I do support lynching lurkers early game... but meh.
I like the contradiction. Though I realize the later is true to your play style.(BTW, I probably won't be much help early game, I get better later on)
English.Battle Mage wrote: Lol, point taken. But seriously. Wth are you smoking?
No, it's not scummy, yes people will ask me why I think that, then I'll explain why it's not protown for me to explain, then the person should drop it. Yes, that's you.Battle Mage wrote:you aren't listening. My point which you just aren't getting is that when you post what you think, and it leaves alot to be desired, it not only makes you look scummy, but it WILL invoke questions like 'why do you think that?'. And btw, the insult was ironic. So chill-ax.
I didn't coin the word queen in regard to DGB. Seriously. Well, the other stuff was just what I thought, next time I'll post lots of things that I don't think. At first I saw DGB's post as her pushing for blowing stuff up like soon, then I wrote the first part, looked back over the post, and saw that DGB's intentions seemed to be the same as mine.Battle Mage wrote:Evidently. But could you be a bit more subtle about kissing her ass? 0.o
'Queen'? 'DGB seems to be helping that along already', 'good work DGB!'
What are the chances of me saying something that is true as scum? Not 0, well in this case, it's actually literally 0, because if I'm scum, it's not true. But seriously 9/10 is not THAT optimistic, seeing that all I'm calling is that armlx is town, which has a default probability of what? 3/4s did you say? I don't feel like looking it up, but the number was HYPOTHETICAL, HYPOTHETICAL, HYPOFREAKINGTHETICAL. Do you know what that means? I'm pretty sure I'm not making up that word(well, other than the one with freaking in the middle). Also, even *I* am not taking what I'm saying for *granted* I merely think there is an increased probability that armlx is town. Also, if I missed any highly experienced players please correct me.Battle Mage wrote:Ouch. An insult that wasn't even funny. I'm very disappointed Coron.TheyYoutold me you were smart!
Those odds dont make for great reading. Assuming theres a 9/10 chance you're right, if town? I think you're being a tad optimistic. And EVEN THEN, the odds of your being right are only 75%. Not something id take for granted by any means. I think you just invalidated your own point. lol
Oh, you're right, it's all those princesses I keep locked up in my dorm room.Battle Mage wrote:No, that's not me. Either it's your imagination, or you just got a new playmate. And she's royalty.
as much fun as dying within a day of starting a game is(I held the title for most night one deaths for a year!), I'd rather get a chance to blow the shit out of someone.TDC wrote:I'm all for blowing up Coron.
First, now that I know, it obv changes, and the difference is around uh... 3 posts per game day(which is admittedly around 20%, yeah games were shorter back on the day).TDC wrote:He's well within his self-proclaimed scum-meta:DrippingGoofball wrote:Interesting choice, why?TDC wrote:I'm all for blowing up Coron.Coron wrote:On lurker lynching, on analysing around 2/3rds of my own games, which admittedly were mostly minis, I found that I have fewer posts per game day as TOWN, and more as scum.
Pretty much summary.forbiddanlight wrote:Interesting. A shame though, I don't get to see the ridiculous playstyle of DGB in action because you blow up today . So is there actually a voting phase? Seems kinda counter intuitive.
Pretty sure this is an in-joke.forbiddanlight wrote:Vote: Tarhilandur
*looks around surreptitiously*
Scum motive speculation.forbiddanlight wrote:Probably anyone who is interested in how chaotic DGB will be with a bomb in her hands.DrippingGoofball wrote:And who would do that???Battousai wrote:I don't have to worry about dieing in this game, cause I'm bulletproof
I think the scum gave the bomb to DGB randomly, and probably for giggles.
WHY THE HELL WOULD TOWN ASK THIS QUESTION WHEN IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL FOR SCUM? Also, setup speculation.forbiddanlight wrote:Speaking of which, not that it's really good play, especially D1, but for future referenceDrippingGoofball wrote:I sure would be interested myself. I'm already shocked with my self-restraint not blowing up BM. Very much out of character.forbiddanlight wrote:Probably anyone who is interested in how chaotic DGB will be with a bomb in her hands.Mod, can scum give a bomb to another scum or does it have to be to a townie?(has to be a townie IIRC)
I really don't like this explanation - town isn't the alignment that I associate with speculating about endgame.forbiddanlight wrote:Endgame purposes. I'm still working it out but there is probably a way for scum to force a win or something. Then again, I could just be insane.
forbiddenlight: Why would scum give the bomb to scum? The person with the bomb dies as well, I believe.
