Mushroom Kingdom Mafia (Game over!)

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/hi

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Go go go.

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Go go go.

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Too obvius?

Vote : Alabaska J.

He's scum.

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Vote farside

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Pre-empting my thinking she is scum actually every game I play with her.

There's actually a decent reason (for page 1) to believe Alabaska is town right now, btw.

Huh?

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It's not 100% assured, but usually mafia are allowed to talk during day start confirm phases (ie. every newbie game atm). I would think that Alabaska as scum would have at least noticed if his inbox started filling with messages from random people.

Mmm.

6) You may not discuss this game outside the topic, unless your role says you can, and if you can, you may only do so during the night.

And why would you believe him?

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6) You may not discuss this game outside the topic, unless your role says you can, and if you can, you may only do so during the night.

Ok, strike that, reverse it. There is in fact nothing that would suggest Alabaska is any alignment at this point.

But yet you said this:

There's actually a decent reason (for page 1) to believe Alabaska is town right now, btw.

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6) You may not discuss this game outside the topic, unless your role says you can, and if you can, you may only do so during the night.

Ok, strike that, reverse it. There is in fact nothing that would suggest Alabaska is any alignment at this point.

But yet you said this:

There's actually a decent reason (for page 1) to believe Alabaska is town right now, btw.

Yeah, I did not see said rule. I am used to instead mafia being able to talk during confirms on a day start.

Ok.

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You are correct in your thoughts Armix

All roles are out. Please confirm in thread. Players who can talk during the night are allowed to talk now until Day 1 starts.

Oh, so I was right. Strike my striking and reversing and reverse it.

LOL.
Ok, random stage GO.

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Gimbo is an alt.

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@

& @ @

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Its not a full claim yet.

Nameclaim.

QFT.
This game is too fast for my taste but anyways...
Quickly reread N1 told me that TSN had a plan. It seems interesting. I might need a more detailed reread to find out if its indeed worthy at this stage of the game. For now I agree that we should have an optimal social use for coins but that it truly depends in all's colaboration.
BTW, I expect at least one scum in this Arlmx-Gimbo-Farside-TSN-Cream chat. Im probaly forgeting someone.
Quickly reread N2 told me that our friend Gimbo had claimed. I dont see why scum would put themseleves in the hot seat too fast so Im believing his claim and we can test it tomorrow.

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Shit guys, okay regarding the 5 point thing, I didn't look carefully enough, I am sorry.

Oh shit here goes, I'm a Toad for Mushroom Kingdom, I am like all Toads except that I have the revival ability which I can use only once. Once I used it, I am back to regular townie, therefore, the claim was beneficial for me because it doesn't hurt in any way.

You guys should believe me, because the claim is true, if you will ever be able to counter my claim (impossible but lets just say hypothetically), then yea go ahead and lynch me.

BTW, I need 2 coins, otherwise this shit is pointless and I'll be dead by D2, I can only use my ability during the day publicly in the forum, which requries me to survive through N1 and then based on town decision (if both D1 and N1 kill are townie) pick one to revive.

Why would Toad have a revival ability?

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Shit guys, okay regarding the 5 point thing, I didn't look carefully enough, I am sorry.

Oh shit here goes, I'm a Toad for Mushroom Kingdom, I am like all Toads except that I have the revival ability which I can use only once. Once I used it, I am back to regular townie, therefore, the claim was beneficial for me because it doesn't hurt in any way.

You guys should believe me, because the claim is true, if you will ever be able to counter my claim (impossible but lets just say hypothetically), then yea go ahead and lynch me.

BTW, I need 2 coins, otherwise this shit is pointless and I'll be dead by D2, I can only use my ability during the day publicly in the forum, which requries me to survive through N1 and then based on town decision (if both D1 and N1 kill are townie) pick one to revive.

Why would Toad have a revival ability?

Someone is looking scummy. Everyone is Toad (or is someone that looks like toad, but not a toad). Someone doesn't have a toad role = scum.

unvote: Vote: populartajo

That's why I asked. Because Im a Toad and dont have any revival abilities.

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Everyone is Toad (or is someone that looks like toad, but not a toad). Someone doesn't have a toad role = scum.

Wait, where did you get this from?
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Im missing where is the description of the 1UP mushroom. Was it a secret item?

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I have an idea, first things first. I know how we can confirm Gimbo's claim (of having the item, not being pro-town).

We have him trade it to someone, and they trade it back. If he can do that, he proves he has the item and we can move from there. If the person on the other end refuses to give it back, we lynch him, and it would be worth a scum for the item.

Once we've done this, we'll have more information to work with.

This almost sounds like a lets see who else has items and who doesn't type thing.

FOS Surye

I'd be willing to do the exchange, I started with no items.

I agree with this.

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1 scum for 1 mushroom doesnt seem bad to me.
And if he isnt scum then well we can semiconfirm 2 townies, right?
What bothers me is why Surye doesnt have an item.

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1 scum for 1 mushroom doesnt seem bad to me.
And if he isnt scum then well we can semiconfirm 2 townies, right?
What bothers me is why Surye doesnt have an item.

I wouldn't say in semiconfirms Surye at all.

But we know if Gimbo is telling or not telling the truth.

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Gimbo, stop lurking. There have been like 2-3 hours withouth any of his posts. That guy is clearly lurking.

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I doubt the farside Gimbo thing will work because both are already holding an item. Not sure one handed tossing works.

Surye might be best person (or another item less person) for something like this...
At most...it will help scum confirm the existence of 1UP mushroom.
Gimbo's probably dead tomorrow anyway.

In another news: potential 36h away period.

If Gimbo isnt scum then mafia already know there is a 1UP mushroom.
I still agree that we should test Gimbo's words. This doesnt confirm at all Surye's behavior (thx Farside) but we dont lose anything trying.

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We need that interchange. Nuff said.

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im going to laugh when surye robs you.

LOL, but even if Surye is scum he knows he has to give back the mushroom.

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TheSweatpantsNinja is town BTW. I dont understand the reasoning in this wagon. "I dont agree with him, yes that totally makes him scum"
At least he's given some ideas.
I still think that there's a way we can optimize our coins. Communism doesnt sound too bad in the right hands. Let me think, OK? TSN and his oppositors, can you explain town what are the pros and cons of their suggestions?

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This is a different Cream.

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What is rubbing me wrong with TSN is that he FOS's anyone that disagrees with him. I showed the numbers on why I felt the odds of coin pooling was bad and he still wanted to go along with it. I think he is nuts, but not scummy. I think creams attitude doesn't sound scummy to me. What exactly is the case against him?

How can you know if he doesnt sound scummy if you havent read all the case against him?

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EBWOP
Erase the first if.

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Pretty sure we have a scum here.

TheSweatpantsNinja (5): sideney, iamausername, Gimbo, Riceballtail, Rogue Shenanigans

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^ I looked him up, you could've totally found a better picture of this dude, I mean he's not bad to the eye, but that scowl is damn annoying.

Stop staring. And stop getting off topic. Just because we're pretty sure you're town means you can stop playing.

I dont like this conversation. At all.

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What about if we give coins to Gimbo so that he can buy a star? He's not killed tonight and he can confirm a townie or kill a scum.

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
Cream147 (3): armlx, Phoebus, Alabaska J
TheSweatpantsNinja (3): sideney, Riceballtail, iamausername
Xtoxm (2): DragonsofSummer, alvinz95
farside22 (2): TheSweatpantsNinja, Gimbo
populartajo (1): farside22
Alabaska J (1): populartajo
somestrangeflea (1): Dead Rikimaru
armlx (1): killa seven
Gimbo (1): somestrangeflea

Not voting (9): Xtoxm, Surye, MafiaSSK, Pepsidude, Cream147, FaerieLord, Celebloki, mr. incrediball, Rogue Shenanigans

With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch.

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Still here, will do a reread.

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Why cream huh?

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Im feeling really lazy atm.
Care to explain me why are you voting for him?

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I seriously dislike D1s. They seem too random. Everyone has the potential of making something scummy and be bandwagoned to death. Thats why I dont love bandwagons also but Ill reread tonight and post something useful later.

