Explosiva Mafia - GAME OVER

[armlx]

This discussion of why we would give bombs to someone who doesn't have one can't lead anywhere good.

[armlx]

Why? It's just meta stuffz. And I'm sure with this group, the scum have plenty of meta knowledge between them already.

Sure, but the issue is less meta and more possibly revealing good scum lines of action.

[armlx]

What you you mean by "we?"

We as in the people being asked who they would give bombs to if mafia.

[armlx]

I don't like Bat's feigned ignorance.

[armlx]

I think the scum gave the bomb to DGB randomly, and probably for giggles.

This statement is blatantly ignorant of the real reasons to give DGB the bomb which have been restated many times.

[armlx]

Do you just want me to echo what everyone else said?

Its better then saying something blatantly wrong and dumb, effectively making your post irrelevant.

[armlx]

They become a bomb.

[armlx]

The above post is lulz.

[armlx]

Voting = good.

Vote Batt

[armlx]

Citing IIoA on page 4? Really?

[armlx]

If you really think about it, the best option today is to blow up somebody not contributing-unless somebody actually acts scummy. That's the only real case i can give for not killing me. lol

Bad BM, suggesting policy lynches? On D1? With no deadline?

Or give it to armlx, because I'd like to see him dead.

BM's last post isn't bad, I'd also like to add why he felt the need to commit the "OMG, X is dead!!11!!1!" tell too.

[armlx]

killing a lurker isn't what i'd normally call a 'policy lynch'. Killing YOU would be a policy lynch, sure. But killing a lurker is merely a way of minimising risk on Day 1.

And minimizing the effects of analysis and the information gained from attacks/responses/wagons.

[armlx]

It hasn't been asked before.

It was answered in the first 10 posts of the game....

[armlx]

Again, you asked a question that had already been answered.....

[armlx]

I agree with DoS and Coron, except I'm not sure a really strong experience player is in the scum group for reasons that if discussed would probably just direct scum "kills" better.

[armlx]

What do we have to gain from killing a lurker in a few weeks?

[armlx]

'find out'? You think by asking the town how the scum behave, we will get a 100% indication of why DGB was picked?

On top of that, do you think we'll get any response other then what has been previously stated?

[armlx]

rofl. So, that means the scum could be anybody...except you. amirite?

And me

I endorse the first paragraph of Coron's 131. And this.

BM post all this shit in one post, Please, I'm tired of seeing three of your posts right in a freaking row.

M4yh3m, lynch all lurkers fails as a lurker is more or less a random lynch, with random odds of being scum, which people who can be analyzed have odds that shift one way or another.

[armlx]

It's not random if you analyse all the other players carefully and decide they're probably not scum.

Near impossible D1.

Also, day one lynches are often quite random. I'd rather kill a lurker than an active player today.

Definitely false. D1 lynches are only random when people dick around and don't scum hunt until deadline.

DGB: Of those 4, I say Tar. Max or M4yh3m is probably better though.

Also, what info do we get from a D1 lurker lynch? None? And then D2, we have no info so..... back to step A of killing a lurker? Nice plan.....

[armlx]

. You seem to have neglected to mention that we will gain very little info ANYWAY due to the lack of a voting mechanism, and the fact the person deciding the lynch will be:

This is why we instate one. I thought this was already stated?

M4yh3m, we get less info on lurkers because if we policy lynch lurkers, its an argument of policy opinion, not opinion on the game state. Policy opinion is a lot easier to have as a null tell either way.

[armlx]

M4yh3m- You for wanting to lurker lynch so bad. I guess I should revise my statement on those 4: BM for the same reason.

[armlx]

There's more than one lurker though (currently, anyway) so we'd still have information from which lurker is chosen and which aren't.

Sounds loose.

I don't know; who's going to keep track of the votes? Not me, that's for sure.

Any volunteers?

[armlx]

why is wanting to kill lurkers bad?

Its looking for the easy lynch. Once the scenario arrives everyone looks decently town but them, then you kill them. Until then its pretty wasteful.

[armlx]

Sorry, what?

I mean it sounds like a plan with a lot of holes in it.

It seems less wasteful than killing active players.

Seems less successful too.

[armlx]

Oh yeah. Batts a good one too.

[armlx]

DoS is pretty much 100% right. He only forgot to yell at the LaLurks people and say Batt was scummy.

