Oops. The guy's been on my mind. Anyway, of course its possible that I was scum with some extra information. But matt's telling me that even if I am town, I just got lucky, and as I am town, and don't feel like I got lucky at all, I'm slightly annoyed by that.BM wrote: That quote was by me, not Matt himself.
Furthermore, your point might be right. On the other hand, it could just be that you DIDN'T have that read on RC, and just knew he was town.
ah i see. yeh i think i recall you doing something like this before. And regardless of the lack of absolute meaning given in my wording, im surprised at the confusion. I mean, if i want to pressure CKD, i want to pressure CKD. I dont do that if i vote VanDamien now, do i?Toaster Strudel wrote:Maybe I take your rhetoric too seriously.
You said you wanted to pressure CKD, but called VD a filthy scumbag. I thought that meant you thought VD was scummier than CKD, so I wondered why you weren't voting him.
Oh wow, I'm incorrect? Your evidence is compelling. You said you were moving on. Do I need to define "moving on" for you? When you say you think someone is town, but you're moving on, is there any interpretation other than "I'm not going to stop this wagon"? If you believed Rosso was town, why didn't you try to defend him until the end instead of moving on to vig candidates? And I'll say it again: You were occupying an ambiguous stance so you could always be partly right. If Rosso had turned up scum, you could get away with saying "good job" since you were going to stop defending him, and if you were town you could say "I was right" (which you did say). A townie would have no reason to do such a thing. Scum would have plenty of reasons to not be caught on the wrong side of a wagon.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Your first point is incorrect. I didn't give up. And even if I had, it was pretty clear that RC was going to get lynched, so, what if I had? And even if that wasn't the case, why would that make me scum?
Except we already showed that Rosso had no idea what he was doing. You could make the exact argument of "town have no reason to behave this way".TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:And an argument of "scum have no reason to behave this way" is actually sort of more than little.
This is an attempt to set up lynch targets today….Today he starts off with (1748)Battle Mage wrote:
If Rosso comes up town, we have plenty of distancers to look at tomorrow.
Vote: Rosso
even though he never stated he was suspicious of Ani yesterday.Battle Mage wrote:
Finally, with 3 of my high suspects dead, its time for a closer look at some other players, once we've all checked in.
I approve of this action...if he dies he is cult of some sort....if he hides and lives, then he is confirmed in my mind. A BM lynch does not make sense today.armlx wrote:
Why doesn't BM just hide tonight and Farside gun him down? If he was recruited I doubt he can still hide, so he will die. If he doesn't die, he's not cult.
Newbie= Matt Sarmlx wrote:Who is the newbie and who is the pro?
As Cult, what would i have to gain by claiming to suspect the Mafia GF? Its not like i need to distance from the lynch in any case. Besides, on the assumption that the Poison kill is a cult kill, i'd have been the one who killed Ani!curiouskarmadog wrote: 1660, BMThis is an attempt to set up lynch targets today….Today he starts off with (1748)Battle Mage wrote:
If Rosso comes up town, we have plenty of distancers to look at tomorrow.
Vote: Rosso
even though he never stated he was suspicious of Ani yesterday.Battle Mage wrote:
Finally, with 3 of my high suspects dead, its time for a closer look at some other players, once we've all checked in.
Dont flatter yourself. I believe ive already stated that my voting may seem erratic in this game, because im rereading regularly, and seeing where my past suspicions lie is easier when ive got bolded votes quoting the scummiest posts.CKD wrote: 1774, I ask him about this.
I must have spooked him because he immediately voted me once he read my comment, 1784.
BM's panic and frenzy OMGUS voting is troubling.
I dont think this plan is going to happen today at least. Its pretty wasteful, so its better to leave it until closer to endgame, as its possible ill have been NKed by then anyway.CKD wrote:I approve of this action...if he dies he is cult of some sort....if he hides and lives, then he is confirmed in my mind. A BM lynch does not make sense today.armlx wrote:
Why doesn't BM just hide tonight and Farside gun him down? If he was recruited I doubt he can still hide, so he will die. If he doesn't die, he's not cult.
Well, vig and lynch candidates were both important things to be discussed, so by "moving on," I meant "I am going to stop beating the dead horse of RC-town, because you all know my position, and you disagree." You might notice that I still continued to argue why RC was town for the rest of the day. Also, I was occupying a slightly ambiguous stance because, unlike some, I didn't know for sure whether RC was town.Matt_S wrote: When you say you think someone is town, but you're moving on, is there any interpretation other than "I'm not going to stop this wagon"?
