Mushroom Kingdom Mafia (Game over!)

[iamausername]

/confirm!

[iamausername]

Alphabetical

Vote: Alabaska J

, and also for holding up the game from starting.

[iamausername]

Dude, you're right! L-10! It's too risky!

[iamausername]

I'd like to point out also that one coin won't buy anybody a fireflower. So planning to go after armlx tomorrow if Gimbo doesn't wake up dead, when he might not even have the capability to make this happen, looks pretty off to me.

Unvote, Vote: TheSweatpantsNinja

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Unless you are jester (is there even one in this game?)

I'm gonna go with "yes, and it's you" after this question.

[iamausername]

P.S. something constructive, since TSN has a coin, can't amrlx also have coins (1, maybe 2 or more?) and with them combined, can't they potentially off me N1?

It's quite possible, yes, but not certain, which is why I have an issue with TSN's plan of going after armlx tomorrow if it doesn't happen.

I'm assuming that armlx has as many coins to start with as I do.

Why?

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I think we need to be very careful about how much we reveal about the number of coins we all have, because the scum are probably going to be looking to take out the townies with the most coins.

[iamausername]

Fireflower (

3 coins for protown players

, 5 coins for others): grants you one nightkill.

I think it's suspicious that Gimbo believes fireflowers cost 5 coins, because I think scum players would be more likely to forget they have a different cost for pro-town than pro-town players simply getting the price wrong.

B) Secondly, your claimed ability...wouldn't necessarily confirm anyone. Most games with Necromancers don't reveal alignment - that would really defeat the purpose. Imagine a dead cop revived with a doc protecting him for as long as he would be alive.

I'd imagine that the fact that we don't appear to have any way to protect other players probably goes against this point.
But Gimbo being able to revive another player doesn't comfirm

him

as pro-town, certainly.

2) Could Magikoopa (for I assume it's someone like him) do revivals? Was he ever completely pro town?

Since Gimbo's claimed his role mechanics, there's no harm in getting him to also claim his role name, as far as I can see, and it would help us in figuring out the likelihood that he's on our side.

[iamausername]

iam, he was probably assuming him only scum would want to kill him at this point.

OK, but he was citing that as the price in Post #180, before he'd made his roleclaim.

[iamausername]

@populartajo: Look in bold at lawrencelot story.

Right, still two to go, but I'll start Day 1 anyway. If Xtoxm and Alabaska J don't post soon, I'll give them a prod.

Peach wanders through the town. "

That's funny, everyone looks like a Toad, even myself. I wonder how many of them really are Toads.

." .

IE everyone looks like a Toad, but not everyone is a toad.

Not everyone who isn't a toad is scum. Every role is dressed as a toad.

Call this wild speculation... but I would expect to see mario in this game, and I seriously doubt he would be anti-town.

And we know for sure that Princess Peach is in the game, and she is pretty much guaranteed to be pro-town.

[iamausername]

And we know for sure that Princess Peach is in the game, and she is pretty much guaranteed to be pro-town.

We do?
Sure she's not a mechanic?

I suppose that is a possibility, but the impression I get from the following rules is that she is:

13) Mass-claiming is allowed, but not recommended for the town in this game.
25) Bowser may try to kidnap princess Peach during the night. The town has to prevent that. When Peach is kidnapped at night, the kidnapper has to be lynched the next day or else the town will lose.
26) Princess Peach cannot get killed, only kidnapped. As you may have noticed from rule 25), Peach plays an important role in this game, so if you’re town make sure you prevent her from getting kidnapped.

Rule 13 is included because I figure that outing Peach would be a pretty significant negative consequence of a massclaim.

[iamausername]

What is the disadvantage to Surye's plan in your eyes, farside? Regardless of whether or not Surye is scum, the end result is that we will be in exactly the same situation as we are now, except that we will have verified that Gimbo does have the item he says he has.
What, does the mushroom somehow become tainted if scumSurye touches it? Or do you think that knowing Gimbo is not lying will somehow benefit scum more than town?

[iamausername]

woot, simulpost!