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WARNING BIG POST.
Yey, analysis.
First was the Random stage.
First pages and Gimbo makes some crazy silly things.
Somestragenflea post 117. Jumps seriously against a probably easy silly target = Gimbo.
Cream post 118. Scummy as hell. Follows SSF in his attacks against Gimbo.
[quote=“Cream”]
somestrangeflea, I'm impressed that you've managed to read through all the rubbish and find some actual scummy quotes from Gimbo. You put forward a decent case for this stage of the game which is why I Vote: Gimbo. [/quote]
Phoebus, post 119, is probably town. Decent reason for voting Cream.
SSF post 124. Keeping the attack against Gimbo.
Neutral about Farside, post 125. Relaxed and pacifist tone.
Armlx, post 126, is probably town. Joins Cream’s wagon again for a decent reason.
(Note : If Cream comes up innocent we should reevaluate the last four lignes)
Neutral about Celeboki, post 133. Pacifist tone
Sideney, post 134, joins Cream wagon. At this point of the wagon all the reasons are repetitions of the previous ones.
Cream, post 135, blatant backtrack.
[quote=“TSN”]
Ok...admittedly I didn't check that. I will Unvote for now...but Gimbo, you are annoying me a lot. [/quote]
TSN, post 137, gives one coin to armlx. Let’s see his explanation.
[quote=“TSN”]
You again. I don't. But if he doesn't use it on gimbo, which is what I want to happen, then I'll go after him tomorrow. [/quote]
Sideney, post 138, jumps against TSN. No reason. Scummy as hell.
Gimbo, post 140, follows Sideney. For now he’s confirmed but this is scummy as hell.

Imausername, post 141, follows him with a decent reason.
TSN, post 145, makes an interesting reasoning.
[quote=“TSN”]
But while I do think gimbo needs to be vigged, I, while making a sandwich, started thinking that as a town, we could build a lot of cop-doc combinations. [/quote]
In fact I like his attempt to optimize our coins. He is probably not right most of the time but at least he tries.
Farside, post 152, jumps against him with so-so reasoning.
SSF, post 156, IGMEOYs TSN. Jumping subtly in a silly bandwagon.
Next posts are comments about TSN coin-pooling suggestion. Farside seems specially aggressive against this proposition.
Gimbo, post 189, his big revelation : the 1up mushroom. This probably confirms him as A NECROMANCER ROLE. I still don’t get why a Toad would have a revival ability. I would have expected another name but whatever, his claim seems believable and too risky and easy to prove to be scum motivated.
Farside, post 219, gives a mushroom to Gimbo. Then she votes for me for suspecting that Gimbo didn’t have a Toad role. She arrives to this conclusion.
[quote=“Farside”]
IE everyone looks like a Toad, but not everyone is a toad. [/quote]
I still don’t get why she voted for me. Does she probably look like a Toad but isn’t one?
After that Gimbo realizes that he has fucked himself up and that he cant hold two items.
Farside, post 252 jump against Surye who proposes a decent way to prove Gimbo’s claim.
Sideney, post 269, follows Farside in this dumb reasoning.
All that follows is some nice reasoning about the 1UP Mushroom. Surye confirms that Gimbo has the 1UP mushroom. Farside is still paranoic about that exchange.
FaerieLord, post 324, still against coinpooling and defends Farside.
Mr.Incredibell, post 325, jumping against TSPN with soso reason.
The Cream-wagon starts. Surye tells us that the 1UP Mushroom has an abiility useful for scum.
Mr. Incrediball, post 354, unvotes. Wants more reasoning.
Rice, post 365, joins a TSN wagon started by Gimbo. Not agreeing with him. Poor reason.
Rogue, post 366, joins this wagon. Not agreeing with him. Poor reason.
Farside, post 387, last attempt to bring suspicion to TSN.
Rogue tells us that he bandwagoned TSN to get reactions and that he doesn’t see the case on cream.
Next posts are deciding between Cream, Rogue or Farside lynch.
Farside, page 19, shows us that she is probably good at maths. Cream is also good at maths.
Some replacements come in, town gets disorganized, all need a reread. The Cream wagon starts again.
Faerie Lord says that the town wants Cream dead and iamausername and Farside jump against him. Armxl joins later. Surye adds some spice.
SSF, Rogue and Mr.Incredibell jump conveniently in the wagon. I still don’t see the reason.
Rice votes No lynch. WTF?
Sideney votes Cream
Iamausername joins FL wagon.
Not too much to add. Goborage replaces and FoSes iamausername for a misread.

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You are going to hate me for this but my quotes didnt work.

Mod, can you delete the previous post?

Yey, analysis.
First was the Random stage.
First pages and Gimbo makes some crazy silly things.
Somestragenflea post 117. Jumps seriously against a probably easy silly target = Gimbo.
Cream post 118. Scummy as hell. Follows SSF in his attacks against Gimbo.

somestrangeflea, I'm impressed that you've managed to read through all the rubbish and find some actual scummy quotes from Gimbo. You put forward a decent case for this stage of the game which is why I Vote: Gimbo.

Phoebus, post 119, is probably town. Decent reason for voting Cream.
SSF post 124. Keeping the attack against Gimbo.
Neutral about Farside, post 125. Relaxed and pacifist tone.
Armlx, post 126, is probably town. Joins Cream’s wagon again for a decent reason.
(Note : If Cream comes up innocent we should reevaluate the last four lignes)
Neutral about Celeboki, post 133. Pacifist tone
Sideney, post 134, joins Cream wagon. At this point of the wagon all the reasons are repetitions of the previous ones.
Cream, post 135, blatant backtrack.

Ok...admittedly I didn't check that. I will Unvote for now...but Gimbo, you are annoying me a lot.

TSN, post 137, gives one coin to armlx. Let’s see his explanation.

You again. I don't. But if he doesn't use it on gimbo, which is what I want to happen, then I'll go after him tomorrow.

Sideney, post 138, jumps against TSN. No reason. Scummy as hell.
Gimbo, post 140, follows Sideney. For now he’s confirmed but this is scummy as hell.
Imausername, post 141, follows him with a decent reason.
TSN, post 145, makes an interesting reasoning.

But while I do think gimbo needs to be vigged, I, while making a sandwich, started thinking that as a town, we could build a lot of cop-doc combinations.

In fact I like his attempt to optimize our coins. He is probably not right most of the time but at least he tries.
Farside, post 152, jumps against him with so-so reasoning.
SSF, post 156, IGMEOYs TSN. Jumping subtly in a silly bandwagon.
Next posts are comments about TSN coin-pooling suggestion. Farside seems specially aggressive against this proposition.
Gimbo, post 189, his big revelation : the 1up mushroom. This probably confirms him as A NECROMANCER ROLE. I still don’t get why a Toad would have a revival ability. I would have expected another name but whatever, his claim seems believable and too risky and easy to prove to be scum motivated.
Farside, post 219, gives a mushroom to Gimbo. Then she votes for me for suspecting that Gimbo didn’t have a Toad role. She arrives to this conclusion.

IE everyone looks like a Toad, but not everyone is a toad.

I still don’t get why she voted for me. Does she probably look like a Toad but isn’t one?
After that Gimbo realizes that he has fucked himself up and that he cant hold two items.
Farside, post 252 jump against Surye who proposes a decent way to prove Gimbo’s claim.
Sideney, post 269, follows Farside in this dumb reasoning.
All that follows is some nice reasoning about the 1UP Mushroom. Surye confirms that Gimbo has the 1UP mushroom. Farside is still paranoic about that exchange.
FaerieLord, post 324, still against coinpooling and defends Farside.
Mr.Incredibell, post 325, jumping against TSPN with soso reason.
The Cream-wagon starts. Surye tells us that the 1UP Mushroom has an abiility useful for scum.
Mr. Incrediball, post 354, unvotes. Wants more reasoning.
Rice, post 365, joins a TSN wagon started by Gimbo. Not agreeing with him. Poor reason.
Rogue, post 366, joins this wagon. Not agreeing with him. Poor reason.
Farside, post 387, last attempt to bring suspicion to TSN.
Rogue tells us that he bandwagoned TSN to get reactions and that he doesn’t see the case on cream.
Next posts are deciding between Cream, Rogue or Farside lynch.
Farside, page 19, shows us that she is probably good at maths. Cream is also good at maths.
Some replacements come in, town gets disorganized, all need a reread. The Cream wagon starts again.
Faerie Lord says that the town wants Cream dead and iamausername and Farside jump against him. Armxl joins later. Surye adds some spice.
SSF, Rogue and Mr.Incredibell jump conveniently in the wagon. I still don’t see the reason.
Rice votes No lynch. WTF?
Sideney votes Cream
Iamausername joins FL wagon.
Not too much to add. Goborage replaces and FoSes iamausername for a misread.

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CONCLUSION (for the people who dont like to read)
Decent lynches: Rogue, Cream,
Possible decent lynches : Farside, Sideney or Mr. Incrediball, SSF.
Prob townies: Gimbo, Armlx, Phoebus, populartajo.

Vote : Rogue

Im going to ask some questions.
Do you think Gimbo could be scum now that we know that the 1UP mushroom also has a scum ability?
What was the exact reasn for voting Faerie Lord?
iamausername, Farside, Armxl, Surye, SSF, Rogue and Mr.Incredibel

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Phoebus is not a decent lynch.
We need more votes on Rogue, please.

