Mini 589: SSBB Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

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Ike has already been picked.

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Pikachu I choose you!

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MafiaSSK

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I'm thinking Penny will need to be replaced.

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vote: pickemgenius

Happy scumday, scum!

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I don't know if this is the case - I couldn't see anything regarding random selection on the rule page. For balance purposes the mod may have preselected who'd be what. But I agree that lynching just because of a role is not a good idea.

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Smalltown

Smalltown is a mafia variation in which all roles are usually unique, and all roles, and which players have each role is public; but alignments and randomized, and are not public. Completed examples of smalltown games include Scrubs and Heroes mafia.

Allignments are RANDOMISED.

O I can't read. You win. But my point on non-role lynching is made all the stronger.

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Being an asshole is not a scumtell. Statistically, assholes will get pro-town roles more than scum roles. Therefore being an asshole = pro town. No need to compliment me, I know my logic is flawless.

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Did you even read the rest of my post?

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Firstly, it occurs to me that goborage should declare his target before night falls. This will mean that the hider essentially becomes an investigative role- if gob dies, we know the target is scum. If Gob lives, we know those two players are of the same alignment (since scum could lie about having hidden behind scum, although that risks detection by the tracker).

Gob should not be roleblocked, and dahill1 should target the same player as Gob does. Why? Because this will prevent him from killing using either method if he's mafia. Since the poison ability negates the two protective roles, which can prevent any other kill, we don't want it used just yet.

I agree that my role would be best used as an investigator but I don't get the Pikachu/Mario targeting the same player idea. Wouldn't the player targeted by Mario simply die? If we don't want Mario to use his ability we can simply tell him not to. It's not like he can hide it anyways. In fact I'm leery of any vig role using their power atm.

Me being an investigative role isn't perfect though. If Lucas is scum, he can coordinate a roleblock/NK that will kill me and make my protector look like scum. If asked he can simply say he protected someone.

Anyways I'm all for discussion about night action duties.

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NM I should have read the first page more closely. Ya the player targeted by Mario would receive a super mushroom. Wouldn't simply telling Mario not to do anything at night serve the same purpose?

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Well I think AK should target Samus or I. It's in the town's best interest to get more investigative roles.

Assuming AK is scum we should force him to use his power on pre-determined targets to a) use up his night action so he can't NK and b) to prevent him from getting a power that could be detrimental to town.

Whether AK is scum or town, it's in town's best interest to make him target Samus or I.

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If you're scum that would be a really bad power for town. If you're a townie it still doesn't really help town.

Please pick an investigative role.

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Because the person who hammers is not necessarily scum.

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So your logic is "I'm going to pick a role useless to town so I don't get targeted"? Anti-town attitude imo. In fact if you're scum this is probably the best role you could pick (or pretend to). There would be no way for town to verify that you absorbed supersaint without lynching you. You could then proceed to use whatever night action you actually absorbed against town or NK.

On the other hand if you pick pikachu, we can get info about your alignment and your target using the mario-pikachu idea. This way your night actions are accounted for and you can be useful to town.

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Unvote. Vote: AK

for his anti-town behaviour.

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Once again, can i get a yea or nay from everyone on whether we should insist Lawrence use his power? I say yea.

Has this been discussed? If so can you refer me to the post? I'm a fan of people having accounted-for night actions but I don't see how we can verify that Link is doing anything.

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Who would he be assigned to protect? Do we have any confirmed town?

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do you mean "justify" doing anything or "verify" doing anything?

Verify...why would I write one word when I mean another?

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So what have we reached a consensus on? I'm guessing everyone is OK with me and Mario targeting a guy. I'm also guessing that everyone is OK with night actions being claimed on D2. Anything else?

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Targeted The Fonz.

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Sorry I'm here. I'm OK with targeting iamausername.

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Gorad atm. Votes with no explanation and protects a vig over doc or cop.

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Vote: andersonw

. Why? Because he was off the bandwagon. Simple as that.

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I'm leaving dahill off that list because he has an accounted for night action. Even if he wanted to, dahill would not be able to pull off an NK without getting caught. Same with me. There is the possibility that AK is scum but I'm going with you atm.

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Please read the front page: Three people will receive: “… and you’re scum, with X and Y. You are allowed to communicate at night with your partners. You win when the town and serial killer are dead. One of you may send in a kill each night. This player may not do any other actions that particular night, and the kill will be trackable/etc.

The SK however can use both his power and NK.

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Well, this game's really ground to a halt. Let's get on with lynching anderson already, come on guys.

I'm with you. Let's get'em fellas!

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Summary of cases:

Gorrad: Protected a vig over a doc or cop. Thinks he made the right move.

andersonw: "He lurked through the whole of D1, and made a post towards the end of the day expressing support for the SSK wagon, when it was pretty clear that that lynch was going to go through which looks a lot like distancing to me. He hasn't done any scumhunting without being specifically prompted to do so, and he's going after Gorrad today in a way that feels like he's just picking the easy target."

AK: D1 - seems more concerned about personal survival than the good of the town. ...that's all I can think of. Care to fill me in Gorad?

@ everyone: Am I missing anything?

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I like IAAU's post too, that's a solid case.

Unvote, Vote: andersonw

, L-1. Unless Fonz cares to respond to 440-441, I'll be vigging AK tonight.

Way to jump on a BW. Just to clarify: why is AK so scummy?

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Killing you would be a massively antitown action.

What's this mean?

Anyways, what do you guys think of assigning Lawrence a target tonight? He has one of those roles where a night action is difficult to verify, so how about we make him target one of our confirmed? I guess one could make the argument that it would be better to keep the scum guessing who to NK, but I'd feel safer with an assigned night action for Lawrence.

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Elaborate please.

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I'm guessing you're referring to 187 and 192 but the situation is different, we have confirmed peeps today.

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The BG role isn't really a doc. Docs are part investigative in that a successful protect results in a confirmed townie, so I agree that most of the time he should be left free to choose. BG is nowhere near as good. Even if he does successfully protect someone, town has no confirmed. If the BG is scum, it's the perfect role to use NKs as few would hold a BG accountable for even a power-role's death (as seen today). I think the best way to use the BG is to protect a confirmed. In the event that the confirmed dies we automatically know that the BG is scum.

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No, I am not referring to 187 and 192. Assigning Lawrence would be the worst idea since Olaf the hairy viking ordered 100 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.

Explain please. Please avoid spouting out dogmas.

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Aw. Don't worry about me folks. Pokemon don't die, they just faint. BTW Pikachu in SSB64 was pretty decent. He wasn't as good in Melee and I don't have Brawl yet.

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Aw. Kudos to The Fonz and his plan. Bad words to AK. Lying to town and misviging- tsk tsk.