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
Cream147 (3): armlx, Phoebus, Alabaska J
TheSweatpantsNinja (2): sideney, iamausername
populartajo (2): Rogue Shenanigans, farside22
Xtoxm (2): DragonsofSummer, alvinz95
Alabaska J (1): populartajo
Surye (1): Celebloki
Mr. Incrediball (1): Riceballtail
somestrangeflea (1): Dead Rikimaru
farside22 (1): TheSweatpantsNinja
Surye (1): Gimbo
armlx (1): killa seven
Gimbo (1): somestrangeflea

Not voting (7): Xtoxm, Surye, mr. incrediball, MafiaSSK, Pepsidude, Cream147, FaerieLord

With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch.

[iamausername]

1) Now that Gimbo has claimed, there is no real way that we can ensure that saftey of Gimbo if he is tellling the truth. We are just going to have to rely on protecting roles(which in an item based game- there is no real guarantee of one).

2) This means that Gimbo can't wait for a decent power role thats worth reviving, which is the only dangerous prospect for scum.

Yeah, I think we need to stop thinking in terms of "power roles" altogether in this game, because the item mechanics seem to strongly suggest that we don't really have them, or at least a lot fewer and/or weaker than you'd normally expect in a game of this size.

[iamausername]

Well, now that Surye's touched his mushroom (lol), we can be sure that he's not making this up as he goes along.

[iamausername]

I'd like to remind everyone that my SweatpantsNinja vote has nothing to do with his coin-pooling plans (although I disagree that that is the optimum strategy) and everything to do with this conversation:

So, gimbo, pro-town, bowser, nk-immune miller vig, whatever, needs to be removed.

Give one coin to armlx.

I trust that you will do what needs to be done.

How you know that you can trust armlx? Very scummy TSN.

Unvote Cream147

Vote TheSweatpantsNinja

You again. I don't. But if he doesn't use it on gimbo, which is what I want to happen, then I'll go after him tomorrow.

However, TSN brings up a good point about farside's misrepresentation, and a background check on her alerts me to this:

Someone talked about not saying how many coins we have so we will go low on this okay. 24 people each with 1 coin equals 24 coins total.
Feather (5 coins for protown players, 3 coins for others): you can see which side someone belongs to: town or not.
This is what we are talking about for investigating. That would actually be 4 players who everyone would have to agree on they trust to investigate.
With those 4 players the town agrees they trust we then choose 4 players who they should investigate. That is out of 20 players mind you.

The odds are 1 out of 5 chance of hitting scum

(if we choose town players). Plus unless there are doctors in this game one of those people will probably be killed. I'm just not liking are odds on that plan with so many people in the game.

It's hard to say, since the maths in this post don't appear to bear any particular resemblance to actual probability theory, but anyway, I've bolded the part where farside seems to be telling us how many scumbuddies she has.

So that's an

Unvote, Vote: farside

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[iamausername]

You are an idiot if you are reading the whole thing I'm talking about the chances of finding scum using TSN idea.

...which you can't tell unless you know how many scum there are.

If I'm wrong, please explain how you reached your '1 in 5' figure without knowing this.

[iamausername]

4 investigators 23 people left alive. 4 people looking into 4 other people. It is approx 1 out of 5 chance of finding scum with those odds.

This is not an explanation. I want to know how you reached the conclusion that the odds are 1 in 5.

[iamausername]

Where the (bleep) are you getting I know there are 5 scum from my post?

Oh, five, is it? I thought the 1 in 5 figure just applied to the 20 that might be investigated, so I thought it was four, thanks for clearing that up.

[iamausername]

4 players we deem town worthy 4-23 players = 19 people left to investigate.

Yes, I get this part.

4 divided by 19 is approx 1 out of 5 chances of finding scum.

What are you talking about? How does dividing the number of investigators by the number of targets tell you the chances of finding scum?

[iamausername]

It's the odds of finding a scum.

It's really not. The chances of finding scum depend on the number of scum in that 19 person group. I don't think that's a particularly outlandish concept.

Anyway, this 1/5 you've conjured up just appears to be complete nonsense and not a scum slip, so I'm going to

Unvote

.

[iamausername]

I'm going to

Unvote

.

Oh yeah, and

Vote: TheSweatpantsNinja

again.

[iamausername]

Celeboki - stop the lurking please...

Celebloki is far from the only person who needs calling out on this.

[iamausername]

Oh, please don't get into pointless semantic arguments about the meaning of vague adjectives again, Cream.

[iamausername]

Umm, your just randomly voting Farside out of nowhere?

