Mini 663 - Mind Screw Mafia II - Over

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/confirm

Sup?

Vote: dahill1

because he smells.

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I believe that Tarhalindur simply rules-infractioned himself to show us a rule infraction example. I have nothing to back that up with except guts.

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I didn't see anything on my PM about confirming.

I already voted but apparently it didn't count.

Vote: dahill1

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Jebus: What what does?

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Vote: Cyberbob

for bandwagoneering.

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It is a real vote. I don't really know what you mean by "serious."

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It is a real vote. I don't really know what you mean by "serious."

as in, not random.
do you really think two votes is bandwagoning?

Sure, why not.

also, do you think early Day 1 bandwagons are good/bad and why?

I think that day one voting is a bit random at best, but I've seen scum lynched day 1 enough to put some stock in the discussion part of the process. I prefer the lynch to occur as close to deadline as possible so the scummiest person possible is killed.

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I still don't know what you mean. Do I think bandwagons on day one are a good idea? I'm going to say yes. Pressure is our sharpest tool.

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It is a real vote. I don't really know what you mean by "serious."

as in, not random.
do you really think two votes is bandwagoning?

Sure, why not.

X

Next time make it multiple choice... I promise to do better.

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Vote: Wall-E

I'm interested to see what this does.

What what does?

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dahill1: Do you think a bandwagon with no reason behind it is a good idea?

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Vote: Cyberbob

for bandwagoneering.

I said "Bandwagoneering." I don't think it's a real word, so I'll define it:

"To add one's vote to another person's for the purpose of trying to start a bandwagon."

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I stand by it. It's as good as anything early day 1.

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I just realized the flaw with your logic, dahill1.

I voted for Cyberbob for starting a bandwagon with no stated reason. Translation: I approve of bandwagons so long as they have a stated reason.

I hope that is clearer. Now that you've strawman'd me and I've pointed out the flaw in your strawman I'll give you a chance to respond or retract your stance before I FoS you.

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I just realized the flaw with your logic, dahill1.

I voted for Cyberbob for starting a bandwagon with no stated reason. Translation: I approve of bandwagons so long as they have a stated reason.

I hope that is clearer. Now that you've strawman'd me and I've pointed out the flaw in your strawman I'll give you a chance to respond or retract your stance before I FoS you.

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hooray for macintosh

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Can you define "strangely" at all?

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In case it's not evident to someone: I'd like to point out that unvoting will not remove votes. Let's all be careful with votes.

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Jebus has not answered my question despite having an opportunity. Jebus if you don't answer I will FoS you.

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Jebus has not answered my question despite having an opportunity. Jebus if you don't answer I will FoS you.

You do realise that this is not much of a threat, right? I'm pretty sure FoSes don't count for anything unless there is a tie in the voting.

1) Normally I'd vote, but as those seem to be particularly volatile in this game, I'm going to stick to the (hopefully) tamer practice of casting a suspicious finger.

2) As you say, it DOES count for something.

3) For all we know, being that this is crazyland, an FoS holds some (further) power (I hope I'm wrong).

As a test:

Unvote

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FoS: Wall-E

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I'm still giggling at the fact that Wall-E thought my vote on dahill wasn't random, to be honest.

I never said it wasn't. All I said was that you added your vote to mine. I was actually giving you the benefit of assuming you were paying attention to who you voted for and how many votes that person had on them. Are you now saying you weren't?

EBWOP:

Two votes doth not a bandwagon make (this was before the whole votes-not-being-removed mechanic was discovered, remember), and I'd be very interested in your explanation for how you arrived at the conclusion that I was attempting to get other people on board.

I planned from the very first time I voted dahill1 to vote for anyone who joined in. Are you accusing me of something? State it simply and directly. I'm a robot: I have no feelings to hurt (actually I just don't get offended easily but it sounds cooler that way).

FoS: Jebus

for ignoring a simple question.

For the stupid people (me): Why are folks voting for malthusius and why or why shouldn't I join in?

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Thanks for clearing that up.

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My possible explainations:

Votes fade slowly away (This one seems kinda unlikely but possible)

Some people's votes are permanent (I hope this one is true because it might be a way of finding scum, though I doubt it is true for that very reason... maybe vanilla votes are permanent?)

We need to figure out this voting thing. I propose everyone votes for the person above them on the list and then immediately unvotes that person in a second post. Obviously the downside to this plan is some people might get a permanent vote on them, but it's only one so I think it's an acceptable trade. Thoughts?

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Other anomalies: There have been three "fourth vote count" s. Jebus got a vote from nowhere dated and timestamped at the time of the second "fourth vote count"

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Weird.

Vote: Corn Chips

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Good eye, dahill1.

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Uh, maybe not. Check out vote count five's tallys:

Vote Count:

Wall-E (4) - DragonsofSummer, malthusis, dahill1

FoS Count:

Wall-E (1) - Jebus, malthusis

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malthusis: What do you think about posts 100 and 99?

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How about this. One of you confesses or we focus whatever nasty night powers the town has on the two of you.

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Also I would advocate protecting whomever confesses, Doc, since it seems unlikely for doublevoting to be a scum power, and if we know who it is we can boss them around. Scum who does what the town says is as good as town.

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vote dgb

I'll unvote you if you post a decent amount of content.

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Holy money what if it's me?

Can I un fos myself?

