geraintm wrote:Ok, as promised, my thoughts
StrangerCoug wrote:I said I wanted to hammer, but whatever.
why? why did you want to hammer so badly. if you wanted to vote, then you should have
I was pretty sure that Inspector Godot was scum and not nhat, but I wasn't confident enough for a vote. Nobody likes lynching a claimed power role, but it's already had to be done twice. chenhsi was speedlynched because he failed to contribute much to discussion and maxwellhouse countered him. They both ended up being cops. As for nhat and Inspector Godot, they didn't claim the same role, but they still conflicted (nhat claimed Inspector Godot killed imaginality, while Inspector Godot claimed to have reported on that same person the night he died). Because Godot flipped scum, Wumbo is not cleared.
geraintm wrote:StrangerCoug wrote:All right, fine! I don't care if I'm royally screwed over; I want to do something to move the game along, damn it!
Unvote: StrangerCoug
Vote: Wumbo
Stop sitting there.
huh, did you vote for wumbo because bat is claiming either you or wumbo is scum?
No; Wumbo wasn't contributing to discussion and hadn't been for a good part of this game.
geraintm wrote:StrangerCoug wrote:Unvote: Wumbo
for the moment. Now engage in discussion.
I find even three cops hard to believe, Cass. If there are four cops, then there
MUST
be one sane, one insane, one paranoid and one naïve. If there are three cops, then I don't think we have both a sane and an insane cop.
I do believe the roleblocker should claim if he's town, as I believe. If there is a mass claim and the roleblocker doesn't claim such, then I'm pretty sure whoever the roleblocker is is scum.
why do you think there is a roleblocker wh is town? with so many investigation roles, seems only fair that the scum get a blocker to try and even things out.
This was basically given that I was blocked Night 2 but not Night 3. It turned out I was wrong—as we all now know, the roleblocker is scum (and/or, as Cass brought up, I'm scum, but I know what I am
). As I said, I wasn't 100% sure anyway.
geraintm wrote:StrangerCoug wrote:Litral wrote:Four cops, a tracker, a forensic investigator and a town roleblocker against only at most four (and probably three) scum? I find that very difficult to believe.
I find it hard to believe too, but I said I
THINK
the roleblocker is town (he or she may be scum). I also think Battousai is lying.
whoa whoa whoa
bat is lying? why is he lying? why are you voting for him? i dont see why you are, you havent explained at all!
As I've said over and over, I find three cops
VERY
hard to believe. Four cops, a tracker, a forensic investigator, and a roleblocker is already seven players out of twelve with power roles, and I don't think there are that many.
StrangerCoug wrote: If there are three cops, the two sanity distributions that I see most likely are sane/naïve/paranoid and insane/naïve/paranoid. Two cops, one sane and one insane, isn't exactly likely, but I do find it believable.
What's that one type of theme game where all the townie roles are cops with differing sanities?
S/N/P i can buy
I/N/P i find hard to believe, that basically cripples the town with 3 cops who are all getting wrong/unhelpful results doesnt it??[/quote]
I assumed the insane cop in an I/N/P distrubution would live long enough to find this out and report the opposite result from then on, but S/N/P does make better sense than I/N/P.
Cass wrote:Sorry for the posting spree; I'd been waiting for quite a while to put my thoughts down
I have to agree that StrangerCoug has said and done some weird things.
@Stranger:
Let me tell you guys that I am a tracker and that maxwellhouse did indeed investigate Dark wingstalker Night 1 (the latter of which we all know xD). I tried to track Cass Night 2, but got roleblocked. Litral did not submit a night choice Night 3.
1) Why did you investigate me night 2? Why Litral night 3? Can you paraphrase the results the mod pm-ed you night 2 and 3?
I already paraphrased my results (and you quoted them!) and I already answered why I investigated Litral. As for tracking you, I did so for the same reason that Battousai claims to have—you want maxwellhouse dead over Dark wingstalker.
Cass wrote:I think the roleblocker is town and blocked me by mistake trying to block the Mafia, but I'm not 100% sure.
2)Why did/do you think the roleblocker is town?
See above.
Cass wrote:Since Battousai effectively counterclaimed me, Vote: Battousai.
He didn't, you misread, but even so:
3) There are multiple cops in this game. Why couldn't there be multiple trackers?
Trackers don't have variant sanities, so I'm almost positive I'm the only one. In addition, there can only be so many power roles for the game to still be balanced.
Cass wrote:Have you ever misinterpreted what you thought was a counterclaim against you? That's what I'm guilty of, and I know what that means; therefore, my vote stands. Now kill me.
No, I haven't, but if I had, I'm pretty sure 'kill me' would
not
be my response.
4) I still don't get why you felt obliged to vote yourself after a simple misunderstanding. Nothing disastrous happened, as far as I can see. Care to explain your thought pocess a bit more?
Panic attack, which I'm pretty prone to town or scum.
Cass wrote:All right, fine! I don't care if I'm royally screwed over
5) Why would you be royally screwed over?
Panicking is a scum tell, which I know I'm guilty of and which was what I was referencing.
Cass wrote:6) Why did you unvote Wumbo again, so soon after you voted him?
Pressure vote to get him to contribute, which he doesn't seem to want to do.
Cass wrote:I'm not against a no lynch if we have no other information to gain today, but right now we should be trying to find the third and most likely final scum. I'm going to vote: Battousai again for the time being, but no lynch should be a last resort here.
7) Yet you say you think Batt's a liar in that same post. Why would you support a no lynch then?
I didn't. I said I'm not against it
IF
there's no other information to gain today. There is. Don't misrepresent me.
Cass wrote:I am against massclaiming.
8) Why? Seeing as you started the claiming today.
One of the last things nhat did before he did was cast suspicion on me for not exactly wanting to kill Dark Wingstalker and Inspector Godot, which is true.
Meaning geraintm is the roleblocker and/or the roleblocker is scum (assuming, of course, it exists).
9) Why would you doubt the existence of a RB? Your own credibility depends on the presence of one...[/quote]
I know, and I believe the roleblocker exists. I said that because I'm not confirmed and I'm as equally likely to be scum as anybody else (at least ignoring power roles).
Cass wrote:I was afraid I blew it. That's all I'm going to say.
10) How mysterious. You sure you can't say anything more?
About whether or not I was counterclaimed? I'm sure there isn't anything else I can say.
If there are three cops, the two sanity distributions that I see most likely are sane/naïve/paranoid and insane/naïve/paranoid. Two cops, one sane and one insane, isn't exactly likely, but I do find it believable.
11) That sounds as if three cops is more likely than two cops. Yet you think Battousai is lying. Why?[/quote]
Again, misrepresentation. I said "if", meaning I either am not 100% sure about it or I don't 100% believe it. In this case, it's the latter.
Minor FoS: Cass.
I see two cops more likely: either sane with another variant sanity or insane with naïve or paranoid.
Cass wrote:12) How do you feel about lynching Wumbo today?
I'm pretty sure there are better lynches than Wumbo at this point despite his lack of contribution.