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[Gamma Emerald]

Those who slaughter the innocent must be punished!

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VOTE: OutWorldER

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m curious to see what that is
How does it differ from RQS?

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Btw I don’t know if I feel good taking any OCEAN profile tests that I’m finding online
Can you link a good safe one frog?

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That doesn’t exactly sound like you rolled town in this game...

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By the way I think for Day 1 I want to try to townblock and have a group of voices I trust to bounce ideas off of

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NPOM why are you being an ass
Like, I think what frogster is trying to do is a decent thing to try. RQS/whatever he calls his thing isn’t always bad, I think certain types of questions are more salient than others. Why are you tossing out the whole damn set because you’re pissy he prefaced it with a personality test? I don’t picture you as the type to just mark RQS as a scum play on principle.

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Instead of being random the questions are based on things that will give us information for the rest of the game. My ideas are just theories but I can link to actual evidence to support my inclusions of these questions.

This is like, the real point of doing RQS outside of being an RVS substitute
So like, in essence I don’t feel like your thing differs from RQS in anything but name.

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OK where did u find this?

You seem to ask this to everyone that has done it at this point, but you’ve indicated you want the OCEAN profile to be done

before

the other questions. Why are you getting like this at people doing things in the order you want?

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No one’s gotten on you for not posting, what the fuck?

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Evasive doesn’t mean you’re dodging the thread, it refers to your response to questions thrown at you. You haven’t touched mine at all, so I’m inclined to agree with frogster.

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I had another question in that post. Here it is again, restated to fit the changed context:
Why do you think the 10 questions that are not based on the OCEAN profile are not worth your time?

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Personality test are always the worst part of a hiring process when you submit an application for work

That’s not an answer. The 10 RQS questions aren’t solely personality questions.
And in the context of a mafia game, reads immediately based on a person’s answers aren’t great, but what does have value is reads that factor in the personality of the player. You got pissy about your style being NAI, but when you share your personality with those tests, you let people now how you work on a basic level so they know what parts of your behavior is NAI playstyle stuff. After doing that, one can read someone factoring that in, toning down scumvibes that come from style but also finding where the person is acting outside of what makes sense based on their personality. I think you’re right about personality is not a reason for a scumread, but you’re using that to blow the whole deal out of proportion and dodge the entire matter, which seems like scum using a strawman logic to break down a valid idea.
VOTE: NPOM

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I think they would. Refuge in audacity/too-scummy-to-be-scum is a very common argument, so it’s likely scum would act assuming that might happen. I think the fact you’re the one trying to push that logic means it holds 0 worth.

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If someone manipulates it, sure. But I think it would be very challenging to manipulate your personality both as you state it and how you exhibit it. I think a good amount of the time the answers can become very good rubrics for how to handle players.
Self-meta also isn’t as problematic as you suggest, imo. Yeah I could manipulate my own meta with the sample size being monstrous, but I don’t think anyone is going to take that without a grain of salt. And what I personally tend to do self-meta-wise is I tell people I have tells that persist across games that can catch scum!me, but I leave it to others to actually figure them out, for two reasons. First, it provides an open-response way of reading me that while you may or may not hit the true tell, it gives people freedom to read me their way. Second, I actually tend to enjoy when people find those effective tells, so I want to provide them with the first step but let them come across the means on their own, that way the bond formed when they do feels more legitimate. I am probably one of the few people who enjoys being read well.

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I'd rather see what someone is like for myself than be told

Would you rather have to be told “oh that’s just my playstyle” after having invested in a push, or would you like to learn that upfront? I know I’d like the latter.

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So you think having to account for it wastes time? You realize you’d still need to do that once you get told later on, unless you just want to make bad pushes?

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I don’t know how but you finally managed to say something that works for me.
Why do you think the questions are a waste of time and lazy? I feel like the picture he’s aiming to generate, whilst dubious currently, does have a real focus based on the questions he is asking. Not all questions will be hits but the questions about lying seem like ones that may bear fruit down the line.

Also yeah I was twisting your words, but your statement didn’t seem sensible to me and the best way to call it out was to present an absurd concept.

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Do you have any other comments on events so far?

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Okay. What reads have you gotten out of it?

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I think the personality stuff could help, but that’s also a good point. I’ve kinda been feeling a mixed vibe from you, but that pushed me over the edge. I like you.

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Interesting that frog is there too for you but okay. I personally think it’s great.

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UNVOTE:
If we’re gonna do this let’s do it right.

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O 92%
C 21%
E 67%
A 69%
N 60%

I used truity for this by the way.

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1. When was the first time you played mafia and do you remember if you liked it?

I played it first at my very first Boy Scout Camp. I found it fun but the version we played was basic.

2. Why are you playing this current game of mafia now?

Good mix of people I know well and people I know not-so-well.

3. What is your favorite mafia-like game now? (including games like Among Us and Secret Hitler)

I currently enjoy Among Us but there’s one coming to Switch I’d like to check out, but I’d need a Switch.

4. How many people would you say you interact with offline on a typical day?

Less than 10, most of the time less than 3.

5. How many people would you say you interact with online on a typical day?

Several, I participate here and on other hubs of activity pretty regularly so a real number isn’t possible.

6. How often do you tell stories?

Depends what qualifies as a story. If you mean random anecdotes, all the time. But fictional narratives, almost never, I have ideas but I’m too self-conscious to stick them out into the world.

7. Do you think that lying is ever OK?

You’d need a good reason. It could be to protect yourself or to protect others.

8. Do you lie more often online than offline?

No. Online is where I’m free to be myself, offline I have to put on a facade near-daily.

9. How good are you at lying?

Both good and bad. My best lies are the ones that shield my thoughts and feelings.