That was TSPN, and it's not out of nowhere, he was voting farside for a while then switched over to SSK momentarily for whatever silly meta reason.

Which is not to say that TSPN is not a good vote. That's just not a good reason for one.

[iamausername]

Cream, the town wants you dead. So no, it is not being opportunistic. It is following the town's lead. Which in this case is a null-tell

This is bull. Prior to killa seven's vote, 5 people out of 24 had indicated (by voting) that they want Cream dead. That is in no way the same thing as "the town" wanting him dead. Following "the town" (who could, in fact, be anywhere between 0 and 100% scum) on this without explanation is the very definition of opportunistic.

TSPN's equally opportunistic hop onto the Cream wagon is also noted.

[iamausername]

Simul-post! Countdown to me being accused of being Cream's scumbuddy in 5... 4...

[iamausername]

being too town sometimes is a good scum-tell.

what

[iamausername]

-MafiaSSK
-alvinz95

I believe these two have been replaced. Not that we've heard anything much from their replacements, either.

[iamausername]

OK, let's get the deadline wagons rolling. Creamwagon is terrible, FL wagon is much better. Not totally against the Roguewagon either, but it's not as good or as big as FL's.

Unvote, Vote: FaerieLord

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[iamausername]

The post says how a massclaim would suck for the town because it would expose Princess Peach. That's how I read it anyway. Reread it, seriously, I think you need to.

Yeah.

[iamausername]

What was the exact reasn for voting Faerie Lord?

A lynch is better than no lynch. The only players I could see being lynched today at the point I made my vote (barring some major incident) were Cream, FL or Rogue.

FL seems the best choice of those, I'm not seeing the case on Cream at all, whereas I think FL looks pretty scummy for acting like Cream's lynch was a foregone conclusion in this post. Also don't like Rogue's "bandwagoning to see reactions", seems like a good excuse for scum to get off a townie wagon that wasn't gaining enough weight. So I think he'd also be a better lynch than Cream.

FYI, I also think there's something to the latest movement against Phoebus.

[iamausername]

For those who aren't aware, I was reaction fishing with my NL vote.

What reactions did you expect to see from scum? From town?

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
Cream147 (6): armlx, Phoebus, Alabaska J, Gimbo, TheSweatpantsNinja, sideney
Phoebus (5): ashmite84, killa seven, Riceballtail, somestrangeflea, Rogue Shenanigans
FaerieLord (3): Surye, mr. incrediball, iamausername
Rogue Shenanigans (1): farside22
Alabaska J (1): populartajo
somestrangeflea (1): goborage
Riceballtail (1): skitzer

No lynch (1): malthusis

Not voting (5): andersonw, Cream147, FaerieLord, Celebloki, DragonsofSummer

With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch. Deadline: June 25th. At deadline, it takes 7 real votes to lynch.

[iamausername]

LOL wait. Riceballtail is so much more scummy than Rogue Shenanigans...

NL just for reactions? Please.

Unvote, Vote Riceballtail

Is exactly the scummy reaction I was looking for.

Why do you think this is more likely a scum reaction than town?

[iamausername]

cream's wagon is dead.

Is this even a valid reason to unvote?

It kind of is when we have a deadline in two days and we need to get someone to 7 votes to get a lynch.

Which is why I'm going to

Unvote, Vote: Rogue Shenanigans

too. FL wagon is deader than dead.

[iamausername]

Also, notice the fact how both riceball and rogue didn't post after you posted? How can they go off had they no chance to go off?

I'm pretty sure this has nothing whatsoever to do with Gimbo's point.

[iamausername]

1)where are you proposing you get these 10 coins from?

I think he is proposing that we give them to him.

I don't like the sound of "Hey guys, give me all your coins and I get a magical super awesome item, I promise." Also not seeing DK as all that likely to appear in this game.

My vote is staying.

[iamausername]

Sigh, another testable claim, though this one is cheaper if he is scum and more expensive if town.

Unvote, Vote Cream

I KNOW, LET'S WAGON AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN TO CLAIM BEFORE DEADLINE HITS, THEN LYNCH WHOEVER WE HAPPEN TO BE ON AT THE TIME.

This is a setup designed to make massclaim ineffective. This is D1 and we've had three fullclaims. This is thus a bad thing.

At this point, whether claims are "testable" or not doesn't matter. It's whether or not they're believable that's important. Also note that all of the claims so far could just as easily be anti-town.