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UnFoS: Wall-E

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FoS: DragonsofSummer

FoS: DragonsofSummer

FoS: DragonsofSummer

FoS: DragonsofSummer

This game is degenerating into a science experiment.

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I'd agree, except we do need to know something about the environment we're trying to play in. If you feel that my experimentation is somehow preventing you from scumhunting perhaps you can offer some content?

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I have an idea that may hurt scum. I tried to do it last game, it's a mass roll name call. But only this time, how 'bout it be just from what show/book/whatever everyone is from? This way, if scum have the same powers as last game (falseclaim/safeclaim), it will make it harder for them to fake claim.

Opinions?

I think what you're suggesting is that the town give a flavor claim. The problem with this is what if one of the people who claim is a cop who's role name is a sheriff (like that sheriff from Eureka)? The scum will have a better idea what role some of us are.

I vote no.

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No, he's just suggesting we claim the series (or whatever) that our role comes from. So, in that example, just Eureka.

I can't see how that would aid the scum, but I also can't see how it aids the town.

If that's the case, then I agree it seems useless. Still, who knows? It might end up helping a lot. I'm down, provided EVERYONE agrees to do it.

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SOMEONE's vote has stuck on me. I'm concerned that one of us has a permanent vote. I'll be more concerned if we discover that it stacks, meaning one person could vote six times for someone and get them killed.

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Ok, I admit, I am the double voter. I am not claiming my role name or place of origin though, so I can disprove scum counter-claims. Pretty much this is how it works: My FoS counts as a vote (It is also not counted in the FoS count). Now, let's get back to scumhunting

I'm dumb sometimes. Ignore me.

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Hi. Why are people voting for Dripping Goofball?

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Hmmkay.

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For the record: I don't advocate lynching DGB for inactivity. I'll keep my pressure on him, though.

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Would you mind being more clear?

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Origin claim vote results:

Wall-E YES
iamausername YES
Battousi YES
DragonsofSummer YES
Natirasha YES
dahill1 YES
MafiaSSK YES
Jebus YES

If you agree and are not on this list, vote very soon.

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Origin claim vote results:

Wall-E YES
iamausername YES
Battousi YES
DragonsofSummer YES
Natirasha YES
dahill1 YES
MafiaSSK YES
Jebus YES
Cyberbob YES
Malthusius ?
Dripping Goofball ?

If you agree and are not on this list, vote very soon.

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Is malthusis a noob or does he always play strange or what?

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I. Can't. TAKE IT ANYMORE!

*grabs a shotgun and backs into a corner*

YOU ARE ALL MAFIA HAHA HA HA HAHAHA HA HAH ha ha hahah hahahahee hee heh.

*shoots self*

*thump*






Aw crap I'm still alive. Well since I can't escape this game I say we play it. Everyone drop the mechanic conjecture and let's treat this game as if it were a regular game of mafia (except we will obviously still watch out for really strange stuff)

Malthusius has made enough of a strange move to warrant a

vote: malthusius

until he can explain his comment in post 175 to my satisfaction.

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My win condition is that I win iwth the town; I am not a member of any kind of anti-town informed minority or a serial killer.

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...are you actually going to wait for someone to ask "Why?"

...

Why can't you do that?

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My win condition is that I win with the town; I am not a member of any kind of anti-town informed minority or a serial killer.

My win condition is that I win with the town; I am not a member of any kind of anti-town informed minority or a serial killer.

I hand-typed that both times with no errors. I don't know why I missed the typo, but good catch.

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Malthusius has made enough of a strange move to warrant a

vote: malthusius

until he can explain his comment in post 175 to my satisfaction.

This is still my pony until I get a satisfying explaination.

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DGB's request makes sense to me. As none of us know the rules of this game I feel it's a great stab in the dark. I wholly approve of the sentence posting...

Natirasha's post about not winning with the town seems scummy but (WIFOM of DOOM!!!) it might mean she's actually a jester or lynch-guesser... (the lynch guessing role I'm thinking of: Nat would pick a target each night. If her target is lynched three times she wins independently of the town)... who knows. It was a really strange thing to say. FoS: Natirasha and I'll unFoS her if she explains.

Unvote

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DGB is not asking for any of those things.

Vote: DragonsofSummer

I'll unvote you when (and only when) you post the sentence as DGB wrote it.

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I'm just a strange fellow.

I'm not voting to lynch, I'm voting to pressure. There is a subtle difference.

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Dragons: Think what you like of me. I already told you how to get my vote off you.

I agree with DGB's idea 100% and your refusal to post a simple sentence (lie or otherwise) is alarming to me.

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It is what it is.

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The origin claim: I will not reveal my origin unless EVERYONE has agreed to do so. I volunteer to go first once everyone has voted that they WILL go through with the claim.

Natirasha: I buy the origin and flavor of Nat's claim. I'm fairly sure he might be scum, but at least he's telling the truth (sorta/maybe).

DGB: I don't completely buy the lie-detector ability... it seems like that would be a very very very broken thing to have in a game. I will

unvote

to keep DoS alive longer so this discussion can blossom a bit. I still want DoS to post DGB's sentence and might revote him/her anyway after said discussion.

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Origin claim vote tally:

Wall-E YES
iamausername YES
Battousi YES
DragonsofSummer YES
Natirasha YES
dahill1 YES
MafiaSSK YES
Jebus YES
Cyberbob YES
Dripping Goofball YES
Jebus YES

If you agree and are not on this list, vote very soon.