10. Would you rather talk to someone in-person or online?

Probably in-person. It’s harder for a friendship to feel tangible when you haven’t really met the person.

This became a bit of a cascade of personal details, sorry.

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What do the numbers in the () mean in the vote count?

Those are post counts.

[Gamma Emerald]

I did not mean it in that way. My daily facade is definitely a personal struggle. I don’t want to dive too deep into it during a game, but PM me once the game ends if you’re still curious.

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Froggester reminds me of when i was much more eccentric and motivated as a player several years ago. I liked doing this kinda early game phscyo-analisis stuff as town. Unfortunately, outside of a few niche tells I dont think i saw much success with it. Granted, Im not that great a player. Maybe Froggser knows whats up.

I guess im leaning town on Frongking since he seems to really beiveile hes doing whats right for town. I cant say hard yes tho
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IM surprized how quickly Gamma took Froggester in with oopen arms since Gamma has tmk more experince using RQS as scum then using it as town. I feel like he'd be more wary of what Frgking was doing. :/

Frogster seemed to be trying to do it like you seem to do it, so I had a good vibe from it. In addition the RQS being more frequent from scum!me is really just dumb luck, most of the time I have the idea to do it well before I get my role PM iirc. I have actually suppressed myself doing it in some games where I rolled scum because some people just call RQS a full on scumtell so I want to spite the haters.

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By the way I think for Day 1 I want to try to townblock and have a group of voices I trust to bounce ideas off of

I'm not getting anything out of the personality testing. I think we should go back to this.

I consider this a clear stance of siding with NoPowerOverMe and I'm not sure how to word this but "weakening" Frogsterking and his unique approach to mafia. I'm not sure what to make of this at the moment and I'll have to continue thinking about it.

I’m not entirely a fan of this. I think Galron’s post was rather constructive, since rather than just downtalk frog’s idea, he also uplifted my own, so I think Galron has good motives rn. Also Galron seems to be limbaity from my last game with him, so I’d be wary of those pushing him.
VOTE: Amelie

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That’s a gross oversimplification of what he said

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My reason for it is I had a decent base for one in a game that recently ended and I want to try and use that strat again

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I've been trying to strike a balance between playing in a way that helps the town win and being individualistic. I think in my first couple games that was a challenge for me.

What does being individualistic mean to you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Iirc frogster has a habit of grasping at straws early game but his late game is noticeably better. I’ve only played with him once though, so take that with a pinch of salt.

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to see more from Trendl and a couple others before we eliminate you.

This is quite bold imo. You seem convinced you have the sway to get people to lim frogster, why?

[Gamma Emerald]

. i typically find scum more likely to lurk after submitting responses to the questions until somebody else gets the game out of the "random" phase. Usally because they both dont know how to move out of that stage naturally, and dont have the motivation to try.

I think this is a good evaluation of the idea behind it, at least for the short term “reading people directly off of responses” tactic

Btw about the activity read discussion, I think any scumteam worth their salt would have someone trying to get their foot in the door if the {Gamma, Grendel, Galron, NPOM, frogster} set is all-town
Amelie’s attack on the block kinda feels that way.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma @Grendel Is there any other game state that can be done on D1 that will make it easier for you to scum hunt in or that you have experience with in the past or both?

At this point I'm coasting a little bit and townreading Gamma and Grendel and then all the other high-range posters through proxy, minus NPOM who for my own reason I scum read provided there was one scum that made it into the town block.

I think if some of the lower posters directly engage with me that would help hone my reads more

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I think Amelie’s recent effort seems decent.
VOTE: bugspray
Let’s whack some weeds, shall we?

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda been distracted, I noticed someone asked me a question, I’ll get to it today in a few hours most likely

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VOTE: busy

I can hop on that wagon too

VOTE: outworlder

But this works better. Pressure isn't going to work on that slot I don't think and I would rather push against someone who is more probable scum

[Gamma Emerald]

. i typically find scum more likely to lurk after submitting responses to the questions until somebody else gets the game out of the "random" phase. Usally because they both dont know how to move out of that stage naturally, and dont have the motivation to try.

I think this is a good evaluation of the idea behind it, at least for the short term “reading people directly off of responses” tactic

Btw about the activity read discussion, I think any scumteam worth their salt would have someone trying to get their foot in the door if the {Gamma, Grendel, Galron, NPOM, frogster} set is all-town
Amelie’s attack on the block kinda feels that way.

I think Amelie’s recent effort seems decent.
VOTE: bugspray
Let’s whack some weeds, shall we?

Im inclined to agree with the first post after seeing her more recent posts. not sure why you are seeing her as decent (town?) currently.

I’m trying to lean into a certain aspect of my play, one that is straight up folly to talk about in plain English rn. Let’s just say I believe in giving people enough rope to hang themselves with sometimes.

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after my rice is done and I'm no longer distracteed by the physical sensation of hunter I will do a reread and talk about opinions

What the FUCK is Hunter

[Gamma Emerald]

lmao
Tbh I just watched the Monster Hunter movie so that was on my mind

[Gamma Emerald]

I have concerns but they’re not ones I can resolve by talking with you over them and they’re rather wacky

[Gamma Emerald]

I think your thread entry is a little concerning

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I saw two things that are pretty weak but do still worry me. Your entry trying to justify your absence felt off, and your status update about having started eating felt frivolous and worried about the perception of you beyond what feels normal rn
Are you a self-conscious person?

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I'm also most definitely not giving this game the energy it deserves

Is this for irl reasons or something else?

