlade. what happened to change your attitude from 'i'll probably be mislynched, but let me get my reads down' to: 'this entire game is going to crash and burn because i'll be mislynched'?

Because I revealed too much when I thought there was a chance to prevent the Mislynch.

your vague 'reveals' helped me understand nothing. i don't know about the others.
why would you reveal anything at all if you thought you might not be lynched? if you were alive the next day you could reveal things in your alliance or in the thread.

[Not Chara]

the existence of an alliance cop claim doesn't have a use as a defense. you could, quite literally, make that argument to stop the lynch of any player besides the alignment cop themselves.

math is at L-2.

[Not Chara]

i didn't say that to ask you to reveal anything. i said that asking why you'd reveal

anything

when you thought the mislynch might become

less

likely. that's something you hint at when you're about to go down, not when you think you may live.

pedit: ...that too.

[Not Chara]

on the Cluster: i'm sure this has already been said somewhere, but. a reminder. if you have active actions to forgo, Varsoon has said you

also

must not activate events tonight, that you might otherwise be able to activate. if you forgo your active action but attempt to activate an event, points will not be added. correct me if i'm wrong.
especially do it if both of the alliance members can forgo their actions for that extra third point. but, do it anyway.

farside: whenever you read this. i'll be choosing you to ally with tonight. in case the thread closes while i'm asleep.

[Not Chara]

they haven't been explained. klingon died (?) during the night, so i would guess she'll be revealed at the end of the day. Cakez was revealed a phase later.

i'm wondering how useful it would be to claim beachapalooza votes.

pedit: mastin, Yume, Titus, are all confirmed. who's the fourth? Firebringer, sort of... but there was no confirmation.

[Not Chara]

i understand why. wait for Titus to explain, then.

[Not Chara]

i agree that splitting the votes between two conftowns kind of mitigates the usefulness of this, somewhat.
for the record, i'm allied with farside. kraska, did you end up getting an ally?

Titus: we've been talking. unfortunately, there was not much of a reaction. ;>

[Not Chara]

Firebringer: er. yes?

The winning player will be able to privately select one of three fabulous prizes:
1. One-shot kill immunity, consumed when next targeted by a kill.
2. One-shot Climax-phase investigate a target to see if they are capable of killing a player.
3. One-shot Climax-phase mass-redirect, which causes all other abilities to redirect to the user.

[Not Chara]

why does farside's opinion of you matter more than the entire event, that has (it seems to me) been planned for some time now?

Firebringer: also, the publically revealed flavour would be a fake claim for scum. so it wouldn't function as a cop.

[Not Chara]

why does farside's opinion of you matter more than the entire event, that has (it seems to me) been planned for some time now?

Firebringer: also, the publically revealed flavour would be a fake claim for scum. so it wouldn't function as a cop.

Where the fuck does it say it would reveal the fake claim? It says the flavor of player.

too lazy to quote. i just copy/pasted.
":right: The winning player will have their flavor revealed publicly to the game.
Scum players will have their fake-claim flavor revealed publicly."

Firebringer, please calm down. you misread the event. it isn't strange that conftown was voted for.

[Not Chara]

maybe we should table this discussion for when the numbers are out. i don't really fancy waiting ~3 days for all of that, but i understand why there's an order.

pedit: Firebringer, i'm pretty sure the flavour reveal serves as a nerf for the powerful abilities the winner gets. it's likely a balancing issue.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: DGB
also the only one i would call scum in fuzzy's list.
important to note that scum may have avoided the Math lynch. not all of them, but an amount. it was endorsed by conftown and Titus, so it's not like it needed scum to fan the flames.

Titus: that order has been ignored at least... four times, so far.
these numbers are important for scumhunting. i'm actually with Cerb, i really don't want the numbers to trickle in and then have a bunch of rethinking needing to be done to account for the new info.

kraska: yes, it really is.