[populartajo]

RL issues, will post ASAP. Posting this in all my games.

[populartajo]

Deadline is tomorrow?

[populartajo]

Bahgotown.

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Posting here to tell you that I havent received any notification of being alive.

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Yey Im alive.
So my votes dont count? Let's prove it.

Vote : Cream

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Oh I forgot there's a real votecount....
Why do I have the feeling that 1Up Mushroom special property is not as powerful for scum as I expected?

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I agree with the star plan. I have zero coins and zero items.
I also dont think Gimbo is confirmed innocent. I thought he was going to die yesterday. I dont know if scum though I was Peach but the logical play (unless we have dumb scum) was to kill someone as active as him and with a powerful item.
Also, for the flavor used in the lynch, does that mean that DK is another scum group?

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Moar! Than you guys I wont dissapoint you.
Anyone in special you want me to investigate?

[populartajo]

Counting Lawrencelot's transaction posts I have 5 coins.
Ill tell you two things after I receive the coins enough for a star.

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Ok. No fishy things here. Im actually gathering a lot of information with that post and the coin pooilng. That was like the first thing I was going to tell you.
The second thing Ill tell you later.
Now,
1)I want to know why Alabaska is so worried to give me coins and
2)how beneficial for town would it be to know the quantity of coins everyone has, creating a way to control the buying of items.
Opinions?

[populartajo]

More info pliz!

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if we get him a star he could hold everyone's extra coins over night and re distribute them the next day to keep scum from gaining coins from kills. only drawback is if there is some sort of scum coin stealing night ability. . .

I don't like this. Its practically a mass claim on coins, which I think will help the mafia more then us by far.

Alabaska's distrust of a confirmed townie is odd. Add him to the list.

I have a bad feeling about this post.
Armlx, why do you think a massclaim on coins is bad?

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I see. Ive though in you guys giving me all your coins and redistributing in semi confirmed players but I doubt you'll agree with me.
How benefitial would it be for town to know who has no coins? Scum as a reduced group should have at least some coins, right?
My idea of coinclaiming would be that I can see Bowser having a lot of coins as he's the one who probably flowered me yesterday.

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Hi guys. Im waiting Law for calling the failed transactions before I make an official count. Maybe Flameaxe can help with that.
About the coinpooling, Im still thinking in a way we can all optimize this situation. Im defintely thinking in coinclaiming and then finding a way to test the claim. Until this moment, some players (iamusername, for example) have already done this.
I sincerely think at least one scum have more coins than the normal townie and we can stop the buy of fireflowers for that group.
Also, seeing that we have an easy confirmation item (Feather) early in a very possible townie player (I dnt remember his name) I assume scum have a way to counter, kill, roleblock,etc, a confirmed townie. I hope the power of the star is enough to avoid this.
Armlx and Alabaska
1. How many coins do you think scum could have?
2. Why do you think power roles more likely to have less coins?

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Also, I dont have any information of the 1UP Mushroom. The PM I got from Law just told me I was revived with zero items and zero coins.

[populartajo]

Are you against coinclaiming? Why?

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Because he is missing what you are missing in the claim.

farside, Gimbo, Surye, why are you unvoting Cream for claiming this game's version of a vanilla townie? How does that in any way convince you that the evidence against him is wrong?

I think you are scum too basically.
Beside iamausername and Alabaska J who wants me to explain what it is that is they are missing?
Actually one better. Popularjato (sorry I know I am killing your name here) Do you believe Cream's claim? Don't say why just answer. If you don't I will explain why I do after that. mkky

I believe Cream's claim.
However I dont find iamusername scummy at all. So Im totally not liking this wagon.
Whats wrong with Alabaska? I was thinking he was town as he was the only one who was doubting my role, (such a bad play for scum) but why does he subtly protect Iamusername and suddenly attack Rice?
And Farside I know you got excited with what you found out but stop otuing possible no Peach roles. Please.

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By Law count I have already 8 coins.
Im not liking Alabaska for some reason. And I have a bad feeling about Armlx. I might reread. But for now I agree with iamusername.

Unvote. Vote : Mr. Incrediball.

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DBE and SSF, why are you voting for this guy?=

[populartajo]

The same reason you are Pop...to lynch the lying scum!

Hi Darla. Lol, when did he lie?

[populartajo]

This is so awkward.....

huh?

can we please just lynch him. I really don't feel like waiting for a replacement even though it is the right thing to do.

I want a claim.

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I dont see enough massclaim.
And I was the one who killed armlx.

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Ok WE NEED MASSCLAIM. It doesnt matter if scum know all of our roles beacuse if we dont lynch Bowser today then WE LOSE.
Ok I still dont have a massclaim order but I definetely know who I want claiming first. Alabaska go.

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Im toadsworth im peaches personal assistant, ive stood by her all of her life,
so no disguise can fool me. i cant comunicate with peach and she doesnt know who i am. i will be notified if shes kidnapped and who did it.
last night i was notified that she wasnt kidnapped see my other post.

Actually why would you be notified if you said that you can only be notified if she IS kidnapped?

[populartajo]

Because the lynch of this day is so important

, I will try to set the deadline very soon. If there is still enough discussion before deadline, or if it is requested, the deadline can be extended.

I have a question, does scum know they had kidnapped the wrong princess?
How can Fl talk to us if shes kidnapped? Who kidnapped you?
Why did killa seven receive a notification if Peach wasnt kidnapped?
Mmmmm.
But I sincerely cant believe scum planned all this Daisy and Advisor Toad thing.
Well the obvious is that if someone can counterclaim Daisy or that Toad( very possible characters) then do it.
So Alabaska is Dr.Mario. Very elaborate claim. Can you protect yourself?
Actually I want ALL the feather results if any from yesterday night. Its important.
Im rereading Armlx currently.

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Fair enough. Ok STOP CLAIMING all of you. As I said earlier I sincerely cant see those two guys as scum claiming possible roles. So we're safe for today. Now go back to your scumhunting channel please.
.............
Rereading armlx was pretty hard since he usually posted small phrases. We have the advantage that he knew who was Bowser so I find impossible that he attacked him in some part of the game. Therefore Im pretty sure that Cream, farside, SSF, Faerie Lord (yey) and Riceball, dont belong to Bowser's Army
............
I guess its time for coinpooling. The possibilities of finding Peach with so many confirmed players here are pretty high. Now that we have semiconfirmed townies we can make more investigations for the night.
.....
K7 one last question. Do you know who is Peach?

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Ok Ive been thinking abut this and we need to coinclaim and to pool our coins to investigate people tonight. I already said its pretty easy for scum to find Peach tonight.
I dont know yet if I believe Alabaska's claim. It is easily testable if we give coins to a confirmed player to buy a fireflower and then make Ala to protect that player. Now I dont find it necessary since Im thinking that claiming Dr Mario is a very risky claim if scum but hey anything can happen.
But if you want to test it then thats why we need to put all our coins in one place and then we can decide what to do with them.
I have 5 coins.
I think that I might have an idea about what FL isnt telling us about her role. But Ill stop speculating and Im going to 100% believe her.
Coinpooling go!

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People that havent given coins to me yet please do it.

[populartajo]

Why is everyone giving coins to tajo and not killa seven?

Chill. I am going to redistribute them.

[populartajo]

And I believe Ashmites claim. DBE is scum BTW.

Vote : DarlaBE

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Ok. Tonight Im preparing a list of semiconfirmed townies to distribute the coins for feathering and such. Please the players that havent still given all their coins please do it.
Im asking all of you to answer this.
1) Should K7 have a star?
2) Who of the following do you think SHOULDNT get a feather?
- TSPN
- Gremwell
- Farside
- Cream
- Rice
- Alabaska

[populartajo]

Forget about what I said about DBE. SSF and Cream, (and all the rest) can you answer my questions?

[populartajo]

Why cant Rice hold an item?

[populartajo]

Forget about what I said about DBE. SSF and Cream, (and all the rest) can you answer my questions?

You can only ride your confirmed town ticket so far. I don't like this but let it pass because of your status. I'd like my star question answered.

I got confused. What star question?

[populartajo]

If a star hits someone guarded by a star, do they die?

Why would I know how to answer this question?

[populartajo]

Kay.

People that has given coins

Gobo 1
ForbiddenL 1
Gremwell 2
DBE 1
SSF 2
Surye 0
Lord Gurgi 0
Ashmite 2
Faerie Lord 0
Farside 0

Total 10 coins.

If YOU ARENT in the list please give me all your coins. And if Im missing someone let me know.
Id like to confirm that all the players that have given their coins still have zero coins. You know how you can do this. Bold "give one coin to populartajo" and we'll know when the transaction fails.

[populartajo]

Give one coin to killa seven

. This actually will work, even though I didn't have any before, because I somehow received one last night.

