Mushroom Kingdom Mafia (Game over!)

[Alabaska J]

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FOS Alabaska

, might become a vote.

Reasons? Or did you mean TSPN?

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
Cream147 (3): armlx, Phoebus, Alabaska J
TheSweatpantsNinja (3): sideney, Riceballtail, iamausername
Alabaska J (2): populartajo, farside22
skitzer (1): DragonsofSummer
farside22 (1): TheSweatpantsNinja
somestrangeflea (1): Dead Rikimaru
armlx (1): killa seven
Gimbo (1): somestrangeflea
Rogue Shenanigans (1): skitzer

No lynch (1): malthusis

Not voting (9): Surye, andersonw, Pepsidude, Cream147, FaerieLord, Celebloki, mr. incrediball, Rogue Shenanigans, Gimbo

With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch.

[armlx]

Umm, your just randomly voting Farside out of nowhere?

[iamausername]

Umm, your just randomly voting Farside out of nowhere?

That was TSPN, and it's not out of nowhere, he was voting farside for a while then switched over to SSK momentarily for whatever silly meta reason.

Which is not to say that TSPN is not a good vote. That's just not a good reason for one.

[armlx]

Umm, your just randomly voting Farside out of nowhere?

That was TSPN, and it's not out of nowhere, he was voting farside for a while then switched over to SSK momentarily for whatever silly meta reason.

Which is not to say that TSPN is not a good vote. That's just not a good reason for one.

I feel really dumb about now. I'm not even sure how I confused their two avatars to the extent that I did.

[Cream147]

Oh, please don't get into pointless semantic arguments about the meaning of vague adjectives again, Cream.

Sorry, I have a thing about being called wrong when I'm right (or indeed where I'm wrong), and I was right in this case.

Alabaska continues to amuse me by still not showing me where the half-decent case against me is. Instead he says to 'read'. I think what he may fail to understand is that what he sees as half-decent, I see as crap.

I fail to see a case on anyone at the moment and maybe that's because I'm being stupid, in fact, it probably is. I disagree with a lot of people's views (Alabaska, and TSN to name a couple) but I don't see those things as signs of scumminess. I think I'm going to have to give this game another reread.

[FaerieLord]

The farside vote? Thats what I'm talking about. Not the replacement comment.

Was referring to the replacement comment

maybe that's because I'm being stupid, in fact, it probably is.

You know, I hate such comments. They are unproductive and appeal to emotions.

[mr. incrediball]

i'm sort of inclined to agree with farside with her point on alabaska.

on the other hand, day 1 can get boring when it drags on. i suppose alabaska just wants to get to the more interesting bits.

TSPN, is mafia a player who normally talks a lot then?

[FaerieLord]

No, mafiassk is a person who rarely posts. See 584. Replaced after a couple of pages as well because "He didn't find the game interesting."

Yeah, pretty frustrating

[DragonsofSummer]

Unvote

I'm gonna reread.

[armlx]

Sorry, I have a thing about being called wrong when I'm right (or indeed where I'm wrong), and I was right in this case.

Except you are wrong.

pretty

4.

Informal[/b] Rather large in size or degree; considerable
5. To a fair extent, rather

Irrelevant parts omitted.

Now stop trying to misconstrue statements based on false technicalities.

[malthusis]

Hello, it looks like I'm replacing alvinz. I'll post after I reread.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

MafiaSSK has replaced out within a day of joining or replacing every game I've ever been in with him. Which is now three.

Basically you are saying here anyone who doesn't do the coin exchange is scum. That is like FOS'ing anyone who disagrees wouldn't you say?

If the majority of the town actually agreed to the plan, I would have a problem with holdouts, which is not the same is disagreeing with me over the plan being a good idea. Which is what you said.

[farside22]

I guess I misunderstood. Rereading it now I see that is what you meant.

[somestrangeflea]

SSF saying that he agrees with TSN that coin stuff can break the game but then saying he doesn't want to pile coins is odd. Saying you don't think TSN's strategy is a breaking one is valid, but saying it may be but not wanting to do it is shady.

Could you get quotes for this? I don't recall saying that the coin mechanic could break the game. I said that it could be manipulated by scum, and it's not as important as scumhunting, IIRC...

Yea! I'm confirmed townie

No, you're not. Here's why...

SSF also attacked Gimbo's claim, saying 1-up is not a alignment based item. SSF, it is. Revival is a very town specific action.

It's a town specific action, which means revival would be an action for a pro-town role, but, as I've already mentioned, the revival isn't part of a role, it's an item which could be completely independent of the role which holds it.

Also note, there was something he wasn't telling us about the item which gives the scum an advantage...

