Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[mastina]

As scum, the mindset behind a fake hammer is to earn some quick cheap instant towncred; get people to townread you who weren't before, and increase the strength of existing townreads on your slot--sounds like a pretty good deal, doesn't it?

It doesn't prevent other town from using that information, though, and NSG could've easily faked "analyzing the reactions".

And what information have others used from it?
And, is it that easy for her to fake analyzing the reactions? Is it? I don't think it is. If it was easy, then regardless of nsg's alignment I'd have expected to see them. That there haven't been analysis of reactions from her shows that, regardless of her current alignment, it's not easy for her to fake as scum.

[SirCakez]

I wonder if mastina is hammered and we aren't aware because of lack of vc haha

[RadiantCowbells]

Wait did Mastina hammer JJh

[farside]

Wait did Mastina hammer JJh?

I don't know, I'll check it out.
give me 10 minutes

[SirCakez]

No jjh only has 2 or 3 votes on them

[Trojan Horses]

progression

And you won't get progression from jjh, Elmo, GIF posting and NSG working towards a solve?

[We are not helping]

progression

And you won't get progression from jjh, Elmo, GIF posting and NSG working towards a solve?

u are correct.

[northsidegal]

northsidegal: being honest with yourself, do you think you have made actions that warrant being widely townread in this game yet?

yes.

RC, you don't want to wait for GIF to get a chance to post?

gif is 100% gonna flake on this game.

maybe. i'd still like to give him a chance.

you might call this an ill-formulated and baseless gamestate read (i probably would), but i get the sense that scum is inactive in christmas specifically. for halloween, however, unless you take the scumteam as exactly {GiF, Gamma}, they're probably not inactive. so i think it might be interesting to see how the people in halloween try to influence the christmas lynch. (of course, that's all very general, perhaps to the point of being useless. just something i was thinking about and felt like bringing up)

[Trojan Horses]

I'm wondering why you keep defending her or sticking up for her. It burns something instead my gut that leaves a bad taste.....but I digress.

I also want to gain more insight into why you think what you do. But I also think Mastina is town. I'm sorry that it leaves a bad taste?

[mastina]

Can we like lynch/push jjh?

I really don't want to.
But as per my vote.
You can see my answer there.

I can't in good faith continue to hold onto the hope that past-me was right on that read.
When jjh is doing shit like he's done.
I want to.
I really want to trust my past self.
But no. I can't. I just can't. He's acting like scum and while I realize many people in my game are acting like scum and they can't all be scum.
His scum acts are just on a level of egregious most of the others aren't.

So I can't say no anymore even though I want to so, so desperately.

[Trojan Horses]

progression

And you won't get progression from jjh, Elmo, GIF posting and NSG working towards a solve?

u are correct.

Then you are wrong

[RadiantCowbells]

RC, you don't want to wait for GIF to get a chance to post?

In an ideal world yes

But if I just let the game continue going either I have to fight continually for days and days to keep town going the right way and prevent the VecnaStina block from pushing lynches on town or let it happen and let town get lynched. I would rather lynch my scumreads before I am ready to commit than either be forced to put hours and hours into this game or have my townreads or myself lynched.

[gobbledygook]

I wonder if Wonderwell are going to vote Mastina now

[We are not helping]

progression

And you won't get progression from jjh, Elmo, GIF posting and NSG working towards a solve?

u are correct.

Then you are wrong

ive never been wrong except for when i have.

So there!

~fire

[mastina]

Mastina you realize you're alienating everyone with your posting style right now, right?

Not until they've already alienated themselves from me.

[RadiantCowbells]

NSG you get to be inactive and not have shitty lynches pushed because I'm dedicating my time to preventing shitty lynches from being pushed. If you were more actively shepherding the thread then I would be able to not be fighting constantly and not have bad lynches pushed but that's not what's been happening here.

[BBmolla]

I'm more than great with a mastina lynch if we wanna head back that way

[RadiantCowbells]

No one did anything to you Mastina and you're sitting here throwing a tantrum pretending that you're 2015 me abusing everyone until they do what you want.

[RadiantCowbells]

No one did anything to you Mastina and you're sitting here throwing a tantrum pretending that you're 2015 me abusing everyone until they do what you want.

[northsidegal]

That there haven't been analysis of reactions from her shows that, regardless of her current alignment, it's not easy for her to fake as scum.

for the record, regardless of my thoughts on the conclusion of "faking that analysis would or wouldn't be easy for me as scum", this doesn't seem like a valid logical analysis. you say regardless of my current alignment, but if i'm currently town then i fail to see how my lack of whatever you expect as an analysis has any bearing on my ability as scum.

RC, you don't want to wait for GIF to get a chance to post?

In an ideal world yes

But if I just let the game continue going either I have to fight continually for days and days to keep town going the right way and prevent the VecnaStina block from pushing lynches on town or let it happen and let town get lynched. I would rather lynch my scumreads before I am ready to commit than either be forced to put hours and hours into this game or have my townreads or myself lynched.

i understand your reticence to have to spend that much effort fighting but also given how important i feel winning on day 1 is i can't really agree with such a hasty lynch.

[Trojan Horses]

Baezu/Lie Ren, please don't hammer Vecna.

[We are not helping]

I'm more than great with a mastina lynch if we wanna head back that way

i support this position.

~fire

[mastina]

Why do you post about nsg, but vote for wonderwall? Like why are you not pushing harder on your scum read? I didn't disagree with you about her doing nothing with her fake hammer but the vote change makes no sense at all coming from you.

I will acknowledge that regardless of whether my read here is right on this being scum nsg,

we're not getting an actual lynch on her today

due to people insisting "but it must've been from a town nsg!!!".

^Tell me farside.
Do you approve of vanity voting?
Because voting nsg would be a vanity vote--a vote that couldn't lead to a lynch and would be out there doing nothing.
A vote on Wonderwall can lead to a lynch.
I will vote any scumread who I think can be lynched.
If I don't think they can be lynched, though, that's no reason to drop the scumread. It still warrants mentioning.

[Trojan Horses]

i understand your reticence to have to spend that much effort fighting but also given how important i feel winning on day 1 is i can't really agree with such a hasty lynch.

Not just that! I'm afraid the NK can be cross game and you die as a result.

[SirCakez]

Baezu/Lie Ren, please don't hammer Vecna.

Who is your alternative?

The only vote on mastina right now is farside FYI I just checked