Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

Titus · Post Post #3850 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:46 am

In post 3842, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3721, Titus wrote:
In post 25, Baezu wrote:
Votecount 1.01With 13 players, it takes 7 to lynch

Vorkuta (5) L-2 ~
Vorkuta PenguinPower, NaCl, benhalkum, RCEnigma

Hoptic (1) ~
Gamma Emerald

benhalkum (1) ~
Hoptic

Not Voting (6) ~
Unstuck in time, Platinum Phoenix, tris, NorwegianboyEE, Beta Sapphire, ceejayvinoya

Mod Notes
NaCl is V/LA on 8/31 and 9/1

The day will end in (expired on 2019-09-13 07:03:00)

It was the third vote. Scum don't do the second vote. Changing facts doesn't work.
???

Are you seriously suggesting that the second vote on any wagon is always town?

Hell no. I'm stating scum don't draw attention to each other in RVS.

Eddie Cane · Post Post #3851 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:47 am

page #22

Titus is just IC. Lol.

I don't think on this page SS-Pops feels remotely like theater.

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #3852 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:49 am

In post 3263, Eddie Cane wrote:viewtopic.php?t=81126&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

This is conveniently a game NaCl was scum with Pops, if anybody wants to compare.

@NaCl, can you please link one of your towngames for me? Thanks.

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #3853 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:51 am

In post 3265, NaCl wrote:
In post 3169, unwnd wrote:I would still like #3026 answered by someone? Anyone? Perhaps

NaCL wrote:Yeah, I feel the same way. I don't really like the way unwnd was going around on his teammates and lying about it, it seems like a really weird reaction to say they they first refused to give help and then that he didn't really want it. I don't see why he wouldn't just say that from the start.

Also, I feel really ignored about Hectic. To me it really feels like he and Pops have been soft-defending each other for most of the time, not really putting firm stances on each other but acting in ways to quietly defend the other. Does anyone else see this?
I want your read on me from a standpoint of our last game played, out of curiosity.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by it but tell me if you meant something other than this.

I think you looked way townier in Assassins. You were more open with giving opinions on people specifically compared to here where you've been more quiet. I also don't know if you've caught up on the game and why your team isn't helping you or why you lied about it in the first place. Your tone of your response in 2500 feels much more like what I'd have expected you to say rather than lying about your reasons or your teams reasons for not catching you up. But you just don't feel the same kind of person as you were there, you feel more guarded her whereas you were blunter there. I don't really know how to describe it.

I've got a couple questions about your team.
1. Which person on your team invited you into Team Mafia to replace Krazy?
2. Does your team know your alignment and role PM?

In post 3192, Eddie Cane wrote:Okay well the actual game I want to see is tiered reads lists from everyone, could I get one please piss? I consider you a good player, which is why some of your play concerns me. And Amrun's reasons for town reading you are fair, but i think apply less because of your experience.
Town (most towny to least towny): DDL > Eddie > S_S > Amrun > Bob > ND
Null: Okapoka, Titus
Scum (most scummy to least scummy): Hectic > Elsa > Unwnd > Pisskop

Among the nulls I'm feeling pretty good on Okapoka but he's just not there yet, I still don't understand Titus.
I'm really fine with lynching anyone in my scumpool but that's the order that I find it most likely.

How is Hectic still your #1 sr?

Eddie Cane · Post Post #3854 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:54 am

Spoiler: raw possible teams

Spoiler: Teams I am currently considering

I am only part way done rereading, so more teams will probably be removed from the list. In terms of my super strong town, I'm 99% on Titus town, 94% on Amrun, and 92% on Nancy. So they are just not on the list period. Independently though, rereading I am feeling better about Hectic and SS town I think.

Titus · Post Post #3855 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:03 am

Spoiler: Teams I am considering

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #3856 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:03 am

In post 3274, Hectic wrote:@NaCl: Is there any reason for not putting your vote down for the entirety of the end of Day 1?

Pissy being antagonistic to Eddie recently is pinging me. There's no reason to aggravate an IC as scum, so I think Pissy's trying to project himself as an annoyed townie who's doing that? Idk, it felt like abrasiveness out of nothing to me.

What also majorly pinged me was Piss pushing you as scum, when Pine kill is so blatantly obvious a frame and now We see that NaCl still had you as his top sr even after that.

And when I brought up scum trying to frame Flubber similarly in YGM, Piss immediately shut that down but comparing different games, allowed me to correctly quickhammer scum!Shos in Penguin, so I know that’s an extremely reliable analysis tool.

OkaPoka · Post Post #3857 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:18 am

eddie are you blocking an elsa lynch

Eddie Cane · Post Post #3858 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:20 am

Titus · Post Post #3859 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:22 am

I should add Pisskop - Bob too

NaCl · Post Post #3860 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:07 am

In post 3852, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3263, Eddie Cane wrote:viewtopic.php?t=81126&f=23&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

This is conveniently a game NaCl was scum with Pops, if anybody wants to compare.
@NaCl, can you please link one of your towngames for me? Thanks.

This is my most recent towngame: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81537

In post 3853, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
How is Hectic still your #1 sr?

He might not be my top SR anymore, I'm still thinking. I've said my issue before, that he was soft-defending Pops without actually putting very much effort into it later on as Pops got closer and closer to a lynch, despite calling her his top TR. It doesn't feel like the sort of behaviour someone would take regarding the person that they think is the towniest person in the game. The entire time he was soft-defending her, and only soft defending her.

OkaPoka · Post Post #3861 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:53 pm

going to wait for a vc but id swap my vote here if there was a vc

Eddie Cane · Post Post #3862 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:13 pm

To who?