[Not Chara]

Can we talk about how shitty mastins list is right now? Putting one of THE lurkiest slots in the game at the top and forcing us to sit around with our thumbs up our asses while they decide whether to play the game or not?

Can we just skip to having whoever fucking voted for NC claim now?
-Cerb

hey, let's just calm down and play. Who is scum RR?

Probably fucking DGB except the fact that KC of all fucking people died last night looks a HELL of a lot like a shitty framing attempt aimed at DGB.

NC is FAR more likely to be scum than they were yesterday from the simple fact that they picked up a fuck load of votes, but I guess that could be explained by scum throwing votes on them just so they'd look bad? I don't know.

-Cerb

it's such an obvious framing attempt that i'm ignoring it for the purposes of reading DGB. because DGB (if scum) and the scum team would

know

it would look like an obvious framing attempt.

[Not Chara]

@NC: what are you basing the DGB read off of exactly? I know there are some things, I've brought them up myself, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.

-Cerb

i've spoken about her a bit. granted, not very much.
when i last ISOed her, i literally found no town evidence. the only scumhunting-ish behaviour is when she brings up lurkers promising to catch up (Cooldog) or Seraphim saying he was busy and would catch up the next day. and that isn't counting her behaviour in the topic with Klingon, because it's her in-thread behaviour that concerns me.
in between her reads posts, most of her content is ignoring major game events in favour of fluff responses. which aren't bad in and of themselves, but it's like she isn't concerned with engaging the thread at all.

[Not Chara]

@NC: what are you basing the DGB read off of exactly? I know there are some things, I've brought them up myself, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.

-Cerb

i've spoken about her a bit. granted, not very much.
when i last ISOed her, i literally found no town evidence. the only scumhunting-ish behaviour is when she brings up lurkers promising to catch up (Cooldog) or Seraphim saying he was busy and would catch up the next day. and that isn't counting her behaviour in the topic with Klingon, because it's her in-thread behaviour that concerns me.
in between her reads posts, most of her content is ignoring major game events in favour of fluff responses. which aren't bad in and of themselves, but it's like she isn't concerned with engaging the thread at all.

All NAI for her, in my experience. I bitched on like D1 about her noncontribution in every game I've ever played with her.

Anything else?

-Cerb

...is there something she did that i missed? how do you have a scumread if this is all NIA?

i took the trollish behaviour in the topic with Klingon as NIA. either she's town and did a

terrible

reaction test, or she was scum mucking around for any number of reasons. i have no way of knowing whether she actually made a mistake and really thought klingon was on her scumteam, but that's because i don't believe her daycop for a minute.

[Not Chara]

speaking of the Math wagon, all it did was make me annoyed at myself. i'm not going to let myself be swayed by vocal town in that manner again if i can help it.

[Not Chara]

Mainly the late ascetic claim + the kc stuff.

She's trying to say it's a gambit, but wtf kind of gambit is it when you claim enough shit that nobody is going to believe your gambit?

-Cerb

oh, right. i'd forgotten about her late ascetic claim.
it seems kind of paltry when compared to what she pulled in the thread, but if that's really usual for her...

i guess i just don't want to call that behaviour outright scum because it's more..

chaotic

than anything else. and it looks to me like she's that way usually.
Klingon at least was clear about the timeline of events, but DGB didn't seem to care how she was understood by the rest of the thread.

pedit: who lied about claiming ascetic earlier than they did?

[Not Chara]

i'm not going to let myself be swayed by vocal town in that manner again if i can help it.

Owww drats
I was planning on yelling until shadow gets rope >:(

the difference is i certainly wouldn't fight you on that lynch.

I want to ally with Shiro too.

no. you're allying with me.
i would say you're allying with me

and

Shiro as a compromised, but i'm open to the idea of scum Shiro and don't want to ally with them.

