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I am sorry everyone that I just dropped off. I have some stuff happen that was out of my control. I was going to skim and make some sort of post however I would need to read like 10 pages to catch up. If I am slowing the game down please replace me however if you guys can wait until the end of the week I would like to get back into this game. Sorry agian.-
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Holy crap!
This was hard to catch up with. With so much to read I had a hard time trying to build something on someone. I was not a fan of a few people but most of the was during the confirmation stage. Nothing really stood out to me but I read like 20 pages so I will need to look at certain people and make something of that.-
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I find that if it is broken up its easier to read. I hate quote trains they just get confusing to me. Then again maybe its just me and if that is the case I will shut up.armlx wrote:
The issue is the runner posts just cause the thread to extent longer and longer for no reason, which makes rereads practically impossible. Not to mention reading it the first time is obnoxious.Woah, dude, don't get pissy because you aren't the only one who is allowed to post alot. That said, this reaction is pretty standard from Armlx.-
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I like the quote pyramids so I know what post he is responding to and I dont have to look up that post to remember. If alot of the crap can be cut out of them it might help.Cyberbob wrote:
There's an easy way to achieve both. All you have to do is get rid of the quote pyramids and you'll have eliminated 80% of the annoyance right there.Battle Mage wrote:FFS guys. Some of you are complaining about posts being too long, others are complaining about them being too frequent. you cant have it both ways. Sort it out amongst yourselves, because i cant keep EVERYONE happy. -.-
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If he knows something about the role that wouldnt make it scummy as wouldnt he need to be town to have something on the role to give out? It seemed to me like he had a feeling, or atleast nothing was solid. I could be wrong of course.hasdgfas wrote:Rolefishing to the extreme. If he tells you how he knows, that has a chance of outing a power role for the mafia to kill(not that that may not already have happened, I don't know what morph is thinking). Sorry for the shut up, but that post screamed scum at me so much that I had to stop it from getting anywhere.-
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I have been sucking out in this game. I read like 20 pages in one sitting and it was an overload for me. Once I have the time to read it agian and this time take notes I should be more helpful, until them I am useless and that is why I have yet to vote.hasdgfas wrote:raider- please post some actual content-
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@Netlava, I remember that game, though it was my first I didnt see you acting very scummy more you just backed yourself in a corner either way just because someone uses that phrase doesn't make them automatically scum.
@hasdgfas It easier to keep up with the game as it is going which is what I mainly do. To backtrack at this point will take me a while. I normally only have 5-10 minutes here and there so I drop in post in one or 2 games and leave for a bit. Its doesnt work in a game this size so I am trying to figure out a way that will.-
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I am in the process of rereading and I just got past that part. I didnt see how his change in thought was that scummy. It is something I am keeping in mind while I finish reading but it doesnt seem like a big deal to me.armlx wrote:2. Everything that I have on Dynamo I've said already. The pact hop was EXTREMELY scummy, possibly worse then vote hopping someone like that.-
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Post 58 right? He said "ohh ohh", so I assume that to mean he understood something he didnt before and then in the same post he did the "/treaty" thing.armlx wrote:
No, I'm talking about Dynamo trying to /in on the pact.
I am in the process of rereading and I just got past that part. I didnt see how his change in thought was that scummy. It is something I am keeping in mind while I finish reading but it doesnt seem like a big deal to me.
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This is good for me as I never thought going back to school would be so time consuming. I had to read alot and then reread cause people were quoteing all sorts of stuff.earthworm wrote:
Yeah, I'm still here, but the game has kind of slowed down, so I don't really see much that I have to say at the moment.skitzer wrote:he has replied to a prod.
nhat 283 I really dislike the post but I dont see why people want him lynched over it. I dont consider it a scum tell though.
Dynamo, jumping on many different bandwagons this early in the game (forgot to write down where this was pointed out but it was early) doesnt stand out that much to me. Things can change very quickly. I have noticed many people jumping as I kept reading. Not a scum tell to me.
Cass 399 I really agree with, vote trails can help you figure things out later in the game if you refer back to them. It doesnt always leave a trail but with a game this size I am sure it can be used later if someone is keeping track.