To sum up:
Let's cut the wagon->claim->wagon->claim... crap and make sure we lynch someone.

This post contains truth, and I am quoting it.

[iamausername]

That is a SEVERLY underpowered role.

Well, yeah. It's

Yoshi

. His entire purpose is to be useless.

Do you honestly believe his claim is less plausible than Rogue's?

We can also confirm two of the other three aspects of his claim easily enough (if anyone feels like wasting a coin on such). And I think the existence of a scum role that can hold no coins/items and has no vote is far less plausible than pro-town Yoshi with same.

[iamausername]

We can also confirm two of the other three aspects of his claim easily enough (if anyone feels like wasting a coin on such). And I think the existence of a scum role that can hold no coins/items and has no vote is far less plausible than pro-town Yoshi with same.

It's a fairly plausible scum role if you take into account that, as a scum, the fact that Yoshi can only nullify scum votes is BS. Being able to nullify town votes is quite a useful scum ability.

OK, I can understand your position now, although I still think it's far more likely that Riceball is telling the truth than it is that Rogue is.

[iamausername]

If your vote was there, both would be on four at this point.

[iamausername]

Well, 19.

[iamausername]

But my argument still stands. Why should people who have had aspects of their role confirmed be seen as more likely to be town than those who have not?

Let's not forget that Rogue's claimed role has in no way been confirmed, and can't be without the town throwing away ten coins.

And seriously, a super banana? Which is so tasty that it makes you invincible forever? Has such a thing ever existed even in a Donkey Kong game, which would at best be tangentially related to the Mushroom Kingdom theme?

[iamausername]

Nope, 1AM here in ten minutes.

[iamausername]

By my count, Rogue is at 11 votes now. If we want to see the real votecount (and I can't imagine why we wouldn't), we need 13. We've got just under three hours.

Anyone who reads this, and isn't already on the wagon, VOTE ROGUE SHENANIGANS IMMEDIATELY. No one else is getting lynched today, and your vote could tip us over the edge into receiving some very useful information.

[iamausername]

Doesn't that mean you should be voting yourself?

[iamausername]

Should Gimbo revive populartajo?
Y/N

I was momentarily thinking 'maybe we should save it to use on a better town role', but then I remembered the part where we don't want to think in terms of 'power roles' in this game. So yes, yes he should.

[iamausername]

Pretty sure no one is actually

confirmed

town, technically.

popular, Gimbo, TSPN, Gremwell and Riceball [in that order] are all likely town, though, based on their claims/items/whatever.

Really need to do a reread to figure out who is likely scum.

[iamausername]

Oh yeah, forgot we had two people who know exactly what the 1-up mushroom does. I guess Gimbo and Surye could still both be scum and be hiding the fact that the mushroom flips alignment, but yeah, tajo is basically confirmed town.

[iamausername]

Well, multiple scumgroups mean a faked investigation might not be accurate, which could end up implicating him later on. And using up coins on investigations seems like a poor use of resources for scum.

I agree that it's possible Gremwell is scum (as I said, none of the players I listed are confirmed), I just don't think it's likely on the current evidence.

[iamausername]

Give one coin to populartajo

I'm guessing your broke but if we can pool you 5 you could feather me tonight confirming myself and TSN 100%

This is a good plan.

[iamausername]

I would like to have pop investigate as he is the only true known alignment, but I worry about the scum taking him out before we get an answer.

Well, if they do, that's one more night gone by that they don't get to kidnap Peach. Sounds good to me.

[iamausername]

How's he supposed to investigate you with a star again?

[iamausername]

Oh, right, stars are even more useful than I remembered. Go for it then.

[iamausername]

I have no coins to give.

This is my situation also, in case anyone was wondering why I'm backing this plan without putting my money where my mouth is.

[iamausername]

Give 1 coin to populartajo

Transaction succesful. Gimbo loses 1 coin and populartajo gains 1 coin.

I'm assuming this is meant to say FaerieLord, but just thought I'd check that he doesn't have some crazy ability to give away other people's coins.

Mod: thanks, fixed

[iamausername]

Yeah, makes sense.

Give one coin to populartajo

.

[iamausername]

Considering there was only one kill last night (which I was pretty surprised by with the way this game works), it would take them a damn long time to work through the entire town.