[armlx]

Hmm, I have some thoughts on Max that involve rereading Skitzer's 2 of 4.

[armlx]

Yeah, never mind the above post. Nothing there relevant.

[armlx]

I'd also like to point out to any scum listening that I'm utterly irresponsible and if I had a bomb I'd probably blow someone up within an hour just for looking at me cockeyed.

Mmmmm, pro-town WIFOM.

[armlx]

I'm not seeing Max as scum. Did I miss something? Any volunteers to try to convince me?

Him coming in, asking questions already answered and making dumb comments in an attempt to look active.

[armlx]

This differs from his meta?

As far as I know.

[armlx]

That was dumb.

Really. My first thought was that you were outlining his meta, I was waiting for your argument.

Do you think that is his meta?

[armlx]

FOS alvin

. Now THATS IIoA

[armlx]

I do support lynching lurkers early game... but meh.

(BTW, I probably won't be much help early game, I get better later on)

I like the contradiction. Though I realize the later is true to your play style.

[armlx]

So... its only though the random phase, and there was even not random stuff there?

Don't agree at all Tar.

[armlx]

I don't believe he's always so apathetic early on. I'm sure I read a game where he was helpful. Besides, it's not really hard to make content, unless you're scum. Just pour your thoughts and feelings on to the page.

He actually is, though his own awareness of his meta makes it into a null tell.

BM's last vote = face + palm. Clearly no understanding of hypothetical scenarios like Coron is talking about.

BM, lets say you think Player Y is town. Would you do something that made that player and yourself look scummy?

[armlx]

I could barely be bothered to read that as it was.

.......

And fl's last vote is beyond OMGUS.

[armlx]

You know, BM asked you to explain Coron's 'slip up'. Are you going to?

I did. I responded by asking him if he was town, and was confident Player Y was town, if he would do something that would incriminate both of them.

Hint: The answer is no.

[armlx]

I know the answer is no (unless you're distancing from a mason partner), I'm just not sure that answers the question BM asked.

It does, unless I misunderstand the slip entirely. From what I see, BM is attacking Coron for saying he didn't want to put suspicion on me or himself.

[armlx]

Is this in a good way or bad way?

Bad. There's no logic behind your vote, only OMGUS.

[armlx]

And I said as such, did I not? It's pure OMGUS for no reason. Felt like a good idea at the time.

Yeah, but votes without reason aren't good.......

[armlx]

What they are saying is that by not explicitly saying in that post that I was referring to a hypothetical in which both Armlx and I were scum, that I claimed scum with armlx.

Yeah... that's what I thought it was, but the sentence was obviously hypothetical.....

[armlx]

No, they generally aren't. But, it's not votes that REALLY lynch this game. It's DGB's whim, god help us all. It's not really as critical as it could be.

............

If we are using a voting system, we are assuming it means the same thing as it does in a normal game. The fact you are trivializing it does not help us at all.

[armlx]

To be honest though I feel that Tar is purposely pushing a mislynch on me because my meta shows it's pretty easy to do.

Your meta is based on your first couple of games of mafia, where a mislynch is always easy to push pretty much regardless of person.

And Bad idea mafia like 50 people could pull the trigger. Only one can here, and I know DGB knows it is in the town's best interest to follow the voting system unless we don't let the voting system do anything for us.

[armlx]

BTW, those in doubt of DGB being logic, I cite President Mafia, where she claimed she would be 100% vote following in her executions when elected (ignore the part where she false claimed to draw the scum kill).

[armlx]

If I was the King (bomb carrier), I would take out someone to avoid all this clutter, and was the most suspicious of the clutterers, BM. So, Vote:BM for cluttering the thread, accusing players (Coron) of something they did first (insults) and trying to lynch a player based on a hypothetical and twisting it into a scum claim.

Eliminating contributors for contributing = fail, especially since BM does this every game.

I think IIoA applies usually only later.

That's more or less a loaded question. As it implies that not answering the question is scummy, and answering the question would make you look like your trying not to look scummy.

Uhh, nice non-answer. Answering the question is definitely not that.

[armlx]

M4yh3m, its neither I'm pretty sure.

[armlx]

Shocked How can it be neither? I'm pretty sure that's a binary choice. He either is or he isn't.

M4yh3m, you said a denial, or that he is Stoofer. A "No comment" is neither of the above if he isn't Stoofer.

