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[xx2008]

I kind of think the wagon on sephiroth was scum driven, and dva is my prime suspect.

[Performer]

Basically.

How do we measure:
a) the potential value of d1's lynch for informing reads
vs.
b) the dead weight on future days
?

a;lksdjfl;kdasjfal;ksdj this seems out of character for you.
pedit: at dva

What does this even mean??

Was this ever answered, ofrhz?

@saud who are your other scumreads at this point?

Still waiting for this.

@AP I don't see why you'd react like that when I didn't recall you explaining your tr on seph. I recall you simply gave him a tr when he said nothing was going on, though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Page 8

If I wasn't already voting ofrhz, I would probably be starting now.
Pretty underwhelming imo.

do you frequently encourage policy lynching inactives?

This is a bit of a misrep

I'm still in the... game is early, people are finding their rhythm... kinda phase. I'm cool for a bit yet

And this feels a bit defensive given Maxous’ previous response. Scumreading profii

Hi AP

RCE is town I think

You mean town town, or the other way around? You were Frau Farbissina of late. What makes you think I can trust you off the gate this time around?

Hi AP

RCE is town I think

Ewww why am I town? :p but hi Ofrhz.

Are we going to do this dance every game from now on, AP?

No I think he's town town. He literally skated by as scum in Mini 2038. Come on, you just played against scum!him

i like to bait a bit

I think I'm sheeping ofrhz jumping to a conclusion, could just be wrong, but i wondered if you were informed if you reacted in a way that might reinforce the ~reason~ actually being right.

we will find out later, still not worth a lynch right now

What are you sheeping? The RCE read?

Does an AP wagon truly need a reason?

Yeah that question was silly and pinged me a bit

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Isn't Creature supposed to be easily readable by post count/effort?

I like this post
Also yeah Creature can be read by a few things that tie into effort, I can find the list if anyone cares

"Isn't Creature supposed to be easily readable by post count/effort?"
Unless his scum meta changed considerably , then that's how I read creature too.

Theory:
>Scum!Creature would use this reasoning to active post initially in a game, then would nightkill everyone who townread him based on this meta reason, and then go back to scum!lurking with the entire graveyard saying he's locktown based on meta.

So, while I'm not saying I think Creature is particularly scummy this game, I don't think that him copy/pasting a list a few times is a good reason to townread him quite yet thanks.

Creature actually does this minus the killing of those who can read him, he just coasts on the people who think activity tells suck

Hey creature do you mind going through at least one of the slots and explaining which posts fall in which category and why? I understand the idea of a like/dislike/null paradigm but I want to see what the thought process is. Its really just kind of a black box right now and I'd like it to not be entirely.

Liking this, feels nuanced

[Gamma Emerald]

why ap said that

good luck with figuring that out

AP is like
2+3=sex (it doesn't even make sense because 2+3 doesn't =6 --that's how bad his jokes are)

Really though, I don't know why he's acting like there isn't enough content in the thread to at least give a real first impression of someone, townlean or scumlean or whatever. On that same point, he focused a lot on his "popularity" like he was getting bumrushed when he was at L-7, which made his initial posts seem, not exactly like an overreaction, but not particularly townie either.

Levity is fine, but I'd like him to do more than meme and omgus.

AP’s main is already super-memey, and AP is supposed to be an elevation of that already high value

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuck
I’m gonna stick to the format still cos I like it

[Gamma Emerald]

Page 9 (the Sephiroth vs Nosferatu page)

Enigma, why are you townreading Nosferatu?

I think as scum it would be very nuanced to use the difficulty of confirming roles for town. As opposed to mafia whom could confirm in their pt pregame.

this is like wack/10

pedit: apparently calling an idea dumb is an "attack on your intelligence." wild how hard someone can buzzword their way through any conversation.

You both look a bit like fools to me rn
Like Sephiroth isn’t contributing much but it’s still early game so kinda harsh to judge him, and Nos just doesn’t do much anyway (this is not meant to be an insult, just a statement).