[iamausername]

To actually answer Alabaska's question, RBT claimed towards the end of Day 1; apparently he's Yoshi, and one of his amazing powers is that his vote doesn't really count.

[iamausername]

Sigh, while I hate to do this, NL < lynching possible scum but confirmable if town.

Unvote, Vote RS

to ensure we get to 7 real votes.

Unless you know something we don't, we don't know how many real votes he has.

That is 5 actual votes by my count: Alabaska, Ashmite, Gobor, Mr. I, myself, plus PT's non-vote.

This is the second time armlx made a HUGE assumption on what the actual vote count is. I do not like this one bit. No sir.

HoS: armlx

The first one still isn't making any such assumption. Second one is, but I doubt scum know exactly how many votes everyone has, so I can't see how it's anything noteworthy anyway.

I think ashmite might have a point about the Cream/Rogue interaction, but I'm pretty sure there's some opportunistic Bowser-aligned scum among the sudden pile-on here whether or not Cream is part of the DK crew.

Been thinking about Riceball's role; I think he should tell us who he swallowed last night. Then, if we manage to actually get a full lynch before deadline today, we'll have either a confirmed town or almost-confirmed scum, based on whether or not that person appears in the real votecount.

[iamausername]

I don't like the case on Cream, and I don't feel comfortable putting my vote on him.

However, the Cream wagon is making a lot of sense. I liked it yesterday, I like it more today.

Vote: Surye

Note: mr. incrediball and goborage were also against the Cream wagon yesterday, but did not explicitly say otherwise in their latest votes.

[iamausername]

Oh, OK, so you're consistent in liking the Cream

wagon

, but you don't like the case on him? Yes, that looks better for you.

[iamausername]

Oh wait. That won't help.

18)

If the day ends because of a deadline

, the real votecount is not showed, whether a lynch happens or not. At deadline, the amount of real votes needed for a lynch is half the amount of real votes normally needed for a lynch (rounded up), but only the visible votes are shown. When several people have more than half of the real votes at deadline, the one with the most real votes is lynched. In case of a tie, I will look at who had the most real votes before the amount of real votes were tied.

It will help if we can get our act together and get a lynch before deadline.

[iamausername]

FaerieLord hasn't posted in a week and could also do with prodding.

[iamausername]

Geez, what's your problem with me? Looks like you're just looking for an easy vote to avoid Cream.

Well, my problem is that you said you liked the Cream wagon yesterday, and you like it more today, but when I looked through your posts from yesterday, I found one which said "I don't like the case on Cream", which seemed like a pretty clear contradiction.

Having now taken the time to read the context, my vote stands, and the other quote you brought up only strengthens the case. Pushing a wagon that you aren't willing to commit to is trying to have it both ways and is scummy as hell.

I think it's entirely possible that the Cream/Rogue connection is significant, and that he is part of the DK crew, but I think we should ideally be trying to lynch Bowser scum today, since they're certainly in a stronger position, having not lost their leader. I'm pretty sure that some of them have hopped onto the Cream wagon here. Surye seems like the best candidate, for the reasons stated above. Paticularly suspicious votes also from goborage, mr. incrediball and farside.

[iamausername]

And Riceball, I still think you need to tell us who you ate last night.

[iamausername]

farside, Gimbo, Surye, why are you unvoting Cream for claiming this game's version of a vanilla townie? How does that in any way convince you that the evidence against him is wrong?

[iamausername]

farside, Gimbo, Surye, why are you unvoting Cream for claiming this game's version of a vanilla townie? How does that in any way convince you that the evidence against him is wrong?

I call this role fishing.

vote: iamausername

What.

[iamausername]

farside, Gimbo, Surye, why are you unvoting Cream for claiming this game's version of a vanilla townie? How does that in any way convince you that the evidence against him is wrong?

No, he has a protection item, that's not this game's version of vanilla.

A protection item that ANYONE, INCLUDING SCUM, CAN BUY FOR THREE COINS.

[iamausername]

Right. You got me. I'm not a Toad. Now, farside, has it occurred to you maybe that wagoning anyone who is not a Toad, for no other reason than that they are not a Toad, might be a

really

bad idea?

Nobody besides tajo, who is already known to be a Toad, should comment on the matter any further, since all this is doing is outing various people as Toads/not Toads.

