Mushroom Kingdom Mafia (Game over!)

[Riceballtail]

like... /confirm

-sidenote- moving today, should be back on by 6/5 at latest.

[Riceballtail]

VOTE: Mr. Incrediball

There's only enough room for one ball in this town. I suggest you roll on out.

[Riceballtail]

What's BM?

Beast Mastery.

[Riceballtail]

First post claims there's a Mario and Luigi role.

[Riceballtail]

The trade + trade back thing seems valid, though I don't see what it accomplishes besides prove Surye has no item. Pretty sure Gimbo has an item based on that farside thing, unless farside was just bluffing her item (which was probably the other reason Lawrencelot was talking about as the first post says there are no power roles), and again his claim is confirmable by itself.

He only pointed out that there were no "regular" power roles (cop, vig, etc.)

I also approve of the trade/trade back motion. It is Gimbo's chance to verify himself, and Surye gets lynched if he doesn't give it back.

[Riceballtail]

Individual based decisions on coin use> majority based coin use that can be influenced and corrupted by scum.

/agree

It would most likely end up hurting the town to mass vig and pool coins, as those who do not start with self recovery items are now at risk of your plan. It's a great idea... as a scum.

UNVOTE
VOTE: TSN

[Riceballtail]

Yes it is, and it isn't big enough yet. Join us!

[Riceballtail]

To summarize 21 pages for you, Gimbo has a 1-up mushroom and posts erratically, surye doesn't have an item, several people are lurking, actively or not.

In other news, Farside is really starting to click to me. I was fairly sure she was town, but am no longer convinced as such. However, I still support a TSN lynch.

[Riceballtail]

The 1-up mushroom is apparently a revival mechanism, day use only. It has another property that is beneficial for scum. We don't know what that is unless you're Gimbo and Surye.

[Riceballtail]

I am going on vacation tomorrow and will have limited access until the 30th.

Will still try to check in.

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
Cream147 (3): armlx, Phoebus, Alabaska J
TheSweatpantsNinja (3): sideney, Riceballtail, iamausername
Alabaska J (2): populartajo, farside22
farside22 (1): TheSweatpantsNinja
somestrangeflea (1): Dead Rikimaru
armlx (1): killa seven
Rogue Shenanigans (1): skitzer

No lynch (1): malthusis

Not voting (11): Surye, andersonw, Pepsidude, Cream147, FaerieLord, Celebloki, mr. incrediball, Rogue Shenanigans, Gimbo, DragonsofSummer, somestrangeflea

With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch.

[Riceballtail]

Apologies, I must have missed this when I posted I would be on V/LA...

Anyway, as far as right now goes, I still don't see much beneficial discussion. There's too much beating around the bush, with not enough content.

@Gimbo: Lurker hunting will help, but lurking doesn't always make you scum. I strongly doubt we have 10 scum in this game, but I could be wrong too. I don't think you would be scum for having that item, but you certainly earned the attention of a lot of scum with that extra info.

unvote
vote:surye

for revealing that. It was fairly scummy, and I don't like it.

[Riceballtail]

I'd actually be okay with a NL D1. Mindless wagoning right now is still roughly 70% likely to hit town. Even with some level of reasoning, we won't lower it too often.

UNVOTE
VOTE: NO-LYNCH

IGMEOY:Surye

I do still find it scummy, but you make a good point; I hadn't thought of it that way.

If we get close enough, I could be persuaded to lynch FL, but I'm not too anxious right now.

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
Cream147 (6): armlx, Phoebus, Alabaska J, Gimbo, TheSweatpantsNinja, killa seven
FaerieLord (4): Surye, somestrangeflea, Rogue Shenanigans, mr. incrediball
Rogue Shenanigans (2): skitzer, farside22
TheSweatpantsNinja (1): iamausername
Alabaska J (1): populartajo
somestrangeflea (1): Dead Rikimaru

No lynch (2): malthusis, Riceballtail

Not voting (7): andersonw, Pepsidude, Cream147, FaerieLord, Celebloki, DragonsofSummer, sideney

With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch. At deadline, it takes 7 real votes to lynch.