How did this happen?

FoS: Iamusername.

Were you the one that kidnapped Daisy and got her coins?
And Id suggest giving me all the coins so we can have a proper accounting of the coins. Killa seven is definetely important for town and we need to save him. Hes not vital but may be helpful tomorrow.
However, without coins scum can't kill killa seven. Only bowser can do it (asuuming he has a permanent night action) and lets see if he really wants to waste another night killing him with so few players to choose for Peach.
I dont think theres enough money for a star so we'll probably give him a mushroom.
Im planing on giving feathers to Gremwell, TSPN and Rice, any comments?
BTW...
Im still having problems believing Alabaska's claim. I feel theres something off in it. Why would there be a doctor if there are protective mushrooms? It seems a bit redundant.

[populartajo]

i only need 1 more coin if iams transaction goes through.

? To get a star? Killa seven. I dont have time to reread the thread but would you know the player who kidnapped Peach?

Faerie Lord, how many coins did you have when you were kidnapped?

For some strange reason I feel we need to lynch iamusername. Theres no way a town role can receive coins.

[populartajo]

I think that scum has to buy their kills. Only Bowser's Army can send a free NK (kidnapping). Thats why I think that scum either have :
a) a lot of coins.
b) a way to produce coins.

K7, no one is going to get a star today. We are only going to feather people and protect you so Id like that you give me all your coins to distribute them.

[populartajo]

K7, no one is going to get a star today. We are only going to feather people and protect you so Id like that you give me all your coins to distribute them.

Whoa. K7 is so much more valuable than you. Which is nothing personal. . . but why the hell aren't we giving him a star? We should be getting him a star.

fair enough but i definetely think that we should feather as much as possible.
I have a question. If K7 gets a star tonight, aka isnt killed and scum for some reason kidnappes Peach, would he know who kidnapped her, aka Bowser?
How can scum deal with this situation?

[populartajo]

@Alabaska just curious, why were you against massclaiming when D3 started but then you were asking for K7's and ashmite's claims? And how does your night action exactly work? Do you buy the mushroom first or do you prescribe first? Are your vitamins items so that we can test them tomorrow by giving them to a player with no items?

So star for K7? What about a Mushroom?
Feathers for : TSPN, Gremwell and for me. Okay?
The only thing that makes me wonder about this is that maybe scum have a way to deal with this. However with no coins they cant buy fireflowers.
K7, I need an asnwer do you know who is Peach?

Mmm Im not feeling the Korts wagon.

[populartajo]

I say no to a Korts lynch.
If he were Bowser he would avoid all kind of speculations about his role. Also I was really tempted to post the same reasoning. And I thik I even posted it.

Unvote Vote : Goborage

Also V/LA until the 22-23.

[populartajo]

I have an idea. Why dont you ask the confirmed Toad?

[populartajo]

Yep. Posting later. Impossible now.

[populartajo]

Announcement

: it's 1 week till deadline (deadline info is always in the first post). The next game days will have shorter deadlines, because summer is (almost) over and holidays should be less of a problem. Expect deadlines of 2 weeks at the start of the next game days, with a maximum extension of 1 week. The current deadline will not be extended.

Woot. That means this

isnt

the last day.
I agree with Cream. Farside, ash, Cream and prob Nat are confirmed Toads. Or they could all be scum with fakeclaims in their PMS. Im rhinking in the former. The only bad thing about this situation is that Natnoob outed another nonpeach role. Meh..
I was thinking about one thing. What about if instead of feathering people we just fireflower like hell. Since Peach cant die we wont kill her and with so many confirmed Toads I think the chances of hitting scum are high.
Thooughts?

Also

Unvote Vote Iamusername

Fos : Ting

Jumping against a confirmed player?

And should I give a coin to Mr.K7?

[populartajo]

Hey guys lets get Korts up enough votes so he is lynched at deadline kthxbai

Agreed.

vote: Korts

No. Guys, can we please lynch either Gobo or iamusername? I dont feel good with a Korts lynch. And maybe he should consider claiming before it is too late.

I still think that fireflowering may be useful. And although it is obvious that scum may have some inmunity, (its extremely possible Bowser is unkillable) I really like the fact that there are so many confirmed Toads that could hit scum. Also remember scum have no coins right now and possibly not mushrooms.

If we're believing K7 then the odds for losing the game with the Bowser kidnapping Peach scenario are low. So theres no problem with reducing the chances of hiting Peach.

So this is the last question, K7
Would you know who kidnapped Peach? Do you know who is Peach? If you answer this, Ill give you a coin.

[populartajo]

Pop i allready answered thos questions multiple times.
Yes i know who peach is and yes i will be notified who kidnapped peach if or when peach is kidnapped.

Fair enough.

Give 1 coin to K7

Pick well.

Why iamausername?

Im used to more reasoning from his part. Jumping agaisnt Farside even though we knew she was prob confirmed doesnt fit well with his usual reasoning. Also there were some connections between you, Imausername and Armlx. Rite?

[populartajo]

Ok, I'm back, and will be catching up shortly. A quick skim tells me, though, that I owe you guys a claim.

I'm a Shy Guy, and I'm your guide around here. My ability basically is that I can use a feather for tracking instead of investigating.

Cool role...I have an issue. Isn't Shy Guy a bad guy?

Not in all the games, I think. Mario Party springs to mind.

Mmm. Arent all players neutral in Mario Party?
Korts, I suppose you must have a feather?

[populartajo]

Ok, I'm back, and will be catching up shortly. A quick skim tells me, though, that I owe you guys a claim.

I'm a Shy Guy, and I'm your guide around here. My ability basically is that I can use a feather for tracking instead of investigating.

Cool role...I have an issue. Isn't Shy Guy a bad guy?

Not in all the games, I think. Mario Party springs to mind.

Mmm. Arent all players neutral in Mario Party?
Korts, I suppose you must have a feather?

Right, I didn't claim actions. I started with 6 coins, with which I bought a feather N1 and feathered farside; she didn't go anywhere. I gave away my last coin D2 and haven't had any since.

Why farside?
And can you try this?

Give a feather to populartajo

[populartajo]

I can try, but I don't have the feather anymore, I used it.

Give a feather to populartajo

As to why farside: when I replaced in, she seemed suspicious for reasons I couldn't fathom. I usually use investigative powers on either unreadables or unprovables. She was the latter.

Why did you track him if you could investigate her?

[populartajo]

I was going to post the same thing, FL. Although minor, already two "slips" really make me wonder about Korts. But if he were scum wouldnt he have bought a fireflower? Which leads to my next question, why isnt scum buying fireflowers?

[populartajo]

I was going to post the same thing, FL. Although minor, already two "slips" really make me wonder about Korts. But if he were scum wouldnt he have bought a fireflower? Which leads to my next question, why isnt scum buying fireflowers?

It's possible they are and hoarding them waiting for claims and good targets. Well, perhaps. Or they don't has the coins for it yet.

Also, if he were scum, he'd probably lie about his purchase anyway.

Let's do this.

PLAN
1. Anyone with a fireflower give it to me.

Give a fireflower to populartajo.

If we leave scum with no coins and zero fireflowers we should only worry about Bowser's NK.

2. Anyone with a mushroom give it to me.

Give a mushroom to populartajo

3. We give coins to our confirmed Toads for fireflowering people. Scum have no mushrooms, no coins and no fireflowers.

4. We kick scum arses.

5. We have an orgy with Peach.

Thoughts?

[populartajo]

Of course it all should be done in order. Then we can give extra items to Rice.

[populartajo]

I loved the epic failure.

Hey iam, you ignored my vote and I might be geting paranoid, but can you repeat the process but giving them to Rice and not to random players?
Just checking becuase IIRC if you give an item to a player holding already an item your transaction fails but you keep the item.

Wait a second, why did SSF have more coins than she should? Explain! ... I may be missing something but she surely knows.

Ok, the next step of my plan is to decide if we're fireflowing like crazy tonight or if we just feather. Thoughts?


Just in case.

List of possible confirmed

Cream
Ashmite
Farside
Natirasha

Confirmed like a pro

Populartajo

[populartajo]

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Korts (6): Alabaska J, Gremwell, somestrangeflea, Riceballtail, Natirasha, Surye
Natirasha (3): ting =), farside22, forbiddanlight
FaerieLord (1): Korts
ashmite84 (1): TheSweatpantsNinja
iamausername (1): populartajo
goborage (1): iamausername

Not voting (8): skitzer, killa seven, DarlaBlueEyes, FaerieLord, Lord Gurgi, Cream147, goborage, ashmite84

With 21 alive it takes 11 real votes to lynch. Deadline: August 28

I loved the epic failure.