I don't like how Batt is trying to interrogate the confirmed townie. I don't like a lot of what he has done over all actually.

[armlx]

I'd actually say that interrogating the confirmed townie is a protown sign. The innocent have nothing to fear, or something like that.

What does this mean?

All I'm seeing this interrogation as is an attempt by him to either push his choice on his own, or to be able to play to DGB's likings and not be the lynch today.

[armlx]

Batt: Your question was clearly leading into a line of argument.

BattleModge, vote count please?

[armlx]

If what Coron says is correct, then i don't see why am i anything less than totally confirmed town. Very Happy

I don't think you understand what he is saying then.

Town will appeal to the Bomb-holder's intelligence, and will hope that logic prevails in that way. It is Scum who i would expect to be forced to rely on begging, pleading, AtoA and the rest.

I dunno about that. I think you are making too many assumptions here. The scum will use logic as well, but the later actions are scummy is the actuality.

[armlx]

Everyone who isn't voting needs to. Now. Info = good.

I don't understand what BM4yh3m is doing.

[armlx]

I actually don't care much about you 4 as compared to Batt and Max, BM.

And the BM4yh3m was a joke as to how you 2 are 100% agreeable with each other.

m4yh3m, Twomz's meta is actually true though. Riverworld was just a game with him as scum where he did it, there are ones where he is town.

Though obligatory

FOS TWomz

for disrupting the voting system.

[armlx]

I'm posting this in all my games. My computer power cord just broke again, same issue as last time. I'm going to be on LA for a week or two while I wait for a new one to arrive.

[armlx]

M4yh3m, i realize Twomz's play is flawed, and I think he does too, but lynching him for it is probably not the optimal answer.

Not much to say about the DGB list other then I think Coron is town and lurkers aren't good lynches.

[armlx]

So armlx... what are your top recommendations?

Batt is probably my top one, I don't think the fact he could incriminate himself more is a valid reason to not lynch.

Max isn't terrible either.

Crazy's last posts haven't been stellar, I have no objections there (unlike twomz this is not proven standard for him).

Tar was more or less a lurker lynch till his last post. If he wants to make that bluff, I say call it.

[armlx]

I still like blowing up Batt more.

[armlx]

What about you, DGB? Any last words of wisdom, foses or final requests?

2nd, plus also want an answer from Tar on this too.

[armlx]

I'm tempted to vote Armlx actually, because I've been reading through a game where he's scum and his scum meta is actually very similar to his town meta, so I'm nowhere near as sure of him as I thought.

Being unsure of someone's alignment is never a reason to vote them barring process of elimination scenarios.

Vote Batt

See yesterday.

[armlx]

Vote: Iron Man for the same reasons, and also he mega-lurked in that other game, and he was scum there.

Link plz?

[armlx]

Also, has anyone seen Iron Man's play as town?

In ongoings, it doesn't sound much different then what was referenced though.

[armlx]

Max is doing more and more of the same. Yawn.

[armlx]

I'm waiting for said reread to pass full judgement on Alvin.

And twomz's vote = lols.... Clearly you don't understand what I was saying about you. I said people were attacking you for a null tell, not that you are town like you are implyin with your vote for "buddying". And honestly, if you can't think of anything/anyone else after 26 pages of game play.....

[armlx]

Well, as we approach lylo, we reach a point where the townies know each other.

Huh?

[armlx]

Yeah, definitely wrong game.

[armlx]

Batt, the reason is that the connection is extremely strong going from the selector to the non-selected person, and not so much in the reverse.

[armlx]

Max, that's terrible logic.

[armlx]

BM, people who aren't voting are set as self voting.

[armlx]

He lurked out of the one game I was in with him where he was scum, but thats it.

[armlx]

HC, I didn't like how Batt entered the game with a forced opening post that made little real sense, kinda this game's equivalent of "Oh, it sucks the Doc died". Since then, he hasn't done much to instill confidence.

[armlx]

Armlx bases a whole argument against Batt on Meta and the first post

Where did I say meta?

Batt, I think Twomz is scummy, but a lot of it is how he normally plays and we will be able to distinguish a lot better whether he is or isn't in a day or 2. Note, this is different from what I disagreed with that was said about you earlier.

[armlx]

Armlx- You said you were waiting till he reread to have an opinion on Alvinz. What is your opinion now?

Can't say I'm floored, but its good enough.