As scum, wouldn't I know whether or not I was right? Isn't that what you were arguing? That my arguments sucked, so I must be scum because no townie could think like I did? So, which is it? Did I know RC was town or didn't I?Matt_S wrote: And I'll say it again: You were occupying an ambiguous stance so you could always be partly right.
Indeed you might. You'd be wrong, because RC's play fit perfectly into the profile of a townie who wasn't paying attention, but you might. And even if that were true, if RC's play made no sense as town or scum, you(they, we) shouldn't have lynched someone strictly on the basis of irrational play. You might as well lynch every absent player, or every VI.Matt_S wrote: Except we already showed that Rosso had no idea what he was doing. You could make the exact argument of "town have no reason to behave this way".
Aw, a backhanded compliment! You're too kind.BM wrote: I cant deny im enjoying watching the newbie outwit the pro.
I think it's a good idea, as a confirmed townie BM will be invaluable. We will know not to lynch him, and his hiding ability will make it more difficult for scum groups with a NK to kill him. If on the other hand he is actually cult, then the vig kill will go through and we're downa scum. I don't see much of a downside here. If Farside had a solid lock on an actual scum, then I would say, sure, kill them first, but rather than risking offing another townie, confirming BM is a good choice.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Is a good idea. Not sure using a vig on someone we definitely know is not in one group just to test the possibility that he's in the other is a good idea.
Every time I turn around there is another facet to BM's role that I have missed. Right, that's it, I'm off to reread all BM's posts.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:A confirmed BM will be dead, as he can't hide consecutive days.
Where are you getting this "can't hide consecutive days" from?TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:A confirmed BM will be dead, as he can't hide consecutive days.
Bolding mine, he says he can do it each nightBattleMage wrote:So far, you have failed to make ANY valid scenarios in which i would be scum, asking the RB not to target me. You've proven your own case invalid. Unfortunately you've rolefished to the extent that i have to now fully-claim. I'm not just a Miller. I'm a Miller cum Hider.Each night in order to protect myself, i can leave my house, and go stay with someone else, so if i am targetted by scum, i dont die, but if they target the guy im hiding with, then we both die. If I get Roleblocked, i wont be able to hide, and will probably die...
umm, I thought you said you were for it? why do I get the feeling you are trying to back out of this? If you are cult it will not be wasteful..if you are indeed the miller, it will not be wasteful..many people here suspect you, but now that it is obvious you are not mafia it would a.) provide a ton of information and b.) give us a confirmed townie.Battle Mage wrote: I dont think this plan is going to happen today at least. Its pretty wasteful, so its better to leave it until closer to endgame, as its possible ill have been NKed by then anyway.
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wait a minute..where did he say this?..did he say he hid somewhere last night?TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:A confirmed BM will be dead, as he can't hide consecutive days.
might as well add me to that list too, because I think it is a good idea...TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Also, I think there's a good chance armlx is scum. So far today, he's directed the vig to try and kill someone who we know isn't mafia (whome picks up more scum points for that too),
we know he isn't mafia, but he still could be cultTheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Also, I think there's a good chance armlx is scum. So far today, he's directed the vig to try and kill someone who we know isn't mafia (whome picks up more scum points for that too), and before that, waffled on whether or not he thought I was scum. Yesterday, he was a key driver of the RC wagon. Matt_S is still highest on my list, but I'm not like armlx much right now.
In fairness, the odds of me being scum are so ridiculously minute, its pretty hard not to be suspicious of those pushing the 'lets spend all our time discussing the pretty much confirmed guy, and potentially waste a vig shot on him', when as you say, we may not have our Vig forever.WhoMe? wrote:I think it's a good idea, as a confirmed townie BM will be invaluable. We will know not to lynch him, and his hiding ability will make it more difficult for scum groups with a NK to kill him. If on the other hand he is actually cult, then the vig kill will go through and we're downa scum. I don't see much of a downside here. If Farside had a solid lock on an actual scum, then I would say, sure, kill them first, but rather than risking offing another townie, confirming BM is a good choice.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Is a good idea. Not sure using a vig on someone we definitely know is not in one group just to test the possibility that he's in the other is a good idea.