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s definitely valid. Any other spicy reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t recall any game with you where I wasn’t a replace in tbh
To me knowledge there was Ttyll mafia, Terror in the City, and maybe one or two I’m forgetting.

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I don’t think that was the time where I really had the gumption to drive stuff like I do now

[Gamma Emerald]

I checked your egosearch and it turned up 2 more games, game throwing UPick and American presidents
Iirc I deliberately toned myself down for American presidents, and gamethrowing I came in halfway through with a shit role

[Gamma Emerald]

I think this page says either Gamma or Luca is Mafia.

I agree with this post and happy to get either of those players.

Actually not Luca necessarily, it's more that I'm happy to eliminate Gamma.

Okay. Would you like to say why?

[Gamma Emerald]

idk what's wrong with post 312 but w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, so you think I already knew what was up there? I can say for certain I didn't. My question also feels like it was of a different caliber than the ones you cited there.

[Gamma Emerald]

She could have been demotivated for some reason (which was the truth), or just kinda lurky inadvertently

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Well I was just thinking about it and it's more questions which are kinda constructed in the following way -

"Why did you do this, is it for the

obvious reason that it obviously is

, or is there some other reason?

Just I've seen that twice previously now and picked up on it and both times it came from mafia.

And it's like you are correct that like it could have been that nothing is going on and they just realised they hadn't posted much or whatever, so I can think about that.

Fwiw I think you might be town for that, because while the act itself isn’t AI on a general level I think for a newer player like you, trying to use a self-made tell like this is a town-tell.

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*@gamma*

Isnt Trendel an older player then us? Wheres this stuff about them being newer coming from?

Oh. The mention of 2 newbie games and having never played with them before confused me.

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I could see Amelie and Bugs as partners.

I don’t know if I agree. My sense is you say this over Amelie speaking up around the time bugs got wagoned, but I switched to bugs after Amelie had a burst of effort.

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If im alive in the mid to late game and all the "null" reads in her list end up being town then Im gonna grant Amelie conf!town status. It'd be bonkers for a scum!Amelie to keep all the town players under the most pressure as just null reads, and hone in on players whole are more town read in general. This is more a note to myself for later. It can be dismissed if there is scum in her null reads.

This is quite scummy honestly. It almost feels like tmi to me.

That would be a pretty big TMI if so.

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I think I legitimately TR Amelie reviewing her posting rn. I had concerns about her timing of re-sorting the thread but her follow-up seems decently motivated.

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I could see any of bugs/LM/OWER being scum atm

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I'll wait to see how OWER responds, OWER is kinda limbaity based on past exp

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not convinced wagons on bugs or npom are worth pursuing atm. They're both cryptic early gamers. Bugs we can ring up, but I don't know that we accomplish anything by pushing to claim. Npom sounds like his claim will be mundane.

Sigh...

I guess I should move just to get wagons moving

VOTE: lunar

I don’t get the focus on claims but okay.

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Gamma, is there an issue with me being in the townblock that I'm not seeing?

I don’t see any that I agree with, but maybe people are disturbed by your repeated assertion that you belong in it. I think rather than repeatedly saying those outside the townblock are attacking you and claiming that makes it valid, you should mind the attacks less and just prove that you deserve your place in it.

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I could see any of bugs/LM/OWER being scum atm

Come do OWER with me then?

I'm still with him and trendall being my top two

I think the current landscape is good rn. I want to see how some people approach it.

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That is an interesting prospect, but not one I’m sure is worth fully entertaining rn. I myself have a hit-or-miss radar when it comes to wagonomics, but I’ll offer that I feel like I’m starting to hit more than miss these days.

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Tbh I did merely vote him because he was less active but I haven’t seen anything from him or anyone else that changes my mind

[Gamma Emerald]

I could see any of bugs/LM/OWER being scum atm

Come do OWER with me then?

I'm still with him and trendall being my top two

VOTE: OWER

well, ok. Your alignment should be telling after this

The cart coming before the horse on this kinda bugs me
Why does it feel like you are testing the waters on voting OWER, mom?

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I am leaning towards kicking Galron out(my opinion) because apparently he doesn't want to be in it.

That’s not exactly good reason I think
Do you legitimately think Galron doesn’t

deserve

to be in the townblock?

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What is making me paranoid of Luca personally is that I feel that he's playing very similarly to how i approach games normally (going so far as to also reinforce some things i find to be optimal play). It almost feels like its a long term effort to buddy me, or perhaps incriminate me if he were to flip later?

It is bit left field, and maybe even egocentric. But its certainly a thing i do feel.

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Pre-edit Ahh, I see. Thanks No Power.

I think hes town tho

I don’t think that sort of play is one scum legitimately attempt often. It could happen on accident but it requires high-level mindgames to legitimately try to replicate someone else’s mindset with that in mind imo
But I believe you’re towny for trying to call it out

[Gamma Emerald]

Why the first and third?

[Gamma Emerald]

My bad

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It was not done in malice so maybe you could chill and say something about the game?

bugs did have to deal with someone deliberately antagonizing them about their pronouns in another recent game
But I agree real content would be nice

Why the first and third?

They seem to lack a point.

Duly noted.

[Gamma Emerald]

Town: Frogsterking, Galron, bugspray, NoPowerOverMe
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, AGamblingPig, Grendel,
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Momrangal

I'm actually considering lifting Luca Blight because of his interactions with my scum reads being a good look but I'm going to hold off on that for a bit.

And how would that affect your Bugs read? Isn’t your Bugs townread based entirely on me being scum?

Town: Frogsterking, Galron, bugspray, NoPowerOverMe
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, AGamblingPig, Grendel,
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Momrangal

I'm actually considering lifting Luca Blight because of his interactions with my scum reads being a good look but I'm going to hold off on that for a bit.

