In post 199, Battle Mage wrote: In post 73, Elsa Jay wrote:Sorry I'm a little late here folks.
Took a mental break from the site for 2 days.
Hope I'm still in this game, which I assume I am since in being voted.
Black: Apology for being late - not really necessary, but not meaningful in itself.
Red: Excuse for being late, referenced "from the site" to imply NAI here - more unnecessary explanation for absence, and a bit overdefensive (as if pre-occupied with the prospect of getting shade for this).
Green: "Hope I'm still in this game" - obvious he is still in the game, otherwise he wouldnt be posting. why say this? not real talk, just a 'tail between legs' performance.
In post 90, Elsa Jay wrote:I'm trying to find a place in this game
tbh
. I feel like this group doesn't need a comic relief so I'm not doing that, but...
Honestly
I'm looking at this 8p and realize 2 mis-word pendings and we lose.
So I'm thinking hard RN, but mainly I feel like following another's lead. So.
If you vote me for being an open follower be my guest,
but
I just think I'll get better results not mucking up this game with my usual style.
Micros are Weird.
Despite previous apology for not being here and relief(?) at not being cut, when you might expect next posts to be catching up and contributing, instead it's just excuses for struggling to engage. It's a short game, moving slowly - I don't buy for a second that Elsa-town would be incapable of making something happen here, or at least keeping up with the limited content on offer. With only 8 players, game may not go long - even a novice who frequently sheeps in larger games would conclude sheeping is a poor strategy here, especially with no good reason. 2 "honestly" scumtells, in bold above. It doesn't feel like Elsa wants to play here, and that his main objective is quite clearly survival, rather than trying to contribute to lynching scum. Classic lazy-scum. Other highlights:
Red: Over-defensive again. Why is Elsa-town so obsessively pre-occupied with trying to avoid getting votes? Quite clear from the way this is worded that Elsa feels like that being an "open" follower should buy him some towncred - as if being shameless about it makes it more excusable.
Blue: Definitely uncomfortable with the game, but why? Why would Elsa, who is an experienced and competent player, be so completely unable to engage with a game this straightforward? I could understand simply lurking, but by being honest, it seems like Elsa has played himself out of the hand. Being honest about being scummy isn't town indicative, especially when it's being used as an attempt to garner pity - it's scum indicative. This feels entirely like scum who isn't quite sure how to approach the game. Town-Elsa wouldn't be so inhibited and frankly, nervous.
Green: the very principle of following someone else, despite clearly having put some thought into the game, doesn't sit right. At best, it's anti-town behaviour, and not something I'd expect from Elsa-town. Looks to just be an excuse to ride someone's coattails and not pretend to scumhunt (which is undue effort for scum, and paramount MO for town).
Italics: Implies Elsa expects to reap benefits at some point later in the game. But how does Elsa know he will be alive later in the game?
In post 93, Elsa Jay wrote:
Eh.
I think Beeboy jumped on the gone slot too soon, particularly as someone who didn't see my VLA message or status, and probably also knows I really like playing scum.
Might've been VLA but... Still feels weird to pick me out of the crowd.
"eh"?? - was Elsa really not expecting to answer any questions? This from Raya isn't particularly taxing, which is perhaps telling in itself. Only thought is OMGUS against Beeboy. Not a good justification - it's always good practice for town to pressure quiet people early in smaller games, because scum can feasibly see a route to victory through lurking. Again, the thrust of his post above is giving excuses for himself, rather than talking about Beeboy or anyone else. He prematurely asserts here, in his own defense, that he isn't scum because he would be more engaged as scum. Self-meta never great, especially when unprovoked, and I know this self-meta to be inaccurate, as I've played with Elsa-town and seen him much more engaged than this. And Elsa-town is a more sophisticated scumhunter than this lame effort. Also throws up the VLA defence again - even more unnecessary than last time - nobody would be lynching Elsa today because he was VLA for 2 days. Way too defensive.
In post 106, Elsa Jay wrote:Jester you still haven't found an icon for yourself? The white box makes me eanna glance over you.
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In post 111, Elsa Jay wrote:If I was that easy I wouldn't have my title now would I?
But continue and realize after I die, not only do you not get associations, but you only get one mislynch here. Make it count.
this is Elsa's response to my original vote. Interesting that he again confidently asserts that there's only 1 mislynch, although this is not open setup - implies he has knowledge of number of scum.