[armlx]

Woah, where did DoS come from?

[armlx]

I appreciate the fact that you realize I'm town

Misrep. I realize your actions don't strongly suggest (just lightly) that you are scum, unlike they would for other people.

armlx: Now that I've explained my first post, do you think better of me? Worse?

The same. Its not an issue that can really be explained, and the real issue with your lack of response was going to be in what you did in response to the pressure. Your response dragged the game away from scum hunting, which is why I didn't like it, rather then any diversion from the point.

[armlx]

Alvinz actually gives decent game based reasons. Max relies on things like "townie auras".

[armlx]

You think saying that you're playing 'random' is a decent, game-based reason to suspect you?

No, he accused me of active lurking, not being random, if I'm reading correctly.

[armlx]

The two that caught my attention were Crazy and armlx. Both seem to be relaxing and watching everyone hunt for scum as they just pop back and relax,

Is what I referring to, and I agree with neither point.

[armlx]

Why didn't you defend yourself when Raider first posted them? Don't you consider his suspicions a threat? Are you in the habit of ignoring attacks on you?

They were pretty irrelevant.

[armlx]

Armlx, by post 684, you don't think Crazy has lurked and not posted much content. Correct me if my conclusion is wrong. If so, why?

Not terribly. The issue is this game is progressing so fast normal behavior is likely to look like lurking.

The bomb holder needs to blow me up.

facepalm.

Just saying this means someone HAS to at some point in the game.

[armlx]

Didn't Tar say something similar and turn out town? (Yes, he did.)

Yes, and there was a reason he was blown up for it. 1st off, layers and layers of WIFOM. Second, suicidal people are rarely mafia kills.

[armlx]

M4yh3m, the suicidal people can only have their alignment revealed via a lynch, regardless of how pro-town/anti-town their actions are. Now, what other group in this game falls under the same circumstances, and how can we reasonably distinguish the two while someone is acting that way?

[armlx]

The whole town falls under that description, surely, unless they get the bomb?

Actually, the option I was going for is mafia. The rest of the towncan have their role revealed by the "mafia NK" aka bomb.

[armlx]

but only a foolish member of the mafia would do something that got that reaction, pondering.

WIFOM.

[armlx]

EBWODP: To be fair, odds are that scenario would apply to K7 all game anyways. Also, now would probably be a better time to deal with people who are acting scummy in other ways to gain more info. He has to die by lynch at a later point however.

Also, what differentiates him from tar is tar used it as a defense to a larger attack.

[armlx]

Back track within 2 posts = fun.

Oh wait, vote is already there.

[armlx]

That seems dumb and restrictive.

[armlx]

Less restrictive than a normal deadline.

Hardly. You are restricting our choices without considering future events.

I would think the scum would want to give the bomb to lurkers who really dont know whats going on in the game, vs giving the bomb to someone whos a stronger player.

I'm now convinced K7 needs to die now/soon.

[armlx]

Can you elaborate? A normal deadline ends with someone being dead. This deadline ends with several people being in the running to die.

In a normal deadline, everyone is still a candidate the entire time.

Why?

Notice who has been chosen as bomb carriers.

[armlx]

We have DGB, a medium to high rate of posting player who is known for her implusiveness and not so much the analysis...

We have TDC, a player who doesn't post much but does provide fairly good content when he appears, with reasonable analysis.

TDC didn't post much at all D1.

DGB was expected to be random, except most people don't understand that as executioner she is actually very rational.

Both fall under exactly who K7 said he would give the bomb to.

[armlx]

Armlx, no scum team is going to have K7 pick the targets, so I don't think that's saying much.

Like I said, I'm not going to discuss this and direct the scum team any further.

[armlx]

Why are you not voting k7 if you think he's so likely to have chosen DGB/me?

Not sure about him dying today yet. If we lynch him, I doubt we get much info.

[armlx]

This advancing thing is stupid, and I hope everyone just ignores it in favor of a 2-3 week normal deadline.

[armlx]

My deadline(1): Battousai

More reason to vote Batt.

[armlx]

Do you think TDC's progression system favors scum? Or do you think she's sucking up to the confirmed townie?

Both?

[armlx]

Player A has 0 votes on him.

Elimination happens.

Player A does something really scummy.

Town then.... does nothing as he's no longer a possible kill?

[armlx]

How is it that agreeing with a method makes me scum

The method is pro-scum.