Anyone else find it scummy he ate Gimbo, a confirmed (essentially) townie who had tow votes?

Yes.

Unvote, Vote: Riceballtail

.

I could probably say the word Toad a few more times in this post. Toad.

[iamausername]

Korts, Gremwell cleared TSPN with a feather last night. Gremwell's not cleared yet, but he will be tomorrow, so TSPN is not getting lynched today.

[iamausername]

I don't have any particular reason to believe that Gremwell is scum, while I do have a good reason to believe that he's town, since scum coming out with a fake feather claim would be incredibly dumb, since it's so easily testable.

[iamausername]

If Alabaska is scum, it wouldn't make sense for him to push for a lynch of a known non-Peach player (RBT), most likely scums will be pushing for the lynch of players whose roles hadn't be revealed yet to get a claim from said player.

It makes perfect sense, it's called "role-fishing". I see no reason why he would be doing it otherwise.

How on earth is it rolefishing when you've already claimed your role??

[iamausername]

How did this game die all of a sudden?

It's strange, because I really think the last ten pages have far more useful information to go on than the other 50 combined.

Now, getting back to what I was saying before Cream claimed and everything went a bit crazy, I'm pretty sure there was scum on his wagon. ashmite pointed out a fairly reasonable connection case between Rogue and Cream, and suddenly a whole bunch of people appear out of the woodwork to say "good point, ashmite! vote cream!"
Cream is now apparently confirmed town, so frankly, if you don't think there's any scum amongst {ashmite, goborage, incrediball, armlx, Surye, killa seven}, I'm revoking your scumhunting license.

I went after Surye earlier, but he seemed to see the same thing in Cream's claim that farside did, so I think he's off the hook.

ashmite did the legwork in finding the evidence against Cream, rather than just piling onto a bandwagon, which is a point in his favour. But then he later piled onto

my

wagon at its peak, saying that he "just read the thread after all the other wagoners". If there's anyone pretending to get what farside was talking about earlier, I'd say ashmite is a prime candidate.

armlx hopping on the wagon with an "I agree" and not presenting a case of his own I find a little suspicious, because I think he's a better player than that, but he was consistently after Cream throughout D1, so I think he's OK.

killa seven I fully expect to hop onto wagons without explanation, and he was also on Cream's case D1.

mr. incrediball and goborage are I think the most suspicious of the Cream wagoners. At the time ashmite presented his case (Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:56 AM by my time) neither had made a post since Sat Jul 05. That's four days without a post. But as soon as a remotely viable wagon appears, they're there within six hours to add votes to it. That, to me, suggests that they were actively lurking, waiting for a good opportunity to get a wagon going on a townie.

---

Looking at mr. incrediball and goborage's posts in isolation, I'm finding incrediball the more suspicious of the two. His attitude towards Cream on D1 was extremely fence-sitting:

i'm still not seeing the case against cream. on the other hand, we need a lynch. i'm happy to consider voting him if someone can explain the case

Seems like trying to score townie points by being against the Cream wagon if he did end up being lynched, but still giving himself an excuse if he needs to get on it, if one of his buddies started to become a leading wagon, for example.

Then there's his reaction to our plan for tonight to have populartajo buy a star and clear Gremwell & TSPN. First he tries to get us to just use a feather, perhaps hoping to kill tajo tonight and leave Gremwell/TSPN's alignment up in the air. When it's explained (again) why we're not doing this, he starts questioning the sanity of feathers. Seems like he really doesn't want too many confirmed townies around.

And just lately:

ok, who do we lynch? is my vote on cream?

unvote

.

Asking "who do we lynch?" is pretty obviously scummy, and the "is my vote on cream?" just doesn't seem quite honest, somehow. It's like he's trying to distance himself from having made the vote.

Anyway, that all adds up to an

Unvote, Vote: mr. incrediball

.

[iamausername]

Iam: If you like I can explain what farside saw?

I think the best idea is to not discuss it any further until someone is at L-2 or so and has to claim. This way, if they're scum, they won't be able to claim Toad without being able to explain it, so they'd either have to make up a different fake claim, or take a guess at what farside saw. If they're really a Toad, they'll be able to explain it pretty easily, and so we'll confirm another townie.

Darla, am I on your scum list for any reason other than that I'm leading in the votecount? (Pretty sure I'm actually not, btw, mr. incrediball is the new wagon in town. And it's way cooler than the last one.)

