Well, hello everyone. I am going to be replacing AK and... Kristop, I believe it was. I'm a semi-experienced player, if any of the new players have a question about that I will answer it.
No, I am not the doctor. But I do come with a list of my read through from earlier yesterday.
First, I would like to ask Mirth how it feels to be a Shepard. Because you have a mighty big flock following you right now.
I would like to point out these posts of players, starting with Mirth then progressing through the order of posts.
Mirth wrote:Malex McJokeus wrote:Mirth wrote:Why believe me so easily? I could just as well be scum, know there is no roleblocker, and claim doc because the only real town powerrole was killed.
When you say things like this right after role claiming it makes me concerned. It is entirely possible that you are trying to pull the wool over our eyes. I quite frankly don't know what to believe. Also, for someone who kept saying how you wanted to have to upper hand for as long as possible, was this really the appropriate time to put all of your cards on the table? Or could it be another way to keep the upper hand?
Completely possible, yes. But I pretty much needed to claim. Though I must say, if I were smart scum who knew there was no doctor, I'd have waited a bit closer to endgame to avoid the WIFOM for surviving.
What pressure on you made you realize you had to vote? You had no votes on you, during my re-read I didn't even see a crumb from you. Why was it absolutely necessary for you to claim?
Mirth wrote:Battousai wrote:
Let's see, there could be a chance Mirth is scum (thus I would have been roleblocked and then Farside killed. Or it could be the fact that NONE of the IC's were scum, thus they could only effect 2 of the 3 of us. What your saying is that YOU thought FARSIDE was scummier than I was, thus Farside should have been kept alive instead of myself.
I don't like your statement. You think I'm scummy, because I'm alive and not Farside.
Except that there is no chance of that and you gain scum points for even suggesting it. If I am scum, then there is no doctor, thus there is also no roleblocker, thus you could not have been roleblocked. And you should know that.
I don't understand how if he made the mistake of saying 'I could have been roleblocked' when obviously in that scenario there wouldn't be a role blocker would mean that he's scum.
Mirth wrote:mercdaemon wrote:Mirth wrote:
Except that there is no chance of that and you gain scum points for even suggesting it. If I am scum, then there is no doctor, thus there is also no roleblocker, thus you could not have been roleblocked. And you should know that.
If you are scum, you could be partnered with a roleblocker and would know that you are. I haven't seen anything in the play that would remove that possibility.
The "strategy" of "killing off ICs" was suggested by Batt back in post 410. If we're to go with your version of events do you believe that scum-Batt would have brought this up?
If I was scum and my partner was the roleblocker, then I couldn't claim doctor. Because we have a cop. That means there is either only the cop *or* both the doctor and the roleblocker too. If I was scum then there'd be a real doctor around to counterclaim me. None of you have so far and Kristopfs replacement wont, I can assure you. (If he does, lynch us both, doctor for scum is a good trade)
Batto, I got what you were saying, but how you made your point bothers me. Your specific example. You don't get scum points for suggesting that I'm scum, you get scum points for suggesting you were roleblocked, because if I'm lying, there would be no roleblocker.
Thank you for explain to us what you would have done us doctor. Also, I disagree that doctor is a good trade for scum.
Gremwell wrote:Mirth wrote:Why are you only appearing after he FOSed you?
because I just sat down at the computer
This is a good example of bad posting and I do not like it one bit.
mercdaemon wrote:Battousai wrote:In all honesty, I was only going to FOS Malex, then I noticed Grem didn't vote since then either. Must have missed Merc as well.
FOS: Merc
I find it amusing that you FOS me only after Mirth tells you to do so. Can you give the court your reasoning why you think I'm suspicious? I've already stated my opinion that Mirth's reasoning behind thinking I'm scum is flimsy approaching non-existent, but all she wants to do is keep going with the "I think Merc is scum line". Got anything else yourself?
If Battousai wasn't suspicious of you himself, he wouldn't have FoSed you. It's apparent that he is weary of Mirth's claim thus he wouldn't let himself get pushed around by him.
Bat, if you are getting pushed around by Mirth then shame on you.
Malex McJokeus wrote:Battousai - After doing a read through of day 2 looking for reasons of your suspicion I have found that most of the things you have said can be read into as scummy. If it is read with an assumption of your scummyness, there is seeming to me to be more of a strong case . Keep in mind I am also reading this believing Mirth's Doctor claim.
Starting from post 415 it seems most apparent to me.
Battousai wrote:Mod: Has Kristoph picked up the prod or are you looking for a replacement?
I
think
that Mirth is refering to why Farside was killed over me and her. If I was newb scum I would have killed Mirth first, unless she was my partner, and then probably Farside, as a Battousai lynch would probably be easier than a Farside at that point.
Mirth then brings up the idea of the doctor and Batto responds:
Battousai wrote:As I could not find any tells, the only way they would have known there to be a doctor or a cop is if there are two goons and no roleblocker.