Summary.forbiddanlight wrote:Yeah, it's a suicide vig basically.
Okay, I can't blame forbiddanlight for being confused about IIoA when I forgot to add an explanation or link in the original post.forbiddanlight wrote:I lyk strawberry! YAY!
Anyway, moving along, what, may I ask, is IIoA? I mean, I know what it stands for, but what does it mean?
Hey look, Mafia theory! Isn't there something missing here? Also, nice work seeing exactly where the speculation is going to lead but not really doing anything about it.forbiddanlight wrote:Wow, lots of posts...so, anyway, I don't agree with lynch all lurkers. They are annoying, but it is pretty much random and odds are you are bombing a town body. I think speculation on who set up the DGB bomb is going to end up useless in the long run. Finally, is no one gonna tell me what Information Instead of Analysis voting is all about?
Mafia theory. Still something missing here...forbiddanlight wrote:Last I checked, a town body is a town body. The more town dead, the higher chance there is for scum win. So, they AREN'T completely useless.no, but it means they are completely useless, and may as well be dead.
... And more Mafia theory.forbiddanlight wrote:Well, duh, don't let them live to endgame. But no need to spend time on them D1. And plus, if they lurk too hard they'll get replaced. And no, the value of a town body is parity. The value of a town player is their vote and ability to hunt scum. There is a difference.Battle Mage wrote:actually, they ARE. lolforbiddanlight wrote:Last I checked, a town body is a town body. The more town dead, the higher chance there is for scum win. So, they AREN'T completely useless.no, but it means they are completely useless, and may as well be dead.
The value of a town body is their vote and ability to hunt scum. If someone ISN'T here, they are able to use neither. As town, they are deadweight, and won't get NKed, so we get stuck with them at endgame. As scum...well, theres nothing worse than allowing lurker-scum to survive the game... -.-
BM
Hey look, actual questions! An improvement! Pity the questions are for the all-but-confirmed town player. Also note the noncommital support for a BM nuke.forbiddanlight wrote:Soo, why are you considering blowing these 4 up? And I favor blowing up BM, but this might just be his play style.
Information...forbiddanlight wrote:Actually, I was gonna vote the mod. He just beat me to it. And then I half thought the vote for me was a joke :S. I dunno.
I really don't see any sign of taking a stand here, just summary and weasel words.forbiddanlight wrote:
I'm pretty sure i've played with you befo....oh. That was ANOTHER game in which i was blown up pretty much immediately as town. Rolling Eyes
Talk about giving yourself a get out of jail free card...
Which game was that, Bad Idea? Well, honestly, all I know is you apparently are a bit of a crazy player yourself. Most people I'd automatically be voting them for suggesting a policy lynch like Lynch all Lurkers...buut I still dunno with you. I still feel out of those 4 options blowing you up might be interesting.
Way to appear to say something while actually saying nothing at all.forbiddanlight wrote:Just sayin, if DGB waits a month, I will be astounded by her restraint.But if it's been, like, a month and we don't have anyone, I'm gonna push for a lurkersplosion.
He said 'towniest'. Not 'most stuck up their own asses'. And you missed me from that list.M4yhem wrote:True.DrippingGoofball wrote:If you want to be picked, make a list of the players you think are towniest, and announce that they are your shortlist for the 'splosion if you're picked.
I'll be blowing up Coron or Armlx.
rofl, surprisingly, i actually agree.DrippingGoofball wrote:That is very convincing.TDC wrote:He's well within his self-proclaimed scum-meta:DrippingGoofball wrote:Interesting choice, why?TDC wrote:I'm all for blowing up Coron.Coron wrote:On lurker lynching, on analysing around 2/3rds of my own games, which admittedly were mostly minis, I found that I have fewer posts per game day as TOWN, and more as scum.