I'm against it. I'm sure scum will claim my role name.( Hopefully they'll do it in the mass name claim).

Just a guess, but someone here, Battousai, has been given a character whose origin is Fullmetal Alchemist.

This claim hasn't even started yet and it's giving us all kinds of data to sifth through. DGB didn't make it any easier (gotta break a few eggs to make omelettes) so I say we discuss these various things before commencing to any lynches.

The Issues as I see them:

1: Malthusius acting weird and refusing to claim origins because the "mafia will claim my origin."

2: Jebus acting weird and guessing origins.

3: DGB's lie detector claim.

4: The origin claim itself.

5: Wall-E being the worst mafia player ever.

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Ok, that's the second time someone's gone ahead with the claim before malthusius agrees to claim first.

confirm FoS: DragonsofSummer.

I will vote for the next person who claims before malthusius.

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er, the next person who claims before malthusis agrees to the claim... he's the only person who hasn't so far.

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People who have already role claimed should go last.

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malthusius, and at this point i think he should claim straight-off

remember it's origin not name or role or whatever

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I can get behind that. I forgot malthusis was the doublevoter.

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Would you mind please restating them for the record?

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I agree with Natirasha's list.

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Ok, I understand now. But I would still like everyone else who has claimed a power to go first. Then after they go, I'll go since it was my idea.

Why? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Those who have already gone a step ahead and roleclaimed should be last to flavor origin claim because it will allow them to call BS on people.

Do you disagree? If so, why?

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Wall-E every time I start to feel better about you being town you go and post something like that. For the rest of the town who is hopefully sane, lynching me today would be a terrible idea for reasons I am willing to discuss if I have to.

You're assuming I was trying to get you lynched.

And this:

vote dgb

I'll unvote you if you post a decent amount of content.

Mission accomplished. Go me.

And pretty much your over all blind following of DGB when all she had done was tell everyone to post a sentence. If what she is saying now is true, I find what you did extremely blatantly scummy, and it looks very much like trying to latch onto a townie.

Call it what you want. I saw DGB's request as completely harmless, while the flavor claim wasn't. I've been a part of flavor claims that stopped halfway through because the town wasn't in agreement over it in the first place and wanted to avoid that situation in this game.

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The way the lie-detector thing was presented it sounds like DGB is claiming he can tell whenever someone is lying. Is that not a super-broken sounding role? That's why I'm suspicious of the claim. I have no problem at all with the execution of DGB's plan as I highly doubted such a power existed and still sorta do.

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Call it what you want. I saw DGB's request as completely harmless, while the flavor claim wasn't. I've been a part of flavor claims that stopped halfway through because the town wasn't in agreement over it in the first place and wanted to avoid that situation in this game. - Me.

So you don't buy his claim because he did it before everyone agreed? Confirm vote Wall-E - You.

Wait, what? What the hell are you on about?

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No, you are making things up and claiming I said them or implied them. It's called a strawman. Read my posts again carefully. I flat out deny ever saying the following, or implying it: I challenge you to quote me on it: you don't buy his claim because he claimed early

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Quote me. Quote me quote me quote me. I can't defend against your imaginings.

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I think I see the problem. I was talking about two different issues in one post.

I discussed my feeling that DGB's claim might be fake because of the fantastic nature of it.

I discussed not wanting to see the flavor claim get aborted because not everyone agreed to it before it began.

Nowhere did I say DGB's early claim was fishy FOR BEING EARLY. I did say it was fishy.

So now that I've shown you that you are misinformed, will you unvote me?

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Could you state for me the other reason you are voting for me?

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On a wii right now, hard to type. I'm from The Abyss.

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DISAPPROVE HAMMER! It was an interesting plan, needed discussion! Bad scumhunting town.

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DoS should claim now for "not paying attention" (scummy)

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Ok, apologies to you DoS. Hard to read thread on tiny tv.

NOBODY HAMMER jebus plan may work. Let's hear from DGB!

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You two stop fighting like cat and dog and quote your points pls.

Cyber's attack justified if you did hammer, DoS, /imo

Cyber's attack on jebus also justified. Jebus made several scummy posts and is IC enough to know better. /imo

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let the healing begin

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Someone's a fake voter?

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UnFoS: DoS

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The question of whether there is mafia or not is immaterial. The only sane thing to do is assume there IS mafia and act accordingly.

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@Battousai: "Condone" means "approve of."

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In what universe is it scummy to condemn a wagon that goes to L-1 in six hours? I want to hear from both the accused and the rest of the town before we hammer Jebus. That's all I was saying.

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I'm not hammering or voting Jebus right now. I think we thought we already had lynched him and then it turns out we didn't. I think I'll read the thread again, if you'll pardon me... *page 1 click*

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Original Roll String: 1d15 (STATIC)

1 15-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

woah i just had a good idea
we don't really know too much yet about Tar as a potential player, but how about this:

instead of a lynch, we get the scummiest person to vote for Tar. if nothing happens, then we proceed with the lynch. if the person is daykilled, then we can possibly continue the day?
what do you guys think about that?

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Really liked this idea, and what's up with tar's random dice string thingy?

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I like the idea...after the first day. I mean, we don't have much reason to continue the day today.

Can you elaborate on that? I think what you're saying is that you have a lynch victim in mind. Is that correct?

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@Nat: I'm down.