You have been a member for over six months and you don't know the format of the game? Again this next post shows my point.
Mirth wrote:Battousai wrote:If they had a roleblocker, then they wouldn't know for sure if there was a town power role. That is why I did not include it.
But they'd darn sure be considering it and act as if there were two of them just in case. Or do you not agree with me here?
Post 428
Battousai wrote:Activity has been dwindling, I would like more people to contribute. The convo me and Mirth is having isn't really scumhunting, so I think it's best we move on from that.
When the conversation continues, you dismiss that there is a Role Blocker again.
I meant the fact of RB using their ability or whether or not there is a RB, that's extraneous
This reads to me that not only are you scum, but you are the role-blocker.
After Mirth's claim your next post is really defensive for seemingly no reason. Especially considering that no one was voting for you at the time. You then FoS the presumed Doctor and Super-FoS Zeal before changing to a vote your next post. You then end up FoSing everyone for the most part. Good way to draw attention away from yourself following that back and forth. I just find most of these posts questionable.
With all I have said I am leading towards a vote, but I still find it a bit premature. Just read through Day 2 looking at what Battosai is saying, and I think you may agree with me that if nothing else, those posts do seem to be the posts of someone trying to keep attention away from himself, and for that I have to ask why.
I do not buy this argument for one bit.
If I say there is not doctor and continually dismiss the idea of a doctor being present in this game then must I be the doctor? According to that kind of logic, I am. And that's a bad argument to make, in my opinion. Exploring the possibility that Mirth is lying is an acceptable play in my book. You should NEVER just believe a claim. EVER. You should always be questioning and looking for slips from
everyone
, Mirth included.
[That is ENTIRELY HYPOTHETICAL.]
The possibility of there being no doctor and there being no roleblocker is 50-50. I don't like that you call Mirth the 'presumed' doctor. I would have much preferred Claimed or something of the sort. Presumed to me says that you aren't that suspicious of him at all and you should be suspicious of
everyone.
Mirth wrote:Batto, then why not frame you with Grem?
Why I think Merc is scummy:
post 2 he says that maybe TSQ picked up on something with me. Game barely started. Nothing to pick up on. This rings false. (as does the thinking I'm dangerous part)
6: starting the TSQ attack
11: sounds like trying to sit on both sides of the fence in regards to TSQ
12: suggests TSQ has a strategy
14, 16: tries to connect Batto to TSQ (this connection doesn't really exist as I was defending him a lot more)
18: afraid id call him on parroting again
23: continues to think Farside is scum without any real reason
28: suggests i'm scum in a very subtle manner. (the subtlety here is what bothers me, because it appears to leave room for backtracking.)
2: Easily a Townie mistake. Could be pushing for TSQ to explain his reasoning.
6: TSQ attack was reasonable. No one knew that Status was the cop and the lurking plus more horrible play is reason enough for that wagon.
11: People can often change their minds about a case, I'm sure I could point out instances where you have.
12: Flawed play, I agree.
14,16: See above.
18: Being called on parroting is a scum-tell, for me this reason if fifty-fifty. He could be avoiding that to form his own opinions or he could be scum moving away from your flock.
23: Easy newbie move, that said learn from your mistakes Merc. Null tell for me.
28: Why subtly say it? [See below after the influx of posts]
Bat's post 493 on Page 20 to me is a good post. [Too long to quote here.]
Battousai wrote:Mirth- The action that I FoS'd him for can not be taken away by posting more (I was suspicious of him for being gone at a CERTAIN time). From his recent posts, he has gotten scummier to me.
Explain the CERTAIN time and why it makes Malex suspicious.
That said, I will say that Mirth is well within the top three of my scum list.
Without being able to confirm/deny the existence of a role blocker, we will never know for sure that Mirth is the doctor unless she is killed during the night or lynched.
The timing of the claim felt off and I really felt like she's had the newer players following her the entire game while making attempts to keep them aware that they should be a suspicious of her. [A possible set-up for a WIFOM argument later.]
I also felt that the lynch of Mega was because she voted Mirth. The flock looked at someone who was doing something that they thought was wrong because they all had pegged Mirth for town and bam! Mega is swinging as soon as she replaces in.
So excuse the EXTREMELY long post everybody and thank you for letting me join your game. But now it is time for the questions.
@Everyone except Bat and Mirth; Do you believe Mirth's claim and why?
@Bat,
Explain the CERTAIN time and why it makes Malex suspicious. [Posted twice, but this is the question section as it were.]
@ Malex, What do you think of my interpretation of your reasoning?
@Zeal, In your own words, explain the cases of anyone you are suspicious of at the moment.
@The Newer players, Do you feel that you've been following Mirth to closely? Be honest and learn from your mistakes. [DON'T ANSWER THIS QUESTION IN THE THREAD, just think about it. If you were to answer, scum would undoubtedly use it against you.]
@Grem, Who are you suspicious of and why?