Hey iam, you ignored my vote and I might be geting paranoid, but can you repeat the process but giving them to Rice and not to random players?
Just checking becuase IIRC if you give an item to a player holding already an item your transaction fails but you keep the item.

Wait a second, why did SSF have more coins than she should? Explain! ... I may be missing something but she surely knows.

Ok, the next step of my plan is to decide if we're fireflowing like crazy tonight or if we just feather. Thoughts?


Just in case.

List of possible confirmed

Cream
Ashmite
Farside
Natirasha
Lord Guri
Gremweel
TSPN

Confirmed like a pro

Populartajo

[populartajo]

Yep, Id suggest lynching Korts. The real votecount should be helpful.
So have we already decided we're fireflowing tonight?

[populartajo]

OK,

Unvote, Vote: Korts

. No one else is going to get lynched today, and his claim is hardly filling me with confidence.

iam stop ignoring me.

[populartajo]

Hey guys, giving all our coins away is smart, I'm not so sure telling the scum who has what items is quite so smart.

That's not the point, guy who is looking more scummy now, everyone is to remove all their items and coins, because it minimizes the number of variables we have to deal with.

The idea is lame. Giving all our coins away is one thing. At least those coins are actually kept, still around, just in a confirmed townies hands rather than our own. Throwing away items is just stupid.

The idea behind this was to give items following an order but everyone started like crazy giving items to Rice. However, I find very unlikely that town roles keep fireflowers for some reason.
As I said my idea was to have all players reseted to zero coins, zero protection and zero killing so that we can fireflower like WWII tonight. Peach cant be killed and its obvious that scum (if decent) already know that there are only like 2-3 possible choices. So, IMO, we have to reduce the possibilities of finding scum for tomorrow.

[populartajo]

The idea is lame. Giving all our coins away is one thing. At least those coins are actually kept, still around, just in a confirmed townies hands rather than our own. Throwing away items is just stupid.

Why?

I think it may be related with the fact that we "wasted" a mushroom. And maybe TSPN's suggestion that knowing what items people have help more scum than us.

[populartajo]

I rule guys. Now I really want to kill Alabaska.

[populartajo]

Forbiddin light is town.

Wait hang on.
How come?

Wait... I'm confused. Maybe I missed something, but the real vote count shows populartajo with a real vote? I thought he didn't have one, per Gimbo's 1up?

This is important and needs to be resolved ASAP because it brings a confirmed into question.

a)He probably used a star on him.
b)I think is a typo but Id really like to confirm it.

[populartajo]

Mario claim please.

[populartajo]

Interestengly enough, a Mario claim can make Alabaska's lynch more possible. Why would there be two Marios? If no one claims Mario then I think its pretty possible that Alabaska is indeed Dr. Mario.
.........
STOP VOTING NOW. There are enough votes in Alabaska. Deadline is away and we dont want another situation like yesterday. Alabaska already knows hes heavily suspected but his claim can be real. So if there is another Mario, claim now.
..........
As stated yesterday the Peach thing shouldnt worry us anymore since scum only have the Bowser NK as Korts revealed. K7 should be good enough with a mushroom and ready to tell us Bowser's idendity in the case Peach is kidnapped.
.........
Now Im really worried about the poeple who got coins and items yesterday. IIRC, Imusername the scum got a coin of nowhere. I understand that there could be townies genereating coins but Im also worried about the fact that Toads cant produce coins and that I cant think in anyone giving a coin to Natirasha.
.......
And yes I endorse the give me coins things. NO ITEMS FOR NOW. AND NO ONE SHOULD GIVE ITEM TO RICE. I have a theory about it but Ill tell you after eveyrone is confirmed to have zero coins.

[populartajo]

Just a reread of Imausername told me many things.
People that arent in Bowser's army: goborage, Surye, farside, Rice and Gurgi.
Enormous link : Alabaska and maybe ting.

[populartajo]

..........
As stated yesterday the Peach thing shouldnt worry us anymore since scum only have the Bowser NK as Korts revealed. K7 should be good enough with a mushroom and ready to tell us Bowser's idendity in the case Peach is kidnapped.
.........
.

Yea so if someone could hook me up with a mushroom id appreciate it.

Easy my friend. We'll first recollect coins.
And I reapeat, stop the voting until Alabaska comments.

[populartajo]

I think is time to bring this list again.

List of possible confirmed

Cream
Ashmite
Farside
Natirasha
Lord Gurgi
Gremwell

TSPN

Forbiddan Light

Confirmed like a pro

Populartajo

So this is the plan, we fireflower anyone not confirmed. Some innocentes would have to die but we are in good shape. Thoughts?
Also, K7 why do you want more coins? A mushroom would be enough.

And ting doesnt stop being scummy.

FoS: ting

AS for the Alabaska lynch I was just going to post that Ala not mentioning anyhting about the possibility of being a double voter. Im asking the brothers, do your PMs talk about it? So good catch there, SSF.

Also, since we cant lose with the Peach thing and we know only Bowser can NK? Why dont we mass claim?

Also, Mod I think we need to replace/prod goborage, natirasha, DBE, ashmite.

[populartajo]

Hey, why did this transaction fail?

Give one mushroom to Killa seven

I have contacted Lawrencealot on why my mushroom did not disappear yesterday--it is very possibly a mod error.

Transaction failed. Indeed it was.

[populartajo]

Yep, post something useful. Where did your recent mushroom go? Why do you (a Toad) get a coin and why me (a Toad) dont get one?

[populartajo]

Wow. What the hell is going in here. Why can't there be Dr. Mario and Mario in the same game? What, exactly are the reasons for voting me? I can't talk about ongoing games, but trust me, populartajo is horrible at being confirmed town. Seriously can anyone come up with a reason to vote me other than outguessing the mod?

Lol.
Ala, why dont you get double votes as your brother Luigi?

[populartajo]

Wow. What the hell is going in here. Why can't there be Dr. Mario and Mario in the same game? What, exactly are the reasons for voting me? I can't talk about ongoing games, but trust me, populartajo is horrible at being confirmed town. Seriously can anyone come up with a reason to vote me other than outguessing the mod?

Lol.
Ala, why dont you get double votes as your brother Luigi?

Because I'm

Doctor Mario

not

Mario

dumbass. Seriously, any reasons other than outguessing the mod? That would seriously fuck up the power balance if I got doubles too.

Chill out. Who is scum then?

[populartajo]

No, no, stop before we lynch and we dont give fireflowers. FoS wil be enough for now.

[populartajo]

Actually why didnt this double thing happen when you all 3 (Gremweel, Rice and FL) were were in mr. incrediball wagon?

[populartajo]

I don't actually know if his vote has been taken away or not, he's the one who got the PM about it. That's the thing that is wrong with that plan.

What PM?

[populartajo]

Looking for a replacement for goborage and ashmite84.

I will consider replacing DarlaBlueEyes if she won't post or pm me for more than a week.

Law, can you be more specific with what happened with Natirasha's mushrooms? Which dissapeared? Which was succesful?

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Alabaska J (4): farside22, Lord Gurgi, Natirasha, DarlaBlueEyes
ting =) (2): Riceballtail, forbiddanlight
Natirasha (1): ting =)

Not voting (10): skitzer, Surye, killa seven, Gremwell, Alabaska J, Cream147, ashmite84, goborage, populartajo, somestrangeflea

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[populartajo]

Mine doesn't. TADA pop we have fixed this problem you wifomed into existence.

Not precisely. We still have to outguess the mod. Why are there two marios? Why not multiple yoshis as said earlier?

Are there multiple versions of Yoshi in the games?

Im not exactly sure about the regular mario games, but i think they had a yoshi game that had different versions of yoshi's in it.

It seems to me i am replacing into this game as a replacement for goborage

so before i actually get into this, yeah there are A LOT of yoshis check out SMW 1 and Super Mario RPG

What does your poisonous mushroom do?

[populartajo]

Why would he get a PM?

[populartajo]

This should be helpful

There's actually a decent reason (for page 1) to believe Alabaska is town right now, btw.

It's not 100% assured, but usually mafia are allowed to talk during day start confirm phases (ie. every newbie game atm). I would think that Alabaska as scum would have at least noticed if his inbox started filling with messages from random people.

I don't like this. Its practically a mass claim on coins, which I think will help the mafia more then us by far.

Alabaska's distrust of a confirmed townie is odd. Add him to the list.

MafiaSSK replaced out as soon as being prodded? Shocking.

Unvote, vote farside.

Where is that coming from?

FOS Alabaska

, might become a vote.

I endorse this post. I seemed to remember alabaska's vote flopping a lot, but upon review it wasn't anything other people didn't do (the whole deadline issue).

Can someone cite a reason they are voting Alabaska/IAUN outside of their reactions to Cream's claim?

