Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Trojan Horses]

Elmo Teh Azn, Ellitell

what does this mean?

Cross game activity tell

[Trojan Horses]

I'm against ending the day till NSG can form a few more reads and says it's OK to end the day.

[We are not helping]

can someone do an unofficial vc for me? I will give them chocolate.

~fire

[northsidegal]

{nsg}
{gobble}
{bbmolla}
{mastina, amrun, wonderwall, ddl}
{jjh, elmo}

wonder if i got it in one

[BBmolla]

I cannot believe the mastina lynch isn't happening

her reads are straight up from a different game

What is she at?

I have scumreads on Amrun/farside, nsg, and Wonderwall

[We are not helping]

I'm against ending the day till NSG can form a few more reads and says it's OK to end the day.

umm no.

U can fuck off with that. We are ending day as soon as possible.

~fire

[BBmolla]

Elmo Teh Azn, Ellitell

what does this mean?

Cross game activity tell

Sorry can you elaborate? What does it mean? Town/Scum?

I've never heard of it is it a tell Ellibereth made

[Trojan Horses]

U can fuck off with that. We are ending day as soon as possible.

And gain what from it?

[Trojan Horses]

Sorry can you elaborate? What does it mean? Town/Scum?

Lurk out in the game you're scum in but play others

[northsidegal]

Elmo Teh Azn, Ellitell

what does this mean?

Cross game activity tell

Sorry can you elaborate? What does it mean? Town/Scum?

I've never heard of it is it a tell Ellibereth made

the idea is that if someone is playing in another game while ignoring this game, they are scum in this game. it was what people were saying about me a while back, and it could be said about elmo at the moment.

[BBmolla]

Why not... vote her

Because that will cause an explosion of posts and I don’t think that’s good for the game right now

Is this for real why you're not voting her Gob

[SirCakez]

Cakez is on Vecna with me I thought.

I am along with WANH and Shuichi. Vecna is at L-1.
Either TH, Baezu, Lie Ren or GIF has to hammer

[We are not helping]

U can fuck off with that. We are ending day as soon as possible.

And gain what from it?

me not going v/la from the remainder of the game!

what a nice present of having me here. amirite or wut

~fire

[RadiantCowbells]

Fire vote Vecna Jormun then

[BBmolla]

Elmo Teh Azn, Ellitell

what does this mean?

Cross game activity tell

Sorry can you elaborate? What does it mean? Town/Scum?

I've never heard of it is it a tell Ellibereth made

the idea is that if someone is playing in another game while ignoring this game, they are scum in this game. it was what people were saying about me a while back, and it could be said about elmo at the moment.

Got it thank you

[mastina]

Mastina can't still be calling NSG scum or she needs to die.

I absolutely can, for the reason I mentioned.
If NSG does something, even in a passive way, then she would be town.
So far, NSG has continued to be active in not doing anything. She's posting, but she's not doing. There's no real continuity in her posts, there's no real followthrough to be had in her posting one thing at one time and her posting again at a later time. When I see that continuity, sure, yes, she can be town but right now the idea of townreading nsg is pretty laughable.

In fact, hey, why not ask that to nsg herself.

northsidegal:

being honest with yourself, do you think you have made actions that warrant being widely townread in this game yet?

[farside]

I actually caught that from my read as well. I noted and asked her about her reads not changing.

Which reads of hers do you think should have changed?

I'm wondering why you keep defending her or sticking up for her. It burns something instead my gut that leaves a bad taste.....but I digress.
Lurkers
She is voting for mostly lurkers and went after wonderwall. Town her would push the fuck out of someone she believed was scum with every fiber. I'm trying to remember her last scum game I was in, but too many years and too much meta I don't feel like going through for that research.
personally I'm torn because I'm going off old memories and seeing her like this is almost reading as flailing around.

Curious why mastina voted wonderwall over nsg.

Because I only have one vote for three scumreads in my game and I can't vote for a scumread in the other game.

I can apply pressure to multiple slots at once, including yours (nothing you've done has struck me as town and quite the opposite this feels like lurkser-scum-farside rather than the hyperposting town farside that I remember).

I can only vote one at a time.

A lack of a vote doesn't mean a lack of a scumread, it just means that I can't vote all of my scumreads.

i think baezu is town

If mastina thinks RC is scum why is she not pushing on that read of a player that is actiive and can be engaged with over a player that isi mostly MIA?'

Because...

I don't believe you. But say what you want.

I think your play this game is more likely to come from you as scum than town, and yet it should be stupidly obvious why pushing you in spite of having that belief would be a waste of time. (Namely because if you're town you're dead via nightkill before D3, and also because if you're town you'll give me something that I'll read as town eventually. Plus, would add a lot of noise which is something that I don't see any way of it not being disastrous for the gamestate's health.)

