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[Pretentious]

For most of the first section, I'm roleplaying Jonah from Superstore, the character from my avatar. Or at least a Mafia-ized lazy version of it, so that's why a good amount of those early posts are wtf.

The "I don't know the setup point" is moot. I got the gift of gab, and would use my informed minority advantage to be able to see what type of game this is, and thus being able to claim and start creating setup spec abuse and manipulation, so clearing that part up.

I will always attack play, if I attack a player, it's because their play is weak.

I'd make people cry too much if I started attacking players on a non play basis, and I don't wanna make them cry, I want them to rage at me.

[Pretentious]

anti town moves can be townie.

[Pretentious]

and that attack you noted wasn't an attack, it was a fact.

I'm in heel mode hard this game.

[Pretentious]

anti town moves can be townie.

scum are typically afraid to make anti town moves in general.

[Guillotina]

anti town moves can be townie.

scum are typically afraid to make anti town moves in general.

Well.. yah, but.. town making anti-town game throwing moves get them banned.

[Guillotina]

My vote for now is VOTE: Nero Cain

[Guillotina]

I feel like with a large number of experienced players in this game we should eliminate a an inexperience lurker day one. with the player pool there is likely to be a larger number of experienced Town than experienced scum. And I feel it is just a matter of time until we weet out the scum.

I have no problem with this. Let's get Non Imh.

How is a low poster lurker going to give us any info with his yeet?
What if that slot is a town PR

Im not voting here, if you want that lurker gone request a prod.

[Pretentious]

anti town moves can be townie.

scum are typically afraid to make anti town moves in general.

Well.. yah, but.. town making anti-town game throwing moves get them banned.

Been here 7 year.

I also would argue it isn't game throwing at all, and actually game propelling.

Look how much good it did. So many avenue and threads to analyze.

[Gamma Emerald]

i've been pushing absolutely nothing lol

me saying something is not me pushing

So what you’re saying is, you’re throwing shade. I got that right?

[Pretentious]

i throw hands

[Pretentious]

and swords zoom zoom

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Consider Guillo a triple voter.

[Pretentious]

If he is scum he did the most with those ISO's, I think he's town who has correct reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

If anyone thinks that quickhammer was bad for this game, we got 40 pages of amazing insight and analysis stringing from nearly me alone.

You are welcome.

But what if it WAS really the hammer? I’d like to refer everyone to Pink Ball’s sig, because this is definitely a case where the potential for disaster far outweighs the current “benefit” of reality. My general practice for doing generally anti-town things is it has to have a DEFINED reason that I’m doing it. If I were in an open setup and believed my role to be the most important element to the setup, I might quickhammer someone without a claim knowing nothing would sway me enough to dissuade the lim regarding any claims.
But that’s not the case here for sure, given Boon has hard claimed VT at this point. If he really was VT, why does he think his own existence is more imperative than an unknown role? And there’s no wiggle room for a claim of awareness of the wagon state given he’s affirmed quite emphatically that he didn’t know entirely what was going on. He put the life of a potential PR at risk as VT for no reason than to fulfill his urge to quickhammer if he is town. That just doesn’t sit right with me. I am strictly utilitarian about my gambits and lies as town. I try to think about the deep ramifications of what I’m doing and what the consequences are when the ruse is dropped.

Lies, pranks, and jokes all exist upon a scale that measures deception, with jokes being the most benign form of deception and lies being the most treacherous. Jokes are brief falsehoods told to make light of a funny contradiction or just lift spirits. A short term gambit such as a low-stakes fake guilty attempt, or the Mason fakeclaim gambit I suggested in a recent normal is at about this level.
Pranks have a somewhat longer lifespan, but still have the big reveal as an integral part of the ploy. I would compare this to a fake innocent result on someone in a situation where your role wouldn’t allow it but thanks to a partial claim you can pull it off with the knowledge that upon your flip, the jig is up. Imo this “prank” level of deception is the PERFECT level of deception when doing serious gambits as town, as it persists for a solid enough timeframe to make an impact, but doesn’t make you an ass once it’s revealed. That fake inno gambit I referenced? That was a real play I did. My intent was to get people to stop trying to Lin a player I had never had real cause to SR, and it worked! Obviously I had to reveal it in massclaim that I was not being truthful, but as that point I had averted the potential miselim, giving a full return on the investment of social capital I had made.
The final step, the lie, is a very bad thing to be trying to pull off as town. A lie in this context is a falsehood told with little to no intent of retracting it in time to not do severe damage to the gamestate. Fake guilties as town fall squarely into this region, and is why I’d never entertain them unless I intended to pull the rug out well before the critical moment. In that sort of case if falls closer to a prank, since the short timespan resembles a joke but the severity of the move brings it right into that middle ground.

The issue with Boon is he doesn’t seem to adhere to ANY of this. His entire MO seems to be to act anti-town in ways entirely reckless and harmful to town, in order to build a refuge-in-audacity character and permit himself to make such brazen move as scum. It should really be quashed, as town one should never need to outright lie in order to get their way, ever, and one should never have to smear their townplay to such a degree in order to play a good scum game.

[Pretentious]

we would have just had this day phase after the night phase with more information, i would have likely drawn an investigation or a vig shot, which both would be fine because it screws over scum's ability to misfade me.

It would have been better if it did go through. My mistake was trusting Nero's vote count to be accurate.

My town game was like this far before my scum game.

I'm super truth ful as town, even if I fake claim.

[Pretentious]

The issue with Boon is he doesn’t seem to adhere to ANY of this. His entire MO seems to be to act anti-town in ways entirely reckless and harmful to town

point out 1 lie that isn't a fake claim, please.

And this is yet again an opinion.

I am reckless by personality, this is shown in my scum games as well. But I put the mental effort into knowing Mafia Theory at an extreme high level, I get to play how my personality thrives in.

[NorwegianboyEE]

we would have just had this day phase after the night phase with more information, i would have likely drawn an investigation or a vig shot, which both would be fine because it screws over scum's ability to misfade me.

Why are you saying that drawing a vig shot on yourself because of your scummy play is a good thing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And don't give me this "i am doing a next level play, you're still a weak player" nonsense.

[Pretentious]

we would have just had this day phase after the night phase with more information, i would have likely drawn an investigation or a vig shot, which both would be fine because it screws over scum's ability to misfade me.

Why are you saying that drawing a vig shot on yourself because of your scummy play is a good thing?

I wasn't playing the game at the time really, and I'm VT. I was the definition of a solid Vig shot, and scum don't want LHF to be vig shot because it takes out misfade options.

[Pretentious]

And don't give me this "i am doing a next level play, you're still a weak player" nonsense.

you gotta learn how to see past this. maybe in a few years.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm the leading wagon as town. I get to be cranky.

This doesn't happen for me often, let it go, I'm one with the wind and snow.

Hrrrmm.

[Nero Cain]

just so everyone knows but the reason Boon is acting the way Boon is is b/c he wants to soak up attention and night actions to keep it/them off of his buddies.

[Pretentious]

just so everyone knows but the reason Boon is acting the way Boon is is b/c he wants to soak up attention and night actions to keep it/them off of his buddies.

faaake

[Pretentious]

I was also referring to earlier in the game, so that's such a forced statement.

[Pretentious]

for incredibly generic reasonings.