Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[CoolBot]

I want you to claim. I haven't been unclear about this. You defending your early behavior as just generating discussion is what warranted the wagon, but now I want a claim.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The guy at ly-1 wants a claim

[Adel]

I want you to claim. I haven't been unclear about this. You defending your early behavior as just generating discussion is what warranted the wagon, but now I want a claim.

damn dude, you are like a bulldog on this. he is like -4321 to lynch and you are still demanding a claim.

*nothing to see here*

[Surye]

I want you to claim. I haven't been unclear about this. You defending your early behavior as just generating discussion is what warranted the wagon, but now I want a claim.

Well, since you won't show me what I have not defended, good luck with your transparent crusade against me.

[Elias_the_thief]

So...has anything actually relevant happened here yet? So far I see a baseless wagon on coolbot leading to a useless vanilla claim and thats about it.

[camisade]

So...has anything actually relevant happened here yet? So far I see a baseless wagon on coolbot leading to a useless vanilla claim and thats about it.

yeah pretty much.

[Guardian]

Vote Count #8

CoolBot[7] (Surye, shaft.ed, Albert, Ectomancer, Adel, pickemgenius, Machiavellian-Mafia)
Surye[2] (CoolBot, Elias_the_thief)
Elias_the_thief[1] (the silent speaker)
Ectomancer[1] (Kison)
Rosso Carne[1] (Tarhalindur)
shaft.ed[1] (farside22)

Not Voting[2]: (Rosso Carne, camisade)

[Tarhalindur]

Back after a week of relative inactivity.

The big question of the last six pages: why the hell was Surye not forced to claim when he reached L-2?

Oh wait, that's an easy question: Surye didn't have to claim because Ecto (and to a lesser extent Adel) derailed the wagon just after it reached L-2 and before Surye was forced to claim.

I'm not going to fault CoolBot for wanting a claim out of someone who should have been forced to claim 3 pages ago. I do, however, think Ectomancer's derailing the Surye wagon and many, many questions asked while giving only a few of his own thoughts indicates that Ecto is fairly likely to be scum.

Unvote, Vote: Ectomancer

[Albert B. Rampage]

What about Adel ? What do you think about Adel ?

[pickemgenius]

I do, however, think Ectomancer's derailing the Surye wagon and many, many questions asked while giving only a few of his own thoughts indicates that Ecto is fairly likely to be scum.

*note to self: gathering information is bad play as town*

[Ectomancer]

I gave a thought but the internet monster ate the reply.

What I asked was: Are the presence of vanilla roles in mafia considered a meta? Or would expecting a meta breaking mafia to include no vanilla's

itself

a meta? How about only 1 vanilla? Aren't there normally a few? Just how much breaking of the meta is going on here?
But how can you answer that question? How can I ask it without implying a power role myself? How can you dance when it is a crime to play the music? 7 hands yet rest on the bow. It needs but one more to draw it across the string.

[Adel]

Happy scumday albert!

What about Adel ? What do you think about Adel ?

I suspect he knows that I would skin him alive just so I could watch the expression on his face when he see me wearing his face.

[Surye]

Back after a week of relative inactivity.

The big question of the last six pages: why the hell was Surye not forced to claim when he reached L-2?

Oh wait, that's an easy question: Surye didn't have to claim because Ecto (and to a lesser extent Adel) derailed the wagon just after it reached L-2 and before Surye was forced to claim.

I'm not going to fault CoolBot for wanting a claim out of someone who should have been forced to claim 3 pages ago. I do, however, think Ectomancer's derailing the Surye wagon and many, many questions asked while giving only a few of his own thoughts indicates that Ecto is fairly likely to be scum.

Unvote, Vote: Ectomancer

Interesting, while I am appreciative of ABR having my back, I find it interesting that you completely ignored him in your analysis, when he's the one that actively derailed the bandwagon, and began pointing out CoolBot's behavior.

[Rosso Carne]

why is there not a wagon on Adel.

seriously, a post every five seconds and absolutely zero content.

that gal oughta be at least to L-3 by now.

[Adel]

people in glass houses, something something, shouldn't throw axes at people stirring the pot, or else a kettle will call you back.

[shaft.ed]

Surye brings up a good point Tar. Why the mention of Ecto and Adel but nothing on Albert?


Also happy scumday Albert.

[CoolBot]

Rosso, you aren't even voting anyone. If you really want a bandwagon, take action and vote. No one will care otherwise.


I agree that Tar ignoring Albert is odd, especially considering he was the one who said Surye was at L-1 to get people to unvote.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

So...has anything actually relevant happened here yet? So far I see a baseless wagon on coolbot leading to a useless vanilla claim and thats about it.

yeah pretty much.

I love how both of you are complaining that nothing relevant has happened while you both also are saying nothing relevant for pretty much the whole game.

[Tarhalindur]

Albert is not at the top of my scumdar for three reasons: 1) he was not on the Surye wagon in the first place, so it's somewhat more believable that he was simply against the Surye wagon from the beginning, 2) of all players on the site, Albert is the player I find hardest to read, especially on Day 1, and I prefer to vote for players that I actually have a scum read on, and 3) Ecto seems scummier to me right now, not to mention a bit under the radar.

I'm setting aside Adel for now mainly because her play here so far does not really fit my scum meta on her (in particular, she's being far more aggressive here than I remember her being in Mini 458). It's possible that she's changed her meta, but that's something we can deal with later. As things currently stand, I believe that Adel is either town or neutral.

Pickem: There is a difference between "asking questions and giving your analysis" and "asking questions instead of giving your own analysis" (and by analysis I mean player analysis). The former is pro-town, the latter is not, and Ecto seems to be doing the latter. Savvy?

This "why Ecto not Adel or Albert" flareup is very interesting, however. While I'm mulling it over, I see a player named Ecto who has bandwagon jumped three times with minimal reasoning and whose "thoughts", as I am reading them, largely consist of Mafia theory (as opposed to analysis with reasons on other players, which is what I was looking for from him). Got anything to say about that, Ecto?

[Ectomancer]

I cant help what you are looking for from me. I can only give you what I got.

[camisade]

So...has anything actually relevant happened here yet? So far I see a baseless wagon on coolbot leading to a useless vanilla claim and thats about it.

yeah pretty much.

I love how both of you are complaining that nothing relevant has happened while you both also are saying nothing relevant for pretty much the whole game.

Sorry which bandwagon do I have to jump on to be relevant I can't keep up.

[Elias_the_thief]

I love how both of you are complaining that nothing relevant has happened while you both also are saying nothing relevant for pretty much the whole game.

me too. though im not really complaining. I'm just explaining my take on the game, which is that nothing relevant has happened. I dont see how this is any different from saying that relevant things HAVE happened, except that you dont agree with it. Therefore I'm OBVIOUSLY complaining.

[Elias_the_thief]

people in glass houses, something something, shouldn't throw axes at people stirring the pot, or else a kettle will call you back.

This is the most relevant post all game.

Sidenote: I'll post something contenty sometime during page 10.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I will have limited access from now thru 4/13. I'm pretty sure there is free wireless internet at the hotel I'm staying at, so I'll be sure to post here ASAP.

[shaft.ed]

unvote, vote Adel