Though he did leave out one interesting property of the revived player... I'll give Gimbo a chance to reveal that, or tell me there's a reason he plans not too. Note: This property makes it quite useful for scum, which is why I'm curious.

...and thus it is feasible that a scum member could be given the item at the start of the game.

That said, whilst I don't agree with the confirmed-Gimbo arguement, I can see that a large number of other players would. So

Unvote

, for now.

What is rubbing me wrong with TSN is that he FOS's anyone that disagrees with him.

This I agree with. TSN, you've suggested the coin claiming, people have agreed, people have disagreed, you've provided your counter-arguments against those people, which is all well and good, but it's posts like this...

In another news, I don't see nearly enough coin-claiming.

...pushing the issue with no new reasoning, evidence, or prompting, which bug me.

That's absolutely right. And people know that you're always telling the truth now, so all opinions and comments you make are valid.

Bear in mind that "valid" =/= "correct", "accurate", "logical", "sensible", etc.

With 20 people to investigate you have a 1 out of 5 chance of finding scum with 4 players looking.

This is true, if there is one scum in the group of 20 players, and one scum only. 1/20 (odds of investigating the scum), * 4 (number of investigators) = 4/20 = 1 in 5 (your number).

Think of a hypothetical situation with 2 scum in that group of 20. The odds of one player investigating a scum is 2/20, or 1/10. Now, since there are four investigators, you multiply that probability by 4, giving a 4 in 10 chance, or 3 in 5.

See how the numbers change with more/less scum in the group being investigated? This is the point which iamausername and some other players were trying to get at. Also, see this post from Cream.

[armlx]

It's a town specific action, which means revival would be an action for a pro-town role, but, as I've already mentioned, the revival isn't part of a role, it's an item which could be completely independent of the role which holds it.

He started with the item, its basically his role.

On the breaking thing

We could, you know, play Mafia. You seem to be focussing on the coins as though they are the sole factor that will make or break the game. They're like powers in any other game: They're useful if we've got them, but we shouldn't be relying on them. Vigs, Cops and Bulletproofs (powers which we can buy) exist in many other games, but they don't serve as a replacement for standard scumhunting.

I missed our first line about it being abusable however. That sorta justifies this, but still, breaking the game is good, and you just completely ignoring thinking about that mechanic is pretty anti-progress.

[Alabaska J]

Can we get some kind of consensus here? I see a lot of random votes still clogging up the votecount. Let me see if I can get this straight. Actual cases have been made (and followed up by votes by multiple people) against (in alphabetical order):

Alabaska J
Cream147

Gimbo

farside22
RogueShenanigans
TheSweatPantsNinja


We are obviously not lynching Gimbo today, which is why he is crossed out. These seem to be, at the moment, the people various members of the town feel to be scum for actual posted reasons (whether the reasons suck or are wrong is irrelevant). Any additions or does this seem to be the list of the likeliest to get lynched today so far?

Also,

mod prod: FaerieLord, killa seven, Dead Rikimaru, sideney, populartajo, Pepsidude, andersonw, and Gimbo

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[Alabaska J]

EBWOP: scratch FL from the list; he's active.

[Celebloki]

Checking in, I will be doing a re-read on this game and get some kind of analysis goin on. I have been unable to post in any of my games recently. Be back with a better post sometime this weekend after a re-read.

[Gimbo]

somestrangeflea. Since you are still questionign my alignment, think of it this way. finding even a single scum is hard enough in mafia games, why would a scum be given an item that could potentially allow them to revive a dead player. ... okay that sounds WIFOM, but you get the idea.

The thing with the 1-UP is that it has an ambiguous alignment to it, and I think that is why this item is made. Since items are meant to be transferred between players in this game, it only make sense that the 'shroom be given a property that makes it dangerous instead of helpful if it is in the wrong hands, this makes it a much more interesting item.

@Alabaska, I also agree that some sort of consenus needs to be made on our prime targets, everyone who voted semi-randomly and not seriously should withdraw and we should all try to focus our votes on a couple of the most suspicious.

[sideney]

I need a long re-read before to post.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

...pushing the issue with no new reasoning, evidence, or prompting, which bug me.

Eh, I'm just trying to keep it on the table. I feel like mostly people have ceased to actually engage me on the issue, just say "not interested" and move on.

[Lawrencelot]

killa seven, Dead Rikimaru, sideney, populartajo and Pepsidude have been prodded. People not responding to a prod (can be done by pm or in thread) take the risk of being replaced without warning.

Giving andersonw the chance to read up before prodding him.

[populartajo]

Still here, will do a reread.

[Phoebus]

Let's just lynch Cream instead.

[killa seven]

im here, having internet issues.
ill re read the last 2 pages.