Cultafia: Game over

[armlx]

Oh, I see what you did there.

[SlySly]

Yup, my recruiter is N-N, skruffs is also in the cult

EBWOP: armlx is also with it.

Surely, you jest!

Isn't it against the rules to expose your scum buddies and their hierarchies like that?

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For example, how did you ascertain these suspicions?

By process of elimination during examination of the CKD wagon.

Of the 6 responsible for the CKD mislynch, it was more or less a coin flip decision between the two I found the most suspicious. I felt the pressure would be better put on you at this point in the game.

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SlySly: can you explain your suspicion of the CKD train better?

For starters, your missing the claim/leaving your vote on after realization was highly suspicious. Aoiqwe's actions were looking very scummy to close out the day yesterday and he has not redeemed himself yet today.

[armlx]

Sly: It is not against the rules if doing so isn't not playing to win.

[mnowax]

going to letchworth for the weekend be back mon/tues

[vollkan]

armlx's blind acceptance of aio's statement as a counter-claim is bizzare, but I don't really see what scum motivation he could have had for making such an odd assertion with little benefit to be had (CKD was likely going to be lynched regardless of where armlx's vote was and why).

But the assertion does provide a good out. It's one thing for scum to find a good reason to vote somebody; it's much better for scum if they can find a way to blame their vote on somebody else (ie. "I thought aio was counter-claiming. Bad aio for being so misleading!").

We'll find out.

vote: aioqwe

I'm curious as to why you would vote somebody on them apparently claiming recruit. Sure, they might well be recruiter, but that's not really a good enough reason. It's been discussed ad nauseum why Recruiter lynch >>>>>>>>>> Recruit lynch, so surely a recruit claim doesn't automatically merit a kneejerk vote?

[aioqwe]

What did I do armlx? I just claimed a recruit and gave out my fellow cultees like a good townie wood

Yup, my recruiter is N-N, skruffs is also in the cult

EBWOP: armlx is also with it.

Surely, you jest!

Isn't it against the rules to expose your scum buddies and their hierarchies like that?

No N-N is actually my leader have fun lynching him You can lynch me next, but it's better to get rid of leaders first eh

But yeah, I'm town.

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For example, how did you ascertain these suspicions?

By process of elimination during examination of the CKD wagon.

Of the 6 responsible for the CKD mislynch, it was more or less a coin flip decision between the two I found the most suspicious. I felt the pressure would be better put on you at this point in the game.

Okay, I also intended how you arrived at how everyone else is "seemingly pro-town" or "no-suspicion". Do you see anyone who is somewhat scum?

[Skruffs]

Unvote, Vote: SlySly

[NabakovNabakov]

armlx's blind acceptance of aio's statement as a counter-claim is bizzare, but I don't really see what scum motivation he could have had for making such an odd assertion with little benefit to be had (CKD was likely going to be lynched regardless of where armlx's vote was and why).

But the assertion does provide a good out. It's one thing for scum to find a good reason to vote somebody; it's much better for scum if they can find a way to blame their vote on somebody else (ie. "I thought aio was counter-claiming. Bad aio for being so misleading!").

I understand that it gave him a sneaky out (that's why it's scummy), but I don't understand why he would have to get in in the first place. Correct my timeline if it's off, but I believe a CKD lynch was pretty much assured by that point.

Debating whether aio's backpedal is genuine, accidental, or incredibly suspicious. I'll report back later.

[Yosarian2]

I'm curious as to why you would vote somebody on them apparently claiming recruit. Sure, they might well be recruiter, but that's not really a good enough reason. It's been discussed ad nauseum why Recruiter lynch >>>>>>>>>> Recruit lynch, so surely a recruit claim doesn't automatically merit a kneejerk vote?

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I tend to think that a recruiter is at least as likely to claim recruit as a recruit would be. Besides, if someone claims recruit, then we know that they've pretty much got to be some kind of scum but we don't know what kind, which automatically makes them a pretty good lynch at least.

[armlx]

I'm curious as to why you would vote somebody on them apparently claiming recruit. Sure, they might well be recruiter, but that's not really a good enough reason. It's been discussed ad nauseum why Recruiter lynch >>>>>>>>>> Recruit lynch, so surely a recruit claim doesn't automatically merit a kneejerk vote?

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I tend to think that a recruiter is at least as likely to claim recruit as a recruit would be. Besides, if someone claims recruit, then we know that they've pretty much got to be some kind of scum but we don't know what kind, which automatically makes them a pretty good lynch at least.

I definitely agree with that, despite the D1 recruit claim being a lie.

[Norinel]

Vote Count:

aioqwe (2) - SlySly, Beep! Beep!
Beep! Beep! (1) - the silent speaker
Skruffs (1) - mnowax
SlySly (1) - Skruffs

Not voting (5): aioqwe, armlx, NabakovNabakov, vollkan, Yosarian2

6 to lynch

[Skruffs]

Wow. Yos's last post was incredibly insightful. Bravo, Yos.

