Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[Remilia Scarlet]

we were both in the game but i replaced out before you replaced in i think

[Bell]

It feels like rn you’re working backwards from knowing he’s town

what exactly is my motivation to do this w/ muffin vs morph who is a 1000% easier write-off to literally everyone

Well, that’s a false dilemma, since it would be important for scum you and even town you to navigate them both fairly carefully my guess was that you were creating a false trail for muffin as partner if you got killed earlier before men etc

[Bell]

Men = mwb

[morph the cat]

oh...Fakegod game. I replaced in on the final day.

muffin turned my scumread upside down in about half a page.

I really don't have nearly the paranoia I should playing with him. :/

[Remilia Scarlet]

Well, that’s a false dilemma, since it would be important for scum you and even town you to navigate them both fairly carefully my guess was that you were creating a false trail for muffin as partner if you got killed earlier before men etc

except that i was keeping it up today before you called objection to it

[Bell]

Why don’t you mind that Muffin thinks it’s just you and has stated as much?

[Bell]

Like i’m waffling with this interaction and I know that’s exactly what scum you would be hoping for and it’s like I don’t have reasons that are clicking into place that are a better narrative for a potential town but you seem so clear eyed. How you’re even talking to me is weird because you’re arguing rather than seemingly trying to read me.

It is, frankly beyond weird that not a single thing about muffin has pinged you.

[Remilia Scarlet]

Why don’t you mind that Muffin thinks it’s just you and has stated as much?

I had to go back and find this, but if you're referring to 7187 i kinda felt like the writing was on the wall for me and was focusing more on getting my reads out there.
But that's also a lot different tone than something like 7319 which i'll admit made me lose my shit

[Remilia Scarlet]

Like i’m waffling with this interaction and I know that’s exactly what scum you would be hoping for and it’s like I don’t have reasons that are clicking into place that are a better narrative for a potential town but you seem so clear eyed. How you’re even talking to me is weird because you’re arguing rather than seemingly trying to read me.

Why can't I be doing both? I think your approach to dealing with me today is extremely weird and a lot of it has to do w/ the clarification behind your assertion that I'm being too soft on muffin

so like, that's where we are right now

[Remilia Scarlet]

It is, frankly beyond weird that not a single thing about muffin has pinged you.

Muffin didn't enter a high tier in my townreads until pretty late D1, so empirically this isn't the case.

What

should

my progression on muffin have been on D3? It's really easy to say that I'm giving him too free of a pass but like on some level you need to disagree with the read in order for to take such large umbrage when you did.

[Bell]

Sigh.

Morph do bork’s reads develop this way normally where he just slaps down positions without going into detail without being pushed.
It doesn’t feel solvey to me.

You would have to ignore a significant number of my posts to think i’m scum this game, esp in regards to how mean I was to both joy and mwb pre and post flip given my nature.

[Bell]

^ this is what I think t should have looked like.
More detail, more solve. Less placing bets down on the table and seeing what happens.

[Remilia Scarlet]

i have no idea what you're trying to say

you're not addressing or weaving through anything i have to say you're just making generalizations and lobbying

[Remilia Scarlet]

Morph do bork’s reads develop this way normally where he just slaps down positions without going into detail without being pushed.

like what are you even talking about here

[morph the cat]

Sigh.

Morph do bork’s reads develop this way normally where he just slaps down positions without going into detail without being pushed.
It doesn’t feel solvey to me.

You would have to ignore a significant number of my posts to think i’m scum this game, esp in regards to how mean I was to both joy and mwb pre and post flip given my nature.

I'm going to read some old games tonight and see if I'm missing something.

His playstyle to me has always been more about his interrogations - what he questions, what he jumps on, what settles his mind, and then what he questions next. And I feel like I've been dealing with that Bork all game long. My play has caught his suspicious attention several times and I sometimes feel like I'm the chew toy and he's the terrier.

[Bell]

not making sense isn’t actually scummy for me.

Answering questions is secondary to me than proactively trying to understand and solve.
ESP. Because my experience with answering people’s questions is that it doesn’t matter and doesn’t change their positions as town and doesn’t change their positions as scum either.

[Remilia Scarlet]

You would have to ignore a significant number of my posts to think i’m scum this game

but if I don't think Muffin's scum this game, that's a problem?

@ST in particular since I feel you've on on record w/ a similar stance that Bell is taking toward himself: I want to know what you think Bell is talking about here

[Remilia Scarlet]

Answering questions is secondary to me than proactively trying to understand and solve.

again, where is your seam between argument and interrogation?

[Bell]

No I just think you’d have more doubts if you weren’t scum. /:

Sorry if i’m being annoying I don’t mean to be.

[Remilia Scarlet]

Sorry if i’m being annoying I don’t mean to be.

it's mafia; as far as I'm concerned this shit doesn't leave the game for me unless shit goes way over the line

[Bell]

It means when i’m Talking to you the most important thing to me is not answering your questions but understanding you and deciding whether you’re town or not.

If I think you’re town and you actually are usually what I end up having to do is drag them across the finish line because it’s already too late with their read of me. I’m tired so I don’t wish to write out the other 3 permutations of this scenario.

[Remilia Scarlet]

No I just think you’d have more doubts if you weren’t scum. /:

I understand this sentiment as a general principle. Obviously I don't have to read someone i know isn't on my team.

I feel like you're just kind of erroneously applying it to a situation because you don't agree with the conclusion and I'm trying to figure out why

[zMuffinMan]

prod dodge
busy weekend

[Bell]

No I just think you’d have more doubts if you weren’t scum. /:

I understand this sentiment as a general principle. Obviously I don't have to read someone i know isn't on my team.

I feel like you're just kind of erroneously applying it to a situation because you don't agree with the conclusion and I'm trying to figure out why

[morph the cat]

ST, thoughts?