Open 792: Masons and Monks GAME OVER

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I am both a mason and a monk, discuss.

we already knew the masons were not mafia, this is pointless information

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VOTE: Notty

Meow.

Please note, I cannot count votes if I do not know who you are intending to vote for. Be aware that there is both notscience and Not_Mafia in this game.

i smell a conspiracy to stop the inevitable early notty wagon

VOTE: notscience

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woops wrong notty i was confused

VOTE: notmafia (swrious vote)

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VOTE: elements

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woops wrong notty i was confused

VOTE: notmafia (swrious vote)

Glad to see you’re town

I’m on the wagon with you in spirit

yea I'm on that wagon with your spirit in spirit but you should put your body into elements

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I don't think his vote was entirely based on his dislike for Whitney's miltank

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UNVOTE:

haya's not scum guys

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shit, dropped this

VOTE: Elements

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I like to think scumplayers generally have a certain awareness of their own iso, do you think stretch here is being especially prudent?

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especially for fifth page

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a50 would normally be a townread for his shitposting but with this being multiball im leaning slight scum mhmmmmmm no questions

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scared2post, elements?

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UNVOTE:
baffled as to why nobody is voting with me, even if elements is town

maybe my vote will have more use off him than on

A50 looking like haya's buddy here

Ohm damn! You got us. Sorry, Haya. I tried.

Scum response

this post sucks

VOTE: sircakez

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even if elements is town

i guess this doesn't matter in multiball

maybe my vote will have more use off him than on

..and maybe people are coming to the same conclusion as me?

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surely mala scum would have placed a proper vote by now, no?

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interesting

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baffled as to why nobody is voting with me, even if elements is town

What was your reason? I think I know, but want to hear it from you.

elements hasn't had a single worthy post but hasn't done anything scummy to the point of being usable in a case. ie he's been trolling. granted by his volition he is bad at d1 play so maybe that's nai, but my point stands. I'm surprised nobody else cares to put pressure on a slot that seems to me like all it needs is a bit of serious pressure to crack.

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hey iv you should talk to agar

I feel like that kind of attitude is part of why the game is dead. Too few people are interested in pushing non-contributors.

strange stance given the only solid wagon we've had is on the only player who hasn't voted
that being said keep me a place in your crusade for later

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strange stance given the only solid wagon we've had is on the only player who hasn't voted

What?

It’s a pretty accurate stance.

accurate, but idk seems lamenty given the timing of his jump onto mala's wagon

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I see it, but I'm not sure your views are changing to reflect the current gamestate

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tbf all I said was it was strange, I'm not watching you super close

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Also I think agar is town.

What are you seeing because I'm struggling to read agar rn

@A50 it’s pretty clearly a joke, lol.

why say this?

hm is Elements low hanging fruit or not
questions questions

Generally speaking, he is. (Based on -at least- two games I've played with him before, in which he was eliminated on D1 on both. Oh, and he was Town on both two.)

Hm ok

what was the purpose of posting the original question? what did you get from this answer?

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missed the second one thanks

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sorry forgot to check in yesterday, I should have time for this tonight

sircakez wagon good

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^ lol but also not sure why any of that makes dave scum

pedit lol@dave

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nobody can even explain the reason for their vote other than A50's OMGUS so

it seems pretty crap to me

no other posts in your iso indicate this.

ie, what are you going to do about it?

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Town: IV, Malakittens, notscience
Null: A50, N_M
Scum: Xayah, Dunn, The Bulge, SirCakez, davesaz, Agar, Draomic

For everyone who doesn't bother to read, this list is based solely on weather or not people have claimed to be town.

to what end tho??

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I don't have a strong read on ns yet this game

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prolly not

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I bet I can find out if he's scum if I can make him really unsure how I'm reading him tho

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iv are you leaning tvt for dave/dram or what are your thoughts there

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so you believe me

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:o

so you believe me

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yes i really did just

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aren't we all

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iv are you leaning tvt for dave/dram or what are your thoughts there

i can't really read either of them idk, seem pretty nully

i really don't have any strong reads this game, literally mala is my strongest read and she's a normal townread

do you think one comes out looking worse than the other tho? dram is bothering me a little.

pedit - honestly at this point is the mala wagon moving forward at all? what is its purpose in the current game state

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no strong reads, but it's a strong interaction and I was hoping to get something from it

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agreed, and there is potential gain from others weighing in as well

pedit - I mentioned tvt because your readslist had them both on the town side of null and you said your reads hadn't changed
I don't see what is so damning about most of dram's points to merit that kind of emotional language

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yes that. dram's points about dave's posts being damning to dave.

cakez slot being so boring big pings me!

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huh. yea maybe.

see this is why I ask you

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yay mutual progress

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Thought I'd have some time in the car for this today but I ended up driving. Tomorrow!

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I don't have strong opinions his game, why are there 4 votes on Malakittens?

She seems very different from her limited availability in 2148. You were there too- doesn’t she seem like way more of a nonentity this game?

At this point I accepted my death.

oh no the mala ate is here

That’s a scum claim from her, IV.

I feel like I have nothing to add here
The N_M wagon is stupid and pointless
Mala's AtE is a little gross but I still wouldn't vote her for it

can one of you please explain how in the world this is AtE because I don't see it even a little bit

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@xayah you dont have to answer obviously because you've said you wouldn't but if you care to it would be interesting to know why you think cakez is town.

