Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

[killa seven]

im not gonna ride the skitzer wagon im waitin for the matt s wagon

Why does this not surprise me? I called this at the beginning of the day.

im just validating your theory.

[armlx]

So..... anything new to discuss, or are we gonna run dahill up to a claim about now.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

No, let's divert the lynch into TheSweatPantsNinja.

[Battle Mage]

The more my vote sits here, the more this feels like its going to turn into a default lynch.

Unvote, Vote dahill

Thats better.

very quick to compromise arent ya?

BM

[Xtoxm]

I kind of despise LurkerLynching with a fiery passion.

You could say i'm the opposite

[Xtoxm]

Armlx's 3 step plan for dealing with lurkers:
Step 1: Get the mod to prod them.
Step 2: Respond depending on how they post when they show up with votes or not.
Step 3: If no response, replace. Return to step 2.

Now with 100% default lynches!

Just saying BM, this is much more effective.

But this doesn't always work though. I wouldn't say it's so effective.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

So, um, Kscope, I get that this is your style and all, but surely there must be something in 93 pages worth commenting on?

A TS lynch is preferable to a dahill lynch. What's the case on dahill, anyway?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Yes, your death will be worth commenting on.

[Pie_is_good]

No, I don't. We've had as many town power roles killed as townies, plus two more already outed (liberally counting miller as a "power" role). . . and assuming that that ratio doesn't hold true, its going to be a vanillafest.

Or is that the rationale, that most of our power roles are already outed anyway? If so, I'd need the numbers explained to me to support it.

You're missing the point.

The point is: We're assuming the pool of dead players is a reasonable statistical sample of the town. Given that half the dead players were power roles, roughly half the town will be power roles. With that many power roles, there's hardly any drawback to massclaim - scum won't be able to kill off the good ones fast enough (plus there's a good chance they would hit power roles

anyways

). Also, the benefit is larger than normal - power roles can be directed with respect to each other.

You

really

think Skitzer, as mafia, would keep attacking BM?

Really?

yes, especially as both CKD and TS have done it, so he would be justified to assume that they will back him up.

BM

I don't see it. He was given the chance to back off the BMwagon inconspicuously, and he turned it down. I don't think you can take anything he does after that point as scummy - he obviously legitimately

believes

he can make a case against BM, whether he's scum or town, or else he would have backed out. Meaning the fact that he's attacking BM alone is inconclusive.

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Still waiting on CKDScum's response. Lynch him with me, guys! All the cool kids are doing it.

[Matt_S]

Mod:

Prod Peers please.

I'm not going to switch to the dahill wagon, because I haven't seen a convincing case other than his meta, yet I've seen him lynched in another game as town where he played pretty much the same way. So I still support Peers, TheSweatpantsNinja, and killa seven being made dead, in that order preferably.

As for a massclaim, I'm neutral leaning slightly against. I think it's a little too early.

[curiouskarmadog]

post coming today...

[dahill1]

i'll be willing to get on a CKD wagon
and im always in favor of a massclaim

[armlx]

The more my vote sits here, the more this feels like its going to turn into a default lynch.

Unvote, Vote dahill

Thats better.

very quick to compromise arent ya?

BM

Meh, thought he was scummy before and wasn't really feeling the skitzer thing. Plus, now he supports a mass claim.

[dahill1]

The more my vote sits here, the more this feels like its going to turn into a default lynch.

Unvote, Vote dahill

Thats better.

very quick to compromise arent ya?

BM

Meh, thought he was scummy before and wasn't really feeling the skitzer thing. Plus, now he supports a mass claim.

see my sig

[armlx]

Mass claim is not good with over 20 people alive.

[Battle Mage]

No, I don't. We've had as many town power roles killed as townies, plus two more already outed (liberally counting miller as a "power" role). . . and assuming that that ratio doesn't hold true, its going to be a vanillafest.

Or is that the rationale, that most of our power roles are already outed anyway? If so, I'd need the numbers explained to me to support it.

You're missing the point.

The point is: We're assuming the pool of dead players is a reasonable statistical sample of the town. Given that half the dead players were power roles, roughly half the town will be power roles. With that many power roles, there's hardly any drawback to massclaim - scum won't be able to kill off the good ones fast enough (plus there's a good chance they would hit power roles

anyways

). Also, the benefit is larger than normal - power roles can be directed with respect to each other.

That is a ridiculous assumption to make. Deaths at night are random, but lynches during the day are not. There are all sorts of factors that make such an estimate unrepresentative, and imo, it is rather unrealistic to assume that we have a power-role laden town.

Nevertheless, i do see some benefit to a massclaim anyway. I'm not sure atm. Lets see what others have to say.