[iamausername]

Also, we have a new Gimbo everyone:

where IS everyone??

Apparently so.

[iamausername]

Riceball, you hammered incrediball, even though you supposedly don't have a vote. Explain.

I think whoever killed armlx should step forward and accept their glory. I also think we might want to massclaim today. We're in serious trouble here.

[iamausername]

What? Where are you getting "armlx knew he was going to be nightkilled" from?

[iamausername]

I dont see enough massclaim.

Massclaims work better with a bit of organisation. Why don't you draw us up an order?

And I was the one who killed armlx.

Oh. Huh.

[iamausername]

If he's not telling the truth, then he's likely to be Bowser anyway...

Uh, what? Does no one think it's likely that FL is a member of Bowser's team trying to get himself lynched in Bowser's place and securing the win?

People should really stop voting FL (or anyone else, for that matter) right now.

[iamausername]

How do you propose we find a specific scum, other then working with the information at hand?

That's a nice strawman you've got there. Did I say anything about not working with the information at hand? I just think it's an inherently bad idea to run someone up to L-1 to test whether or not they're telling the truth when, if they're not, there's every chance that WE LOSE RIGHT THERE.

I think the best plan is to make sure we have all the information we possibly can when we have to find a needle in a haystack like this, which is why I proposed the massclaim. I think at the very least, we should wait for everyone to check in today before we go throwing votes around on a half-baked plan to confirm someone.

[iamausername]

FL is tellin the truth.
peach isnt captured stop claiming please.

Why are you so sure, k7?

@flea i know who peach is and its not fl.
so i assume fl is tellin the truth.

Do you not see any holes in this logic?

[iamausername]

last night i was notified that she wasnt kidnapped

Well, now it makes more sense.

[iamausername]

i will be notified

if shes kidnapped

and who did it.
last night i was notified that

she wasnt kidnapped

[iamausername]

Why is everyone giving coins to tajo and not killa seven?

[iamausername]

For now, I'm been thinking about it, and I can't understand why a pro-town would have a poisoned mushroom...

VOTE:Goborage

I'd forgotten about this, and I think you may be right. See also this post (it's an awesome post), and I'm sure you will understand my

Vote: goborage

right here.

[iamausername]

Here is where goborage explains his poisonous mushroom.

[iamausername]

I don't think that having the poisonous mushroom in itself makes goborage scum, but he's been highly scummy outside of that, and it does make more sense for scum to have that item than town.

[iamausername]

Give one coin to killa seven

. This actually will work, even though I didn't have any before, because I somehow received one last night.

[iamausername]

Give one coin to killa seven

. This won't work, because I only received one last night.

[iamausername]

Give one coin to killa seven

. This actually will work, even though I didn't have any before, because I somehow received one last night.

How did this happen?

I don't know, I wasn't told.

FoS: Iamusername.

Were you the one that kidnapped Daisy and got her coins?

No. Hopefully FL had more or less than one coin so he can verify this.

And Id suggest giving me all the coins so we can have a proper accounting of the coins.

Too late now!

Killa seven is definetely important for town and we need to save him. Hes not vital but may be helpful tomorrow.
However, without coins scum can't kill killa seven. Only bowser can do it (asuuming he has a permanent night action) and lets see if he really wants to waste another night killing him with so few players to choose for Peach.

Did you miss the part where killa seven finds out exactly who kidnapped Peach when someone does? Of course scum will 'waste' a night killing k7 before they try to kidnap Peach.

Im planing on giving feathers to Gremwell, TSPN and Rice, any comments?

Rice can't hold items. The other two are fine.

BTW...
Im still having problems believing Alabaska's claim. I feel theres something off in it. Why would there be a doctor if there are protective mushrooms? It seems a bit redundant.

Quite a lot of people started without a mushroom or enough money to get one, though. I think it makes sense.

[iamausername]

No. Hopefully FL had more or less than one coin so he can verify this.

I had more / less than 3 coins

Thanks. That's so helpful.

[iamausername]

Except if they're right to be suspicious of k7/FL, they probably won't get to do that tomorrow, because the game will be over.

I'm not so sure about the Korts 'slip', since I seem to remember populartajo making a similar comment first, and he's not scum.