[Not Chara]

Rational: going by what happened with SirCakez and Mathblade, i'm pretty sure they flip a day phase after they were killed. Klingon was killed at night, so she won't flip until the end of Day.
and: i just explained why i don't want to ally with Shiro. i want to ally with Titus and one other of Yume/farside/Firebringer/grapes.

[Not Chara]

two guesses about why Mathblade did it, not that it matters: they really mistook one of CoolDog's posts as an ascetic claim, because they knew they had the role and were looking for it,

or

it was a strange, last-ditch attempt to not be lynched for the unclaimed ascetic.

[Not Chara]

Rational: going by what happened with SirCakez and Mathblade, i'm pretty sure they flip

a phase

after they were killed. Klingon was killed at night, so she won't flip until the end of Day.
and: i just explained why i don't want to ally with Shiro. i want to ally with Titus and one other of Yume/farside/Firebringer/grapes.

EBWOP

[Not Chara]

Rational: you're right.
hm. is it possible there are two different effects governing these delayed flips? one for the lynches (scum) and a different one (a vigilante?) that killed Klingon?
and about what you said on shadow: not true in Foxbird's case. she was active in the neighbourhood with Skybird, if i'm remembering right?

[Not Chara]

Why can't we do you me Shiro NC?

i don't trust them. i want to ally with a group i'm very confident is town and won't be explaining more than that, sorry.
is there anyone from my list you'd be alright with taking the spot instead? me, you, and farside would be good. i spoke against a group with you and farside in it yesterday, but now you're conftown. but any of the ones i listed would work.
pedit: yes, i'm aware. c=

[Not Chara]

Cerb:

oh and I'm x-shot weak doc xd

Why would you claim this unprompted?

Oh, and I also need a new ally for tomorrow. I'm more active in my hood than in the main thread, I promise!
(Skybird is still town though. There are other reasons.)

[Not Chara]

convince me Shiro is town? why are you so concerned with allying with them?

but: i'll settle for that neighbourhood if you and Shiro agree to it.
plus, this conversation will probably change as the day goes on.

good night.

[Not Chara]

the aspect of her play that kraska brought up that caught my attention was Foxbird's scumreads. that she was a lurker scumreading lurkers. admittedly, i've only skimmed shadowstep, i think they replaced in at a point where i wasn't as involved in the thread, near the end of day 2. i'd have to look at shadow-step themselves before making decision about the slot.
i wouldn't scumread anyone for RL. that sucks.

and Titus: you don't need to answer the question about Shiro being town. i'd forgotten that they were one of the slots you were really, really sure about. the second question, i would still like answered.

[Not Chara]

oh my god, it's 4am. i didn't even look. i thought it was 2.

[Not Chara]

farside isn't scum. she's third party/town. which one she is isn't certain, but she absolutely isn't mafia.

i decided day 1 that arguing with Titus wouldn't be fruitful for me. i don't have the means or the confidence to do so.
Cerb: as someone who fooled town with your third party role in Saga Frontier, what do you think about farside's claim? i know you said you wouldn't take about her without the beachapalooza votes, but my question is in a mechanical sense. you've spoken a bit about your play in Saga Frontier here, and i ended up reading those parts of that game. i'm not sure if you could have won with town or not, i didn't read the entire thing.

sorry for my absence. this weekend has been busy. i've skimmed, but am not really caught up with the recent pages.

[Not Chara]

no, i really should say. i think farside is town. the effort she would be putting in, as an anti-town third party, to keep me on her side by continuing to play in our neighbourhood would be ridiculous. it isn't as though i have sway in this game. i believe her claim. she was doing anti-town things earlier as part of her win condition/frustration, but she's given up on that.

[Not Chara]

grapes: i'm also eagerly awaiting the full beachapalooza results. this is based only what we know so far.
DGB is scum. it would take a lot from her to convince me of anything else.
other slots of interest are Creature, Shiro, TWIE.

incidentally, i'm no longer suspicious of kraska.
i'm going to read Shadow_Step when i have time. i have to go to school, that's why i've not responded to anything but grapes' question.