@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

Those thoughts look incongruous to me. Why would he step back if he was trying to fake a tunnel?

[AP]

OK, having seen the Nos vs Seph debacle I find myself obliged to apologize for the one I had with Seph in the previous game. It does look good from inside your shell, but ssing it from the outside I can see how that confuses everyone as hell.

Preliminary read is that this is a TvT, but I'm slightly more confident in the Seph read at this time. Nos and I will have to sort each other sometime soon if they're town.

@Performer: First mention of Seph in my ISO.

But I concede I got confused and I only explained it once

in this game

(I hope that's a clear enough hint, because that's as much as I can say).

[Gamma Emerald]

My issue was more with you choosing specifically to focus on attacking something that you (as far as I can tell) didn't even find scummy instead of just going straight for something like 212. Now I've never played with you before and maybe randomly lashing out at other people's posts over some small detail is how you get off, but to me it shows a lack of interest in scumhunting. Its also amazing the reaction I got from just questioning that quip and your play so far, and to me very interesting that you come out with 212 right after that little argument. Almost like you remembered you're supposed to be scumhunting.

not really?

i was going to wait until page 10 to go back and organize a readslist, which is something I have to do early otherwise I get lost.

i saw that post, replied and then was like "might as well do it now"

"remembering im supposed to scumhunt" argument is like ?? like i got carried away doing nothing at all or something lol

lack of interest in scumhunting is fair i guess cause when i made that initial quip if you wanna call it that i didnt really want to scumhunt

but this turned into a thing so now i did that and will probably promptly go right back to making quips

So did they just go from salty at each other to townreading each other
Cos Nos already said Seph’s actions didn’t make much sense as scum and vis the “supposed to be scumhunting” comment I get the feeling Sephiroth thinks Nos is town too

Yawn, I'm not feeling like updating that list

Maybe you shouldn’t try that in a 19p large

Sephiroth, explain what the first to votes here were for?

I've played a lot of overwatch over the past couple years so I was jokingly voting them for badmouthing the game.

I see then. Thanks for explaining that.

I've seen players pushing me because of that and I'm willing to bet there are scum among them.

Who do you think it is?

[Carcalilly]

FL you're a wonderful conftown but I like disagree with most of your assumptions oof

[Maxous]

well i'm 8 pages behind.

hang on

[Performer]

OK, having seen the Nos vs Seph debacle I find myself obliged to apologize for the one I had with Seph in the previous game. It does look good from inside your shell, but ssing it from the outside I can see how that confuses everyone as hell.

Preliminary read is that this is a TvT, but I'm slightly more confident in the Seph read at this time. Nos and I will have to sort each other sometime soon if they're town.

@Performer: First mention of Seph in my ISO.

But I concede I got confused and I only explained it once

in this game

(I hope that's a clear enough hint, because that's as much as I can say).

That was a confusing post . Thought you were saying "preliminary" like you think they're town, then you're leaning seph town, then you said nos & you have to sort each other IF seph is town . Wasn't clear in that post but thanks for elaborating.
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Carca , thoughts on shatt & seph?
Sadu, thoughts on flubb & shatt?

[Maxous]

Well, when you say things that reflect you not reading the thread, I will ask about that. You accused people of voting you out of poe when I don't think anyone is, so if you think that's unfair to ask about then, hmm, let me think about that

VOTE: Sephiroth

Shading me for asking you about shit that you say that doesn't make sense -- congrats, you're no longer a poe lynch to me

what is this nonsense

he literally said he was v/la and only skimmed the thread.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL you're a wonderful conftown but I like disagree with most of your assumptions oof

I mean, I went pretty open ended, I believe and didn’t say anything was positive. I just said where my thoughts were.

