Mini 589: SSBB Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

Anatole Kuragin · Post Post #450 (ISO) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:13 pm

Sorry about the spamming, but now that I think about it.

He has no real explanation for either his vote or night action.

Gorrad · Post Post #451 (ISO) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:19 pm

Sure I do. In my experience, one-shot vigs die really early, and you disagree. Fonz disagrees too, and that's not precisely making me feel good about him either, but you stand out.

Xdaamno · Post Post #452 (ISO) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:31 pm

Votecount

andersonw: 2

(iamausername, goborage)

Gorrad: 2

(Lawrencelot, Anatole Kuragin)

Anatole Kuragin: 1

(Gorrad)

Not Voting: 4

(pickemgenius, Dean Harper, dahill1, andersonw)

Player List: pickemgenius, Lawrencelot, Anatole Kuragin, Dean Harper, dahill1, goborage, andersonw, iamausername, Gorrad.

Five (5) to lynch.

The Fonz · Post Post #453 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:34 am

Gorrad wrote:Sure I do. In my experience, one-shot vigs die really early, and you disagree. Fonz disagrees too, and that's not precisely making me feel good about him either, but you stand out.

In my experience, doctors and investigative roles die early. You disagree, and that doesn't make me feel good about you...

seriously, the CONFIRMED TOWN disagrees with you, and that makes you suspicious of him rather than thinking you might be wrong?

iamausername · Post Post #454 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:56 am

Gorrad wrote:Sure I do. In my experience, one-shot vigs die really early, and you disagree. Fonz disagrees too, and that's not precisely making me feel good about him either, but you stand out.

Gorrad, everybody disagrees with you, because you're wrong.

dahill1 wrote:ok trying to get some discussion going. username i'm not sure if you already answered this but what do you think of your predecessor's behavior (JamesthePhox) at the end of day 1?

I've sort of avoided discussing my predecessor's actions so far, because they were pretty dumb in places, especially this post. Apart from that, he didn't really contribute much of note. So basically, if I'd replaced someone else, I could make the same case against JTP as I originally made against anderson. But I like to think that my actions D2 have made up for JTP's D1 more than anderson's actions D2 have made up for his D1.

anderson has been improving lately now that he's being pressed, but I think the fact that we had to wait for that to get anything out of him, combined with his going for the easy target still makes him a good lynch candidate.

andersonw wrote:But still, the main reason for me thinking Gorrad is scum because of his night choice, and now he's bringing in more WIFOM about his choice.

I agree with The Fonz on why the first point is not a good reason for finding him scummy, because Gorrad's claimed night action only makes sense if he honestly believes it was a good choice as town, which makes it a null tell. His latest "I definitely would have done this as scum" WIFOM does give me pause, though.

Gorrad · Post Post #455 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:12 am

Right, Fonz is confirmed. Yeah, I spaced on that.

Lawrencelot · Post Post #456 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:17 am

I think I'm losing track of this game. Can gob or iamausername tell me what the case on andersonw is?

iamausername · Post Post #457 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:52 am

Lawrencelot wrote:I think I'm losing track of this game. Can gob or iamausername tell me what the case on andersonw is?

He lurked through the whole of D1, and made a post towards the end of the day expressing support for the SSK wagon, when it was pretty clear that that lynch was going to go through which looks a lot like distancing to me. He hasn't done any scumhunting without being specifically prompted to do so, and he's going after Gorrad today in a way that feels like he's just picking the easy target.

goborage · Post Post #458 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:36 am

Summary of cases:

Gorrad: Protected a vig over a doc or cop. Thinks he made the right move.

andersonw: "He lurked through the whole of D1, and made a post towards the end of the day expressing support for the SSK wagon, when it was pretty clear that that lynch was going to go through which looks a lot like distancing to me. He hasn't done any scumhunting without being specifically prompted to do so, and he's going after Gorrad today in a way that feels like he's just picking the easy target."

AK: D1 - seems more concerned about personal survival than the good of the town. ...that's all I can think of. Care to fill me in Gorad?

@ everyone: Am I missing anything?

dahill1 · Post Post #459 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:24 am

ok, i'm satisfied with the response from username, which was admitting to the scummy things JtP did instead of trying to defend them. i'm starting to see how AK is less scummy now. i think he's still somewhat anti-town, but not necessarily scum. between the cases of gorrad and andersonw, gorrad's could be either protecting a scumbuddy or just his own personal opinion. IMO, anderson's is the better case as his actions were linked to (or should i say avoiding) the SSK wagon until the very end when he was sure to be lynched.

vote andersonw

Gorrad · Post Post #460 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:13 pm

I like IAAU's post too, that's a solid case.