And how would that affect your Bugs read? Isn’t your Bugs townread based entirely on me being scum?

I'm fine with moving that to null. I don't really have a strong read on them anyways.

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LM is there a reason you decided to switch to a vanity vote?

[Gamma Emerald]

Amelie what is your general process for forming reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

LM is there a reason you decided to switch to a vanity vote?

What do you mean?

You had consolidated with mom onto OWER earlier, but just now you voted Luca. I’m curious what your aims are rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I think multiple of the popular wagons rn have a chance to flip scum
So I think it makes perfect sense for me to ask about this rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: lunar martian
Might as well

[Gamma Emerald]

I voted you because I wanted to consolidate and thought you were an okay wagon, and your response to me felt a little shifty and needlessly bitter.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s an interesting rule to have
Can you elaborate why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Valid.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm frustrated. I'm getting deja vu from my first game where people thought I was Mafia but never really talked to me and then I died and I was Town and Mafia won the game because people ignored me.

Were your reads good that game? If not, why was people ignoring you an issue?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't particularly agree people have not been giving reasons for you being scum atm
but I'll look at that more closely in a bit, I'm otherwised engaged atm tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think your tendency to equate personality traits with scumminess is productive.

I don't like the lack of insight here, I think NoPowerOverMe is smart and picking this fight for a reason. I believe that even if NoPowerOverMe were town and just couldn't follow what I'm saying he would be able to communicate his thoughts with more clarity because communication is his strength (and listening is his weakness.) He's acting like both communicating and listening are his weaknesses, but really he's good at communicating and is being evasive at certain moments by pretending to miss the point or by being unspecific about his thoughts.

By the way I have drawn town 9 out of 10 times and that sucks because I love playing as scum.

Something feels off about this post.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I think Lunar Martian noticed something was off about NoPowerOverMe's post because they're super-conscious of being partners because it's new. Similar to my opinion of NoPowerOverMe's evasiveness and lack of clarity I find Lunar's description here about what he was thinking to be evasive in a way that also has a lot of potential to be AI.

I"m good with executing Lunar Martian, especially after that last paranoid post where he though Luca was talking about him. That sounds like a caught (and not paranoid town) maf.

hmmm... i was definitely considering the idea of Lunar just being nervous newer town that cant put words together under pressure. However revisiting his posts now i just feel like it very easliy comes from new scum that cant explain their pushes inthread. wheather is because the underlying motives are scummy, or if they cant fake content to blend in.

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Bug Spray i've cooled on a bit. Mostly because their paranoia of Scum!Luca is something I've been feeling more throughout the day as well. Also usally dont see scum make such a passive diversion when they are already getting heavily scrutinized.

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Trendel is still probably my strongest gut scum read, but i dont have to energy to really make anything happen there. It bothers me that Trendel has done net little today and yet their wagon never went past 2 votes tmk. I think claiming "this wagon has no traction therefore scum" is an overrated sentiment that i've been trying to move away from lately, but thats sorta how I feel about Trendel. :/

Also, Outerworld is scum lean still I guess. Im not sure about joining a wagon with Trendel/Momrangel tho.

these people have all presented reasons for their Lunar votes in the quoted posts. The only person who hasn't rn is AGP. I don't particularly distrust the wagon given this, but AGP should probably give a reason since he's pretty lacking in content rn

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It’s certainly better than some wagons I’ve seen. I feel like a remarkable amount of the time a large chunk of players on a wagon will fail to deliver on real reasons. The fact people are putting up in that regard may not make the vote look better, but it makes it more trustworthy.
And you have 5 votes, otherwise you wouldn’t have NPOM giving intent to E-1.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay no I’m stupid and forgot bugs voted
Yeah I don’t recall him ever putting a reason out for his vote

[Gamma Emerald]

their, SORRY

[Gamma Emerald]

bugspray - Not sure, no reason to kill them.

What makes you feel this way?

[Gamma Emerald]

When it comes to bugspray I really need to utilize the NB meme for them (picturing NBs as a cluster of bees is a common joke)

[Gamma Emerald]

I will admit my vote there was very cart-before-the-horse but I do also think bugs hasn’t acted in a really towny way at all, and some things from them come across as rather scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

When it comes to bugspray I really need to utilize the NB meme for them (picturing NBs as a cluster of bees is a common joke)

I don't understand any of this.

I keep mis-gendering bugspray and I was vocally expressing a potential solution for that problem

[Gamma Emerald]

I will admit my vote there was very cart-before-the-horse but I do also think bugs hasn’t acted in a really towny way at all, and some things from them come across as rather scummy

But why does that suggest that bugs is Mafia rather than just bugs has a different personality?

I think the issues I have with bugspray can’t really be explained away through personality issues. I agree their vote on you looks opportunistic, and I also think they only really started being active in response to pressure and the activity doesn’t seem to amount to much, compared to someone like Amelie who dug in and started solving in response to the pressure on her.

[Gamma Emerald]

Apparently there are 5 mafia and 8 town in the his game.

Lunas lack of town hunting is pinging me big time.

Why do you think 5 scumreads is characteristic of a lack of townhunting? Why do you think a lack of townhunting is scummy?

[Gamma Emerald]

wdym site meta WIFOM?
Also Luca’s slow burn to hammering is intriguing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Apparently there are 5 mafia and 8 town in the his game.

Lunas lack of town hunting is pinging me big time.

Why do you think 5 scumreads is characteristic of a lack of townhunting? Why do you think a lack of townhunting is scummy?

Because town try and find their teammates.

Not all townies do. And that only answers my second question, not the first.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
While the current gamestate is okay I do want to talk some more, so I’ll do this to avert a hammer.