[Not Chara]

@farside can you please sloooowly explain this third party stuff to me? and what are all the things you did to gain points for your 3p win con?

farside isn't here, but since she's already claimed in thread, i can just tell you.

Oh so that's what it's called lol
Man I miss allying with chara and asking all these dumb questions in the alliance pt

<3

RR did you want to ally tonight?
I am going to ally grape and not chara for season final I think

that would actually work very well for me. grapes?

[Not Chara]

Titus, i'm allied with farside today.
kraska doesn't have an ally.

Spoiler: also

hi to you too.

[Not Chara]

@Shadow, What are your reads?

@Everyone who is on, If you had to pick a scum in RR/Almost/Skybird, who would you pick and why?

Almost, definitely not. Rational, probably not. all Skybird really has going for her is her PT with Steven. i would pick that.
are we done getting all of the beachapalooza claims?

[Not Chara]

I voted for myself

Why did you self vote?

this is why

VOTE: shadowstep

but i'd like an actual answer, if you please.

pedit: Titus, can you confirm that you know who is allying with who? your last list had an error and i'd like to do my own examination of the votes, which i can't do without the full picture.

[Not Chara]

Titus: the only error i knew of was my alliance for today, which is with farside. i asked about mastin and Yume's choices because they're important and i want to be sure of what they were.

chara wanna ally again?

if grapes says no to an alliance with Firebringer and i, i wouldn't be opposed. i'll see what they say first.

[Not Chara]

Titus: the only error i knew of was my alliance for today, which is with farside. i asked about mastin and Yume's choices because they're important and i want to be sure of what they were.

nevermind this. i understand.

[Not Chara]

Oh and
CHARA AND FARSIDE WANNA ALLY WITH ME?

Chara is mine

No mine

Fite me

was looking through today's alliances. i didn't see this before.
<3

[Not Chara]

edit /is not scum.......

Can we get totals then titus? Pretty sure I know where mastin/Yume and you voted as well.

I'm also pretty sure I get where your scum pool comes from.

-Cerb

i have a full list put together, but without an explicity claim from mastin/Titus/yume on who each of them voted, i can't be sure about it.
i can make an informed guess, but that's all.

[Not Chara]

oh, we do know who Yume voted for. nevermind, i have the full list now.

[Not Chara]

RR: it's been called a permanent alliance, so that's how i'm treating it. someone tell me if this list is wrong anywhere. it's sorted by player voted for.

Rational: mastin (+1)
Skybird: mastin (+1)
Almost: mastin (+1)
Mastin: self (+3)
Yume: mastin (+2)

total: 8

Chara: self (+3)
Farside: Chara (+2)
total: 5

Titus: self (+3)
Kraska: Titus (+1)
Xkfyu: Titus (+1)
Grapes: Titus (+1)
total: 6

Shiro: none
Snarky: none
DGB: none
Random: none
Fuzzy: none (didn't answer?)
TWIE: none

Creature: shadow step
Magna: voted Rational
Shadow step: Almost
Fire: Rational

McMenno: self

[Not Chara]

I thought scum having their flavor revealed would be pro-town.

did everyone miss the line right under that stating scum's flavour would be revealed as their

fake claim

?

[Not Chara]

the mastin vote group must have

two

scum in it. if there was only one, her final vote result would have had a .5 value. this is excluding Yume of course, who if scum would give 1 to mastin. but she's obviously not scum.
two of those scum 0.5 votes became a single 1 vote together, leading to mastin's final result of 7.

[Not Chara]

removing the 5 points from Yume/mastin, Skybird/Almost/Rational contributed a total of 2 together. that's 1 point from the one town in there, and 0.5 points from the two scum.
...but. i'm not very good at math, and from your post i imagine you're much better at it. so did i make a mistake somewhere?