People are jumping on everyone for the little and stupidest things. Not sure if it is all intentional or not but most of it is crap. I have yet to find a case I can agree with. I should be making my own case but a few posts after I notice something someone else points it out.-
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At the moment I have seen quite a few people jump the gun on something I see as weak but just because I dont see what they do doesn't mean they are automatically scum. I still have more pages as I am trying to find the cases on the larger bandwagons at hand. I have read peoples case but I want to read how they posted it so I have everything in context.Netlava wrote:
If you want to make your own case, but someone else points it out before you can say it, then why do you think every case is bad? And are you suspicious of ANYONE?raider wrote:People are jumping on everyone for the little and stupidest things. Not sure if it is all intentional or not but most of it is crap. I have yet to find a case I can agree with. I should be making my own case but a few posts after I notice something someone else points it out.-
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Netlava (502) If someone wants to defend someone else is it not always a scum tell, minor or not. If I post something and you interpret it differently then someone else while being wrong someone else might defend me to explain that you did not read my post correctly. That would not make that person scum just because they pointed that out.
DynamoXI role fishing does seem to be pushing more then I have normaly seen. Though town could do the same thing, curiosity can get the best of anyone. I think he is the best lynch right now. The attention he has brought on himself has never been in a good light. Post 719 from cow says it all.Vote Dynamo-
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I have not been in many games yet so I may not be the best one to answer this, however in one of my games one of the scum gave up and self voted himself for the lynch. The game was SSWIII.Erratus Apathos wrote:Everyone on the Dynamo wagon: have you EVER seen scum, particularly newbscum, just give up and resign himself to his own lynch like this? I can point to a few finished games when I've seen a townie do it (sykedoc in Mini 577, vendetta in Newbie 615, and CC09 in Mini 617 all come to mind) but never once have I seen this sort of concession come from scum.-
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Maybe but then we wouldnt have the all the people in the bandwagon to compare agianst during the later rounds.DynamoXI wrote:
If I don't get lynched now (which idk how that could happen) later on (possibly in lylo) scum could use all the plausible cases against me to win, something that I think I can take care of right now.Cream147 wrote: If you are town, it would be detrimental to your winning cause to self-hammer. Please do not self-hammer.
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Why would you say we need to lynch Dynamo today and then say you prefer Netlava to be lynched first?Citizen Karne wrote:Also, I strongly believe Netlava to have tried to bus Dynamo, and to have failed miserably. In my mind, we may have just caught two scum.
Also, EA's vote on BM seems quite OMGUS to me, and BM's play, while frustrating, seems just like Battle Mage being Battle Mage.
I feel we should lynch Dynamo today, and if he turns scum,lynching Netlava tomorrow. I am also willing to do this vice versa, but would prefer Netlava to be lynched first.very seriously consider-
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What reasons do you have for wanting to stop us from lynching Dynamo? Or atleast what are your reasons for thinking he is town and not lieing?Cream147 wrote:Ok, I can't see us stopping a Dynamo lynch annoyingly, because some people apparently doubt his alignment. Fair enough, but guys, we have 9 days to do it, so it's still perfectly doable.-
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I would care more about this vote if it would have happened when I was active lurking. Looks to me that you are trying to toss your vote somewhere and hope it goes unnoticed. This is noted.Korts wrote:
I think we've already gone over that a couple of times. Why ask these questions? You seem to be trying to look like you're contributing while in reality all you're doing is asking pointless questions. Active lurking much?raider8169 wrote:
What reasons do you have for wanting to stop us from lynching Dynamo? Or atleast what are your reasons for thinking he is town and not lieing?Cream147 wrote:Ok, I can't see us stopping a Dynamo lynch annoyingly, because some people apparently doubt his alignment. Fair enough, but guys, we have 9 days to do it, so it's still perfectly doable.
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If he is scum then he can stay off of the mislynch. Making him seem town. Plus while having a vote somewhere else he will be overlooked in case the lynch is decided via deadline. The only thing I am pointing out is that the vote is casted close to deadline but not that close. The case is weak as I have been posting alot more then I was. If the vote came a week ago it would have been expected. There are also many others that are lurking it didnt make sense why I was picked but I think because I happen to post at the time it made all the difference.armlx wrote:Raider, what does korts have to gain from a vote on essentially nowhere at this point?-
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Sorry everyone for the quote clusters ahead of time.
I endorsed the postings from other people while I added a little bit. You can not always have unique points and it will often be someone else's case that gets you to see their point of view. Its called a bandwagon. It happens. This might be something worth more if you called everyone else on it. I wonder why you are going after only me? Kind of strange but if I hit your radar then hope this answers that.Korts wrote:This was your last post with serious content; I have to point out though that your case against Dynamo relies heavily on others' points. I realize you can't always make unique points, but this is still to be noted.