[Gamma Emerald]

I personally find it much easier to work past pressure on me and sort other slots when I’m town

[Gamma Emerald]

*@all currently here*

Do you think that Luca is a player that 1v1's town as scum here in this context?

I think most scum hammers more more like a "swoop" then a "slow burn" (as Gamma called it)

Yeah the trepidation does seem pretty townie
I’ll probably look back on it at some point and think about my feelings on it after some time

[Gamma Emerald]

Apparently there are 5 mafia and 8 town in the his game.

Lunas lack of town hunting is pinging me big time.

Why do you think 5 scumreads is characteristic of a lack of townhunting?

Why do you think a lack of townhunting is scummy?

wdym site meta WIFOM?

Also Luca’s slow burn to hammering is intriguing.

I’d like answers to the highlighted questions

[Gamma Emerald]

5 scumreads| It's scummy because town win games via cooperation whereas scum don't. Town need to figure out who to trust.

That wasn’t the answer I wanted
Why do you think LM isn’t townhunting?

Site meta wifom| there was a post where he was berating us and asking to kill him because he thinks we were only voting him for lurking.

I don’t see how that translates to site meta WIFOM but w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

Was that in response to me?

[Gamma Emerald]

If you type this

Code: Select all

thing[sup]TM[/sup]

It comes out like this
thing^TM

[Gamma Emerald]

Yep.

That doesn’t work as an answer to the first part
Why are you dodging my question like this?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma

you looks really town to me rn. How likely do you think Lunar/NoPow/Luca?I are all town?

If you had to assign scum who do you think it is?

As a whole, I think the group is mostly town, the only weak links in that are LM and NPOM rn (LM is starting to grow on me rn, but NPOM seems off through my current line of questioning). I would say LM is the scum in that group atm if confined to one definitive choice. I also don’t think LM and NPOM are scum together.

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I don't think I'm dodging your answers.

Questions whatever

Okay. Why do you believe LM is not/has not been townhunting?

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think he's been town hunting?

I think has been to a degree.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Amelie is town. I really have no idea about bugspray, their posts are hard for me to parse. I'm willing to vote there potentially, but don't see a strong reason to atm.

VOTE: OutWorldER

There’s no reason or analysis behind any of your points.

What happened to Gamma or I being scum?

Why do you prefer a Trendall elim to Bugs? Do you TR Bugs?

I thought either you or Gamma was scum based on the way you both were trying to paint bugspray as scum for really odd reasons. Now I'm thinking you are scum and just latching onto Gamma's strange push.

I don't really know if bugs is Town, but I don't think Trendall is aorn. I still don't understand why people are voting bugs and no one has even attempted to explain it afaict.

It’s sparse but I think these posts count

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda hard to view that as not townhunting at all I’d say

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not convinced he’s town but I think you’re being overly critical

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like there is a marked change in play but don’t know if I feel it can be attributed to something in particular rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: bugspray

[Gamma Emerald]

Amelie's takes bother the crap out of me
Amelie what do you tend to look for when reading people? I asked you a similar question earlier but I don't recall an answer.

[Gamma Emerald]

I acknowledge that but I feel like I might just be disliking her for having different methods to me

[Gamma Emerald]

That's an interesting concept, since one of my shortcomings as a player is I sometimes let emotions get in the way of solving

[Gamma Emerald]

By the way I think for Day 1 I want to try to townblock and have a group of voices I trust to bounce ideas off of

I'm not getting anything out of the personality testing. I think we should go back to this.

I consider this a clear stance of siding with NoPowerOverMe and I'm not sure how to word this but "weakening" Frogsterking and his unique approach to mafia. I'm not sure what to make of this at the moment and I'll have to continue thinking about it.

I’m not entirely a fan of this. I think Galron’s post was rather constructive, since rather than just downtalk frog’s idea, he also uplifted my own, so I think Galron has good motives rn. Also Galron seems to be limbaity from my last game with him, so I’d be wary of those pushing him.
VOTE: Amelie

. i typically find scum more likely to lurk after submitting responses to the questions until somebody else gets the game out of the "random" phase. Usally because they both dont know how to move out of that stage naturally, and dont have the motivation to try.

I think this is a good evaluation of the idea behind it, at least for the short term “reading people directly off of responses” tactic

Btw about the activity read discussion, I think any scumteam worth their salt would have someone trying to get their foot in the door if the {Gamma, Grendel, Galron, NPOM, frogster} set is all-town
Amelie’s attack on the block kinda feels that way.

I think Amelie’s recent effort seems decent.
VOTE: bugspray
Let’s whack some weeds, shall we?

Kinda been distracted, I noticed someone asked me a question, I’ll get to it today in a few hours most likely

Amelie's takes bother the crap out of me
Amelie what do you tend to look for when reading people? I asked you a similar question earlier but I don't recall an answer.

I acknowledge that but I feel like I might just be disliking her for having different methods to me

That's an interesting concept, since one of my shortcomings as a player is I sometimes let emotions get in the way of solving

Gamma do you think that your subconscious is telling you that Amelie is full of shit or not?

My gut reaction when seeing Amelie's posting is distaste, so yes.

[Gamma Emerald]

That would be a very accurate assessment of my personality in that department

[Gamma Emerald]

I think that makes plenty of sense

[Gamma Emerald]

You recently said you reviewed my posting and thought me town. Then soon after I moved you to my scum reads and this post followed.
Can you talk to me about how you are thinking?

That isn’t an accurate representation of the timeline
I feel like it’s hard to parse out what factors into your reads so they come across as baseless and random

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like this is either a huge play style clash or you are scum. I hate nearly every post you post.