[Not Chara]

the mastin vote group must have two scum in it. if there was only one, her final vote result would have had a .5 value. this is excluding Yume of course, who if scum would give 1 to mastin. but she's obviously not scum.
two of those scum 0.5 votes became a single 1 vote together, leading to mastin's final result of 7.

No because scum can have claimed to be in the Not Voting / Voting for someone else pool while actually voting for Mastin. Which is I think (hard to tell with that much wordage) the point of Titus's post.

if scum had added extra votes to mastin, she would have gotten more than seven.
if there's only one scum in Skybird/Almost/Rational, then that's 1+1+0.5 at

least

, not counting outside voters.
that's 7.5 points for mastin total. more than she received.

[Not Chara]

i mean, you could argue that all three of Skybird/Almost/Rational are scum, and that an outside scum contributed votes there as well... but i really doubt it and it isn't relevant to the point i'm trying to make.

[Not Chara]

removing the 5 points from Yume/mastin, Skybird/Almost/Rational contributed a total of 2 together. that's 1 point from the one town in there, and 0.5 points from the two scum.
...but. i'm not very good at math, and from your post i imagine you're much better at it. so did i make a mistake somewhere?

This is a decent point. I didn't remember that two of them could be scum, because it didn't go with my theory that scum were deliberately no voting.

I think Jasper has to be in the pool, but that is getting ahead of myself. One in RR/Almost50/Skybird must be town, one must be scum. One is unknown.

yes, that would be a good way to phrase it.

[Not Chara]

It's impossible for a traitor to have been part of any of the big pools. There is no way scum would vote in a fashion thst would put a half vote anywhere so a traitors uncoordinated vote would have created a .5 in whatever pool they voted in.

@Varsooon: please confirm that the beachapalooza votes are accurate.
@Yume/Mastin: please confirm with Varsoon the number of votes yume would give if voting for mastin.

-Cerb

i think what they were saying was a traitor

claimed

to have voted for mastin, but did not. (?)

[Not Chara]

@Not Chara - Whose idea was it to vote for you and put a vote threshold at 5?

~Drixx

farside suggested it. i didn't see a problem and agreed.
i'm sorry for the issues it caused. i didn't consider the possibility of a really low vote winning third. farside and i just assumed everyone would vote in Titus/mastin/Yume.

[Not Chara]

Thanks. Who originated the idea of it "clearing" both of you?

~Drixx

i know what you're getting at.
farside did. it was a faulty conclusion on both of our parts. she isn't scum.
at

worst

she is third party.

[Not Chara]

her play doesn't make sense as a group scum. it makes sense as someone going for a third party win condition.
her play in our topic is some next-level effort considering the only player she can convince with it is me.

if farside is scum, then her claim is not her mod-provided fakeclaim. unless you think Varsoon gave scum a third party fakeclaim? if that's your theory, i could listen.
assuming Varsoon wouldn't do so: it's quite a gambit as scum to avoid claiming one's own fakeclaim in favour of claiming a messy third party.

i can see why Yume made that play. what i don't see is why scum have made NO KILLS. does it have something to do with the cluster event? were they blocked, or protected?

[Not Chara]

I want to be like you Yumi...... you should clone yourself

NC
its possible the shot a BP on night 1 or ran into something that stop their kill
there some odd roles going on so I wouldn't be surprised if that what happened

i wouldn't be either. but that it happened two nights in a row is what makes me wonder about it being purposeful.
still, it's more likely they were just messed with in some way. Yume being a kill target also would make sense.

[Not Chara]

I believe they did make some sort of kill, but it didn't go through. If they targeted me with it, I am permanently bp. If they targeted someone else, that person was protected by a doc.

I am BP as well though.

you claimed that (well, hinted) day 1. i don't think you would have been targeted.
but i think we've reached the points we can get to with this discussion right now.

[Not Chara]

ok, i've come to a decision.
DGB is lying about being ascetic. mod-confirmed to me. is that enough for us to lynch her?

fuzzy: scum absolutely have a Strongman ability, or something similar.

