In post 765, Menalque wrote:NSG, what happens if the remaining slots that need to be filled haven't filled by the time deadline comes round? could we get a freeze on the deadline or something until those slots are filled?
Sorry I meant Fredericks on Titus.In post 767, Almost50 wrote:I must be getting dumber by the minute, but I can't tell if by "the Titus vote" you're referring to hers on Ydrasse or Fredrick's on her.In post 766, RCEnigma wrote:I like the Titus vote tbh.
That does not appear to be the wagon like, at all.In post 732, Snowblaze wrote:Cool, still not dead.
Scattered thoughts:
I’m not liking how much of my wagon is just “let’s follow Menalque, he’s the only one with an actual strong opinion”.
I feel like it's not uncommon for there to be an instinct for scum, especially new-ish scum, to want to try and not rock the boat and be very cautious so as not to stand out. I don't see that as particularly difficult to imagine. And once pushed she has offered some more reads.In post 734, Ydrasse wrote:fmpov it's like... continuing to offer non-commital reads is a very overtly scummy thing to do? you're refusing to take a stance and if snowblaze were scum i'd imagine she'd try to scrounge up something of a solidified scumread on something. despite not being able to start a new wagon — which i think a snowblaze of either alignment recognizes would not pan out — i guess i just see it as a place where it would be of more benefit to vaguely scumread someone instead of saying "this person is towny, i lean towny on this person" over and over and push herself into a place where she votesIn post 718, Menalque wrote:@ydrasse I just don’t really get why those things make her not scummy. Like if pressure leads to content production but it’s a struggle for scum!snow to come up with realistic scumreads, why would that not manifest as coming up with more detailed but still very non-commital reads?
Also, the self-preserving thing is super null in a situation like this. If I’m town then I’m gonna vote for self-pres even if I think the three person is town because, hey, I might be wrong about them but I know what my role PM is. If I’m scum I’m gonna vote them cause I don’t wanna die. And do you really think snow has enough traction in this game to lead a wagon on anyone new here? Besides which, she doesn’t even have a scumresd to lead said wagon ononlyout of self preservation.
i recognize that self-preservation is relatively NAI, but it's the fact that she hasn't come up with that scumread yet that makes me townread her more than mohab whose content is well. yeah.
given that we're getting a replacement though for mohab, hopefully it'll be easier to parse that slot. right now though i'm mohab > snow tho.
There is meta involved in part.In post 784, Montosh wrote:Can someone explain the Titus wagon. It seems to have been prompted by their late Ydrasse vote?
There isn't any basis for this but this post isn't necessarily alignment indicative. It does make sense , especially fmpov , and would point towards snow!scum over Mohab. My issue is that it completely disregards that I could be scum this game which would likely make Snow the town counterwagon piloted by partners throwing pressure away from me, the grouping there would be something like me + A50, Holden or me +A50, menalque.In post 681, Titus wrote:No pressure. Love the competing wagons. I suspect S v T given the harsh nature of lynching scum against them.
Can someone sub up the reasons for each wagon?
I could see Fred omgussing off this post but I'll let him speak on it if he wants. This is the meta part, Titus uses VCA heavily so if nothing else this post feels obligatory. Scum!Titus flipping would probably mean she's playing towards the crowd familiar with her. It could come from either alignment so it isn't damning but there isn't any follow up or process being shared to support the fos.In post 697, Titus wrote:Looking at the VCs alone, I postulate a snow Frederick Ydrasse team.
This is possibly an after thought, she would have to play some kind of devil's advocate to appear like the VCA statement is leading to a solve. I could be blowing smoke and I don't think timestamps will make this more firm as an accusation but I'll check for the sake of it.In post 698, Titus wrote:I'll do one for Mohab!scum in a bit.
It's already been stated why this is a weird vote and I think Umlaut articulated it best. There isn't a reason to fish wagons outside of the leading 2 when you think 1 of them is scum.
Tomorrow has arrived. Although the dynamics have changed a bit with the Titus wagon now. I've added the events since I made the above post to the quote.In post 751, Snowblaze wrote:Umlaut:
- says he "doesn't hate" my wagon in 591;
- decides to instead start the Mohab wagon in 596 and advocates her elimination.
- switches to Titus based on the Ydrasse vote.
Fredrick:
- votes me based on Holden's post in 522;
- switches to Mohab in 608 based on an earlier post;
- switches off-wagon to Ydrasse in 714
- starts Titus wagon in 763
Something_Smart:
- votes for me on Menalque's request in 671;
- unvotes in 739;
- declares he's okay with Mohab dying but not with eliminating an empty slot in 741
Eevee:
- Eva head votes for me in 533 based on Holden's post;
- Eve head switches to RCE in 547;
- Eve claims not to mind my wagon in 568;
- Eve votes for Mohab in 622;
- both heads proceed to scumread Mohab and push the wagon; Eve finds me townier
Menalque has... made his stance pretty clear, he wants me dead. Doesn't particularly mind the Mohab elimination of itself, but thinks it's a counterwagon to scum!me. He does then switch to Titus based on the Ydrasse vote.
RCEnigma:
- votes for me in 599
- unvotes to see my analysis
- revotes on Menalque's request
Montosh, having caught up, continues his predecessor's stance of advocating my death.
Titus has yet to give a firm stance, although 697 implies she thinks I'm more likely to be scum than Mohab. She votes for Ydrasse, because "why not?"
Ydrasse:
- votes me in 552
- encourages me to produce analysis
- switches to Mohab in 658
- argues that I could be town
Raya36:
- townreads parts of my content
- doesn't want me eliminated
- joins Mohab wagon despite a push on Eevee earlier
Almost50
- votes me in 570
- doesn't really care which of me/Mohab is eliminated.
I'm running out of time, so I'm afraid this post will have to be blatant IIOA. I'll analyse the information tomorrow.
I wasn't.In post 789, RCEnigma wrote:...I could see Fred omgussing off this post but I'll let him speak on it if he wants. This is the meta part, Titus uses VCA heavily so if nothing else this post feels obligatory. Scum!Titus flipping would probably mean she's playing towards the crowd familiar with her. It could come from either alignment so it isn't damning but there isn't any follow up or process being shared to support the fos.In post 697, Titus wrote:Looking at the VCs alone, I postulate a snow Frederick Ydrasse team.
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Exactly.In post 792, Snowblaze wrote:So if it’s not OMGUS, what made you vote for Titus? Her vote for the same person you were voting for at the time?
Yup. No impact on gamestate...In post 789, RCEnigma wrote:Besides that I think the biggest thing is that Titus repping in has had no impact on the gamestate. People are still content with the wagons that were leading and the only addition is shifty play out of Titus drawing attention there as well.
I was testing Fredrick Ydrasse Snowblaze.In post 797, Almost50 wrote:Since you are here. can you please tell us what your VCA assuming mohab is Scum revealed to you? I want to know why you voted ydrasse over the two leading wagons at the time.