I do agree with the statement that if Mastina is scum vs an NSG AND RC town team her MO has to be to corral people who support her and shade RC/NSG in order to have any chance.

There is value to be had in paragons being alive, if they are town--but they wouldn't be paragons if they were rattled, if they were shaken, by an incorrect scumread on their slot. They wouldn't be paragons if someone incorrectly scumreading them threw them off their beat, threw them off their kilter, kept them from putting in a paragon-level performance.

And there is value to be had in paragons being alive, if they are town--but if they

aren't

town, then why the fuck would I fear pushing scum just off of the value of "what if they're town", given the above? Given that being erroneously scumread shouldn't rattle, shouldn't shake, a paragon winner, there's no reason not to state a scumread on one.

Granted, I have reasonably good reasons to not push the read on RC. He's not in my game so I can't even vote him; there's enough scumspects in his game that given only two of them are scum there's a fair chance that he is town; fighting with RC on D1 is unproductive because even if he is scum he's not getting lynched D1; if RC is town then the scum will nightkill him eventually anyway. All these make it so that I don't really have interest in pushing RC, but that sure as fuck won't stop me from stating a scumread there.

Curious why mastina voted wonderwall over nsg.

Because I only have one vote for three scumreads in my game and I can't vote for a scumread in the other game.

I can apply pressure to multiple slots at once.

I can only vote one at a time.

A lack of a vote doesn't mean a lack of a scumread, it just means that I can't vote all of my scumreads.

^Of this.
Between those three quotes, you should have sufficient enough of an answer.

Mastina viewtopic.php?p=11715110#p11715110 Don't your reads change as the game goes on?

My reads change when they have reason to change--and you can look at this game and

see

my reads

have

changed.
I have changed my reads on Trojan Horses, sorta-jjh (where I really really really

really

don't

want

to change the read, where I really fucking want to trust my original past-me's assessment but it is increasingly hard for me to do so), sorta-your slot where I've gone back and forth on it being town and scum,

technically

Shuichi (not really, but strictly speaking was listed as a townread originally before Ceph posted), Lie Ren, Vecna, and adjusted reads on both Baezu and SirCakez.

My reads change when they have good fucking reason to change.
The players not listed above? We Are Not Helping, RC, Turkey, nsg, Molla, Wonderwall? (Not listed, Elmo or NM/DDL who this doesn't apply to.) They've got DAMN fucking good reasons to have stayed as scum/townreads. (Elmo and NM/DDL? Not so much, I admit that, but like. They're massive piles of mostly null so why not keep the read in a game which feels like it can be solved by poe.)

And why is RC a scum read at that point?

Because everything RadiantCowbells has done this game has been furthering a scum agenda and been incredibly manipulative with zero genuine thoughts, no real scumhunting, no true passion, involved. The closest he's gotten is, after realizing that trying to repeatedly discredit me won't work to dissuade me, his OMGUS push on me.

Do you really think this game will have a day 3 with 2 lynches going on and a White Flag vibe going on?
As for posting more, well my life has mellowed me out over the years. I only get pissy when I think people are cheating, other then that I just more chill about things. I also said I was waiting for responses from 2 people in the game.

I've given up on trying to engage mastina btw

Is that the only reason you're trying to get Vecna lynched right now?
Can you scum case him?

No I've been SRing him for a while you know that...I just wasn't aware a wagon had reformed.
I don't like to make cases; I feel my reasons for SRing him have been made clear.

P-edit: that meta is really old. Farside has admitted she is not playing the same way anymore no?

I didn't say I was playing different then I did. I just am.
Well expect I'm still stubberly listening to my gut. I want to vote mastina because her posting just reads desperate but I have this pause in my that sits in my soul to sit on JJT.

[We are not helping]

VOTE: Vecna

i thought we were on vecna

~fire

[northsidegal]

RC, you don't want to wait for GIF to get a chance to post?

[SirCakez]

Elmo is a universal scumread I think
That tree can be chopped later
LET ME POST

[Trojan Horses]

me not going v/la from the remainder of the game!

what a nice present of having me here. amirite or wut

So what would change for you when Vecna flips, that you wouldnt go VLA?

[BBmolla]

Game moving so fast nobody will notice that I sleep naked

[farside]

bleck I hate mastina vote
VOTE: unvote
fuck
VOTE: mastina

[We are not helping]

RC, you don't want to wait for GIF to get a chance to post?

gif is 100% gonna flake on this game.

me not going v/la from the remainder of the game!

what a nice present of having me here. amirite or wut

So what would change for you when Vecna flips, that you wouldnt go VLA?

progression

[gobbledygook]

Wait did Mastina hammer JJh?