Curious why frogster didn’t address this when bringing up that point about emotion before
Btw I think part of the problem with your posts Amelie is you put your thoughts behind the spoiler= tag so it’s harder to engage with.

[Gamma Emerald]

@NPOM and the other anti-s: still this personality stuff is bullshit?

[Gamma Emerald]

@NPOM and the other anti-s: still think this personality stuff is bullshit?

EBWOP

[Gamma Emerald]

Something about the number of people calling bugspray second best makes them seem more likely scum. Not because buddies are trying to push townies rather than bus, but because generally the way to avoid getting limmed as scum is not to be ultra-town but to just not be the scummiest in the room.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah that kinda seems to be the case imo as well
your breakdown of me v. Amelie and grednel v. Amelie really made that click I think. It also covered my question towards you before of you you weren't factoring in Amelie's own distaste for Grendel, fwiw

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought you just called Frogsterkings personality tests bullshit.

I can see how you might think that but I don't, that was just a typo that affected the message more than I thought
I feel like that thing from frogster actually proved the worth of the personality test stuff

[Gamma Emerald]

backup anything is a really bold fake claim because it has no real point other than to be the target of a rolecop/complex role if there is nothing to actually backup

maybe a backup miller could be conftown if a rolecop can read them because i don't think scum backup miller would pass nrg

I learned the hard way that miller isn't a possible scum role in normals
so backup millers would be cleared if checked by a rolecop

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it's new. I wonder whether it's a site update, or it's only something that's added into the topic once it reaches a certain amount of pages.

it's been around for a while

[Gamma Emerald]

idk
maybe you just missed it? That or it takes time to show up for each person

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma

I think it's important that you join the ORAM wagon because it will be a great chance to test the validity of the town block.

@Gamma

I suspect it may be a scenario where the scummiest players were a combination of scum and prs and ORAM is so much more likely to be scum than a pr because AGamblingPig wouldn't have flaked if he rolled pr. On top of that both bugs and Lunar hinted very strongly they were pr, and AGamblingPig and even ORAM did not. If that wasn't enough, AGamblingPig was voting LunarMartian the whole time until ORAM came back and unvoted.

yeah, I had AGP in a gae I recently modded and while he was lurky he did not flake out despite being VT. So if that's what he was like as VT I think this play makes more sense as scum vs. town PR
VOTE: ORAM
town block validity is also good to test imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like voting people based on 2% chances with an ISO I don't see any agenda/fault in.

I also don't see where you get "he's my partner" from because why on earth would I go up to bat for a lurk fuck that wouldn't be helping me.

@bugs: my bad, apologies.

p sure that 2% chance is the chance of error aka town PR flip

[Gamma Emerald]

*@ALL*

Looking over yesterday I'd love some GtH reads on Luca, Momrangul, and Trendel from anybody available to do so

Town, Mafia, Town
This is just off recall not any current thought process

[Gamma Emerald]

Now I start to come under pressure and who is there to defend me? Trendall.

Why is this a big deal?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll note that Trendall’s response left much to be desired though

[Gamma Emerald]

Now I start to come under pressure and who is there to defend me? Trendall.

Why is this a big deal?

It's just odd, since Trendall seemed very confident I was Town but never really explained why other than "there's nothing bad there".

That seems like a legitimate point
I’ll review Trendall soon and decide whether I want to go there or not

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that’s the thing that bothers me the most
And it seemed like his response was essentially “see if I defend you again, nyeh”
Indicates some ulterior motive to the townread on you

[Gamma Emerald]

???
@NPOM

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t like calling it a recruit
That sounds like someone picked us out to join the hood, when it was just RNG that enabled that

[Gamma Emerald]

I looked through the mini normal archives and the only game that had two backups of the same role was a game that had two backup IC's, but no actual IC, so not really comparable to this game.

There have been four members of the hood in total now, right? It would be highly unusual if they were all Town.

I’m not entirely enthused by this mindset regarding the hood
Imo neighborhoods shouldn’t be used as a PoE subset where someone

has to be

scum in it

[Gamma Emerald]

I looked through the mini normal archives and the only game that had two backups of the same role was a game that had two backup IC's, but no actual IC, so not really comparable to this game.

There have been four members of the hood in total now, right? It would be highly unusual if they were all Town.

I’m not entirely enthused by this mindset regarding the hood
Imo neighborhoods shouldn’t be used as a PoE subset where someone

has to be

scum in it

Is this why you didn't have much of a reaction to Bug claiming the same role as you yesterday?

Yeah
Plus there is Mini 1838 as a strong reminder that town can have duplicate roles

[Gamma Emerald]

I think he enjoys making puzzle box setups? Ones with a lot of moving parts to them. FYI this is only off 1 completed GBmod game but it was enough of an example to make me think that was his mindset

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t like calling it a recruit
That sounds like someone picked us out to join the hood, when it was just RNG that enabled that

Really? What's the randomness involved?

Role generation
As for solving in the hood yes there numerically is a decent chance but I think that’s a good way to kill a lot of town fast too if we’re wrong (either that scum in the hood in the first place, or who the scum in it is). I think we should not be voting in the hood exclusively. If that’s a supporting point that’s better.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm standing by my behavioral reads that scum are mostly or completely in Lunar/bugs/OutWorldER/Trendall, and that they're now attempting to dig themselves out of the priority of elimination. I think Lunar and OutWorldER are demonstrating this behavior the most clearly.

Lunar's surprising and compelling case on Trendall followed by Trendall's reaction is definitely my favorite thing I've seen all game, and made them both look worse IMO.