[populartajo]

Also, no to plan on me hammering RBT. It's not a scenario where one of us is bound to be scum. We could both be town, and in that scenario - I still have my vote and I'd hammer a role that's essentially a delayed cop. I'm not going to do that.

FWIW, I thought that RBT was claiming that he had received a PM saying you'd lost your vote, meaning that at least one of you was scum.

I assume we've stopped trying to give our coins to pop since it seems he can't hold anymore, so where are with regards to the "Things We Must Do Before We Lynch™"?

When did this happen?
@ting: Im not ignoring you. I just feel that the way you and Iamusername jumped against Nat, even though he could be a confirmed townie felt a little off.
But Im willing to test you. Since Rice is confirmed Yoshi your vote will count if you're town.
And I believe Natirasha is Toad for his reactions to the PM and probably not Bowser for the way Iam jumped agaisnt him.

[populartajo]

Give 2 coins to Populartajo

Give 1 coin to Populartajo

Transaction succesful. Natirasha loses 2 coins and populartajo gains 1 coin. Second transaction failed.

I assume Nat had only one coin.
Nat?

Also

Give 2 coins to Populartajo
Give 1 coin to Populartajo

The second trasaction will fail. I also have a mushroom for some reason. Anyways, Suyre's looking quite scummy right now.

Give one mushroom to Killa seven

Wky K7 is asking for a mushroom?

[populartajo]

Give 2 coins to Populartajo
Give 1 coin to Populartajo

The second trasaction will fail. I also have a mushroom for some reason. Anyways, Suyre's looking quite scummy right now.

Give one mushroom to Killa seven

Wky K7 is asking for a mushroom?

Because Natirasha doesn't have a mushroom. He gave it to RBT on Day 3, but this transaction was incorrectly noted as "failed" by the mod. The error as since been rectified.

Im kinda confused... So, Nat had a mushrrom today becuase Law forgot to take it away?

[populartajo]

We have also to find a way to test how Mario-Luigi votes work.

[populartajo]

Give two coins to Gremwell
Give two coins to Cream

If you're confirmed and Ive forgotten about you, tell me.

[populartajo]

i woudl like a coin please...

Unvote Vote:mnowax.

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Alabaska J (6): farside22, Lord Gurgi, Natirasha, DarlaBlueEyes, forbiddanlight, Surye
Natirasha (3): ting =), Alabaska J, Cream147
ting =) (1): Riceballtail
mnowax (1): populartajo

Not voting (6): skitzer, killa seven, Gremwell, ashmite84, goborage, somestrangeflea

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[populartajo]

Claim, please. I have no idea why you havent yet.

[populartajo]

mnowzx=goborage should claim.
And Cream and Farside are confirmed Toads. We know why.
@Gremwell, we go with fireflowers.

[populartajo]

The following people havent confirmed they have zero coins. Please confirm.
-skitzer
-Gremwell
-Alabaska J
-ting =)
-DarlaBlueEyes
-Riceballtail
-ashmite84
-goborage

And I just realized the fireflowers cost 3 coins. I will give the rest of the money when I get home later.

[populartajo]

No, let me clear this up. I have a mushroom, and my PM had a little aside about how I can protect myself with the mushroom.

Farside and Cream, is this true?

[populartajo]

I had 1 coins at the start of today. I gave you two coins yesterday, so I was assuming that I got 2 coins each day.

When did you give me 2 coins yesterday?
And why did you say you had 1 coins at the start of the day and somehow I received 2.

[populartajo]

I have * votes. Where * is equal to zero, but

multiplies the value of Mario or Luigi by two.

doubles Gurgi's vote

[populartajo]

K7, Coins?

[populartajo]

I have * votes. Where * is equal to zero, but

multiplies the value of Mario or Luigi by two.

doubles Gurgi's vote

Stop misleading people about my role kthx.

I was talking about me.
@Cream, Farside
With what Nat just said, we already know Nat isnt a Toad, right?

[populartajo]

Hey Rice do you have coins?

[populartajo]

Ala, how many coins do you have? Any items?

[populartajo]

I have * votes. Where * is equal to zero, but

multiplies the value of Mario or Luigi by two.

doubles Gurgi's vote

Stop misleading people about my role kthx.

I was talking about me.
@Cream, Farside
With what Nat just said, we already know Nat isnt a Toad, right?

I certainly never gained a coin or anything at the start of my day. I already stated the fact that I have a feeling that some toads may have different abilities when it comes to the mushroom.
On a side note. Alaska how can you ask people to ignore Armlx interaction with you and Iamusername?

Far, do you remember how did we confirm Cream's claim? Now compare it with Nat's? Comments?

[populartajo]

To clarify before people add spin: I just like a Nat lynch more than an Ala lynch, like Surye likes an Ala lynch over a Nat lynch. I'm not defending Ala.

What do you think of him?

[populartajo]

mnowax claim

[populartajo]

Ok here's the deal. Since we have some claims going on I THINK its extremely necessary for mnowax to claim. There's no way Peach can have a poisonous mushroom so no problem with that.

So please claim. NOW. Explain the motives for a townie role to have one poisonous mushroom. Better than that. Explain what does your mushrrom do? NOW..

And Nat's case is strange. Either he's a powerful Toad or he's scum. Im the confirmed Toad and I dont get coins. How's that possible? Someone please fireflower him tonight.

And Ting move your vote to No-Lynch please. Also, can you top your suspects?

For the moment I agree with an Ala lynch. If mnowaxy keeps refusing then pretty sure we caught a scum there.

Also

The following people havent confirmed they have zero coins. Please confirm.
-skitzer
-Gremwell
-Alabaska J
-DarlaBlueEyes
-ashmite84
-mnowax

[populartajo]

I don't see why the mod-confirmed toad needs to explain anything.

This is so wrong and fallacious it hurts.

As much as Id like to disagree with this comment, I actually agree. But hey, at least, you can trust me.

Surye, you belong to another scum faction, right?

[populartajo]

I don't see why the mod-confirmed toad needs to explain anything.

This is so wrong and fallacious it hurts.

Keff'd.

Town != Infallible.

Surye, you belong to another scum faction, right?

Where'd this come from?

I agree with Nat that Surye feels a little off lately. Since he isnt confirmed I think someone would like to fireflower him.

[populartajo]

I think fireflowing will be the best solution to win this game. Sadly, the majority of People not confirmed will have to die. Do you agree?

[populartajo]

I think fireflowing will be the best solution to win this game. Sadly, the majority of People not confirmed will have to die. Do you agree?

You ignored my question, off from what? I don't agree, and even if I did, should we not start with people of actual suspect? Or am I on your suspect list?

Surye what about if you claim and we stop this argument right now...

[populartajo]

I don't quite get what Popular is on lately...for the last 30-40 pages that is. Not that I would mind Surye claiming, but I don't see any real need for it...

I already shared my plan. I havent seen anyone objecting to it. We fireflower non confirmed players, specially suspected ones, aka Mnowax, Ting, Ala, Natirasha and lately Surye.
Since we have many confirmed Toads we can trust them to fireflower this group and tomorrow we have at least one or two scum in this group. Pretty sure. We do the same thing we're doing today, trying to stablish links, know more roles, etc, etc.
Now that I remember I think Ting should also claim.
Thoughts?

[populartajo]

The following person should claim.
mnowax : we dont know why he has a poisonous mushroom.

If we dont believe their claims, we fireflower tonight*:
Mnowax (by )
Ting (by )
Surye (by )
Nat (by Cream)

Do you ALL agree?

*This brings the debate that wether is good to vig/fireflower to reduce the
possibilities of finding scum.

Gremwell, why havent you given your coins? [/avarice]

[populartajo]

If we dont believe their claims, we fireflower tonight*:
Mnowax (by )
Ting (by )
Surye (by )
Nat (by Cream)

Do you ALL agree?

When did Alabaska slip out of the firing line? Or have you just assumed he's the lynch?

Lately Ive been thinking that I want to test him tonight. I want him to protect someone, dont know who yet. Since we have all the coins and all the items of the town (hopefully) then we can manage to test his claim with a simple fireflower aimed to a player we dont suspect very much.

[populartajo]

Since Im pretty sure scum have a list like the following one I think its pretty safe to post it here to help us determine the night actions.

People and their roles. People in bold are prob confirmed.

-skitzer NO IDEA
-Natirasha Apparent Toad

-forbiddanlight Luigi

-somestrangeflea NO IDEA
-Surye NO IDEA

-killa seven Toadsworth

-Gremwell Mario

-Alabaska J Testable Dr. Mario

-farside22 Toad

-ting =) NO IDEA
-DarlaBlueEyes Apparent Toad for his reaction to Ashmite's claim

-Lord Gurgi Gimbo Toad

-Cream147 Toad

-Riceballtail Yoshi

-ashmite84 Toad

-mnowax , CLAIM PLEASE

-populartajo, Toad

So the deal is we give fireflowers to confirmed to kill non confirmed. Agree?