[Riceballtail]

No, Gimbo. We've already decided that we're going to end up doing some kind of mass-vig/cop tonight. At least one person should do something of town-use tonight, and I hope that it will provide more info. Sorry if it seems too weird, but I do think it would be of more use this way for now.

[Riceballtail]

Mm, these thoughts are now going to be processed.

UNVOTE

[Riceballtail]

I am beginning to agree with the wagon against Phoebus.

For those who aren't aware, I was reaction fishing with my NL vote.

VOTE: Phoebus

[Riceballtail]

Traps only trap lazy people, not scum or town in specific.

True, but laziness can help catch scum if you do it right.

And don't worry gob, I want to ignore you too. -_-

[Riceballtail]

LOL wait. Riceballtail is so much more scummy than Rogue Shenanigans...

NL just for reactions? Please.

Unvote, Vote Riceballtail

Is exactly the scummy reaction I was looking for.

[Riceballtail]

No, I wouldn't be surprised with a town-anger response. I kinda expected it anyway. I'm just trying something out. With the large number of players, I figured I could at least get enough of a reaction before it could escalate into my lynch.

[Riceballtail]

Reactionary play where you do something legitimately scummy is dumb. Just saying, it just makes people validly want to lynch you, and your "trap" of them isn't worth anything.

Yeah, I'm thinking it really didn't work well. But, I learned anyway, so it'll help next game if nothing else.

[Riceballtail]

LOL wait. Riceballtail is so much more scummy than Rogue Shenanigans...

NL just for reactions? Please.

Unvote, Vote Riceballtail

Is exactly the scummy reaction I was looking for.

Why do you think this is more likely a scum reaction than town?

Because I find that his use of words, in particular, are what makes it scummy. They sound pro-town upon looking, but if you run them through your head as though someone were saying it, they sound very anti-town whichever way you run it.

[Riceballtail]

UNVOTE; VOTE: RS

Curious to see if my vote matters or not in the end, but I'll appease Alabaska's request.

[Riceballtail]

I can dig RS's claim. It definitely sounds like it would fit. I don't know about the balance idea, but I can dig it for now.

UNVOTE; VOTE:RBT

That guy's just vote hopping anyway.

[Riceballtail]

Claim time I guess...

Yoshi - I get no items, no coins, and no vote (ever, and no you can't give them to me, they become forfeit when anything is in my possession). At night I can attempt to eat a scum. If I hit a scum, they don't get a vote the next day. I am town.

[Riceballtail]

More believable than a "Super Banana".

And confirmable at 1/10th the cost.

[Riceballtail]

So, anyway...

UNVOTE; VOTE:CREAM

Can at least put pressure on with it.

[Riceballtail]

Ummm, no. Confirmable at 6/10ths. I doubt we will be able to confirm whether a recieved coin is still in your possession.

I can attempt to give it straight back.

[Riceballtail]

How the heck do you think Yoshi is anti-town? You could be delicious tonight SSF.

[Riceballtail]

After I get the mushroom:

GIVE GOBORAGE 1 POISONOUS MUSHROOM

If it still exists long enough to give it back...

[Riceballtail]

Also, "Strawmanning" involves taking a small piece of the case someone has built up that is weaker than their other points and blowing it up. They can then defeat the weaker point and use that as 'proof' that everything that person has said is wrong.

This is what I was thought it was too.

@gob: I suspect that a scum player has some ability where they eat that mushroom and gain an ability. Anyway, it's currently not a risk if it doesn't exist. (I'm thinking a Wario role... he seems to like rotten things.)

[Riceballtail]

I thought about it too SSF, but that'd be a bit unfair unless there's a good number of different scumgroups

I think Gimbo should say the entirety of the item, now that he used it

I endorse this product/service.

[Riceballtail]

VOTE:Gimbo

Until you reveal, you get my (albeit, useless) vote.

[Riceballtail]

SSF: I think Gimbo would be better to pressure. I see where you're going, but I doubt it will help as much. I also wish to state that I have no real proof that Gimbo is a confirmed townie yet either, he just has a pro-town item.

[Riceballtail]

Tajo is now a timebomb, and when we lynch him Peach gets kidnapped because you're Bowser?