Also @Nat: I didn't blindly follow DGB. I played along to see what he was up to. I believe his claim (I guess), but don't like the insinuation that just because I did what DGB asked me to do means I'd do absolutely anything that anyone asked me to do. As I said at the time, I saw 0% harm in posting the words and 100% wanted to know what was going on.

I also denounce the idea that there was anything scummy about

anyone

following DGB's instructions for the above stated reasons.

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I agree with Natirasha that we SHOULD lynch SOMEONE just to find out how many it takes. We might be facing a deadline situation though... something like when deadline hits the highest vote amount dies... time will tell but we need more information NOW!

MIND SCREWED CONGRATULATIONS TAR

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Speculation isn't scummy. Baseless speculation is. It will be a question of finding out if DoS's speculation was legitimately a problem or not. I think not, but I've been wrong many, many times before. Let's just leave it at "DoS suspects Cyber for X reason" and see what happens from here. I think at this point the two of you are getting WIFOM-ey.

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Oh.

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I'll gladly test that theory.

You'll vote for Tar to find out if it's a lethal move or not?

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Your offer sounds like deflection to me.

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Good enough for me.

Vote: DragonsofSummer

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Woah, for clarification DG: Are you saying DoS is mafia or just scummy?

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Unvote

until DG answers.

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Ok, so she has to test each night and we are still on day 1, correct?

I'm low on opinions at the second. This game is hurting my mafia sensibilities.

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I don't think it was revealed so much as implied... we have yet to actually witness night or otherwise end the day...

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Woah, for clarification DG: Are you saying DoS is mafia or just scummy?

What's the diff?

Someone already answered for me, but I was asking if you were sure DoS was MAFIA or just acting like a scumbag. It's been pointed out to me that you have not had a chance to use your power yet, so you just think DoS is scummy. Is that correct?

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Can we continue with the origin claim? I'm starting to think everyone's forgotten it.

Jebus should go if he hasn't yet. I'd like to see DGB's origin last. iamausername, Cyberbob, Battousai, malthusis... several others we haven't even heard from in a while...

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To keep Jebus in the game (though he's my second scumpick right now) I will

Vote: DragonsofSummer

, even though DGB never answered my question ...

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Can you point out what the "idiocy" is?

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Wall-E [is one of the] scummiest so far.

Can you quantify this a little for me?

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I think the best reason not to do something someone asks you to do in mafia is precisely because someone's asking you to do it.

That having been said, I saw (and still see) absolutely no harm in posting a sentance. But that's me. I tend to jump into things head-first.

DoS is clearly a more suspicious person (in this game, anyway) or perhaps just more careful. I think it's good to have a mix of personalities in a mafia game.

I, too, will

unvote

because DoS' defense satisfied me, and for reasons listed below.

So now it's back to Jebus I turn, with a half-eyeball on dahill1 for his assertion that I'm scummy.

@Wall-E: No one has anything on me except the fact that I chose not to post DGB's sentence without a reason to do so. That is IDIOCY at its finest.

Ok. I was trying to unbalance Jebus' wagon. I request that people post more thoughts on who's evil.

Here's my CURRENT list, which changes almost everytime someone posts, so it's mostly fluffy:

dahill1: He pops in after lurking for a while and accuses four people with no backup points. He also opportunistically took advantage of Jebus' bad plan to lynch DGB and added momentum to the bandwagon against him.

Battousai: I think she's town. She made a point that I was being opportunistic with my denouncement of the hammer, but in fairness I didn't know it was a (supposed) hammer. I was typing on a Wii and couldn't read any numbers on the tiny tv screen, so I saw five names and thought "Oh, L-1 and I can't even barely play right now." I decided to try to stop further such shenanighans with my post. Battousai's post was a protown sentiment.

Jebus: He seems like he's enthusiastic and a bit quick on the trigger, but overall seems town with the exception of the post where he claimed to know someone's flavor with no claim as to why.

Cyberbob: Been a little quiet. Otherwise has good logic. Leaning town.

DragonsofSummer: Despite feelings of OMGUS I agree there's nothing really to pin on DoS aside from being a stubborn player, which is sometimes a very good thing. Leaning more town, for reasons stated above and here.

DGB: Has claimed, clearly banking on us having a doctor. Why does he think there's a doctor? If he is a lie-detector I think he made a bad decision to roleveal. I'll follow DGB's lead until she proves herself a liar. Recommending the Doctor (if we have one) protects DGB for the rest of the game.

And the rest are scummish for not posting often enough for me to form an opinion.

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Wall-E [is one of the] scummiest so far.

Can you quantify this a little for me?

basically, your incessant following of DGB in practically every post
there are probably some other points but im about to shower so im lazy atm

Why is that so scummy?

can you not see how this is scummy?

DoS is still alive????

Good enough for me.

Vote: DragonsofSummer

You just went up a click on my scumometer.

Why would you disbelieve a roleclaim automatically on day 1? Go along with the claim until DGB paints herself into a corner. This is, and always has been, my policy on a town power-role claim this early in the game.

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dahill1: He pops in after lurking for a while and accuses four people with no backup points. He also opportunistically took advantage of Jebus' bad plan to lynch DGB and added momentum to the bandwagon against him.

ok i admit i had been lurking, but mainly due to RL stuff. also, the people i had been accusing are the ones i've been accusing the whole game (with the exception of maybe DGB).

what do you mean by took advantage of Jebus' bad plan

? of course i attacked Jebus because it was incredibly scummy. just because i attack someone who is repeatedly scummy doesn't mean i'm taking advantage of them. and yes, i do want Jebus lynched because i believe him to be scum

You just went up a click on my scumometer.

