imaginality
StrangerCoug
Kenfucius
Litral
Wumbo
nhat
chenhsi
maxwellhouse
That was your reason for your vote in the first place!? xPDark wingstalker wrote:Oh, always wondered what that meant. Well, I wasn't counting when I voted, my mistake.StrangerCoug wrote: Lynch minus one. That means that, unless somebody unvotes, the next vote on that person kills him or her.
I see its at l-1 again, and i'm not 100% sure wumbo is scum, i just wanted to rattle his cage abit, sounvote
i don't think anyone ever claimed chenhsi scum. or wumbo really at this point either. we just wanted to pressure vote so they would talk.dark wingstalker wrote:Out of chenhsi and wumbo, wumbo's certainly coming off the scummier.
This seems very very worrying. Not counting? So you didn't know if you might already be lynching him with your vote, but were happy to throw it on anyhow?Dark wingstalker wrote:Oh, always wondered what that meant. Well, I wasn't counting when I voted, my mistake.StrangerCoug wrote: Lynch minus one. That means that, unless somebody unvotes, the next vote on that person kills him or her.
The newbie card. Nice.Dark wingstalker wrote:Well, it was 7 to lynch, and i thought mine was the fifth vote. People were voting both Chenhsi and Wumbo, and I thought wumbo looked scummier. I didnt think he was scum, so I thought it would get him to talk more, without having to hang him.
Then i unvoted when i realised that a member of the mafia could hammer his bandwagon easily, Which they didnt do. So if/when you lynch me and i turn up clean, you should look at the people already on Wumbo's bandwagon.
I'd notch it up to forum inexperience, i'm used to play epic mafia, and irc mafia, where its alot easier to keep track of votes. I apolagise, I'll pay more attention in future.
Tee Eye Double Guh Err, that spells JOKER. Wait, uhh...StrangerCoug wrote:The only thing remotely close to a tiger that I see is Tom.
In the last sentence above, you make it sound like:Dark wingstalker wrote:Well, it was 7 to lynch, and i thought mine was the fifth vote. People were voting both Chenhsi and Wumbo, and I thought wumbo looked scummier. I didnt think he was scum, so I thought it would get him to talk more, without having to hang him.
Then i unvoted when i realised that a member of the mafia could hammer his bandwagon easily, Which they didnt do.
Isn't it better to see for yourself who he is trying to protect? If suspicion is to be based on this, then at least equal suspicion should be given to the lurkers at that time, which you didn't seem to identify.nhat wrote:Who are you trying to protect?maxwellhouse wrote:
but lurking isn't always necessarily a mafia thing to do. sometimes you just don't know what to say.
FoS - maxwellhouse
Lurking is bad as it denies the town information. Sure, all the mafia can fake town, but there's always a difference between how genuine they are. I think there is much to talk about.chenhsi wrote:Ok, I am saying something now...
Sorry, kind of forgot that this was here...
So currently, from what I understand, the current argument is around lurking? I don't really have anything to contribute about lurking, me not being experienced enough to know whether that is good or bad...
There isn't much to talk about is there?
Why the tunnel vision?Dark wingstalker wrote:Out of chenhsi and wumbo, wumbo's certainly coming off the scummier.
Its day one however, I cant say that lurking because there isnt anything to talk about is really a great offence. But he's coming off scummy, so chances are i'll vote if he doesnt come up with a decent defence in the next say.. 12 hours or so.
imaginality wrote:Information doesn't particularly help the town if it means people claiming vanilla townie when there are only a couple of votes on them, to help the mafia narrow down who the power roles are.Wumbo wrote:my aforementioned status is that way because even if I die, the town still has a chance to win. Information is also crucial for them to win.
Information in the way of posts discussing, challenging, arguing, making a case against someone, pointing out noteworthy reactions, etc. and so on, is useful, but for someone who (rightly) claims 'information is crucial for [town] to win', you weren't exactly contributing much along those lines earlier.