[Not Chara]

can you give more detail NC?????

on which part?
if it's about two town BPs, then i explained how that would be balanced.

if it's about my claim, i'm not giving any more information. she isn't ascetic.

[Not Chara]

i'm aware of the stress mechanics. however, i don't think they alone would be enough to balance two town bulletproofs. the stress mechanics are there for balance themselves. scum only get that Strongman shot if they've

really

been taking a lot of hits.

this discussion is also kind of pointless because both Yume and Titus are conftown. i was just answering fuzzy.

[Not Chara]

Sorry I just go on your so called word,,,,,,,,

well yes, but my going into detail would still just be 'my word', and unnecessary information.

[Not Chara]

I think I know why Yumi is hiding the flips.....

good. now she's confirmed town so there's no need to really think about it further.

[Not Chara]

DGB is lying about being ascetic. mod-confirmed to me. is that enough for us to lynch her?

Impossible.

I am un-targetable. That makes me ascetic.

you literally showed up right after i revealed that. you should have waited longer if you wanted to look less suspicious.
not impossible, you're just lying. you're not ascetic.
unless your ascetic-ness is an activated ability and you were roleblocked. do you want to change your claim to that?

[Not Chara]

okay so either NC or DGB is lying...so one is likely scum

yes, i'm scum faking a result and trying to flip a town player in a 20-player game where we were no where near lylo. i think i would be better at mafia than

that

.

[Not Chara]

at DGB
so you can only be killed by lynching???

I don't think I'm bulletproof though let me check

untargetable implies untargetable by a kill, too.

i mean, you

aren't

ascetic, but that's what the question was.

[Not Chara]

okay nope this is fake i can confirm i think

DGB is fake?
don't claim anything if you don't have to.

[Not Chara]

Let me see, you claimed ascetic but that can be affected by events and two players are saying it's wrong.

that particular aspect of her claim is not that strange. i'm talking about an ascetic that can be affected by events.
i'm not going to point at anything, but if you've been reading up on things claimed by other players, you'd know why it isn't strange.

kraska: i'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about. =c

Creature: farside isn't confscum.

DGB: i've asked to make sure if the result is a mod error or not. am i going to be told it was an error? you've claimed untargetable, right?

[Not Chara]

shoot.

damn

.

kraska, don't say anymore.
UNVOTE:

Varsoon hasn't gotten back to me yet but he doesn't need to. my result was real but i

forgot

an important... ugh. i can't explain anymore.
DGB isn't lying. blame me.

[Not Chara]

wait. shoot, what i am doing.
VOTE: DGB she's still scum, just not not outright lying about being ascetic.
i'm embarrassed. really, really embarrassed. i can't explain further.

[Not Chara]

ugh. i'm taking a break.
this has probably hurt my chances of getting DGB lynched. she was scum before my result too. sorry.

[Not Chara]

RR: it's been called a permanent alliance, so that's how i'm treating it. someone tell me if this list is wrong anywhere. it's sorted by player voted for.

Rational: mastin (+1)
Skybird: mastin (+1)
Almost: mastin (+1)
Mastin: self (+3)
Yume: mastin (+2)

total: 8

Chara: self (+3)
Farside: Chara (+2)
total: 5

Titus: self (+3)
Kraska: Titus (+1)
Xkfyu: Titus (+1)
Grapes: Titus (+1)
total: 6

Shiro: none
Snarky: none
DGB: none
Random: none
Fuzzy: none (didn't answer?)
TWIE: none

Creature: shadow step
Magna: voted Rational
Shadow step: Almost
Fire: Rational

McMenno: self

there you are. point values assume town players.

[Not Chara]

so, now that i know DGB's claim is real. she becomes a third player who can't be nightkilled.
third party. she's probably third party. i'd rather lynch actual scum, but that recalculating can wait for after my break.