One, the SCUMMIEST people as defined by us are kept to the last round. Two, after today, there's another day.

My point is scumminess can change after a person was excluded in a previous round.

But why wait until the scum can presumably discuss how to get out of it, or other things get in the way, to attack a scummy action with a power backing it?

[armlx]

So you basically just vote people u cant get a read on?

Nice scum hunting.

Seriosuly WOW.

This. That's pretty backwards Twomz.

[armlx]

What do you want me to do? I'm not saying I don't have a read on him now, I'm saying that I will NEVER get a read on him... unless of course I am mistaken in who I think he is.

Read > no read.

Get one.

I assume that's the point.

[armlx]

Second, while I agree that TDC's method is flawed, keep in mind that DGB also gave the town a short list.

Her short list didn't auto-exclude everyone else.

[armlx]

Also, Haschael, why the hell does it matter what DGB did in context of this?

You got a read on K-7, Armlx?

Actually, contrary to what I said a couple pages ago, I think he is town (slightly) now, based on seeing him as scum not run the "give up" plan.

But my point was the fact Twomz doesn't have a scum read on someone else to go off of is telling.

[armlx]

Mind elaborating why when you come back DoS?

[armlx]

m4yh3m, Random 3

And its a weak example, so only slightly town as I said.

Weren't you the guy saying 'but it's Twomz!' every time I suggest this?

That was like 10 pages ago. I gave him a pass D1, D2.... less so.

[armlx]

Does protown-Twomz normally improve his game D2?

Some, the issue is more page 26 then D2.

[armlx]

If you think he is town he should not die regardless of how anti-town you see him play.

I came around to thinking he was townish after I made the he should auto-die statement, and K7's play is always not very pro-town.

[armlx]

I was saying that your questioning of DGB felt more like an attack than innocent questions yesterday when my reread. Not that you directly attacked her.

I think I said this yesterday.

[armlx]

Ok, not seeing a difference, but could you still answer the question on why scum would do it? How bout you armlx?

Because being scum puts people out of their comfort zones which makes them do rediculous anti-town things?

[armlx]

Armlx: Maybe my comfort zone is being scum? Maybe being anti-town to you doesn't mean there were ulterior motives?

Don't buy it. I've seen your play elsewhere, and in no way does it show a meta of scumminess.

[armlx]

A meta of scuminess != an enjoyment of the scum role.

No, but what he is implying is that his comfort zone, or his standard behavior, is scummy.

[armlx]

I thought he was implying he enjoyed being scum?

No, he was trying to counter my definition of why scum do scummy things by shit logic. Basically, he's trying to say he's not scummy because scum aren't scummy by nature.

[armlx]

That was useful Twomz.

Note, I'm going to actively insult every post you make until you actually post content. you have been warned.

[armlx]

the only reason you gave for it being scummy was that basically scum act anti-town when they are out of their comfort zone

That was not my reason. That was my response to you asking why scum would do that. Very different.

Its scummy because attacking confirmed townies is scummy.

[armlx]

Isn't something scummy because scum do it? So its scummy would mean scum would do it, which means there must be a reason scum would do it.

And I stated why, and your response was saying nothing was scummy (in effect).

Attacking confirmed townies is scummy as its basically trying to put suspicion on someone who should not be suspect.

[armlx]

Now how is this putting suspicion on DGB?

You are aggressively implying she is dodging the question.

[armlx]

@ All - DGB called Battousai very townly. What changed? Whats the case on him?

The same as yesterday.....

And why does it matter what DGB said?

[armlx]

Armlx- It matters because we can trust DGB's intentions, even if we can't trust her judgement, which is more than can be said for the rest of us.

That's pretty fail logic. Judgment fail is much more prevalent then intent differenced in mafia, and that's saying something.

[armlx]

Cop is probably a bad example there, but you are right.

This game deserves a full reread from me. I'll get to it this weekend hopefully.

[armlx]

Whatever. You don't want to listen to her, then don't. But I'm going to give what the confirmed townies say additional weight, because I can trust them.

More weight != 100% auto agree i my point.

[armlx]

This weekend isn't looking good for a reread by me. Monday probably though.

[armlx]

That was a rather fast change of opinion. I believe you were the mod of Random 3 so I would have guessed you'd have relied on any meta reads you had gotten there before you even considering having K7 get blown up. K7 was resigned to getting blown up until Twomz said he would never be able to get a read on K7. So now it appears he is not giving up since he is defending himself / responding to twomz Comments

I wasn't thinking in context of that game when I first passed judgment.