[Riceballtail]

We now have two confirmed town. Awesome. Tajo and TSN. I still don't think Gimbo is 100% confirmed just because of the item. I'm not saying he is therefore lynchworthy, but that he has no way to prove his role just because of a mushroom he held in his possession. This armlx/ssf debate needs to stop now.

And now for something constructive:

@Gob: You had a poison mushroom, it makes me be somewhat suspicious, but I understand your confusion about how to use it. I'm fairly sure you're town, for what it matters.

[Riceballtail]

A feather is a confirmation, a claim with an item is not. Just because of my claim people still don't think I'm town. So you tell me hm?

[Riceballtail]

but who ever said Gremwell is telling the truth? am i missing something?

as far as i know, in this game, 2 ppl are confirmed town, me and pop, thats it.

FALSE!

You are NOT confirmed town.

And then you accuse Grem of lying? I have half the notion to lynch you for saying this garbage. If you are going to say you're confirmed town, then you should be saying TSN is too, since there's at least as much evidence his direction than yours. You are defeating your own defense.

[Riceballtail]

Then, by that merit, I'm confirmed too right?

[Riceballtail]

Farside: if that were true, then how did Gimbo survive last night? Anyone who wanted that would have probably killed him for it.

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
somestrangeflea (2): Gimbo, armlx
Cream147 (2): Alabaska J, populartajo
Riceballtail (1): skitzer
Gimbo (1): Riceballtail
Surye (1): somestrangeflea
armlx (1): TheSweatpantsNinja

Not voting (15): iamausername, Phoebus, sideney, Surye, killa seven, Gremwell, mr. incrediball, farside22, andersonw, malthusis, FaerieLord, Cream147, Korts, ashmite84, goborage

With 23 alive it takes 12 real votes to lynch.

[Riceballtail]

I also endorse the tajo gets a star plan. However, I also cannot contribute. :\

[Riceballtail]

As you wish.

GIVE ONE(1) COIN TO POPULARTAJO

This doesn't actually add anything, but proves I have nothing as well.

[Riceballtail]

hey, pop, where are you?

He seems to actually leave his house once in a while. Funny isn't it? He last posted 36 hours ago, that's not something to really question. Especially considering this was a major holiday weekend for the US.

[Riceballtail]

I will donate or coin-claim if that is the plan the majority wish to follow. Maybe we could vote?

Vote for Gimbo if you think this is a good plan. Once he gets lynched, we know it's a good one.

[Riceballtail]

Other roles I suspect:

DK Crew is only missing one possibility at this point, which is Kiddie (DKC3) who is probably even less likely than Dixie. Upon knowing DK was a real role, I knew Diddy had to exist. I just couldn't figure out who the others were, if any. But there is definitely a Diddy somewhere out there. I think they have the objective to either lynch someone (K. Rool role maybe?) or somehow get in the way of Bowser, but don't win with the town.

My PM confirms the existence of both Mario and Luigi, but only those two roles. I suspect that they know who each other are.

I think the scum list posted above has good thought behind it. I also would expect to see Baby Bowser/Bowser Jr. included in that. It is also possible to see Kamek or Dry Bones.

[Riceballtail]

On yourself Gimbo-scum.

[Riceballtail]

I don't necessairly think of DK Crew as 100% scum group. They obviously have a not-standard-town win condition, but I won't say that they must have some way in which they cannot win alongside the town for a different reason. My win condition doesn't particularly confirm or deny my suspicion, but I can't truly say if their group is pro or anti-town. I also agree that they likely do not have a kill.

[Riceballtail]

Yoshi - I get no items, no coins, and no vote (ever, and no you can't give them to me, they become forfeit when anything is in my possession). At night I can attempt to eat a scum. If I hit a scum, they don't get a vote the next day. I am town.

As much as I find the "You're not really Yoshi, you're a Bob-omb" argument from skitzer to be reaching, I would like to know the flavor behind your "abilities".

The idea is that I am nothing without Mario/Luigi, and therefore my vote has no meaning. My night choice is called "Swallow", which is very fitting based on that's what Yoshi has done in almost every game appearance.