Why would you disbelieve a roleclaim automatically on day 1? Go along with the claim until DGB paints herself into a corner. This is, and always has been, my policy on a town power-role claim this early in the game.

To answer the bolded question: I mean that Jebus, at the time, claims to have made the assumption that DGB had already tested all the sentences and knew exactly who the scum were. Jebus was proposing that we then lynch DGB after he posted said information to prove DGB's information true. It was a silly plan, but equally silly a thing for scum to suggest, so your vote was opportunistic.

i never said i disbelieved her roleclaim. but even if DGB is telling the truth, how could she 100% know who scum is without even receiving her result yet?? say a cop claims on Day 1, and he thinks so-and-so is scum. that doesn't mean that the person is automatically scum.

DragonsofSummer: Despite feelings of OMGUS I agree there's nothing really to pin on DoS aside from being a stubborn player, which is sometimes a very good thing. Leaning more town, for reasons stated above and here.

While I agree with you, I was still under the assumption (thanks to DGB) that DoS was a good target for today's lynch.

with a half-eyeball on dahill1 for his assertion that I'm scummy.

im p sure this is the definition of OMGUS

Indeed.

Ok. I was trying to unbalance Jebus' wagon.

why?

Jebus: He seems like he's enthusiastic and a bit quick on the trigger, but overall seems town with the exception of the post where he claimed to know someone's flavor with no claim as to why.

Being unable to force anyone else to unvote, I decided to offer up an alternative in the form of someone demonstrably more scummy than DoS.

Have I answered all of your questions to your satisfaction? Please ask more if not. I am always willing to answer all questions posed to me.

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And the rest are scummish for not posting often enough for me to form an opinion.

I find this hard to believe.

Oh,

FoS: Wall-E

. Your last few posts have slowly increased my perception that you are scum.

What do you find hard to believe?

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Being unable to force anyone else to unvote, I decided to offer up an alternative in the form of someone demonstrably more scummy than Jebus.

Had to fix this sentence.

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And the rest are scummish for not posting often enough for me to form an opinion.

I find this hard to believe.

Oh,

FoS: Wall-E

. Your last few posts have slowly increased my perception that you are scum.

What do you find hard to believe?

Am I a lurker?

You are a person on whom I lack an opinion at this time. I guess I should have said that, but when I draw a blank on someone I sometimes think "Trying to stay under the radar, hey scumlord?" I conceed that it might just be because you've done nothing that particularly stands out, though now that you've said this I will be reading all your posts right now.

[Wall-E]

DGB I hope you test Dragons tonight.

[Wall-E]

DGB: Who did you think Natirasha was buddys with?

[Wall-E]

LET'S KILL THE MOD!

(ponders)

j/k don't kill me tar (but srsly wouldn't it be an epic bastard move to play a mafia in the game you're modding?)

[Wall-E]

I've got sort-of an idea. We lynch DrippingGoofball now. If he's really a lie-detector, we've got our list of mafia/townies, and we can go from there. Mindscrew is the only type of mafia game where a lie detector role even sounds partly plausible >.<

Personally, though, I'm not convinced completely.

unvote: DragonofSummer
Vote: DrippingGoofball

IMO, this is the scummiest thing Jebus posted. It's not quite enough to warrant my vote, but it's one of the scummiest things done in the game so-far.

"I agree that DGB might be a lie detector. I don't think he is one, I'm going to vote for him."

I hear it at the bar sometimes and it always baffles me;

"I think that girl is probably awesome. I think she might be a lesbian, I'm going to hate on her."

[Wall-E]

iamausername (0)
malthusis (0)
Jebus (6) - Cyberbob, iamausername, dahill1, DragonsofSummer, MafiaSSK
dahill1 (0)
Cyberbob (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
DragonsofSummer (3) - DrippingGoofball, malthusis
MafiaSSK (0)
Natirasha (0)
Wall-E (0)
Battousai (0)
Tarhalindur (1) - Jebus

Either 1: We need 7 to lynch (or more? wtf?)

Or 2: Someone is a fake voter (their vote doesn't count toward lynch total)

OR 3: Maybe we lynch through FoSing?

Or 4: I don't know what else, but there is probably something I'm not thinking of.

[Wall-E]

There is also the possibility that malthusis' FOS looks like a vote but is actually an FOS.

[Wall-E]

I'd assume we need more than [7] for a hammer.

Why would you assume that?

[Wall-E]

5 + 4 + 1 + 3 = 13

5 vanilla, 4 power roles, 1 mod, 3 mafia?

[Wall-E]

Wait, nm. That's how many votes we all have between us.

[Wall-E]

Jebus, I keep asking you questions and you keep ignoring them.

And you keep jumping to weird conclusions in light of more acceptable options.

iamausername (0)
malthusis (0)
Jebus (

5

) - Cyberbob, iamausername, dahill1, DragonsofSummer, MafiaSSK
dahill1 (0)
Cyberbob (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
DragonsofSummer (

4

) - DrippingGoofball, malthusis
MafiaSSK (0)
Natirasha (0)
Wall-E (0)
Battousai (0)
Tarhalindur (

1

) - Jebus

Not Voting (

3

): Battousai, Natirasha, Wall-E

[Wall-E]

Battousai: "I'm from Neon Genesis Evangelion."
Cyberbob: ------
dahill1: "also, for origin claim i'm from Alice in Wonderland"
DragonsofSummer: "As for my origin claim, I Sigmund Freud from real life."
DrippingGoofball: ------ (Claimed Lie-Detector)
forbiddanlight: DIED WEIRDLY
iamausername: "My role comes from Battlestar Galactica."
Jebus: "@Wall-E's request, I'm from

The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya.

