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Were you waiting for something to happen between responding to the motion detection outage and specifically saying you were disloyal rb
I mean it’s obvious that you knew what you were going to claim in the first post, but there was like a 9 hour gap before you totally cleared things up - were you waiting for someone (Maxous?) to say something to verify something?-
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ap wants to dieIn post 1639, Performer wrote:You have ct as scum AND in not sorted
you have AP as tr AND you voted him
Then you return to coasting
im not gonna deny him
and we've both talked about ct... i thought u understood his place in the readlist.
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I kinda was hoping he'd slip, yes. In fact, I wanted to keep it hidden for a bit longer if I didn't see people voting me casually.
To be precise, I made my 1st comment when I saw both CT & Garmr voting me, but then I left. I came back to be stunned by Nos having joined my wagon, and I felt if I stayed quiet any longer that you might too, and then it wouldn't have taken much for the wagon to reach it's climax. I either had to speak up or keep quiet, because if I even tried to just ignore the wagon and carry on with the plan that would have still been seen as suspicious, and you and I both know people (Maxous) would have said I was taking my time to think of a good claim. *Sigh*
Actually, I will admit myself this is not out of my scum range either, to be completely honest. Whatisthough is that hidden crumb of my target from D1 when I was talking to FL. That is totally out of my scum range, because I couldn't have possibly anticipated I would be precisely "motion detected", and that Maxous would also be specifically "tracked". I mean, even assuming Flubber somehow did convey his "information", what exactly do you 9or anyone else) think he would have been informed of? Would he be told of the existence of a multitasking JOAT??? Would he also be told who that was??? Let's be crazy and say that he knew both these things.. would he be told whom Performer will target and with which ability???? If not, then why the hell did I tell FL I needed more than just his opinion regarding Maxous?YEAH BABY YEAH!
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@Nos: What's with the sudden flip on me? For real? Why did you take my sarcastic comment literally? I was saying I'm not enjoying my role, and I was frustrated my wagon was growing before I even got what I wanted from Maxous. But then Performer claimed and Maxous would not have said anything, because it was outed he didn't go anywhere anyway, so I also claimed.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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i didnt really flip on anythingIn post 1703, AP wrote:@Nos: What's with the sudden flip on me? For real? Why did you take my sarcastic comment literally? I was saying I'm not enjoying my role, and I was frustrated my wagon was growing before I even got what I wanted from Maxous. But then Performer claimed and Maxous would not have said anything, because it was outed he didn't go anywhere anyway, so I also claimed.
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In post 1616, AP wrote:I love it when people go "If there was motion on/from that slot they must be scum"! Motion Detector cannot even tell if I performed an action or one was performed on me (or both).
But sure, lynch me. The game is not fun and my role isn't fun either. I don't even know why it exists in the first place.
I mean, I do see the functionality from a mechanical PoV, but it tellsmenothing, so I'm probably shooting blanks in all directions.
I think these two posts go hand-in-hand with one another. The disloyal Roleblocker doesn't seem to be that helpful of a role. The fact that the first post was made before the second also makes it seem more real.In post 1625, AP wrote:In post 1617, Flavor Leaf wrote:Are you loyal vig? I love that as a role.
If I was I would have never acted.
I'm DISloyal RB. This means I don't even know if my action succeeded or not. I targeted Maxous. It was between him and Shattiel for me.-
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Now that I've seen this, I have a much better idea of what a disloyal rb does. I like the reasoning in this post, especially those involving alignments. I also like the reasoning behind the setup speculations.In post 1649, Performer wrote:The Role Itself
Disloyal is a role modifier conceived as a complement to the earlier Loyal modifier. If a player is Disloyal, then any attempts by that player to use a night action on a player with the same alignment will fail (as though they had been roleblocked). As such, a disloyal player can only succeed with actions when targeting a player of a different alignment.
-Considering rule 15 of how there could multiple folks with same abilities, the rb portion of his claim doesn't sound outlandish...dva also had a similar ability
-I need to re ISO ap to see if his post about max & shat, even make sense
-If he's disloyal rb tpr & targeted someone, they must target a player opposite their alignment to have their action go through.
If he's scum disloyal rb & targeted someone, same as above so his role is risky either way...as a negative utility role.
Setup Speculations
1. mafia: disloyal rb, informed goon, 1-2 more scum
town: n2+n3 stopper, multi joat, IC, maybe 1-3 more tprs based on NRG balancing
2. mafia: informed goon, 2-3 more scum
town: n2+n3 stopper, mult joat, IC, disloyal rb, 1-2 more tprs based on NRG balancing
I see either case is possible .
More Thoughts About Disloyal Rb Claim from AP
See, this is why I wanted to wait for my targets to say something to my actions on the, BEFORE I outed my results. But now, who knows if AP is fabricating this as a scum story because he just so conveniently targeted maxous also.
Has anyone EVER seen a disloyal tpr? This is the first I've even heard of it.
AP remind us - why did you target max??
Consider this: if town ap thought max was scum, then his disloyal role means max HAS to hit someone of OPPOSITE alignment in order for his role to work. If max was indeed scum, then max OBVIOUSLY would target OPPOSITE ALIGNMENT aka anyone other than his team. Now, if max turned out to be a tpr too, then town ap shouldn't even risk it because what if tpr max had a protect or some other good ability to help town - then ap would've neutralized max's role. So ideally ap needs to have waited until another night to use his ability, because on n1 he could've neutralized tpr.