I don't think it's possible for me to agree with this post any more than i do now. <3the silent speaker wrote:Posting and running to weigh in that I support Max, Battousai and Coron as explosions, more or less in that order, for reasons all already stated (Coron is a clear third, because of the volume and content of his posts); and that I think BM and M4yhem and Armlx are probably all town. Tar I have no sense of whatsoever.
Then, you are stupid for bringing the damn point up in the first place, because if you didn't want people to ask, as is kinda natural in this game, dont make vague statements about things it is anti-town to explain!Coron wrote:No, it's not scummy, yes people will ask me why I think that, then I'll explain why it's not protown for me to explain, then the person should drop it. Yes, that's you.Battle Mage wrote:you aren't listening. My point which you just aren't getting is that when you post what you think, and it leaves alot to be desired, it not only makes you look scummy, but it WILL invoke questions like 'why do you think that?'. And btw, the insult was ironic. So chill-ax.
There's no reason why it wouldn't be 0, given that there's no chance of you being called out on your comment, and hence, if you are scum, the lie can only benefit you.Coron wrote:What are the chances of me saying something that is true as scum? Not 0, well in this case, it's actually literally 0, because if I'm scum, it's not true.Battle Mage wrote:Ouch. An insult that wasn't even funny. I'm very disappointed Coron.TheyYoutold me you were smart!
Those odds dont make for great reading. Assuming theres a 9/10 chance you're right, if town? I think you're being a tad optimistic. And EVEN THEN, the odds of your being right are only 75%. Not something id take for granted by any means. I think you just invalidated your own point. lol
To change tack slightly- do you think it is really worthwhile to push an issue like this, which has the purpose of saying 'Armlx is town', as if that is some kind of revolutionary concept that nobody else could have even considered? And then, to go as far as to say it, and then not bother explaining... 0.oCoron wrote:But seriously 9/10 is not THAT optimistic, seeing that all I'm calling is that armlx is town, which has a default probability of what? 3/4s did you say? I don't feel like looking it up, but the number was HYPOTHETICAL, HYPOTHETICAL, HYPOFREAKINGTHETICAL. Do you know what that means? I'm pretty sure I'm not making up that word(well, other than the one with freaking in the middle). Also, even *I* am not taking what I'm saying for *granted* I merely think there is an increased probability that armlx is town.
You do realise, people like you and I are NEVER gonna get given a bomb. Because the scum are gonna have a list of players who will be good bomb magnets, and players who will be tough to get killed. Me and you fall in the former category atm.Coron wrote:"'Speaking of which, not that it's really good play, especially D1, but for future reference Mod, can scum give a bomb to another scum or does it have to be to a townie? (has to be a townie IIRC)'
WHY THE HELL WOULD TOWN ASK THIS QUESTION WHEN IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL FOR SCUM? Also, setup speculation." Actually it's really not beneficial to anyone. No endgame situation, no nothing. Also, having the whole town know if it did matter, would be good compared to him just messaging the mod with the question. I find this actually to be a small point in his favor.
Overall I have to agree with what you say, just figured I'd point this part out.
Because I don't want to kill you. Even when I'm dead, I'll be reading the game to see how y'all are doing and you will provide me with the most lolz.Battle Mage wrote: He said 'towniest'. Not 'most stuck up their own asses'. And you missed me from that list.
I violently disagree with your association. Endgame speculation is normal for town in my experience.Tarhalindur wrote: I really don't like this explanation - town isn't the alignment that I associate with speculating about endgame.
Lol, if i outlast you, then i'll be happy. Hell, if i outlast ANYONE i'll have done pretty wellM4yhem wrote:Because I don't want to kill you. Even when I'm dead, I'll be reading the game to see how y'all are doing and you will provide me with the most lolz.Battle Mage wrote: He said 'towniest'. Not 'most stuck up their own asses'. And you missed me from that list.