[populartajo]

fine.

I am a toad with a poisionous mushroom. i have no coins.

What does your poisonous mushroom do?

[populartajo]

Gremwell, why havent you given your coins? [/avarice]

I said earlier in the day I had 2 coins, and it wasn't a problem, then you gave me 2 and a flower or shroom both cost 3 so I really didn't know what was going on.

Oh. Buy a fireflower and pick a target for tonight. Give me the coin that is left.

[populartajo]

This is how I see this.
If we had the oportunity to lynch two or more suspected players a day, would we do it?

Now se suspect :
mnowax for his poisonous mushroom,
Nat the Toad for his non-Toad powers
Ala for his relationship with iamusername and his Dr. Mario claim.
Surye for a quick reread that makes me wonder why did he think the 1-up mushroom could have been useful for scum and why did he always jump in the wrong wagons. Example

I don't like the case on Cream, and I don't feel comfortable putting my vote on him.

However, the Cream wagon is making a lot of sense. I liked it yesterday, I like it more today.

Vote: Cream

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Now, if we follow the no-fireflower strategy, and if we lynch/vig wrong today we would be in the same situation tomorrow, picking our second top suspect and so on, when we have like a gazillion of semiconfirmed players that can pseudolynch in the night people that we dont like.

As for the Ala thing I think we can test his claim.

Thoughts?

[populartajo]

And Alab is still today's lynch. I stand behind this 100%. There is no need to test his claim. There would not be a Dr. Mario, it makes no sense. I'm not outguessing the mod, I'm paying attention to his game. Also, as stated, his interactions with known scum are glaringly obvious.

Kay Surye. I like your defense so far. Just curious:
a) What would happen if Ala is the real doctor?
b) Who are your other suspects?

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Alabaska J (7): farside22, Lord Gurgi, Natirasha, DarlaBlueEyes, forbiddanlight, Surye, mnowax
Natirasha (3): ting =), Alabaska J, Cream147
ting =) (1): Riceballtail
mnowax (1): populartajo

Not voting (5): skitzer, killa seven, Gremwell, ashmite84, somestrangeflea

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[populartajo]

Mod I think we need to replace asmite and DBE.

[populartajo]

Thx for pointing this out. Maybe Gurgi can unvote.
If someone hammers then that person is obv scum btw.

We are still figuring out what should we do tonight. I have proposed the fireflower strategy (I think is optimal since we effectively kill more suspects a day). Any other proposals or ideas? Any other suspect?

[populartajo]

Ughh, skitzer is scummy as hell. Maybe we also should fireflower her.

[populartajo]

hey, I'm fine with a skitzer flowering. I'm debating on the Ala thing...but in the end I think a lynch is fine too.

We can test Ala. He was fighting quite hard if you ask me.

So Id like to do a list of "to do".
-Ting should vote No lynch.
-Mnowax should explain why is he a Toad with a poisonous mushroom.
-Find a target to be fireflowered by a confirmed Toad and to be protected by Alabaska.
-Lynch skitzer.

Mod: prod her.

-Decide if we fireflower non confirmed like hell.

[populartajo]

No. We dont mass fireflower. We fireflower people we dont like. Theres no need for a mass claim. Only suspected people should claim.
Thats why mnowax and skitzer should claim/explain pronto.

[populartajo]

hey, I'm fine with a skitzer flowering. I'm debating on the Ala thing...but in the end I think a lynch is fine too.

We can test Ala. He was fighting quite hard if you ask me.

So Id like to do a list of "to do".
-Ting should vote No lynch.
-Mnowax should explain why is he a Toad with a poisonous mushroom.
-Find a target to be fireflowered by a confirmed Toad and to be protected by Alabaska.
-Lynch skitzer.

Mod: prod her.

-Decide if we fireflower non confirmed like hell.

There's an easier way to test his claim if you must, and not give scum another day to live. Lynch skitzer, star Alabaska if you must, but there's no point in testing his claim when we can test/kill in one swift move.

Or we could test his claim today and I star other suspected guy tonight. This is simple.
1. Cream buys a fireflower tonight targeting Natirasha.
2. Alabaska makes a pill tonight and protects Natirasha.
3. a) If Nat is killed tomorrow then Ala is lying. He's scum.
3. b) If Nat isnt killed tomorrow then Ala is the doctor. We have another confirmed townie and we can catch many scum in his wagon.
4. Tajo stars Surye.
5. Proft.

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Alabaska J (6): farside22, Lord Gurgi, Natirasha, DarlaBlueEyes, Surye, mnowax
Natirasha (2): ting =), Alabaska J
ting =) (1): Riceballtail
mnowax (1): populartajo
skitzer (1): Cream147

Not voting (6): skitzer, killa seven, Gremwell, ashmite84, somestrangeflea, forbiddanlight

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[populartajo]

Give 1 coin to Cream

[populartajo]

Yeah prob Surye instead of Nat.

[populartajo]

I don't want to fireflower Surye. Can I kill poison mushroom guy?

Sure.

@Surye the problem with the star strategy is that it costs us 8 coins and it prevent us from clearing/killing another player when it would only cost us 3 to test his claim. Okay okay, we wont try his innocence with you, maybe other player.

@Ala do you have a mushroom? Please give me all your coins and keep the ones you need for a mushroom, in case you dont have one.

Give 3 coins to forbidanlight

[populartajo]

@Ala do you have a mushroom? Please give me all your coins and keep the ones you need for a mushroom, in case you dont have one.

Meh.

Would it not be more reliable for Alabaska to give you as many coins as he can (and prove he can't give any more) and try to give all the items away, then for you to give him the two coins he needs to buy the Mushroom?

Both work. The first situation could catch him lying but I dont think Ala would be dumb enough to do it. So yeah.
And yes forbiddan. Or do you have a better target?

[populartajo]

The problem with not starring Alabaska tonight is that we have to waste a lynch on him tomorrow...I really really really do not think for one second that he's town.

Cream do you realize the number of lynches doesnt matter anymore, right? We can vig him tomorrow.

[populartajo]

The problem with not starring Alabaska tonight is that we have to waste a lynch on him tomorrow...I really really really do not think for one second that he's town.

Cream do you realize the number of lynches doesnt matter anymore, right?

The fuck? Have you completely forgotten that the scum have a chance to kidnap Peach every night? The number of lynches most certainly does matter.

It doesnt matter as long as K7 isnt killed. But what I was exactly refering to was to the fact that we arent wasting a lynch tomorrow if Ala flips out scum. We could fireflower him.

[populartajo]

@ting: Notice that Im not pushing your lynch anymore. Notice that Ive realized that Nat could be a viable lynch since he isnt totally confirmed. Thats what a reread do. Ill do what the majority says. Im just giving ideas and I could be wrong.

[populartajo]

*does

Mod edit
Visible Votecount:
Alabaska J (5): farside22, Lord Gurgi, Natirasha, DarlaBlueEyes, mnowax
skitzer (3): Cream147, Surye, forbiddanlight
Natirasha (1): Alabaska J
ting =) (1): Riceballtail
mnowax (1): populartajo
Cream147 (1): ting =)

Not voting (5): skitzer, killa seven, Gremwell, ashmite84, somestrangeflea

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[populartajo]

You are really convincing me guys.
Also ting has a good point about him being a possible scum doctor.
However, I dont think any scum role would be able to produce a mushroom

unless

its a poisonous one. We know he can produce a mushroom. Maybe we can test him without killing anyone.
So either way we can test this tomorrow.
What about if we lynch either mnowax or skitzer today?

[populartajo]

if you guys are just going to kill me i ll kill myself rather.

No. Flavor claim. Please. Why a Toad should have a poisonous mushroom?

[populartajo]

on the whole topic of poisonous shrooms, K7 shouldn't use the shroom he was given, he should buy his own.

Oh hell, awesome catch. Just cause goborage/mnowax admitted their's does NOT mean that others can't have them. Good call.

WHAT?! When will I at last have the trust I deserve!

Poor Cream. No need in buying another mushroom. Just make K7 give it back to you as a

poisonous mushroom

. If the transaction fails, then he has a healthy one.

[populartajo]

on the whole topic of poisonous shrooms, K7 shouldn't use the shroom he was given, he should buy his own.

Oh hell, awesome catch. Just cause goborage/mnowax admitted their's does NOT mean that others can't have them. Good call.

WHAT?! When will I at last have the trust I deserve!

Can we honestly trust ANYONE in this game? Trusting me means you have to trust K7. Trusting Gremwell means you have to trust RBT. Trusting Pop Taj means you have to trust Surye and LG that the mushroom didn't flip alignment...seriously, it's all a web, and you really aren't in it unless I overlooked something.