[iamausername]

I am a Toad (Mushroom Kingdom). I am loyal to Princess Peach,

and try to keep her from getting kidnapped.

Mine just says

I'm trying to keep her from getting kidknapped.

Why didn't you buy the claim then?

QFT and

Unvote, Vote: farside

.

I kept telling myself that one of these days, I was going to get off my lazy arse and write up a proper explanation for why I think goborage is scum, but I don't have anything as good as this on him, so it's probably not getting done until after we lynch farside.

[iamausername]

Eh, saying "I lied" when you really mean "I made a mistake" is a perfectly normal thing to do. Possibly something of a colloquialism. I'm definitely buying Nat's explanation for his mistake a lot more than I'm buying farside's.

[iamausername]

basically saying oh it's okay x player made a mistake, but another person made a mistake and that is scummy. You sir make no sense.

unvote:
vote: Nat

lol hypocrisy

You're voting for Nat because he made a mistake. You also made a mistake, and according to you they're exactly the same situation. How do you justify this?

[iamausername]

The fact that there was a long time in between for you to forget that what you said today contradicts something you'd said previously is why I find your 'mistake' a lot more suspicious.

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Korts (5): Alabaska J, Gremwell, somestrangeflea, Riceballtail, Natirasha
goborage (1): populartajo
FaerieLord (1): Korts
ashmite84 (1): TheSweatpantsNinja
farside22 (1): iamausername
Natirasha (2): ting =), farside22

Not voting (10): skitzer, forbiddanlight, Surye, killa seven, DarlaBlueEyes, FaerieLord, Lord Gurgi, Cream147, goborage, ashmite84

With 21 alive it takes 11 real votes to lynch.

[iamausername]

Unvote, Vote: goborage

.

I still don't get why farside didn't believe ashmite's claim, at all, but looking back at her reaction to Cream's claim, yeah, she's not scum. Makes absolutely no sense if she's scum and Cream is town, and would an unbelievably ballsy play if they were both scum. Saw a big contradiction, thought we'd caught scum, got overexcited. Sorry folks.

I'm not so sure about this "throw all your items away or die" plan. Fireflowers, sure, but what can scum even do with feathers? And stars and muhrooms, I'd think we want to keep them around for our confirmed townies in case we run out of coins, although they should all definitely be given to trusted players.

Gonna do this anyway, since I have no items:

Give one star to skitzer

Give one feather to DarlaBlueEyes

Give one mushroom to ashmite

Give one fireflower to goborage

Give one SUPER BANANA to Rogue Shenanigans

Also, mod, could you prod those first four? No posts in over a week.

Korts's claim (Particularly the lollery of him repeating Rogue's "Wait, aren't you a bad guy?" "NOT IN MARIO PARTY!" from D1) makes me more willing to consider him as a potential lynch, though I'd still prefer goborage.

[iamausername]

Well, back on D1, Rogue Shenanigans claimed that he was Donkey Kong, and if we gave him 10 coins, he'd get a SUPER BANANA, a magical item that makes someone invincible forever.

I though it was funny how ridiculous that was then, and I still do now, so I thought I'd slip in a humourous reference.

---

Short answer: It's a joke.

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Korts (6): Alabaska J, Gremwell, somestrangeflea, Riceballtail, Natirasha, Surye
Natirasha (3): ting =), farside22, forbiddanlight
FaerieLord (1): Korts
ashmite84 (1): TheSweatpantsNinja
iamausername (1): populartajo
goborage (1): iamausername

Not voting (8): skitzer, killa seven, DarlaBlueEyes, FaerieLord, Lord Gurgi, Cream147, goborage, ashmite84

With 21 alive it takes 11 real votes to lynch.

[iamausername]

OK,

Unvote, Vote: Korts

. No one else is going to get lynched today, and his claim is hardly filling me with confidence.

[iamausername]

Oh yeah.

Give 1 feather to Riceballtail

Give 1 star to Riceballtail

Give 1 mushroom to Riceballtail

Give 1 fireflower to Riceballtail

[iamausername]

Here's the link to our quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/42/H/G5dc9NAnRCC.

This game seems like it was pretty stacked against us. The coin/item mechanics were an interesting idea, but I think as soon as you get a confirmed townie (which was inevitable with the 1-up shroom), any town would have reached the conclusion that it was best to give all coins to them, and at that point, scum don't really stand much chance.