Also, I'm slightly intrigued by your phrasing: "...even if I die, the town still has a chance to win. Information is also crucial forthemto win," (my highlight) rather than "...forusto win."
hammering and mafia just dones't work anymore. just too obviousDark wingstalker wrote:
Then i unvoted when i realised that a member of the mafia could hammer his bandwagon easily, Which they didnt do. So if/when you lynch me and i turn up clean, you should look at the people already on Wumbo's bandwagon.
nhat wrote:You said this and did nothing in terms of serious business. I'm okay hopping on this wagon.Wumbo wrote:Indeed I do.
unvote: Tombtw. Lulz phase over, serious business now.
unvote
vote - wumbo
yeah, you had great reasons...well, i dont think they were that great, more oppotunisticnhat wrote:unvoteWe wanted pressure, you wanted to make an easy lynch.
vote - dark wingstalker
It was hardly out of the blue. It followed this exchange:Litral wrote:IGMEOY. A sudden discussion of theory seems to be avoiding the issue of whether to lynch Wumbo or not, or whether to look at any of the people who voted him, and it seems to be rather out of the blue if we take it in context. Your vote was on Wumbo at that time. Slightly bad feeling about this.imaginality wrote: Information doesn't particularly help the town if it means people claiming vanilla townie when there are only a couple of votes on them, to help the mafia narrow down who the power roles are.
Information in the way of posts discussing, challenging, arguing, making a case against someone, pointing out noteworthy reactions, etc. and so on, is useful, but for someone who (rightly) claims 'information is crucial for [town] to win', you weren't exactly contributing much along those lines earlier.
Dark wingstalker wrote:and if you are a vanilla townie, why claim it so damn early?
I was pointing out that early claims don't help town, and that Wumbo hadn't contributed much other information at that point, to question Wumbo's comments quoted above. While my post was perhaps slightly indirect, it was supporting my vote on Wumbo.Wumbo wrote:And dark wingstalker, my aforementioned status is that way because even if I die, the town still has a chance to win. Information is also crucial for them to win.
nhat wrote:^^^^^^Except you just cut out like 7/8ths of my explanation for dark wingstalker's vote. What's up with that?
ok, thats the whole quote. the bit about what happened in another game i didnt think was important to include. i only included the last line because i thought it was cheap of you to say that about dark when i felt you were looking for one yourselfnhat wrote:unvote
vote - dark wingstalker
Certainly Wumbo's inaction after his serious business comment rubbed me the wrong way, and the bandwagon developed from there, but wingstalker, was it really called for to put him at L-1? I played in a game where a townie hammered himself just because, and that was wack. Why risk it? And the "I'm gonna give you 12 hours to respond" ultimatum is lousy for an L-1 vote. In my experience, people who do this can just say that the response was insufficient, knowing good and well that they've decided beforehand to vote for the person. We wanted pressure, you wanted to make an easy lynch.
This is basically what happened, However, I was unawares what constituted "Claim or die", as where I usually play, on another forums, Claim or dies are being thrown around from about 3 to lynch. and when I was informed what L-1 was, it all clicked into place, and I unvoted.imaginality wrote: In the last sentence above, you make it sound like:
(a) you realised your mistake quickly
(b) you unvoted Wumbo when he was at L-1
Again, i didnt have computer access, and when I got around to checking the computer and saw what l-1 constitued, I quickly unvoted. Regrettably, I'm an EU player and i work shifts, so sometimes it can be up to 24 hours before i get a chance to sit at a PC.Imaginality wrote:The timeline suggests otherwise:
You didn't unvote Wumbo until 10 hours after nhat already unvoted Wumbo and challenged you over your vote, by which time 15 hours and 27 posts had gone by since you voted him.
Dark wingstalker wrote:Then i unvoted when i realised that a member of the mafia could hammer his bandwagon easily, Which they didnt do.
when in fact, geraintm had already unvoted (post 119) so Wumbo was at L-2. So your reason for unvoting can't have been because you realised Wumbo was at L-1, since heDark wingstalker wrote:when I was informed what L-1 was, it all clicked into place, and I unvoted.