If Cakez is scum he's having to fake this amount of confidence and I don't see why he goes that angle. Plus if his read is right (and you believe it to be so) he's the person on top of the 'you should kill' list for w/e scum team isn't on it. There's certain strats you do in this setup and Cakez is like...doing none of them.

what about cakez's play this game makes you assume he would be playing optimally as scum? or is this a meta thing?

I can ask right? If he doesn't want to explain it whatever

Just because I don't have a concrete reason for voting you doesn't mean I can't ask other people if they want to share their opinions? idk what you want from me

and yeah id rather not elim NM d1

Ofc you can it just seems discontinuous with what you've said before

Also I take back my Dave townread

What about dave's last couple pages made you switch? if anything my townread of dave has grown stronger.

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yea but I've seen mala AtE and this seems like not really that same level you know

anyone pushing for elements should probably help me with cakez instead im pretty sure elements is just bad town and the cakez wagon has the same perks

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I don't think I have a read on Mala strong enough to convince anyone of anything regarding her, but I could say the same from the POV of most people on her wagon.

Elements I agree with your reads and am sorry if I was rude, to be clear I don't find your play specifically anti-town nor do i resent your presence in the game. cakez is a good vote today, a50 is a silly push.

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Cakez what about the game of mafia, if anything, typically gets a somewhat emotional out of you?

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*a somewhat emotional reaction

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gopher it

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please tomorrow ^ ?

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nm is an ok elim but

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VOTE: sircakez

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this will look so nice as a counterwagon oooou~

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I could see some pressure on dram being useful

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you dont think you would benefit from engagement?

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mmm i say jump right in if it feels right

VOTE: dramonic

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who was it who said elements would be best kept past day 1?

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If A50 is scum the other scum team is stupid to let him live long. What's his agenda at the moment?

I'm not sure this logic tracks?

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please dont catch up like that

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please dont catch up like that

Oh fuck yea I will

please actually don't tho

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town effort or scum effort hmmm who can say

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i haven't read this game in days lol

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Well Joey is prob town.

I’m VT.

Popcorn to Dave

does someone gets town points simply for presenting EVs, or just for putting in a lot of extra effort?

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I'm speaking hypothetically

EVs, statistical probabilities, etc etc it's all objective and an incredibly easy way for scum to control the narrative of a game when the logical/emotional flow of the game does not suit them.

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town effort or scum effort hmmm who can say

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I wasn't even talking to you i was asking mala why she gave you town points. "hypothetically" is not distancing, it's what my post was, that much was obvious from the language i used.

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You implied/said my post was “simply EV”
I said you misrepped me = no, my post was not only EV
Then you mansplain me “objectivey, EV is used by scum”

while we're talking misreps this is not at all what i said

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your defensiveness is noted however

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vt, go dram

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do we know for sure if the Prs flip?

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woops

a deadline would be great tho

i won't replace out lemme get back into this mmk

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I'm going to let the scum teams show their hands here.

roll over and accept the kingmaker scenario?

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Ari, my friend: There are only 7 players alive and FOUR of them are Scum. dave is the only living PR left alive after Joey's massclaim move. I know my own alignment (I won't hold it against anyone to SR me after the Mala flip though), which leaves me with a 4 Scum out of the remaining 5 slots.

Now are you telling me that YOU are the ONLY Town player left alive besides me and dave?

what clears dave in this poe?

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ok I was hesitant at first to bring this up but i dont see how letting it be the elephant in the room helps us at all

why is nobody talking about agar's still-secret partner? how does keeping them unclaimed help anyone besides scum if they're hiding in one of the hoods?

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joey flipped vt

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agar flipped both hoods, why would somebody in just one hood flip vt?

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I'm certain I'm not missing anything

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....although i didnt go back and check immediately before posting just now. i 1000000% read a vt flip when it was first posted.

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certain

a fool's word

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I'm betting on mason, AGar would have flipped out if he wasn't. And we should have had a CC.

i presumed that whoever the real one was got lucky with the popcorn and kept quiet in the interest of self-preservation. agar's and a50's reactions to the massclaim had me thinking i was onto something but fuck me i guess

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let's light a fire here then

VOTE: Aristophanes

ari how much have you read?

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i suppose we are only doing them favours narrowing the pool?

on the other hand, we desperately need a correct elimination.

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even a scumflip potentially hands the game to one team if they're able to shoot based on assocs

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no worries if not. I hear you can obvtown pretty good tho. can you do that without having read?

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let's light a fire here then

VOTE: Aristophanes

ari how much have you read?

I'm sure that its drdolittle. Other 3 are up in the air. We should go for the obvious pick today.

VOTE: Drdolittle

You both going for a vote isn't helping me decide which of you is Scum! If both of you are, then God help us!

hm my vote was a pressure vote, don't misrep it
UNVOTE:

I am liking the idea of no elim i think

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unless someone fucks up big time. a safe scum elim is still our best option if we pull it off

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but if we miselim and still win this setup deserves the trash

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what does scum want right now tho? if a50 is to be believed, scum wants to push for an elim. if we go with dave's analysis, scum wants a no elim. my point is the scumteams have already decided how they want this day to go, and we never will come to an agreement since we hold a minority of the votes. that being said, the fact that most people are pushing to eliminate today tells me this should be our option

VOTE: no elim

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so vote?

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haha nice, my reads were pretty solid.

gg everyone! thanks brassherald for hosting!

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I probably never looked hard enough at The Bulge

lol

most people think it's impolite to stare......but I like it