In post 1197, Almost50 wrote: In post 1180, Ydrasse wrote:- why did you change your vote from mena to me?
- can you give like, idk. even just a general quick rundown of the other nonconfirmed players so we can see where your head is at a bit more clearly beyond the defensive?
Ok, let me restate my stance for one last time: I -personally- believe the elimination pool should be between you, me and Menalque. Now let's disregard my "TMI" of my slot's alignment for a minute. ANY
spectator
of the game would put me and Menalque as the only two options today. BUT, Titus says Menalque is Town and it's you & me (and regardless of your alignment you know that ism't the case, so -at least- we can agree on that). So, me/Menalque from my own PoV (as a spectator with no spoilers) or you (based on Titus VCA, which I ignored the last game and managed to lose her that game)
As for the rest: RCE is TOWN. Raya is 95% Town. Montosh & S_S have a few things going in their favour and other things that could point to them being scum. In other words, neither of them is outside their scumrange, but neither is actually scummy enough.
Out in another format:
TOWN
RCE
Raya
Montosh/S_S
Ydrasse
Menalque
SCUM
(and I've taken the liberty of removing my own name because this is MY read list, so I should factor in my own knowledge, but feel free to replace me with you from your PoV)
The thing is we only need ONE MORE SCUM ELIMINATION to win. So, I have 3 options:
1- Eliminate in you/Menalque and actually hit scum = Game Over! I don't need to look for the third scum
2- Eliminate in you/Menalque and they flip green = I'd still want to eliminate the other of you two
3- Eat rope myself = I am no longer in the game and I do not need to find scum anymore
Now assuming both you and Menalque are town I guess I eat rope next in the second scenario, so I won't have the time to find out who's scum because the game would be over.
I cannot reconsider my reads without another flip now. All we're going to do is run in circles, pointing fingers at each other, and end up where we started.
I will admit this though: Your approach towards me and being willing to engage me didn't strike me as something scum would do at this point, but then I looked back and remembered you are already voting me, so it felt a bit odd.
i think it would be dumb not to engage you honestly. my reads are not infalliable and i'd rather talk out stuff and see where your head is at regarding the gamestate if i am wrong. you're still my preferred elimination today regardless.
like, there's just this certain thing reading through your iso that gets to me and it's the attempts to reinforce that you are a Town Player, Too that stick out to me to the point that it feels unnatural.
1097 and
1104 namely stuck out to me upon reading them; i guess it's a tonal thing moreso than content but it feels like a concerted effort on your part to speak in a way that implicitly conveys your ~towniness.
and, that being said, i find your most recent post to contrast your reads?
1197 you convey fmpov a certain amount of confidence in your reads? there's something to be said for the strength of your townreads and you don't seem to waver in them/the progression you'd eliminate through despite saying in
1266 you were having trouble finding any scum confidently.
(also wrt
1266, while i appreciate saying 'yeah we should read through d1 to scumhunt' here it feels like an effort to deflect from your play d2 which is to me, at least, as i've said so many times now i feel self-defensive without much progression in the way of scumhunting save for agreeing with the TownBloc and throwing votes those ways/structuring your reads around it, if that makes sense lmao)
in general i feel that i haven't seen a lot of progression from you as a whole this game? at best fmpov i suppose the "i could vote mohab or i could vote snow" post in
794 suggests some amount of consideration, as the bottom of this post could, but in the end it feels like it mirrors the same opinions that you've put out the entirety of this game.
honestly at this point it's one of you or menalque fmpov. i feel that the latter's push on snow throughout a majority of d1 and defence of things like mohab's ~~townslips is just too... overt? like, i had a theory that he was just straight-up scumclaiming at the very beginning of the game but like, unless i am in fact the fool i feel that he's banking on everyone dismissing how upfront a lot of his play was (wouldn't lead snow wagon, wouldn't defend mohab, etc etc) it feels more likely that the sort of wishy-washy defence of voting either snow/mohab from you is scum. also, i tr the immediate defensiveness/awareness of how bad he looks because... yeah. i think it's dumb to hope no one is gonna bring it up honestly/not be thinking about it. lmao. in the position of a town!mena who led on snow for a lot of d1 i too would be like, "yeah uhhhh i messed up here" without having someone shimmy their way into pushing onto me.
my winning elimination chain as it is is you > mena > s_s (because while i thought raya might've been scum at some point on d1, i feel that scum simply wouldn't put all their eggs in one basket because of the very situation of town eliminating thru the snow wagon) > rce > montosh. i'm sorry if you're town but i cannot get past like... everything you've posted at this point and i feel like i am trapped in a hell where i try to go through things and end up at the same conclusions.