The way I read your argument it sounded like "Look, when I'm town I post less, so let's not lynch lurkers" (which actually implies that this is more than a specific meta on you, but a general meta).Coron wrote:First, now that I know, it obv changes, and the difference is around uh... 3 posts per game day(which is admittedly around 20%, yeah games were shorter back on the day).TDC wrote: He's well within his self-proclaimed scum-meta:Coron wrote:On lurker lynching, on analysing around 2/3rds of my own games, which admittedly were mostly minis, I found that I have fewer posts per game day as TOWN, and more as scum.
Also, part of this whole thing is my first game ever, which I had like 4 times my average posts per day, and ended as scum. Yeah, basically that arguement holds no water.
And now it's not even true forOn a more serious note, if I restrict it to games that ended 06 or later, which will eliminate the time when I was a noobish noob, the numbers magically reverse.
So, what was the purpose? Which of the lurkers did you want to save?So basically I'm using a meta of myself here as a sample "meta of person", I mean, not all people are the same, and I'm certainly not a typical scummer, but it's a start point at least.
It's not that I don't want people to ask. I do, really, but I don't want people to keep pounding their heads against a brick wall like you seem to be.Battle Mage wrote:Then, you are stupid for bringing the damn point up in the first place, because if you didn't want people to ask, as is kinda natural in this game, dont make vague statements about things it is anti-town to explain!
Say that instead of the actual statement I made, I just said "armlx is town". If one of armlx or me dies, it makes the other look scummy. This is known as a classic WIFOM situation. While on average you'd believe that I should try to clear my partner more anyway, some percentage of the time I should just incriminate a townie as scum, so I can still be right while being scum.Battle Mage wrote:There's no reason why it wouldn't be 0, given that there's no chance of you being called out on your comment, and hence, if you are scum, the lie can only benefit you.
At the time I posted it, I did not realize Dgb, Armlx, and I were the only very experienced players in this game. I'm also sure that armlx at least has some clue what I'm talking about, or else my reason for thinking armlx is town are completely non-valid. I've explained why I'm not explaining it.Battle Mage wrote:To change tack slightly- do you think it is really worthwhile to push an issue like this, which has the purpose of saying 'Armlx is town', as if that is some kind of revolutionary concept that nobody else could have even considered? And then, to go as far as to say it, and then not bother explaining... 0.o
oooooookay there.Battle Mage wrote:Christ...
BM
Well, I'm just saying is not unreasonable to think some people post more as scum than as town. This is not true of me currently.TDC wrote:The way I read your argument it sounded like "Look, when I'm town I post less, so let's not lynch lurkers" (which actually implies that this is more than a specific meta on you, but a general meta).
Oh, it's true for the me of the past, just not the me of the present. I don't see why the me of the present is any better to make generalizations from than the me of the past. I personally think using both would get us a better generalization that would apply to all players.TDC wrote:And now it's not even true foryourself.
I'm against just finding the lurkiest lurker and bombing them. I want to bomb the SCUMIEST person. I know this is a shocking concept. First let me define scumiest, because I think many people actually have a problem with this concept(and this is why lurking is such a strong strategy as scum).TDC wrote:So, what was the purpose? Which of the lurkers did you want to save?
Coron wrote:Say that instead of the actual statement I made, I just said "armlx is town". If one of armlx or me dies, it makes the other look scummy.
And I don't disagree. It is unreasonable to think most people post more as scum than as town, though (unless you can provide some numbers that are not solely based on your playstyle from a couple years ago). Lurking is not a town-tell.Coron wrote:Well, I'm just saying is not unreasonable to think some people post more as scum than as town.TDC wrote: The way I read your argument it sounded like "Look, when I'm town I post less, so let's not lynch lurkers" (which actually implies that this is more than a specific meta on you, but a general meta).
And yet you specifically pointed out the "I post less as town"-you, thereby generalizing without "using both".Oh, it's true for the me of the past, just not the me of the present. I don't see why the me of the present is any better to make generalizations from than the me of the past. I personally think using both would get us a better generalization that would apply to all players.TDC wrote:And now it's not even true foryourself.
You mean, like k7?So, the top most scummiest thing you can do is provide absolutely nothing to the game only making posts to say "I'm here" and stuff like that. People like that should be lynched VERY FIRST.
That, and that armlx is his partner :pBattle Mage wrote:Did you REALLY just claim scum?