[Riceballtail]

We should test Riceball's no vote thing, but I can't think of a way to do that w/o potentially outing other double voters.

Assuming we get a person to a visible L-1, it still can't confirm that aspect of my vote. No matter what happens, my vote will never add to a real vote count.

[Riceballtail]

I'm in favor of the Cream wagon. However, as previously stated, I will abstain until he is at L-1 to "drop a hammer".

[Riceballtail]

That's L-2. Claiming would be in your best interest. Before I hammer.

[Riceballtail]

No, Gobo, there is no additional flavor to my role.

If you guys are ready, I can drop my vote now.

[Riceballtail]

UNVOTE; VOTE:Alabaska J

Have at thee scum!

[Riceballtail]

I ate Gimbo. He was tasty. He would have been notified if his vote counted for naught today. The way he has been acting, I'm fairly convinced he's the most anti-town townie in the game. I can't confirm it until he's on a lynch-wagon, however.

[Riceballtail]

This wagon seems likely to go places.

UNVOTE; VOTE:iamausername

[Riceballtail]

Why did I eat Gimbo? Because I still found him scummy, even if he did have that mushroom. Assuming he is on the lynch-wagon today, I will have managed to personally confirm without item that Gimbo is a townie. Alabaska is beginning to become a substantially superior lynch to iam right now. I would be more than happy to see either strung up, but Alabaska is definitely being scummy beyond belief.

UNVOTE; VOTE Alabaska J

Had it right the first time.

[Riceballtail]

Gimbo was already essentially confirmed townie, we weren't going to lynch him definitely, and he has two votes!!!!!

And before you say anything, yes I know you couldn't have known he would have two votes today but still that choice was very anti-town. Why would you take away a vote from a confirmed townie unless you are scum?

Because, if you actually read my claim, you would see that it only takes away votes from the swallowed victim IF THEY ARE SCUM. Your admission of things said is really asking for a lynch IMO.

[Riceballtail]

I'm not a vanilla townie, and I understand what Farside is getting at. Therefore, I don't think any more discussion is really necessary about what she has stated.

[Riceballtail]

If Alabaska is scum, it wouldn't make sense for him to push for a lynch of a known non-Peach player (RBT), most likely scums will be pushing for the lynch of players whose roles hadn't be revealed yet to get a claim from said player.

It makes perfect sense, it's called "role-fishing". I see no reason why he would be doing it otherwise.

[Riceballtail]

I believe he didn't have a coin and someone suggested to give a coin to prove he didn't have one.

This is correct for both iam and myself.

[Riceballtail]

The idea of tasty was my own creation. I used it before on D1 in reference to SSF.

My power can be used as a semi-confirm for townies, but I recognize it isn't foolproof. It is, in no way, an investigative role. I just came up with a good idea to test it that way.

Reasons people should vote for Alabaska: he's being awfully defensive and trying to get people to lynch me; yet there has yet to be a counterclaim, or proof that my claim is false. Basically, since I found him suspicious, now he has to OMGUS me to death. So, let us carry on and lynch this scum.

[Riceballtail]

Again, why is ashmite's scumness being ignored?

Alabaska is too scummy to let go of. He needs to be lynched today, and we can get Ashmite tomorrow.

[Riceballtail]

Alabaska, you really like that shovel don't you? Gonna plant another Piranha seed in that hole you're digging?

[Riceballtail]

I don't get it. But I agree with the words in bold and that Riceball is just being antagonistic.

This is probably pent up aggression seeking an out. My family life is the suck right now, and I'm working on fixing it. I didn't intend to come off as being a jerk about it if anyone has gotten it. I do apologize if it offended anyone.

This doesn't change my view about Alabaska, but I do feel bad if it seems like it's been too emotional.

[Riceballtail]

Hello All!

Doing a speed read, and should post late this evening

Speed read + this game = no

GL though! Also welcome.

[Riceballtail]

Yes. Claims have also come from myself, cream, and Rogue who has been lynched.

[Riceballtail]

yea I know WIFOM....but that's a reach, isn't it?

No. I also think Grem is town, but it never hurts to make a confirmation.

Also, we really need to lynch before deadline this time, and see about some votes.