"
MafiaSSK: "My orgin claim =Neon Genesis Evangelion."
malthusis: ------ (Doublevoter claim)
Natirasha: "I am actually Tarhlindur, From Real Life."
Tarhalindur: "Sorry Jebus, God is only a part-time job."
Wall-E: "I'm from The Abyss."

You're up, Cyberbob.

[Wall-E]

Natirasha name-claimed needlessly >(

[Wall-E]

Any time I type a sentence including the word "Jebus" and end it with a symbol that looks like this: "?" that is called a question. If I have to post all of them twice because you can't be bothered to read the thread I'm going to have to say "Holy pancake of leprosy, why are you playing this game, Jebus?" (hint, that was a question) You seem to be the laziest player in this game, judging by your constant one-line posts, so I'm wondering, why did I defend you and condemn a hammer of you? What use are you to the town?

[Wall-E]

I'd assume we need more than [7] for a hammer.

Why would you assume that?

[Wall-E]

Since almost everyone has origin claimed, I guess I'll do so. I'm from Full Metal Panic.

I really wanted you to go AFTER Cyberbob. That way you have a chance to call BS on his origin: It's the premise behind our origin claim, and I'd rather everyone had stuck to the script. Too late now.

@Battousai: I... uh, wha? Does anyone agree with Battousai that I'm messing up the thread with posts? I do feel like I'm an overposter rather than an underposter. I'll lurk more if that's what the town wants. I think he's saying I should condense my posts more, but I don't really plan them, I just sorta say whatever I'm thinking at the time, so it's hard to do that.

[Wall-E]

I disagree. I think it's best for those who have roleclaimed to go last.

[Wall-E]

Battousai: "I'm from Neon Genesis Evangelion."
Cyberbob: "I'm from Real Life."
dahill1: "also, for origin claim i'm from Alice in Wonderland"
DragonsofSummer: "As for my origin claim, I Sigmund Freud from real life."
DrippingGoofball: ------ (Claimed Lie-Detector)
forbiddanlight: DIED WEIRDLY
iamausername: "My role comes from Battlestar Galactica."
Jebus: "@Wall-E's request, I'm from

The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya.

"
MafiaSSK: "My orgin claim =Neon Genesis Evangelion."
malthusis: "I'm from Full Metal Panic." (Doublevoter claim)
Natirasha: "I am actually Tarhlindur, From Real Life."
Tarhalindur: "Sorry Jebus, God is only a part-time job."
Wall-E: "I'm from The Abyss."

You're up, Drips.

[Wall-E]

I disagree. I think it's best for those who have roleclaimed to go last.

Why?

So that they have as many chances to call BS on other claims as possible. I see roleclaiming as > flavor claiming.

Can you help me see this the other way?

For future reference, Wall-E has violated no rules with this post. - Tar

[Wall-E]

malthusis, please stop saying weird things... it just confuses and annoys me. Be clear and say what you mean or just be quiet.

If that's some kind of a claim, I'm going to have to hear more now.

FoS: malthusis

and possibly a vote tomorrow if he/she doesn't clarify post 495 to my satisfaction.

[Wall-E]

Oh.

UnFoS

[Wall-E]

Vote: Natirasha

[Wall-E]

For the record: Are you sure of Natirasha, DGB?

[Wall-E]

Thanks for the clarification, iamausername. Sometimes I miss very obvious things... I'm not very subtle.

@Battousai: I was assuming DGB scanned Nat scum. Since he did not (according to iamausername's interpretation of post 504, which I agree with) I will

unvote

. You still disbelieve DGB's claim... do you have a reason to do so?

[Wall-E]

I disagree. I think it's best for those who have roleclaimed to go last.

For the mostpart, I agree, but in this situation, DGB essentially fed us a line and has started lurking again.

I'm going to keep this post in mind. It's a good point. I hadn't considered how easily DGB can just sit back and "confirm" people while we scramble around lynching anyone he fingers.

Any thoughts on the above quoted post, DGB? You've been giving this game very little attention, imo. Is there a reason?

[Wall-E]

This is a side-topic, but anyone know (or have an idea) what a "Temporal Artist" is?

[Wall-E]

I pick 1 2 and 3.

[Wall-E]

I have two reasons to believe him.

1) In my opinion*, a mafioso wouldn't commit to such an atrocious roleclaim on D1.
2) I tend to go along with roleclaims until the person who made the claim proves themselves full of it.

*My opinions are the only right ones.

[Wall-E]

I suppose some middle ground here might be to say that if DGB is scum it would be hard to disprove her without her confirming someone as scum. Still... I'm going to believe DGB until I'm shown a better reason not to.

[Wall-E]

Oh great way to let the scumtell out of the bag.

[Wall-E]

I don't honestly know what you mean.

I'm assuming the scum didn't need to be told they could talk to each other outside the thread, since that's what scum DO.

[Wall-E]

Tar: I unvoted Natirasha when he answered my question.