Creature: all of those votes are confirmed.

[Not Chara]

Titus: any way i could convince you to instead lynch in:

"Shiro: none
Snarky: none
DGB: none
Random: none
TWIE: none

Creature: shadow step
Magna: voted Rational
Shadow step: Almost"
you said yourself that lynching in the outside group is the best bet.
your 'guilty' on farside revealed her as ascetic. still, at worst, she's simply third party who was ascetic.

[Not Chara]

These third parties. What would stop them from working against us when they get the chance to?

i guess, nothing? i'm not concerned with hunting third parties as much as i am with scum. who are actually working against us.
if you'll notice, i've still included DGB in my lynchpool.

pedit: ally with me, Titus. i'll even take Shiro.

peditx2: really? time to check that.

[Not Chara]

Titus: any way i could convince you to instead lynch in:

"Shiro: none
Snarky: none
DGB: none
Random: none
TWIE: none

Creature: shadow step
Magna: voted Rational
Shadow step: Almost"
you said yourself that lynching in the outside group is the best bet.
your 'guilty' on farside revealed her as ascetic. still, at worst, she's simply third party who was ascetic.

You could, but the fact that the entire group but Farside is refusing to lynch Farside is strong indication of Farside being scum.

i just checked Shiro, Snarky, DGB, and Random. Shiro (your

townread

) is the only one refusing to lynch farside) the others are either voting her or saying they would. please don't make blanket statements, it's misleading to people who aren't properly reading the thread.

[Not Chara]

i finished checking. my proposed lynchpool includes three players refusing to lynch farside. they're Shadow, Creature, and Shiro. the rest are entirely fine with it or voting the wagon.
so no, i'm not convinced farside is scum from that and it certainly isn't an indicator.

[Not Chara]

Drixx: i realized i forgot to properly respond to you. i see your analysis of a possible gambit and think it's a good one. i just don't agree, for reasons i've said.

pedit: bad wording in my case. my point was you weren't on her wagon right now.

[Not Chara]

i could vote Skybird.

[Not Chara]

no, nevermind. she isn't in the pool. it doesn't make her conftown but it makes me want to lynch elsewhere for now.
Almost, your Creature vote is good. but Fire is very likely town.
grapes: i may have missed your response. will you ally with Fire and i tonight?

[Not Chara]

i agree with you. it's just that the likelihood of hitting scum in the pool is a lot higher, and there are scummy players within it as well. i don't have any reason to townread Skybird.

[Not Chara]

Rational: i don't agree with all of what Yume has done, but i also have very little information about it. i just don't see the point in questioning conftown when i don't know what the heck is going on. you have information i don't.

[Not Chara]

yume is also confirmed

Steven

. i don't care if she IS third party, she isn't a threat.
the gems as a third party faction is interesting. but they're aligned with earth and so are we. i just can't see them stealing a win from under us.

[Not Chara]

maybe they don't want scum to see their win condition. i don't want to speculate on their win condition but my hypothesis about what it is isn't an anti-town one.

[Not Chara]

grapes, confirm you'll ally with Fire and i? or if i missed the confirmation, Fire, let me know.

i don't want to talk about Yume or 3rd parties anymore. i'd like to talk about scum. who's the best lynch within the 'not voting' players, in everyone's opinion?

[Not Chara]

does Skybird not have a double vote? farside is at L-2.

[Not Chara]

yes, she's a bad lynch. but inevitable for because.
kraska, have you considered replacing in as yourself? unless you've heard from lycan and they'll be coming back.

i don't think there are two scum in shadow/Skybird. only one. i could lynch Shiro.

pedit: i see, thank you Cerb. Skybird, is there a reason you're only supporting the wagon halfway?

Steven being anti-town wouldn't be bastard. it would justbe strange. really, though, no flavour-compliant win condition would make Steven a threat. i agree with the notion of scum gems within the gems, though.

[Not Chara]

"she doesn't want to rush the day"?