You

really

think Skitzer, as mafia, would keep attacking BM?

Really?

yes, especially as both CKD and TS have done it, so he would be justified to assume that they will back him up.

BM

I don't see it. He was given the chance to back off the BMwagon inconspicuously, and he turned it down. I don't think you can take anything he does after that point as scummy - he obviously legitimately

believes

he can make a case against BM, whether he's scum or town, or else he would have backed out. Meaning the fact that he's attacking BM alone is inconclusive.

thats an interesting take on events, but not one i agree with. You said yourself that your only conclusion is that he genuinely believes there is a case to lynch me, but nobody is disputing that. After all, as scum or town, he wont intentionally attack someone who he cannot possibly get lynched. But i fail to see how the fact that he continued pushing it is any defence for him-rather it appears more likely stubbornness which i would be inclined to say is more scummy than townie (townies arent as afraid to backtrack and change their minds).

BM

[Battle Mage]

Mod:

Prod Peers please.

I'm not going to switch to the dahill wagon, because I haven't seen a convincing case other than his meta, yet I've seen him lynched in another game as town where he played pretty much the same way. So I still support Peers, TheSweatpantsNinja, and killa seven being made dead, in that order preferably.

As for a massclaim, I'm neutral leaning slightly against. I think it's a little too early.

His meta? who said that? where?

I thought id already posted this case-when i originally voted for him. I'll hook it out in a sec if it ever existed...

BM

[Battle Mage]

The more my vote sits here, the more this feels like its going to turn into a default lynch.

Unvote, Vote dahill

Thats better.

very quick to compromise arent ya?

BM

Meh, thought he was scummy before and wasn't really feeling the skitzer thing. Plus, now he supports a mass claim.

you 'werent feeling the Skitzer thing' just 1 page after voting for him??

Thats a pretty quick change of heart...
reason?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Mass claim is not good with over 20 people alive.

thats a rather 2 dimensional assessment if you dont mind me saying. What makes mass claim inherently bad with more players?
I'm looking to be persuaded here!!

BM

[Matt_S]

Mod:

Prod Peers please.

I'm not going to switch to the dahill wagon, because I haven't seen a convincing case other than his meta, yet I've seen him lynched in another game as town where he played pretty much the same way. So I still support Peers, TheSweatpantsNinja, and killa seven being made dead, in that order preferably.

As for a massclaim, I'm neutral leaning slightly against. I think it's a little too early.

His meta? who said that? where?

I thought id already posted this case-when i originally voted for him. I'll hook it out in a sec if it ever existed...

BM

armlx said that dahill's not playing the way he expects dahilltown to play. And all you did was say that his posts were scummy when you voted him.

[Battle Mage]

Lollercoaster. I just spotted something. I couldve sworn i thought Dahill was town earlier, but upon a reread of his posts in isolation, i'm seeing SCUM written all over him.

Unvote, Vote: Dahill1

Let the bandwagon roll!

BM

ah ok, apparently all i posted was this. But, i suggest you all do a pbpa of Dahill's posts, and i'll do the same, and we'll all come together with our findings!

BM

[Matt_S]

Lollercoaster. I just spotted something. I couldve sworn i thought Dahill was town earlier, but upon a reread of his posts in isolation, i'm seeing SCUM written all over him.

Unvote, Vote: Dahill1

Let the bandwagon roll!

BM

ah ok, apparently all i posted was this. But, i suggest you all do a pbpa of Dahill's posts, and i'll do the same, and we'll all come together with our findings!

BM

K, but I'm a little uncomfortable after a dahill mislynch in another game.

[armlx]

I've just come around to placing Skitzer on the outside of my default lynch list the past couple days. That means unless he does something truely awful I won't actively try to lynch him, but I will vig him in a vacuum and attack him for lesser things than I would DGB or Rosso.

Mass claim with 20 and all these deaths is awkward as there too much empty space for scum to hide.

[Battle Mage]

Lollercoaster. I just spotted something. I couldve sworn i thought Dahill was town earlier, but upon a reread of his posts in isolation, i'm seeing SCUM written all over him.

Unvote, Vote: Dahill1

Let the bandwagon roll!

BM

ah ok, apparently all i posted was this. But, i suggest you all do a pbpa of Dahill's posts, and i'll do the same, and we'll all come together with our findings!

BM

K, but I'm a little uncomfortable after a dahill mislynch in another game.

you cant be perpetually afraid of lynching someone just because you misread them in the past. Try to adapt your meta by all means, but do be aware that just because someone was town elsewhere, does not mean that they never get a Mafia role pm.

BM

[dahill1]

i thought it was my meta? hm guess i was wrong