[Riceballtail]

Visible L-1.

Claim, you should do it.

[Riceballtail]

He hasn't posted since the 17th, if that affects anything.

[Riceballtail]

UNVOTE; VOTE: Mr.I

Getting the actual votes this time would be better than deadline.

[Riceballtail]

Riceball, you hammered incrediball, even though you supposedly don't have a vote. Explain.

I think whoever killed armlx should step forward and accept their glory. I also think we might want to massclaim today. We're in serious trouble here.

The idea is that I am nothing without Mario/Luigi, and therefore my vote has no meaning.

This means I voted with one of the brothers yesterday.

I ate farside last night.

@Tajo: Good kill, but that doesn't really help us confirm those two.

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Not voting (21): iamausername, skitzer, Wintermute, forbiddanlight, somestrangeflea, Surye, killa seven, Gremwell, TheSweatpantsNinja, Alabaska J, farside22, ting =), DarlaBlueEyes, FaerieLord, Lord Gurgi, Cream147, Korts, Riceballtail, ashmite84, goborage, populartajo

[Riceballtail]

So your vote counts when you vote the same as Mario/Luigi you're saying? Your role is being coming less and less believable.

No, my vote still counts for zero. I just double what their vote's value is. Clearly, this is what made the lynch happen. Whoever was voting, was a doublevoter as well.

[Riceballtail]

Sorry to disappoint you Surye, would you have rather I said "I could be a triple voter, and can't protect myself" D1? That would have let me last a long time.

[Riceballtail]

RBT: Why did you choose to eat me?

I had a suspicion of your immediate jump off the cream wagon. Wanted to pursue it a bit.

[Riceballtail]

RBT: Why did you choose to eat me?

I had a suspicion of your immediate jump off the cream wagon. Wanted to pursue it a bit.

Ummm there were some people who got why I jumped off it or did you miss that little conversation.

No, I was there, I got the idea fully. I just had a suspicion. I think it was a red herring though.

[Riceballtail]

For the record, already claimed.

[Riceballtail]

Isn't it we have to hit Bowser though? I mean, only Bowser can do the kidnapping, correct?

Did you not read the opening post of the day?

[Riceballtail]

One of Bowser's minions bashes into the throne room of Bowser's Castle. "Sir Bowser, sir Bowser!" he screams. "I take it you have good news for me?" says Bowser. "We have kidnapped the Princess, sir, as you requested!"

I get that one of his minions is the one who has the princess in question from the info listed here.

[Riceballtail]

http://www.mariowiki.com/Toadsworth

Factually, this is a very correct claim. I can see it being true as well.

[Riceballtail]

Tonight's play by Alabaska should be to protect K7.

[Riceballtail]

Can someone explain why he'd be modkilled? I don't get it.

[Riceballtail]

And I believe Ashmites claim. DBE is scum BTW.

Vote : DarlaBE

I'm having a hard time seeing this case as well. Explanation?

For now, I'm been thinking about it, and I can't understand why a pro-town would have a poisoned mushroom...

VOTE:Goborage

[Riceballtail]

Wario is dead, but I was suspicious of Waluigi being in the game as well.

The mushroom does not exist anymore, as I cannot hold onto items. So it cannot be given to anyone else.

[Riceballtail]

Do you ever read what I post? Or do you just think "he voted me, therefore I must OMGUS."? I asked myself why a protown player would have a poison mushroom, and couldn't come up with a good reason. So now, you get to be my lynch target.

[Riceballtail]

You should vote Pengy. He didn't help you at all!

[Riceballtail]

1) Yes.
2) I shouldn't get a feather because I can't hold one.

[Riceballtail]

Division by zero occurs, the universe implodes.

[Riceballtail]

Don't give me a feather. Do you not listen?

[Riceballtail]

Theres no way a town role can receive coins.

Where do you get this notion from? I know I will never be able to get coins, but I would easily believe that ANY role besides myself would be able to generate coins too. Otherwise, I see no reason to be skeptical of how people are somehow able to constantly give coins from day to day. Especially when these people were out of coins the previous one.

[Riceballtail]

Really

don't know why this game is dying.