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This I agree with, and has been a strategy I used sometimes in irl mafia. But, supposing one were scum, one might think town pr's would think this way, and actually target fl instead of another target. It's hard to predict what the scumteam would do as town and what tpr's would do as scum, which makes the game very complex.In post 1656, AP wrote:Generally speaking I use implicit WIFOM for my targeted actions. For example, if I was a Doctor I would have more likely protected Profii. Why Profii? Bc I hard TR him. Why not FL? Because Scum will assume he will be protected anyway. What if Scum have a strongman shot? Then my protection on FL would have been useless anyway.
If I was an explicit investigative (say a Cop) I would have checked in Maxous Shattiel, and not in people already in my lynch pool. I'd worry more about the scum I might not want to lynch (i.e. not including in my lynchpool) than the one(s) I already have in my lynchpool.
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where do u think i should be voting gamma
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Can you explain why you find Maxous case more compelling than my point about Maxous doing exactly what he accused AP ofIn post 1515, Carcalilly wrote:You're worrying me slightly but I see where you're coming from.
AP makes me more paranoid, he seems like a much better player than what you can see for now.
FTR I’m now leaning town on AP and Maxous-
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I said how not where
You lack conviction and just seem to be taking easy wagons<Embrace The Void>
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In post 1656, AP wrote:Generally speaking I use implicit WIFOM for my targeted actions. For example, if I was a Doctor I would have more likely protected Profii. Why Profii? Bc I hard TR him. Why not FL? Because Scum will assume he will be protected anyway. What if Scum have a strongman shot? Then my protection on FL would have been useless anyway.
If I was an explicit investigative (say a Cop) I would have checked in Maxous Shattiel, and not in people already in my lynch pool. I'd worry more about the scum I might not want to lynch (i.e. not including in my lynchpool) than the one(s) I already have in my lynchpool.
Got it?
I think these two posts seem to contradict one another. reading one posts and then the other , it's pretty clear they don't exactly express the same thoughts.In post 1671, AP wrote:
PLEASE.. when I link a game I do mean for people to at least go check it.In post 1663, Performer wrote:AP I don't get how you progressed from max not being in your lynchpool & being town, to rbing him on n1, to saying his case on you is scummy.
When I intent to block X I do NOT explicitly put them in my SRs. When I want to investigate X I do NOR put them in my SRs either.
When I want toprotectsomeone it would most probably be someone I expect scum would kill that night and not necessarily my top TR.
If I wanted to VIG someone it will be from the "turbulent middle area" on my read list, not the ones at the bottom.
When I removed Shattiel from my lynchpool that was my intended RB target. Then I decided Maxous was more worthy of my "love touch" to I switched them. I didn't have a strong TR on him.
^^ See? I wasn't sure (and I was also teasing FL about his shitty play in another game that has now ended). THIS is the point where I decided I'd go for Max rather than Shattiel.In post 848, AP wrote:@FL: I get that. I got it the first time too. Problem is [redacted][redacted][reacted] so I hope you'll excuse me if I don't fully trust your read. Not that I have a "strong" read on Maxous anyway, but he's not in my lynch pool for D1, so it would take me more than just your word of honour to sheep you there.-
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could you bold like one sentence from each that contradict one anotherIn post 1720, xx2008 wrote:I think these two posts seem to contradict one another. reading one posts and then the other , it's pretty clear they don't exactly express the same thoughts.-
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In post 1656, AP wrote:Generally speaking I use implicit WIFOM for my targeted actions.For example, if I was a Doctor I would have more likely protected Profii. Why Profii? Bc I hard TR him.Why not FL? Because Scum will assume he will be protected anyway. What if Scum have a strongman shot? Then my protection on FL would have been useless anyway.
If I was an explicit investigative (say a Cop) I would have checked in Maxous Shattiel, and not in people already in my lynch pool. I'd worry more about the scum I might not want to lynch (i.e. not including in my lynchpool) than the one(s) I already have in my lynchpool.
Got it?
These were the parts that were contradicting each other.In post 1671, AP wrote:
PLEASE.. when I link a game I do mean for people to at least go check it.In post 1663, Performer wrote:AP I don't get how you progressed from max not being in your lynchpool & being town, to rbing him on n1, to saying his case on you is scummy.
When I intent to block X I do NOT explicitly put them in my SRs. When I want to investigate X I do NOR put them in my SRs either.
When I want toprotectsomeone it would most probably be someone I expect scum would kill that night and not necessarily my top TR.
If I wanted to VIG someone it will be from the "turbulent middle area" on my read list, not the ones at the bottom.
When I removed Shattiel from my lynchpool that was my intended RB target. Then I decided Maxous was more worthy of my "love touch" to I switched them. I didn't have a strong TR on him.
^^ See? I wasn't sure (and I was also teasing FL about his shitty play in another game that has now ended). THIS is the point where I decided I'd go for Max rather than Shattiel.In post 848, AP wrote:@FL: I get that. I got it the first time too. Problem is [redacted][redacted][reacted] so I hope you'll excuse me if I don't fully trust your read. Not that I have a "strong" read on Maxous anyway, but he's not in my lynch pool for D1, so it would take me more than just your word of honour to sheep you there.
I know this might be a wild and wrong guess, but does anyone think ap is fake-claiming?
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