I thought you had UnFoSed for some reason (hence both vote count errors). Oops. Fixed. - Tar

[Wall-E]

I disagree. I think it's best for those who have roleclaimed to go last.

Why?

So that they have as many chances to call BS on other claims as possible. I see roleclaiming as > flavor claiming.

Can you help me see this the other way?

For future reference, Wall-E has violated no rules with this post. - Tar

Nobody demand a roleclaim from anyone. It's the only thing I can think of that comes close to a rule infraction and I buzzed that cornfield with this post. Just trying to prevent another weird modkill.

DoS: NP it happens.

[Wall-E]

-

FOS: Wall-E

for some seriously dodgy handling of his vote. His explanation for it feels kinda forced, but that's a gut reaction and I don't like voting based purely on my gut (as it has been proven more often than not to be incorrect).
- It will be interesting to see how this all-daytalk business affects the game.

I admit it was awkward for me, also. I went into today hoping DGB found scum (for two reasons) and when he said "Let's kill X" I instantly hopped onboard. Sorry about that.

[Wall-E]

Right. 22 page readthrough. Here goes.

/confirm

EBWOP HI GUIZ

- Rules infraction from Tar.

Original Roll String: 1d15 (STATIC)

1 15-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

The very next post was the first votecount. Therefore Tarhalindur chose his target by die roll. We all assume it's for the vote.

dahil1 came up with the brilliant idea I saw the first time I read this thread. In retrospect, it didn't work, but it was a good idea at the time, and worthy of praise.

I have to reset my silly D1 trap. Those of you who know me know I love game theory, so I had to try the idea to see what would come of it. Cyberbob reacted unremarkably.

Natirasha /confirms and then immediately retracts the confirmation. I dismissed it as a simple reading comprehension mistake (lord knows it's easy to mistake "in thread" for "not in thread", we've all left letters and words off of things before, and though I've yet to do so with my role PM, I can understand it happening), one I can see myself doing,

BUT

...in retrospect it looks like he might actually have been SUPPOSED to confirm in the thread and retracted to make it appear he hadn't. Only one other player did this: Battousai.

I spring my silly little trap when Cyberbob jumps in, and we discuss it. I decided later it would have been better to see if a third or even a fourth joined it, but since it WAS day 1 I didn't really expect a bandwagon to start up, and decided to take my small attack opportunity. Cyberbob again handled the situation evenly.

I make the amazing prediction that an FoS may count as a vote in this game. I turn out to be right (thanks for noticing).

We discuss the secret voter and decide to out him/her. Malthusis claims doublevoter. After this the town kinda muddles about with the rules, trying to probe the environs, as it were.

I'm accused by DragonsofSummer, whom DGB recently confirmed (and then Nat confirmed HER), not for the first time, but for the last time by her, of not reading the thread. (HI DOS)

Jebus does some really weird origin guessing. Temporal Artistry?

malthusis claims that the mafia will claim his origin and he'll have to counter-claim, indicating strongly that malthusis is a valuable power-role.

Nat demands a claim from malthusis.

Malthusis is probably close to caving when Nat does the scummiest thing she can. She refuses to post a lie-detectable sentence, then roleclaims third-party non-sk who's ambivalent toward the town's victory condition.

I stick to Malthusis throughout, never getting an answer.

Scumbaggos? I hardly think the fact that I am unwilling to post your sentence word for word proves anything, even more, I think it proves that the people willing to post it look more like desperate scum than anyone else does, and on top of that

vote DGB

with the amount of effort you have put into a certain other game I am in with you I know you are a better player than the amount of effort you have put into this game. And since you are playing so radically differently in the two I lean towards you being scum in this game for reasons that should be obvious to you (the reasons pertaining to why you are town in the other game).

DoS mentions another game and isn't modkilled. I'm just bitter about High School mafia.

I make the comment that Natirasha's weirdness can be explained if she has some kind of third-party win condition.

Natirasha claims Survivor after DoS mentions it.

DGB FREAKING CLAIMS, ruining her role forever and then posts the following:

Alright guys, I cracked the game for you.

Today we lynch DragonsofSummer - it's not humanly possible to be scummier, but it's nice that he's still trying.

Hopefully we have a vig that can take care of Natirasha or Jebus tonight. Whichever of the two that survives, lynch tomorrow.

I'm almost surely going to be nightkilled so this is going to be a short game for me. It'll all be in your hands after that.

Analysis to be continued after these messages.

[Wall-E]

Natirasha name-claims.

malthusis advocates a vig of Nat. He also posts a pro-town bit reminding everyone of how many votes DoS has on him/her.

I post saying how I believe Nat's claim. I was thinking with my balls on that one (how not to live your life reference ahoy) and might change my mind before the PBPA is over.

dahil1 mentions that he believes Nat's claim and that he might still be scum. Kinda a wishy-washy post.

DoS finally posts DGB's lie-detection sentence. He also name and origin claims. iamausername points out that the claim is ORIGIN ONLY.

Dahill: My WinCon is survive until endgame. However, I have much more useful abilities than the Star Child last game.

I finally 'win' the argument that those who have roleclaimed should be last to origin-claim when Natirasha posts the order he believes the origin claim should proceed; me first, malthusis last, DGB right after me. I agree to the order, as does malthusis.

In post 294 DoS establishes the context for our in-game relationship for the next few pages.

