armlx wrote:SSF saying that he agrees with TSN that coin stuff can break the game but then saying he doesn't want to pile coins is odd. Saying you don't think TSN's strategy is a breaking one is valid, but saying it may be but not wanting to do it is shady.
Could you get quotes for this? I don't recall saying that the coin mechanic could break the game. I said that it could be manipulated by scum, and it's not as important as scumhunting, IIRC...
Gimbo wrote:Yea! I'm confirmed townie
No, you're not. Here's why...
armlx wrote:SSF also attacked Gimbo's claim, saying 1-up is not a alignment based item. SSF, it is. Revival is a very town specific action.
It's a town specific action, which means revival would be an action for a pro-town role, but, as I've already mentioned, the revival isn't part of a role, it's an item which could be completely independent of the role which holds it.
Also note, there was something he wasn't telling us about the item which gives the scum an advantage...
Surye wrote:Though he did leave out one interesting property of the revived player... I'll give Gimbo a chance to reveal that, or tell me there's a reason he plans not too. Note: This property makes it quite useful for scum, which is why I'm curious.
...and thus it is feasible that a scum member could be given the item at the start of the game.
That said, whilst I don't agree with the confirmed-Gimbo arguement, I can see that a large number of other players would. So
Unvote
, for now.
farside wrote:What is rubbing me wrong with TSN is that he FOS's anyone that disagrees with him.
This I agree with. TSN, you've suggested the coin claiming, people have agreed, people have disagreed, you've provided your counter-arguments against those people, which is all well and good, but it's posts like this...
TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:In another news, I don't see nearly enough coin-claiming.
...pushing the issue with no new reasoning, evidence, or prompting, which bug me.
Cream wrote:That's absolutely right. And people know that you're always telling the truth now, so all opinions and comments you make are valid.
Bear in mind that "valid" =/= "correct", "accurate", "logical", "sensible", etc.
farside wrote:With 20 people to investigate you have a 1 out of 5 chance of finding scum with 4 players looking.
This is true, if there is one scum in the group of 20 players, and one scum only. 1/20 (odds of investigating the scum), * 4 (number of investigators) = 4/20 = 1 in 5 (your number).
Think of a hypothetical situation with 2 scum in that group of 20. The odds of one player investigating a scum is 2/20, or 1/10. Now, since there are four investigators, you multiply that probability by 4, giving a 4 in 10 chance, or 3 in 5.
See how the numbers change with more/less scum in the group being investigated? This is the point which iamausername and some other players were trying to get at. Also, see
this post from Cream.