[Not Chara]

Fire: ...what?

kraska: your list looks like mine. just add Creature.

[Not Chara]

Yume: you can have my role. it's fantastic.

[Not Chara]

not sarcasm depending on your POV. i offered because i'm pretty sure Yume is joking, but mostly because i knew Yume would say no.

pedit: kraska, i don't see scum allying with each other day one and Skybird defending her scumpartner in the manner she has.
Yume: that's too bad. i have to insult you for the role? how mean.

peditx2: haha.

[Not Chara]

hm. i didn't notice that. i'll consider it.

[Not Chara]

because everyone is on farside and because Titus.

[Not Chara]

great.

[Not Chara]

lynching farside will certainly help increase the stress. let's do that.

[Not Chara]

lynching farside will certainly help increase the stress. let's do that.

The mod didn't say that would happen in my role.
Just a VC reset.

But on a happy note more points, the merrier.

Who wants to target me tonight to get out of this tunnel rage from she that shall not be named??

i didn't think the stress would increase. you said the vote won't lynch you in the first place. i was just being facetious. c=

Two allies allowed tonight...

And that's actually not the obvious answer skybird, and thats sorta weird. NC, the obvious answer I expected was to preserve wagon composition and make vca more valuable. More double votes =less people on the wagon=less information gained from the wagon and subsequent flip.

-Cerb

her answer did end up being what i'd thought. so no, not an answer i would have liked to hear. particularly weird is Skybird saying 'to avoid mislynches', as though her (supposedly town) vote would lead to more mislynches just because it adds another vote? if you're concerned about farside not being scum, proper play is not to only vote her with one of the two votes...
and if one is concerned about the day ending early, why would you vote there at all? wait for alliances first.

[Not Chara]

take me away, boys. i still don't read post numbers. you may edit it into the top of my post if you like.

V: Nah.
If I edit VCs into other player's posts, they can't just ISO me for the VCs.
Also, I could just edit your content from that post into this one and then delete you old post, but that'd be a chump move.
It'll all be G. :3

[Not Chara]

Varsoon, i will be V/LA until Saturday.

[Not Chara]

...really tempted to change my alliance choices just for those names.

except your list doesn't include farside, so it won't work.
for the record, grapes, i'd be alright with a alliance of you and McMenno.
but i'm just as happy about Firebringer and yourself.

pedit: Farside, you didn't know? DGB had control of Klingon's vote on day 1 because of that power.

[Not Chara]

...because players aren't omnipotent and can be wrong on reads? farside was wrong about SirCakez, Titus was wrong about Math.

[Not Chara]

thank you, mastin.
pedit: it's very funny that you answered this as i was thanking you for something entirely different.

[Not Chara]

farside does not have that low of an opinion of the players in this game. there's no way she was honestly trying to scoot by with that 'conftown' claim, while knowing it was wrong, and expecting no one to do simple math.

pedit:
VOTE: Snarky

[Not Chara]

mastin, you should be aware that lycan has disappeared since day 1, and kraska has been piloting the hydra by herself. just, to add to your analysis.

[Not Chara]

McMenno: i really wouldn't mind allying with you and grapes, McMenno. but Firebringer asked me first and he's also obvious town to me. :<
Fire could go with farside and kraska? i'm not sure if he's townreading both, i can't remember that right now for the life of me.

and: did you mean shadow is capable of doing this as scum?
i still haven't made my mind up about Rational. i think if the scumteam were going to try and disguise one of their own using the beachapalooza votes, Rational would be a good candidate. but they simply don't feel like scum to me.

pedit: Titus, there are other things... but i've sort of given up on that front. the important thing is we're now lynching a player who actually has a good chance of flipping scum. i do agree with you that kraska looks better between herself and Shadow.

[Not Chara]

alright.

[Not Chara]

and farside is someone i think is town.
looking forward to your VCA. we have more flips to work with now.