Please explain which in particular you disagree with, and why you see it differently. I want to see if you actually have reads or if it’s just political.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 1.8

xx2008(0):

Performer(0):

Carcalilly(0):

Maxous(0):Nosferatu;

Garmr(0):

Saudade

Inferno390

(0):

Creature(0):

Sephiroth(6):Creature;profii;Saudade;DVa;ofrhz;Performer;

Nosferatu(1):Gamma Emerald;

Gamma Emerald

FA_Q2

(0):

AP(1):Maxous;

Shattiel

DS

(3):Flubbernugget;Garmr;RCEnigma;

Completly Trustworthy(0):

Flavor Leaf(0)

:

profii(0):

Flubbernugget(2):Carcalilly;Completely Trustworthy;

DVa(1):xx2008;

RCEnigma(0):

ofrhz(1):Sephiroth;

NoLynch(1):Shattiel;

Not Voting(2):AP;

Flavor Leaf

;

With 19 alive it is 10 to lynch.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2018-11-11 11:11:11) or when a lynch has been achieved.

Creature and ofrhz have been prodded.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Flubbernugget
I remember getting scumpings from this, and I don’t wanna vanity vote rn

[DVa]

Well, when you say things that reflect you not reading the thread, I will ask about that. You accused people of voting you out of poe when I don't think anyone is, so if you think that's unfair to ask about then, hmm, let me think about that

VOTE: Sephiroth

Shading me for asking you about shit that you say that doesn't make sense -- congrats, you're no longer a poe lynch to me

what is this nonsense

he literally said he was v/la and only skimmed the thread.

VOTE: Maxous

[Maxous]

that sounds more like a policy lynch lets talk about your scumreads.

Why does everybody bring up policy lynching so often? I have NO CONFIDENT SCUM READS. I thus opt to use my gut and I know my gut isn't a good tool (some players have good gut reads, but I'm not one of those), but I have no better alternative.

@AP:

remind what your scum-reads are cause i can only remember a weak one on carcilly

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, when you say things that reflect you not reading the thread, I will ask about that. You accused people of voting you out of poe when I don't think anyone is, so if you think that's unfair to ask about then, hmm, let me think about that

VOTE: Sephiroth

Shading me for asking you about shit that you say that doesn't make sense -- congrats, you're no longer a poe lynch to me

what is this nonsense

he literally said he was v/la and only skimmed the thread.

VOTE: Maxous

Oo...look at this Maxi, she done calling you out.

Response?

[Maxous]

Hi Gamma

VOTE: seph

still have a scum read here.

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I'm not sure why everyone is voting Sephiroth. I don't find him super scummy. I think this is a scum-driven wagon, but I might be wrong.

the confirmed town jumped on him and and think it did give licence for scummy players to jump.
i would guess 2 of them

[Sephiroth]

Does Dva normally just vote people whose opinions differ from her own, or who have mildly offended her sensibilities? Asking for a friend.

[DVa]

the confirmed town jumped on him and and think it did give licence for scummy players to jump.
i would guess 2 of them

This is scum

[Maxous]

Oo...look at this Maxi, she done calling you out.

Response?

don't really have a scum-read on dva as i read further but that vote on Seph was still crap

i'll give a brief summary of where i'm at in a few minutes

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m gonna be pissed and happy if Maxous, my literal first dubbed scum candidate this game, is the lynch today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Does Dva normally just vote people whose opinions differ from her own, or who have mildly offended her sensibilities? Asking for a friend.

Don’t think I’ve ever played with her.

I could see it coming from town or scum, though.

I think she senses a lot of pressure on her.

[Performer]

Does Dva normally just vote people whose opinions differ from her own, or who have mildly offended her sensibilities? Asking for a friend.

I thnk you're just asking for yourself so just say it as it as !

Anyway, I suspect she voted you partly because of the name calling, which I found to be really , really bad. Like why bring in something totally unneeded? There was a game where scum in a micro game, said something like "what are you 5 years old?" and I called it out as bizarre and possibly even scummy. It turned out the 2 of them were indeed scum. Regardless, it's also offensive...so just stay away from saying things like that Thank you.