And that whole Twomz interaction seems standard for K7 to me.

[armlx]

Sigh, no reread tonight. I guess Crazy is fine, he hasn't really actively done much despite being called out on it a lot.

Unvote, Vote Crazy

[armlx]

Iron man hasn't posted on site since the 13th and needs replacement. Jex is a known lurker across the board, K7 is known to do exactly what he is doing here as I said. TSS is at least trying to post content. Crazy is only popping up when called upon and not posting content. That's the issue at hand here.

Blatant misrep of the issues at hand..... 1 more thing for the list of reasons Batt should be lynched by he won't be.

[armlx]

You did. You included Iron Man in the list (simply flaked) and TSS (actually posting content) in the list of similar people, when in fact they share no characteristics.

[armlx]

I never argued that Jex and K7 weren't lurking, I just argued that meta-wise that means nothing for them.

Everyone knows Iron man flaked before I posted that, so I assumed everyone knew he flaked and I expected an answer from you stating that he flaked and is the reason you're not voting him.

ORLY?

[armlx]

YA RLY!

Its just such a convenient thing to say that after the fact I call you out on it.

[armlx]

Then what was the point?

[armlx]

Crazy is pretty much pulling the definition of scummy lurking here. Posting elsewhere on site, saying he will post here and not, not a lot of content.

The lack of Twomz on the list is interesting, and I've already explained my discontent with Twomz, though I realize he does that early lurking thing a lot. The main issue with him is his pushing of a BS case.

[armlx]

2 words.

Self.

Preservation.

[armlx]

To me this just looks like "I reread the first ten pages, here's some bullcrap PBPA for you, look, I'm not lurking!" I'd actually be shocked if he does any more analysis past those ten pages, it looks like a stall to me, just saying "hey guys, i'm working on it, don't lynch me just yet!"

This.

[armlx]

Armlx is ringing my scumdar, his posting is really dull.

Do you have more then said example that's completely out of context of when it was said?

1 vote only too, multivotes leads to multiple wagons spiraling out of control at once, which is bad.

[armlx]

Personally I don't like it when people post long ass analysis. I know most scum can't be bothered, but they are just annoying to read.

Actually, the most scum can't be bothered isn't true, its just it actively hurts them to do so.

[armlx]

Alvin seems to be playing a pretty easy hand here with his QFT and vote hop.

Oh, and this.

[armlx]

BM is a lurker.

Epic lols.

I’d prefer Alvinz over Crazy. I think Crazy is crazy but not scummy at the moment.

What specifically makes Crazy's actions not scummy.

[armlx]

That is the first time that statement is true, where is BM, he hasn't posted for ages

He's kinda disappeared across site.

[armlx]

That, and he's asking for more time.... right before the deadline. Convenient.

[armlx]

Yeah, discussing whom you think is scum will help the scum?

No, that is not the intent at all. I'd rather not direct scum NK strategy was my point.

[armlx]

Yeah, I get ya. That comment was probably just a small annoyance from a past game (you know which one).

I don't off the top of my head, but I assume its ongoing by how you said that.

His tone of voice.

Elaborate plz.

[armlx]

His frustration and panic sound genuine to me and I think they are townie tells. Also, he's fighting to stay alive, and posting content.

Just because you have a tendency to be town when you act like that doesn't mean the same applies to everyone. Frustration and panic are just as genuine from a caught scum.

I agree with you on one thing though: Twomz wouldn't be a bad choice.

[armlx]

Yet, nobody voted him at the end of the day.

Such is the world of successfully lurking.

[armlx]

Still a little upset that I was bandwagoned mainly because I posted the first 10 pages of my reread before the rest of it. Ah well.

You were wagoned before that...

[armlx]

What else you got?

Explode: Crazy

That.

[armlx]

I promise tyranny, all option included.

I don't get it.

[armlx]

No, not that, the opinions part. Is that like where you listen to someone, then press the button that opens the trap door or releases the hounds or w/e?

[armlx]

Okay, town, listen up. You have a two week non-retractable deadline. On the 20th of October, I will kill someone.

3 is much more reasonable. Just saying.

Twomz is a good place to start though. I want to see what he has to say.