Hey, did you read the part where I was revived as a Toad?

[populartajo]

on the whole topic of poisonous shrooms, K7 shouldn't use the shroom he was given, he should buy his own.

Oh hell, awesome catch. Just cause goborage/mnowax admitted their's does NOT mean that others can't have them. Good call.

WHAT?! When will I at last have the trust I deserve!

Can we honestly trust ANYONE in this game? Trusting me means you have to trust K7. Trusting Gremwell means you have to trust RBT. Trusting Pop Taj means you have to trust Surye and LG that the mushroom didn't flip alignment...seriously, it's all a web, and you really aren't in it unless I overlooked something.

Hey, did you read the part where I was revived as a Toad?

Yeah, but the mod also said you were revived on day 1 so eh.

Heh.
So what are we doing tonight?

[populartajo]

The problem with not starring Alabaska tonight is that we have to waste a lynch on him tomorrow...I really really really do not think for one second that he's town.

Cream do you realize the number of lynches doesnt matter anymore, right? We can vig him tomorrow.

I can't believe you guys are just going to test him. I can't believe you are buying his crap.

Not only is it a falible test, but if he is bowser, that would give scum an unnecissary NK oppurtunity, AND we fireflower someone who could in all likelyhood be town.

Did I mention I don't like this plan?

Kay guys you convinced me. I never said Alabaska couldn't be scum but I dont think his lynch is optimal taking in count we can test his claim in many was.
However, I can see the links (heh, I even brought them to the table)
and he's extremely related to Bowser's army. The only thing that worries me is that he sincerely pushed Korts lynch.
But hey this is a democracy.
So. We lynch him instead of killing him tonight since if he's Bowser then he's pretty much unkillable.

Unvote Vote : Alabaska J.

We fireflower mnowax tonight. Cream?
We fireflower skitzer. Forbiddan light?
We fireflower Nat. Gremwell?
Agreed?

[populartajo]

Flowervote: mnowax.
Flowervote: Nat.
Flowervote: skitzer.

[populartajo]

Forbiddan can you unvote Alabaska? I dont want the day to end yet.
@Surye and FL. Mnowax claimed Toad. Do you have an explanation of why a vanilla version of this game has a POISONOUS MUSHROOM?

[populartajo]

Surye, why did you disagree with a mnowax kill then?
Also I dont one no one hammering Alabaska until he gives all his coins to the town. Ive heard he has a lot.

[populartajo]

So I'm hitting Nat tonight, correct?

Yep. Can you give me that extra coin?
And Surye, I totally disagree. With 3 players dead we have confirmation of 3 players allignment. Therefore we know a)people that were town and that were easy targets. b)people that were scum and that have scumpartners ready to be suspected.

[populartajo]

Flowervote: Nat.

Although, if my suspicions are correct, your losing a source of major coinage.

Maybe we should let this goon live for one more day.

[populartajo]

Hey Ala, what bout if you give us your coins and your posionous mushroom?

[populartajo]

Dont know what to say of K7's last post.
How can you say that you dont want him dead but you agree with flowering him?

[populartajo]

I am still happy with my vote on alabaska. I also am a bit discouraged by the poison mushroom, and support the idea of giving it to pop, or a confirmed townie.

Long time no see. Errr, what are you talking about?

[populartajo]

Flowervote: Nat.

Although, if my suspicions are correct, your losing a source of major coinage.

Maybe we should let this goon live for one more day.

[populartajo]

The following people are refusing to give coins or dont have any. Please confirm.:
-skitzer
-Alabaska J
-DarlaBlueEyes
-ashmite84
-mnowax

[populartajo]

Gremwell how many coins do you have?

[populartajo]

Dont know what to say of K7's last post.
How can you say that you dont want him dead but you agree with flowering him?

Because if he is town and a townie flowers him he wont die.. if hes scum.. he would die.

i shoulda been more elaborate i guess.

That's a star, not a flower. A flower is a straight up vig.

I don't think flowering or staring Alaska is a good idea. Just a wild thought to throw out there, but it's possible like most games that if Alaska is Bowser he could be a GF type and immune to any of the things like detection.

Ala is the lynch, yea.

Surye Ill feather you tonight. Thoughts?

[populartajo]

Here we go.
Cream fireflowers Nat
Gremwell fireflowers mnowax
Forbiddan light fireflowers skitzer.

We lynch Alabaska. Although it would be good to take his coins.

Agreed?

Also it would be good to figure how the brothers voting work.

[populartajo]

no one has explained why i am dying tonight.

Claim please.

[populartajo]

Townie. I semi-breadcrumbed/revealed earlier, when I agreed with Cream's claim.

A) When?
B) Coins, please.
C) Do you protect Peach?
D) Night actions, please.

[populartajo]

A) It was when we were gonna lynch Cream, and farside22 understood why it was real and so did I, at least somewhat.
B) I'm pretty sure I deleted the PM, but I think I have one coin. If both these transactions go through though, I'll try another one.

Give one coin to populartajo
Give one coin to populartajo

C) Yes, in the fact that I am a townie and that is our goal.

D) Nothing, really. Started with no items.

I'm a vanilla townie, which there seems to be few of in this game.

Fail.
Skitzer is scum.

[populartajo]

Farside, why Skitzer isnt vanilla?

[populartajo]

Farside, why Skitzer isnt vanilla?

Do you want me to really say why?

Yep.

[populartajo]

I don't need any protection. Im NK inmune.

[populartajo]

Farside, why Skitzer isnt vanilla?

Do you want me to really say why?

Yep.

okay. Skitzer stated that he had only one coin and no item. As far as I can tell with the Toads it seems 1 coin and 1 mushroom was the norm.

Okay. Skitzer is scum.
And I was joking about the immunity. Im such a bad target for scum even though I have all the coins of the town.
You only have to coin claim tomorrow and the guy that has more than six coins (my coins depending of the night action) is obviously Bowser since he's the only one that can kill without coins.

[populartajo]

I also like his non-Toad vanilla claim.

[populartajo]

Hello. I am replacing in, ashmite84 I believe. I have my role and information relevant to it.

I have no idea what is happening. I will not be reading all 2618 posts to find out, either, so if someone can summarise then I will be very grateful.

Dasquian, coins and items please.
DBE, where are your coins?

[populartajo]

Ala if you're town dont worry since Ill be feathering Surye tonight.
Do you have a mushroom?

[populartajo]

Any other comments? Everybody knows what to do tonight, right?
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[populartajo]

I just know that if I were scum, I'd not give those coins, and I'd self-hammer, to shorten town conversation.

You'd be poor scum then. A less confident town would listen to this, and come to the same conclusion as you.

Also, if he's the last of his faction, this would be his last chance to appeal.

We'll know later, Surye. We'll know.

[populartajo]

So Surye was scum or not? Did he know who were his scumpartners and his win condition?
Also, Well played SSF. Peach.
Overall nicely played town.

[populartajo]

tbh skitzer had the ability to find out roles upon feathering, and he had you pegged as Peach N1. I'm interested how FL-Daisy protected Peach. Was it an automatic mechanic, or did you know Peach's identity?

Heh, I assume Daisy had the ability to be kidnapped instead of Peach, like a bodyguard.
And why did you kill TSPN if you knew SSF was Peach? You didnt have a way to deal with K7?
Why did you kill me N1?

[populartajo]

Wow we really got lucky killing the coin stealers.
Awesome game, Lawrence.
Consider me /in.
Dont forget to put that 1-UP mushroom again.

[populartajo]

Also, for those curious, I am 100% town right now, so I won too ;P

So I was partially right about you?
Damn my gut went crazy this game.

[populartajo]

For the record, I liked the vote counts at the top.

I agree.
Little known fact: I used a star on SSF yesterday (either she was Peach or a boss for the double votes) but I was going to claim that I had used a feather on Surye with a guilty result. I wanted to see the reaction to that. What would you have done, Surye?

[populartajo]

The idea about Surye's role was not so much that he would try to win with the mafia, but more that his rolename was an enemy in some sort of way, and

he needed to survive in order to win

. Claiming his rolename might result in being lynched, and making things too obvious might result in getting killed by his buddies, therefore the staying alive part was crucial to his role. I think he did an excellent job though, only heavily bussing in endgame and acting protown before that time.

Several reviewers warned me for the Lakitu role, but I kept it in anyway, and I'm glad I did it .

Yep. It was an interesting role. A little bit broken in endgame tbh but balanced for the staying alive part. I assume that the result of a feather would depend of who would own more coins atm, right?
I was just reading the word file and gd, it was a big effort. Thx for that. Hope you had fun in the backstage.

[populartajo]

I dont want to imagine what would have happened if Gimbo had gotten the Lakitu role.