People don't know what to do about the K7/FL situation, and don't want to post to be wrong. Therefore, they are lurking today to see if it was or wasn't a good option to believe it, and then can chime in tomorrow to say that they were right in their suspicions, without having any proof given in thread.

[Riceballtail]

Unvote, Vote:Korts

Yeah, I think it's our best target for today now.

[Riceballtail]

Yes, K7 should get a star tonight.

While I believe FL's claim and such, don't make yourself 100% that this isn't the last day either. That's foolish, as the win condition for town is sketchy at best.

[Riceballtail]

Wow, within one minute of 48 hours. Nice work!

Also, I like the death rate of scum.

[Riceballtail]

Forbiddin light is town.

Good to know.

[Riceballtail]

Does your condition for being a double-voter say anything about me? My vote would be doubling yours to a four count if that were the case.

[Riceballtail]

Day two's real votes:

mr. incrediball (13): iamausername (0), Gremwell(?), populartajo(0? 1?), Alabaska J(?), forbiddanlight(1-2), Thesweatpantsninja(1), farside22(?), DarlaBlueEyes(?), somestrangeflea(?), Riceballtail(*)

[Riceballtail]

Well, I know that I made the count go from under 12 to 13, so we know that my vote had to make at least two more to the count.

[Riceballtail]

But, if I know who Mario is, and we know who Luigi is, we can probably stack the vote count really high. I'm sure Mario/Luigi have some kind of synergy with their votes as well.

[Riceballtail]

Oh, to add in to today's count, I ate ting last night.

[Riceballtail]

Vote: Ting

You like the lack of vote I gave you last night?

[Riceballtail]

I don't actually know if his vote has been taken away or not, he's the one who got the PM about it. That's the thing that is wrong with that plan.

[Riceballtail]

Day two's real votes:

mr. incrediball (13): iamausername (0), Gremwell(1+), populartajo(0), Alabaska J(1?), forbiddanlight(1+), Thesweatpantsninja(1), farside22(1?), DarlaBlueEyes(1?), somestrangeflea(1?), Riceballtail(*)

Anyone else have more to add to this list?

[Riceballtail]

I don't actually know if his vote has been taken away or not, he's the one who got the PM about it. That's the thing that is wrong with that plan.

What PM?

The PM ting got to say that his vote counts for zero today. I don't know if he did or not.

[Riceballtail]

Why would he get a PM?

He would be notified of his lack of real vote, according to my description of the event.

[Riceballtail]

I don't actually know if his vote has been taken away or not, he's the one who got the PM about it. That's the thing that is wrong with that plan.

So why did you vote him then? Can't we just make him vote someone like he said, and be 100% about it either way?

I voted him, so that he would actually post some, as I had suspicions of him previously and wanted more posting.

[Riceballtail]

I have * votes. Where * is equal to zero, but multiplies the value of Mario or Luigi by two.

[Riceballtail]

I have * votes. Where * is equal to zero, but

multiplies the value of Mario or Luigi by two.

doubles Gurgi's vote

Stop misleading people about my role kthx.

[Riceballtail]

I have * votes. Where * is equal to zero, but

multiplies the value of Mario or Luigi by two.

doubles Gurgi's vote

Stop misleading people about my role kthx.

I was talking about me.
@Cream, Farside
With what Nat just said, we already know Nat isnt a Toad, right?

Ah, very well then.

[Riceballtail]

Hey Rice do you have coins?

Never have, and never will.

[Riceballtail]

I will leave my vote away from everyone else's to confirm the "my vote is zero" part today. Now will someone hammer Alascum already?

[Riceballtail]

I was suspicious of Alabaska's claim because I didn't think there were two doctor roles. Otherwise, I agreed that he was scum. However, knowing I was a very vulnerable role (I had no ability to protect myself, and never got attacked. Seriously?) I didn't mention the protection factor of my role, as I knew that would most likely get me lynched for being too powerful, or NK'd for being rough to the scum. Ironically, I basically felt like a doublevoter with no actual vote.

[Riceballtail]

Shiny Cap'n!

New best friend. Seriously.

[Riceballtail]

I'll /prein as well. Definitely a good one.