I've split response into 2 parts, red and blue again:
Red: Claims he wouldn't be scum because it would be too easy, as if that is meant to convince me - presumably because he knows he's been very scummy here, or else is paranoid about his own scumminess. Either way, it's vindication of my suspicion, and makes me question why others haven't jumped on this.
Blue: Is that a threat? or a guilt-trip? No value in it either way, as there's no actual reason here to make me think he's town. Odd claim that with his lynch I'd get no associations - that's something I can't imagine town saying, because as town, do you really worry about associations!? It seems like quite a candid take that Elsa is intentionally not interacting properly here to avoid implicating their scumbuddy. The appeal to emotion here is an escalation of the previous over-defensive behaviour, Elsa has 1 or 2 votes at this point, with near unanimity (5/7) required to lynch - the defeatist vibe still seems like overkill to me.
In post 125, Elsa Jay wrote:To Raya: I'm not being vocal for multiple reasons I guess.
1 is that I
legit
forgot I signed up for this game and came in with my dress off, so to say. So I came in at a disadvantage.
2 is that I'm not 100% in my mind RN so I'm taking it slow to get back into things. I do wanna help, just... I'm working on it.
3 is... More I guess I don't have someone to bounce off of yet.
More excuses for not posting. Let's break them down!
1. The game is like 8 pages or something? Not sure what it was at this point. But it's hardly an insurmountable amount of content to get to grips with and catch up, especially given PRETTY MUCH NOTHING HAPPENED! The attempt to garner sympathy here is pretty transparent, and I'm surprised anyone bought it. Also, this reason is different to the earlier excuses for not posting (taking a 2 day break from the site). Use of word "legit" here, is in similar camp to the "honestly" tells as an old-school classic scumslip. Why would we assume you didn't "legit" forget you signed up to the game? Again, overly defensive.
2. I don't have much to say on this, but I would observe that Elsa has been perfectly able to post with reasonable frequency, and has responded when he is under pressure.
3. I'm not sure how Elsa expects to ever get anyone to "bounce off" with his attitude, particularly in the preceding post, of not liking it when people ask him easy questions. Nobody is buying this one - assume it's just here because 3 is a good number of points to have, and there weren't any more "legit" excuses.
In post 135, Elsa Jay wrote: In post 132, Battle Mage wrote:I'm baffled at anyone suggesting Elsa looks town here. Baffled!
My vote ain't moving.
Well your attitude of only having 1 lynch target isn't very townie either now is it?
OMGUS against me now. Implies my suspicion of him is scum-indicative; unsubstantiated and untrue. It's tetchy, and obviously affected, but still not enough to wake Elsa from his slumber.
In post 147, Elsa Jay wrote:I was telling you an out of game opinion. I like it when people pick nice avis. Let's me see their personalities.
The first in a series of non-game-related junk, to boost the post count.
In post 149, Elsa Jay wrote:Well I made sure to use my previous nickname of you to show I recognized you.
Battle Mage not having an icon is a statement in itself. You having a white box? What's the symbolism?
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In post 151, Elsa Jay wrote:That I'm still mad at you for that one time you abandoned a game Bambi signed up for when she was excited for it.
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In post 161, Elsa Jay wrote:
Why must you have that cursed icon... Spider-Man has traumatized me.
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Quite clear that all Elsa cares about here is not being suspected himself. No attempt to engage beyond the "I'm not scum doe".
In post 177, Elsa Jay wrote:Not to agree with Spider-Man but if there's a no exe it becomes a 5-2 with the knowledge scum used to kill someone night one.
It also garuntees the PRs get 2 nights to act instead of just 1 which puts is in instant MyLo
Supporting (note, not leading) an anti-town push for a no-execution on Day 1. It's closed setup, day start. Very rare that No-execution is going to benefit town more than scum here. Given town may have protective role(s), this is not the right play, and Elsa is bright enough to know that.
In post 179, Elsa Jay wrote:So your saying follow meta, kill me, watch PR get NKed, then exe the second wrong person and lose?
as above, pushing pro-scum strategy, piggybacking off somebody else.
In post 196, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean it as in all the Spider-Man x Elsa shit on the internet.
I'm traumatized in the meme way not the serious way. Keep your icon bro.
Are you seriously suggesting you want to do naughty things with Spidey?
More non-game-related junk.
And that is literally all of Elsa's posts.