My comment was completely relevant. If you think otherwise please explain more. He asked a question and I gave what I thought to be a good example. If you notice he then revised his thought because of my example.Korts wrote:Your next is a single comment on self-hammering. Almost, but not quite, irrelevant.
I do not want him to self vote. Later in the game all the people on the bandwagon can be used for information. If he votes himself that is one less person that would have to vote for the lynch. It gives less information for latter on. Is this the clarification you were looking for?Korts wrote:Your next post is a single sentence directed at Dynamo. I don't understand this; Dynamo is basically arguingforhis lynch, and you say this in reply, but the structure of the sentence, which implies you'd be arguingagainstDynamo's lynch (starting with "maybe, but"), is in contradiction with the actual content, which is another point in favor of a Dynamo-lynch. Correct me if I'm wrong; this isn't a point in case against you, I would just like some clarification.
Not all posts are going to have serious content. This one was me asking for the case on Netlava as I did not see it. Is it so wrong to ask for clarification?Korts wrote:Your next comment is a short note on the Netlava-case and reinforcing your conviction in your vote. No serious content here.
I was asking for clarification. Note the bolded parts. How can you lynch Dynamo today and prefer that Netlava be lynched first?Korts wrote:
A pointless question whose answer is in the quoted post, pretty much. Again, no serious content.raider8169 wrote:
Why would you say we need to lynch Dynamo today and then say you prefer Netlava to be lynched first?Citizen Karne wrote:Also, I strongly believe Netlava to have tried to bus Dynamo, and to have failed miserably. In my mind, we may have just caught two scum.
Also, EA's vote on BM seems quite OMGUS to me, and BM's play, while frustrating, seems just like Battle Mage being Battle Mage.
I feel we should lynch Dynamo today, and if he turns scum,lynching Netlava tomorrow. I am also willing to do this vice versa, butvery seriously considerwould prefer Netlava to be lynched first.
It seems to me you had questions for me but why would you vote first and then ask the question. Your case is empty but I will be a placeholder for your vote.-
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Yes I got it, thank for for that. I was still useing it to explain why it was a real question and not something to just keep up with the one post a day thing.Citizen Karne wrote:Secondly, raider, did you see my post clarifying the mistype I made that you asked about? In case you missed it, it is here, at the top of this page.-
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I mean he should be looking at everyone that does not add to the case. I dislike it when people just vote with no other reasons but I think its fine to point out the reasons you like. Not everyone is going to be able to make a case based on the same information and I dont see a point in someone just taking one persons case and changing the words around and claim it as their own case. Its just not needed.Cass wrote:Yeah, with every post he makes I can see the "raider is active lurking"-case more. Something to keep an eye on, but again, not today.
Could you name the other people Korts should call on it? Or did you mean he should be afterraider wrote:I endorsed the postings from other people while I added a little bit. You can not always have unique points and it will often be someone else's case that gets you to see their point of view. Its called a bandwagon. It happens. This might be something worth more if you called everyone else on it. I wonder why you are going after only me? Kind of strange but if I hit your radar then hope this answers that.everyoneon that bandwagon?-
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Maybe so, but it would not be supported in games I have not played the same way. If doing a meta is someones play style that is on them but I will not judge someone for a way they acted in a different game is all I am really trying to get across.Cream147 wrote:
But your playstyle here agrees with your playstyle in other games. I would understand your argument if you were playing differently in this game, but that you're playing the same, makes a pattern.raider8169 wrote:For the record I hate when people use meta for information. People can and do play differently game to game as I have and I currently am doing. Feel free to use whatever you find but I would not put everything you have into it.
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This has the fair aroma of opportunism; embracing the newly found suspicion of Cream while maintaining a healthy dose of support for Netlava's wagon. Also, off the top of my head, I don't remember you supporting Netlava's lynch yesterday, correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote]raider8169 wrote:I agree with the netlava bandwagon. I just dont want to see the bandwagon get that large so fast. I would like to see how Netlava posts today before adding my vote.