[armlx]

Huh? That's it? The suicidal "give me the bomb" thing?

[armlx]

Yeah. Because the bomb clears townies. A statement like spring's might ensure that he never gets the bomb, and he'll easily be able to explain that away with what he said about being a psycho-killer (quest que cest).

I don't think we are going to be lynching people on the sole basis of them still being alive though.....

[armlx]

Actually, this game is only (purely statistically with random lynches) supposed to be a 30.66% win for the town (see Numbers, Part 1 in the wiki).

And IcemanE is trying to based lynch decisions on pure WIFOM here. Definitely do not like that at all.

[armlx]

Since every misexplosion results in TWO town deaths,

Oh, like any other normal game?

just making a point.

[armlx]

Batt, my point was its the same (more or less) as vanilla 17-3.

[armlx]

Vote Twomz

Majorly unimpressed there.

I'm trying to figure out if Iceman is being awkward town (ie. Xyl Smalltown + Norinel's Demon King) or awkward scum (HS mafia)

[armlx]

SL, to answer your question, IcemanE and Twomz would be the top 2. Twomz has exceeded his normal uselessness (see Weather and Designer Mafias), and IcemanE for completely trying to mislead the lynch at the start of today, though its possible its just him being him.

[armlx]

Wasn't misleading the town, just suggesting a lynch. Plus, I was talking about it towards the end of day 2.

You were misleading us with WIFOM logic.

[armlx]

I don't see how armlx is scum by the way he attacks almost my every post.

I assume this is a typo.

I've attacked every post of yours I feel is scummy, more or less.

You cite 2 instances where you actually did something scummy.

If you think I am scummy for making a choice between the 2 top wagons when it was obvious my vote on you was doing nothing, that's different.

[armlx]

I endorse a deadline anyways at this rate. And a mass prod.

[armlx]

Coron has gone DEAD SILENT. This is a HUGE flip from earlier, and makes me nearly sure that BM-Coron was a distraction on the part of at least one. Vote: Coron

Holy shit, I forgot Coron was in this game.

[armlx]

This is getting lame.

[armlx]

I trust the mod to deal with the issue appropriately.

[armlx]

I really, really want to blow up armlx. What reasons do I have not to?

What reasons do you have to lynch me, versus say Iceman who tried to use WIFOM to manipulate the lynch in a scummy way today or Twomz, who basically is acting drastically less helpful then I know him as town (Weather Mafia) but about on par as scum (CKD's Riverworld Mafia)?

[armlx]

At this moment I'd also like to know since when did icemanE approve of an Alvinz death? When did that start and he even bring a case on that? He's was voting springlullaby and ain't even acknowledge recent stuff me and springlullably said about that matter. Wtf?

I concur.

[armlx]

Because you're acting dead on in my scum meta for you.

From what games are you drawing said meta? I don't remember any game I've been in with you as scum.

[armlx]

Sorry, didn't realize I was only allowed to read games I'm in.

Just wondering, as odds are your "scum meta" of me is due to reading a biased sample of games.

Hell, compare this game to Lover's Multiball or Xyl's Smalltown. I'm pretty sure those games contradict what you think you see here. Or Shaft.ed's Fat Camp Mafia or what ever it was, or PYP3.

I can see where you got that conclusion from games like Norinel's Eclipse and House Mafia though.

[armlx]

Compare Twomz's behavior here to the two games I gave as examples.

Or icemanE to Sensfan's High School Mafia (Scum) vs. The Eclipse and Xyl's Smalltown.

[armlx]

Weather Mafia and CKD's Riverworld Mafia.

[armlx]

Yeh, i like a Pokerface or an Armlx lynch. Both slightly suspicious, and the latter would be a very informative lynch. Coron can die too.

BM

Elaborate plz.

[armlx]

BM, you have explained 1 of your 2 suspicions you just threw out. Explain the other as well please.

[armlx]

BM: What kind of information do you expect to get from a Armlx lynch if he turns up scum? town?

This.

[armlx]

??

??

[armlx]

I didn't/don't understand what your last post meant

This = you basically said what my post was going to say.

[armlx]

BM is doing that thing where you advocate lynching someone whether they're town or scum, and that's not good.

I was actually waiting for BM to respond to my question and set himself up before I said this, but yeah.

[armlx]

And this is where I get to laugh at Jdodge, as I actually know exactly what he's drawing my "scum" meta from.