I didn't really read Gamma as scum at ALL yesterday but being traitor I could see more so.

Why does LM’s case on Trendall make LM look worse?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lunar's surprising and compelling case on Trendall

Which to reiterate is 'Trendall had a townread on me and is therefore mafia'

I'm standing by my behavioral reads that scum are mostly or completely in Lunar/bugs/OutWorldER/Trendall, and that they're now attempting to dig themselves out of the priority of elimination. I think Lunar and OutWorldER are demonstrating this behavior the most clearly.

Lunar's surprising and compelling case on Trendall followed by Trendall's reaction is definitely my favorite thing I've seen all game, and made them both look worse IMO.

I didn't really read Gamma as scum at ALL yesterday but being traitor I could see more so.

Why does LM’s case on Trendall make LM look worse?

Okay, so? If you have an issue with that logic, then would the case really be that “compelling”? And in vice versa, why would something like that make LM scum even when the case is compelling?

[Gamma Emerald]

@All Did Amelie share any thoughts about night actions from her previous game on this site?

@Bugspray@Gamma Can you gather anything concrete about who she may have targeted last night or if potential scum in the hood chat may have been able to fish out the prs?

I may be able to answer these

[Gamma Emerald]

Based on hood contents I’d figure Galron was the NK target
And if scum is in there they probably know 1 PR

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I really wish I had the time to discuss what I'm like in real life and how it relates to this mafia game. I'm sorry Frogsterking but the majority of that post isn't terribly accurate (you got the poor impulse control bit correct and that's basically it) and the disingenuous mental gymnastics of your trying to claim that I myself claimed those things about my own personality is like...I just have no idea what the fresh hell I just read to be honest. I'm not really interested in any of your criticisms of me on a personal level, you're presuming that the way that I choose to approach a mafia game is broadly representative of what my entire personality is like in real life, and it just isn't, I'm a character in a mafia game. On epicmafia years back I had different accounts and they all had different personalities like one was always cool and laid back, one was very talkative and frenetic and so on. I have no idea how to explain this and I have no objection to having a big conversation about how this relates to major insecurities I may have about myself or mental health issues I may have been diagnosed with and so on, but this is just a thing with me, I like screwing around with different online personas and one of the many reasons why I love this game is that it's a roleplaying game and I

in theory

should be able to just do that with the underlying understanding between all the players being that when you're in the game and just when you're online generally, you don't go about things the same as you do irl, so nothing in the way of a player being manipulative or critical or anything such as this necessarily reflects onto how they are as a person. To reiterate you're a character in a roleplaying game. When you start to focus too much on people's real life personalities, then it might not even be relevant for reasons such as this. But more importantly, the game basically turns into 'let's eliminate the person with the worst personality, who can win by attacking who's character the hardest?' which...I mean to be perfectly honest I'd probably prefer that as a game, but we signed up for a game of mafia so I don't think the real life stuff is useful.

This is the first post I’ve seen that makes me question the value of the personality stuff
I think the OCEAN test was legit, but the questionnaire seems like it might have been a crock of shit
Frogster I have to ask, why was Trendall the one you singled out among the responses?

[Gamma Emerald]

Despite everything else, I still feel pretty confident for other reasons that Trendall is Mafia, and Gamma's post there as well as a few others recently suggest that we are on the right track and Mafia is trying to organize to shift momentum.

In actuality I wasn’t looking too favorably on Trendall up until that post, but it caused a spark to change my mind and I’m thinking maybe Frogster is up to something.
VOTE: Frogsterking
I’m not too sure about this but it can’t hurt to kick up some dirt, eh?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also don't mind Frogster, he didn't mean anything by it and also isn't as good at reading people as he thinks. It's only a game with strange internet people. We don't know anything.

Okay if I change my vote again it’s going to this, this looks awful

[Gamma Emerald]

That post doesn’t read as nice, it reads as condescending. “Strange internet people”? That sort of rhetoric serves no purpose than to aggress others. Why are the people strange to you??? And saying “his reads aren’t that great” is not a good look when he also suspects you.
VOTE: Lunar Martian
Nah fuck this. When I break it down that post is loaded with blatant discrediting.

[Gamma Emerald]

That post doesn’t read as nice, it reads as condescending. “Strange internet people”? That sort of rhetoric serves no purpose than to aggress others. Why are the people strange to you??? And saying “his reads aren’t that great” is not a good look when he also suspects you.
VOTE: Lunar Martian
Nah fuck this. When I break it down that post is loaded with blatant discrediting.

I am one of those strange internet people. What are you talking about? Frogsters reads are probably OK, I just mean his psychoanalysis.

That doesn’t change that nothing about that tone seemed polite or respectful. I still think you were shading him.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I probably overreacted
UNVOTE:
I want to sort out what I’m actually thinking vs. what I’m feeling, if that makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

I could see bugspray as scum, and he had been a prominent SR earlier for me. But I don't like the idea that it has to be there. As noted before, I have experience with two town having the same role and it being a possible clash point between them. So I'm wary of attempts to try to push that sort of ideology.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t like calling it a recruit
That sounds like someone picked us out to join the hood, when it was just RNG that enabled that

Really? What's the randomness involved?

my guess is gorgebailey went to random.org to decide that i will get the town backup neighbor role pm

I forgot about that post
but yes that's what I mean

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I want to hear more about this guilty you have

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: bugspray
okay then

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I'd be a false positive since I just have anxiety irl

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma do you think Trendall is just going along with it or I made a mistake about Lunar/OutWorldER being mis hammers?