Unvote, Vote: Aioqwe

[armlx]

I still believe a recruiter wouldn't be that aggressive though.

[Skruffs]

Yes you do.

That's exactly why you were saying MNOWAX was a recruiter, yesterday.

[the silent speaker]

I didn't see anywhere aioqwe claimed recruit seriously (posts 873-4 looked pretty obviously sarcastic to me, naming as he did all the people accusing him) but well said, Skruffs. If aioqwe turns up cult armlx should probably be next. I have a hunch Yos might be allied with Beep, also, which gives me a theory to guide a reread with; I will want to see whether that holds up, and if it does, who to round out the cults with. We could be close to a breakthrough here.

[Yosarian2]

Uh...what? What you basing that on, TSS?

I will say that I'd be up for either a aioqwe or a armlx lynch, they both look pretty shifty to me.

[armlx]

Yes you do.

That's exactly why you were saying MNOWAX was a recruiter, yesterday.

No, I was saying Mno was a recruiter as the actions all added up to it.

[Skruffs]

We're either close to a breakthrough, or the end of the game.

[vollkan]

I'm curious as to why you would vote somebody on them apparently claiming recruit. Sure, they might well be recruiter, but that's not really a good enough reason. It's been discussed ad nauseum why Recruiter lynch >>>>>>>>>> Recruit lynch, so surely a recruit claim doesn't automatically merit a kneejerk vote?

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I tend to think that a recruiter is at least as likely to claim recruit as a recruit would be. Besides, if someone claims recruit, then we know that they've pretty much got to be some kind of scum but we don't know what kind, which automatically makes them a pretty good lynch at least.

Well, a recruit lynch is obviously vastly superior than a town lynch, but it also is not as good as a recruiter lynch by far. The point I was making was that voting recruit-claims on a kneejerk is not a good policy since, necessarily, the opportunity cost may be not lynching a recruiter. Nuanced judgment of the claim is needed, rather than simply reacting with a vote - as Beep did.

Wow. Yos's last post was incredibly insightful. Bravo, Yos.
Unvote, Vote: Aioqwe

Yos's post was very much correct, but I don't see how it justifies this vote by you.

[Skruffs]

Oh. Were only other players allowed to read Yos's post? Or are you saying that I'm not supposed to be voting right now?

Aioqwe has as much sa claimed recruit. Yos explained why someone claiming recruit is most likely NOT a recruit, which means they are more likely a cult recruiter or an SK.

You agree with his post but you don't agree with putting his post into action?

IGMEOY Vollkan

I think that's two eyes on you now.

[armlx]

I still think aioqwe is a recruit not a recruiter claiming recruit. Only thing I'm wondering is who recruited him and when/why. He seems like a very low profile recruiting target.

[vollkan]

Oh. Were only other players allowed to read Yos's post? Or are you saying that I'm not supposed to be voting right now?

Aioqwe has as much sa claimed recruit. Yos explained why someone claiming recruit is most likely NOT a recruit, which means they are more likely a cult recruiter or an SK.

You agree with his post but you don't agree with putting his post into action?

IGMEOY Vollkan

I think that's two eyes on you now.

Er...no. Maybe you could explain this in more detail. My understanding of Yos's post was as follows:
"Anybody that claims recruit is scum. Thus, they are more likely than any player taken at random to be cult leader. Since they are scum anyway, that makes them a fairly good lynch"

I agree with that.

What I do

not

agree with is seeing a recruit claim as justification for slapping a vote down.

So, let me ask you, what makes you think that aio is a recruit

er

as opposed to a recruit (why isn't the word 'recruitee' by the way? I mean, we have "employer" and "employee", not "employer" and "employ". Answer THAT as well skruffs!)?

[Skruffs]

I'm sorry.

Did you really just say that claiming scum is not enough of a reason to vote someone?

You did.

How about this:

If you really think that Yosarian2's statement is fairly accurate BUT that it shouldn't be held applicable to Vollkan, why don't you go ahead and point out who you think the recruiter IS?

[Yosarian2]

I still think aioqwe is a recruit not a recruiter claiming recruit. Only thing I'm wondering is who recruited him and when/why. He seems like a very low profile recruiting target.

I donno, Arlmx, why did you recruit aioqwe?

[armlx]

I still think aioqwe is a recruit not a recruiter claiming recruit. Only thing I'm wondering is who recruited him and when/why. He seems like a very low profile recruiting target.

I donno, Arlmx, why did you recruit aioqwe?

I see what you did there...

In all seriousness, as CL, I would avoid recruiting players I feel could be a liability to me.