Eddie Cane · Post Post #3863 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:14 pm

In post 3860, NaCl wrote:This is my most recent towngame: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81537

If you had linked this game I would have locked you as town

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #3864 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:17 pm

In post 3848, Titus wrote:@Nancy, I don't ignore charisma. I just value it less than hard data. I'm much easier to manipulate and more vulnerable to group think and are than that. There's a reason town is better at themes. Charisma is just a popularity contest.

There's a decent chance you're town but I detest you're on every single counter wagon to pops EXCEPT NaCl.

How is it scummy for me to have been tr them? But now realizing that both came into the day having Hectic as a top sr, is making me question it, especially if unwind/Krazy is town.

No, it’s a helluva a lot more than “decent”. You - for whatever reasons - are simply choosing to ignore the obvious.

OkaPoka · Post Post #3865 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:18 pm

In post 3862, Eddie Cane wrote:To who?

whatever has a prettier wagon behind it

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #3866 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:20 pm

In post 3850, Titus wrote:
In post 3842, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3721, Titus wrote:
In post 25, Baezu wrote:
Votecount 1.01With 13 players, it takes 7 to lynch

Vorkuta (5) L-2 ~
Vorkuta PenguinPower, NaCl, benhalkum, RCEnigma

Hoptic (1) ~
Gamma Emerald

benhalkum (1) ~
Hoptic

Not Voting (6) ~
Unstuck in time, Platinum Phoenix, tris, NorwegianboyEE, Beta Sapphire, ceejayvinoya

Mod Notes
NaCl is V/LA on 8/31 and 9/1

The day will end in (expired on 2019-09-13 07:03:00)

It was the third vote. Scum don't do the second vote. Changing facts doesn't work.
???

Are you seriously suggesting that the second vote on any wagon is always town?
Hell no. I'm stating scum don't draw attention to each other in RVS.

Not in my experience. I’ve seen tons of games where scum did it to distance. Just ask Amrun about Shos/eth0s in Penguin for example. I think it’s NAI and dependant on the scumteam but definitely never a reason to outrule scum distancing.

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #3867 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:22 pm

In post 3863, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3860, NaCl wrote:This is my most recent towngame: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81537
If you had linked this game I would have locked you as town

Are you townlocking NaCl?

Titus · Post Post #3868 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:30 pm

In post 3864, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No, it’s a helluva a lot more than “decent”. You - for whatever reasons - are simply choosing to ignore the obvious.

You have been absolutely insulting, manipulative and demeaning to me and my teammates to this game and expect a townread, knowing that I judge people based on how their actions benefit town or scum. (Well you should know that given meta.)

You're acting a lot like my soon to be her husband and throwing a tantrum when you aren't getting exactly what you want from me*. It's exhausting to deal with and it makes me doubt you. It also makes me not want to try to sort you independently given any attempt to do so is met with an entitled "it's obvious" or something along the lines of you suck or your methods suck.

I can work with you because you're probably town but not out of my PoE. That's literally the best I can do with you riling me up and pushing my buttons this much.

*I hate to bring that up, as I don't think you're a devil like he is. I think you're a great person. I just want you to understand my mindset and how your attitude is counterproductive to get what you want.

Hectic · Post Post #3869 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:34 pm

If there's one good thing that's come out of these Titus-Nancy squabbles, it's the fact it's made me like Titus a lot more.

Titus · Post Post #3870 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:35 pm

In post 3869, Hectic wrote:If there's one good thing that's come out of these Titus-Nancy squabbles, it's the fact it's made me like Titus a lot more.

Thank you. I like you too. *hugs for all*

Eddie Cane · Post Post #3871 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:36 pm

In post 3867, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 3863, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 3860, NaCl wrote:This is my most recent towngame: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81537
If you had linked this game I would have locked you as town
Are you townlocking NaCl?

Nah. My lock town are Amrun, Titus, Nancy. My strong town are SS, Hectic, though both have been worse today. Past that I'm pretty amenable. But I do think you are being a bit of a dick to Titus.

OkaPoka · Post Post #3872 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:13 pm

eddie you dont love me ? ;-;

Eddie Cane · Post Post #3873 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:14 pm

I love u, u just had a good scum game the only time we've played. You're in the I dont have to deal with because I'll be dead by the time people discuss you pile

Nancy Drew 39 · Post Post #3874 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:14 pm

In post 3868, Titus wrote:
In post 3864, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No, it’s a helluva a lot more than “decent”. You - for whatever reasons - are simply choosing to ignore the obvious.
You have been absolutely insulting, manipulative and demeaning to me and my teammates to this game and expect a townread, knowing that I judge people based on how their actions benefit town or scum. (Well you should know that given meta.)

You're acting a lot like my soon to be her husband and throwing a tantrum when you aren't getting exactly what you want from me*. It's exhausting to deal with and it makes me doubt you. It also makes me not want to try to sort you independently given any attempt to do so is met with an entitled "it's obvious" or something along the lines of you suck or your methods suck.

I can work with you because you're probably town but not out of my PoE. That's literally the best I can do with you riling me up and pushing my buttons this much.

*I hate to bring that up, as I don't think you're a devil like he is. I think you're a great person. I just want you to understand my mindset and how your attitude is counterproductive to get what you want.

A) I’m still sore about D1. B) You requesting I work with you, while still sr me. C) I am super obvious town and you’re not seeing that is exasperating me. D) RL things. E) No “tantrum” and I very much resent that categorization. I don’t like not being believed, especially by someone I’d expect by now to read me a lot better. F) I’m reminding you of your ex who you despise but you think I’m a “great” person? I’m really not sure how to react to this?

I’m sorry, if anything I said is making you feel bad. That was definitely not my intention.