You are right in that I was not a big fan of Netlava's lynch yesterday as I thought the better target was Dynamo. I do not see a better lynch for today thus far but as the day only just started I would like to see what Netlava has to say. I dont think I am being an opportunisic by saying where I stand and also adding that I wish to hear from Netlava. My vote has not been placed, had then been the case then I think you would have had a point.-
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Saying I agree with the bandwagon is opportunistic? You guys throw that word around way too much and I think you guys lost the meaning behind the word. With as many people needed to lynch someone people will toss their vote on there for many different reasons.Cyberbob wrote:As someone who came pretty much out of the gate yesterday in support of a Netlava lynch, I have to agree that this wagon is moving a little too fast for my liking. I'm seeing a rather opportunistic votes from BlakAdder & perhaps StrangerCoug, and raider's post 991 (as a couple of others have also noted) really smells of scum appearing to support a wagon without committing to actually laying a vote down.
I am pro the bandwagon but I didnt like how large it got and how fast it got. I would also like Netlava to defend himself. Failure to defend would result in my vote anything else and I would need to consider.-
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I think you just have it in for me today...armlx wrote:
That's just dumb.I would normally agree with you but after dynamo I think this may be along the same lines and he might just turn up town.
Anyways, how is it dumb. His actions have been stupid and though he is not making any real attempts to defend himself, or atleast from my opinion. I dont see a real difference between Netlava's case and the case agianst dynamo.
By no means does this means Netlava is cleared or anything like that but I am trying to make sure there is a difference and that Netlava isnt todays lynch because nothing better has been looked at.-
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I agree, but I dont see us in any rush at the moment and I would like to see Netlava post more. The lack of posting is making me lean closer and closer to adding my vote.Citizen Karne wrote:Just because you mislynched once doesn't mean you should WIFOM yourself out of every lynch for the rest of the game, my friend.-
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I was wondering the same thing.StrangerCoug wrote:
How am I OMGUS'ing Korts when 1.) he hasn't voted me once this game and 2.) his current case on me wouldn't exist if I hadn't butted in supporting Skruff's analogy?hasdgfas wrote:
So now you're OMGUS'ing Korts? Because if he's not attacking you for the reason you voted him for, why are you voting?StrangerCoug wrote:Whatever. Vote stands.
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I was always under the impression that an OMGUS vote only works if the person being OMGUS voted first. Having a case but not voting the person makes the OMGUS voided. Granted its just a term and the meaning behind the case and SC voting is what matters.hasdgfas wrote:SC: he doesn't have to vote you for you to OMGUS him. It's not that you're voting for him, because voting for him at the time you did was for a reason that he has since refuted. Because you're still voting him, it looks to me like it's just because he's gotten on your case.-
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I agree with this, you should be posting alot more trying to explain yourself and convince everyone that you should not be today's lynch.Cream147 wrote:
Strengthen up, when there's a wagon on me, that makes me want to post more!Netlava wrote:Sorry, haven't been posting (skool has just started) and of course, since the wagon is on me makes me not feel like wanting to post
I was hoping for more but for the time being a vote will have to do.
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You think SC is more likely to be scum then Netlava?Korts wrote:I think you're right, Skruffs. Based on that connection alone, SC is more likely out of the two of you to be scum. So please address the points I made against the analogy and I can get on with voting SC. It may not be all that relevant to scumhunting, but the fact that you failed to do so or even mention it when I asked you multiple times makes me think I may be onto something here.-
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It looks like we have 14 people that are still in this game. With this many people we would all have to agree on someone in order to make a lynch.
I dont really have anything to say on the new cases as I dont see what they see and nothing has stood out to me.
Netlava is posting more which is good but nothing to make me not happy with a lynch there.-
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I did not contradicted myself. I was suspicious from the start. My reason for not voting was because I was worried that is would be the same as a dynamo lynch. The difference between the 2 is how they are defending themselves. Netlava was not even making a real attempt to IMO. Netlava is doing better however I am not ready to unvote and the posts have not swayed me one way or the other.Skruffs wrote:
Contradiction here with your last post.raider8169 wrote:
I agree with this, you should be posting alot more trying to explain yourself and convince everyone that you should not be today's lynch.Cream147 wrote:
Strengthen up, when there's a wagon on me, that makes me want to post more!Netlava wrote:Sorry, haven't been posting (skool has just started) and of course, since the wagon is on me makes me not feel like wanting to post
I was hoping for more but for the time being a vote will have to do.
Vote Netlava
Either you were voting him purely because he wasn't posting enough or you were actually suspicious of him.-
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