Unvote, Vote: andersonw

, L-1. Unless Fonz cares to respond to 440-441, I'll be vigging AK tonight.

goborage · Post Post #461 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:37 pm

Gorrad wrote:I like IAAU's post too, that's a solid case.
Unvote, Vote: andersonw
, L-1. Unless Fonz cares to respond to 440-441, I'll be vigging AK tonight.

Way to jump on a BW. Just to clarify: why is AK so scummy?

Gorrad · Post Post #462 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:41 pm

Really, I'm mostly just being stubborn. Not exactly the best play on my part, but I just plain old don't like his going against my nightchoice like he is. I stand by my decision.

andersonw · Post Post #463 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:53 pm

dahill1 wrote:between the cases of gorrad and andersonw, gorrad's could be either protecting a scumbuddy or just his own personal opinion. IMO, anderson's is the better case as his actions were linked to (or should i say avoiding) the SSK wagon until the very end when he was sure to be lynched.

vote andersonw

I already explained before why I didn't vote for SSK, and I really did think he was scummy, as was also explained before.
And also, it could be Gorrad claiming to use his doc ability so he won't be pressured by the town to use it again.

@iamausername: could you respond to post 407?

And now, Gorrad's last few posts seem very scummy to me, especially saying that he will use his 1-shot vig ability and even admitting that it is "Not exactly the best play on my part". If AK is town, then it could easily lead to a town loss, considering that there could be 2 more kills tonight.

dahill1 · Post Post #464 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:56 pm

it didn't help that you hadn't even mentioned him previous to that

Anatole Kuragin · Post Post #465 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:35 pm

Wow, way to be a sore sport, Gorrad.

Lawrencelot · Post Post #466 (ISO) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:41 pm

Gorrad's chances of being town: still dropping...

The Fonz · Post Post #467 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:20 am

The Fonz wrote:
Lawrencelot wrote:
The Fonz wrote: I don't believe AK is scum, because of what happened with SSK yesterday.
Could you elaborate on this?
Sure. My suspicion was raised in the first place because of SSK's opportunistic AK wagon-hopping. Scum don't tend to opportunistically jump on one another. Also note SSK's desperate attempts late in the day to divert attention to, yes, AK.

The Fonz · Post Post #468 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:12 am

Oh, and in case anyone hammers before i get on again:

Gorrad, you are roleblocking tonight. That's ROLEBLOCKING, mkay?

Gorrad · Post Post #469 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:59 am

I see both your points and will consider them apropriately.

pickemgenius · Post Post #470 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:55 pm

fuck

im here

pickemgenius · Post Post #471 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:58 pm

andersonw wrote:
I already explained before why I didn't vote for SSK, and I really did think he was scummy, as was also explained before.

hmmmmmmm

that is all.

sorry ive been so useless.

good news is we put in application for a house!!!

/dance party

iamausername · Post Post #472 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:41 am

andersonw wrote:@iamausername: could you respond to post 407?

I'm not sure what there is for me to respond to that I haven't already.

andersonw · Post Post #473 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:53 am

andersonw wrote: Well, the fact is, I was prodded, and I had to post. There's nothing I can do right now to change it. And my "excuse" for not posting content wasn't I was prodded, but was "I didn't have anything new to discuss because I couldn't really see anything very interesting, and I'm not very good at thinking or bringing topics up. "

For your question, I think Gorrad is pretty suspicious, especially since he protected a 1-shot vig over a tracker or a doctor, and if he was SK, he could just to have claimed to use it since it would be useless to him, and no one could ask him to protect someone later in the game. The above also goes if he is mafia, just not as strongly. I'll have to think about this.

What about these two parts? I know that The Fonz has already responded to the first part and has shown that it is not that strong, but could you respond to them anyways?

The Fonz · Post Post #474 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:35 am

Your second point makes sense, actually, but the odd protection choice still only really makes sense if Gorrad thought it was a reasonable sounding protection choice.

I don't want this game to peter out, and will be hammering by the end of the weekend in the absence of any major revelations in that time. Anyone got anything important to say, hop to it.