Jebus makes is infamous "Let's kill DGB" post. I fall for the premise, not knowing what a Lie Detector's ability actually does. DGB had previously posted "Well, I just broke the game for you town." and I for some reason assumed it was possible she already knew who the scum all were.The Jebus bandwagon comes to a head, then DoS starts to come under suspicion.

In post 328 DGB reveals exactly how her power works. This is when I start to doubt DGB, but not as much as I hope she's for real. I continue to support her.

It becomes suspected that the game is nightless, as several roleclaimants reveal that their powers respond at the end of each day.Natirasha derails (in my perception) the bandwagon on Jebus at last with post 349.

In 355 I ask a question and Natirasha's response seems strange. I can't quite put my finger on it, so I sit on the thought until now.

Natirasha seems suspicious after this and upon a re-read I have to say, it's a doubt that lurks in my mind even still.In 356 Nat bloodthirstily states that we should continue with the lynch. Survivor is a rather sub-par roleclaim, Nat.

This fight happens between Cyberbob and DoS:

I am not accusing you of anything. The timing of your post was awkward, I am not calling it scummy.

If it truly means so little, why do you keep repeating it? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I make post 366 (which I'm still proud of) which says:

"Speculation isn't scummy. Baseless speculation is. It will be a question of finding out if DoS's speculation was legitimately a problem or not. I think not, but I've been wrong many, many times before. Let's just leave it at "DoS suspects Cyber for X reason" and see what happens from here. I think at this point the two of you are getting WIFOM-ey." - Wall-E

Jebus offers to vote for Tar to test the "ooh scary mod" theory.

Chapter 2 complete. On page 16 now.

After these messages we'll be right back.

[Wall-E]

I just reached the part where Jebus died. He's not the Temporal Artist. Just dumb, it seems.

[Wall-E]

I already mentioned this, but recently Natirasha claimed a second power, the ability to detect either a certain role or check for any role he wants. I'm not sure which. I assume it's like a randomized rolecop: He's told a role the player doesn't have rather than a role the player DOES have. Open to suggestions on this one.

DoS accuses me again of not reading the thread. (HI AGAIN DOS)

I post all this. Not really sure what to make of things, but my #1 right now is

Vote: Natirasha

, for the occasional weirdness discussed above.

[Wall-E]

The End of the PBPA.

If you read all that you're half as bored as I was.

[Wall-E]

Wall-e, who did you think was most pushing to see who is the doublevoter?

Me.

[Wall-E]

And, yes, each day, I may target someone and see if they have a certain ability.

What makes you think the mafia have a fake claim ability?

[Wall-E]

Hm. I think your power might be better spent looking for the mafia's standard nightkill ability, but I won't presume to try to tell you you should do that if you feel confident. I WOULD ask the mod if the nightkill ability would be revealed by your scan.

[Wall-E]

'Nother question. Why didn't you confirm DGB for us?

[Wall-E]

'Nother question. Why didn't you confirm DGB for us?

What do you mean? Yesterday, I sent in the investigation. I got the results at the beginning of day two.

You had ample notice that DGB was claiming something potentially helpful to the town. Why didn't you change your target?

[Wall-E]

Just a hint. It might be a good idea to

Vote: Wall-E

. Why? That's up to you.

Wait, what?

Hmm.

Vote: Wall-E

[Wall-E]

malthusis, put your secondary vote on me.

[Wall-E]

MafiaSSK: Can you give me an example of a time I tried to find out who the power roles were?

[Wall-E]

I'm lynched, I believe.

Weird.

Go town!

[Wall-E]

Answer my question first, Nat, if you please.

[Wall-E]

I'd also like to hear MafiaSSK's answer.

I will full claim before we lynch me, but I'm pretty sure we've got some time yet.

[Wall-E]

All questions have been answered to my satisfaction.

Mafia: Yeah, that was a special case.

Natirasha: Thanks. You're still my #1, though.

I'm at L-1. Whomever hammers me is making a protown choice in my opinion, provided they wait a few real-time days so we can discuss things further. In fact, I'm going to take away the hammer possibility in order to let the town still make a lynch later today. Muhahaha, I'm so smart.

My role: Vanilla. Sorry, nothing special about me, though there was something in my role PM that caught my attention, and I've been watching all game for somebody do say "Grob."

Grob. Grob. Grob.

The above is part of my role PM, directly quoted, word-for-word.

It's the last three words in the PM. I still have no idea what it means. Hopefully it means something to someone.

Go town!!

[Wall-E]

Good game. I wish I'd noticed that rule about being permabanned... didn't see that one. Also wishing I hadn't suicided.

ITT it was a bit unfair to have players speaking through the mod who appeared to be dead to the town, unless it was unbiased and possible that the Mafia could also be made into "ghosts"...

Great game Tarl. Sorry I cheated. Wouldn't have done it if I'd known.

[Wall-E]

I felt so much stress when Tarl started telling people to vote for me that I felt it would be better to suicide... then Tarl told me what was really going on and I was all GRAAAAH! HULK SMAAASH!

[Wall-E]

you only had 100 characters?

why/how did you suicide?

[Wall-E]

The Seventeenth Vote Count, vote count name: Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (STFU Navi)

Navi: LISTEN!

Link: *baseball bat to the head*

Navi: ~gurgle~

[Wall-E]

Good game, Natirasha.

Good game, Tarhalindur.

Sorry again about the rule breaking, I wouldn't have done it if I'd known we can get banned from future games! Otherwise I'd be pre-inning right now!