Leaning the latter but not denying a possibility of the former

[Gamma Emerald]

I only brought up RNG in response to using the word “recruit”. Recruitment sounds like willful selection by a

player

. That was not a thing that happened, so I don’t think the word fits.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think all the Mafia are within Mom, Trendall, bugs, and Gamma. I guess I'll vote either person we have a guilty on today and tomorrow, and then I have a preference for Trendall over Gamma the following day.

Question though: how would a tracker have a guilty? Especially if Amelie wasn't the intended kill? Or was Amelie targeted by Mom?

What’s this about by the way?

[Gamma Emerald]

Specifically the second part

[Gamma Emerald]

I see what frogster’s saying about the bugs reaction
Idk if I can really do anything to help sell the point rn

[Gamma Emerald]

It seems to make sense? I don't entirely see it but it checks out enough rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

Grendel has been killed last night! He was a:

Spoiler:

town traffic analyst

hahahahhahahah
his bait worked?

I wasn’t expecting that

good job man!

welp, that changes my suspicions a bit

curious what you mean by his bait

what’s a traffic analyst btw?

it checks if someone has a current way to communicate with another player. I say current because it gets the same result for people who have no way to communicate at all and those who have a channel to communicate in but no one else alive in there with them (so it would fail on the last living group scum, or a traitor, unless some other element gave them a channel with another alive player)

I believe that the traffic analyst can see whether or not someone is in a hood.

I have a new theory by the way, I think Lunar Martian might be a traitor and Momrangel's Informed ability was that she was aware of their identity. I found some comments between Momrangel and Bugs that looked like they were trying to indicate to Lunar their alignment.

That seems like an odd thing to be informed of. I think that would make more sense if the traitor was within the hood at the outset, which I'm not sure I believe is the case.

Townie

[galron]
[frogster, lunar]
[NoPowerOverMe]
[OWE, bug*, gamma]
[Luca]

scummy

*=only there if luca flips town. 1000% town if luca flips scum

frogster

- Had a very genuine start. Asking for OCEAN results is NAI in itself but getting so agitated and trying to read people based on it for sooo long strongly hints to him genuinely wanting to try his theory out.

Experimenting with reads as town just simply makes sense. Pseudo-science or not, it doesn’t really matter. The motive behind it is pretty clear.
On the other hand, if he’s scum, I wouldn’t expect him to be THAT set on getting results. He would have to lie about his reads and would have to fake the results of his experiment (in a bad way) so no matter what he would have learned absolutely nothing from scum-reading anyone this way.

He lies about his reads = people think his way of reading is bad
Scum-reads townies using this method = people think his way of reading is bad
+he personally gets nothing out of it
...his posts (and emotions in them) just don’t seem to come from someone who knows that he’s doing a bad thing

The only thing that’s putting me off is him scum-reading pretty much only the low-posters (easy mis-lynches) + a lot of people I town-read... but tbh that’s still not enough to change my read there. 90(?)% inno

Gamma

- mindmelding a lot at the beginning of the game. Asking right questions at the right time. It’s easily fakeable but still likely good. There was literally nothing I’d like to call AI later on tho... In the PoE they go
I’d like to mention here that gamma would have known that galron claimed cop, not grendal... So I doubt they would have made that kill if they were scum

NoPowerOverMe

- Likely town because of the wagon on him D1.
Some people STRONGLY wanted him dead while some STRONGLY insisted that he’s town... Call me stupid, but in general I rarely see scum buddy each other THAT hard since the very beginning of D1
(people scum-read NPOM for pretty much anything and those who defended him just straight out said that “the wagon is disgusting”...)
Scum defending their teammate DESPITE a lot of townies pushing? - I don’t see it. That’s not how SvS defense should look like imo. If it were SvS I’d expect sth more reasonable that doesn’t place as many suspicions on the defenders after a flip.
High chances are that NPOM was just town and scum were spread between the attackers and defenders (they strongly pushed him because it was a decent mis-lynch and some white-knighted because they knew that this would give them town-creed)
NPOM can only be scum if he was bussed back then.
#619 agree about lucas. GOOD post

What are your tiers representative of in this post, and what is the dividing factor for them? I feel like some of your reads don't match the tier each person is in if the tiers are just that of a general read list.

VOTE: Bugs

This is an easy vote for me because if my theory about Lunar is true then the game will end after a Bugs execution. If the game does not end then I will know my theory is incorrect. Later, I will post the interactions I found which lead me to believe Mom and Bugs were trying to signal to Lunar their alignment.

you know, maybe flip bugs first before scum-reading anyone based on interactions with them
besides them possibly wanting to defend(?) a traitor (if one exists), I don’t think it should be possible to identify any tells in the game thread
Most of the action should happen in the scum chat which I doubt you have access to

and fun fact, I’m 90% confident that lunar is town xD
Idk how to read anyone as a traitor cuz I have close to no experience with that role but in general, their posts, way of progressing the game + emotions close to the lynch felt really darn sincere

tbh Frogster does have a decent mindset when it comes to who to vote when there's that sort of associative (by which I mean he's voting the active element of that association, or the whose posting most suggests the associative). As for drawing the conclusions pre-flip, I think it's fine to do so, but getting overly confident in it could maybe spell disaster.
Additional note, traitor doesn't normally have the ability to talk with their teammates in a secure channel. That's why I think if there's a traitor

and

momrangal's information was their exact identity, they would be one of the people who started out inside the neighborhood. That way, after all the townies in the hood die off, the traitor and (presuming bugspray is scum backup neighbor) backup neighbor on scum's side can conspire and plan quickhammers and other stuff.

This is exactly why I'm voting Bugs, and this is exactly what I found. By default traitor and scum do not know each other, and Momrangel's Informed made me think that she knew the identity of a traitor (provided one exists) but the traitor did not know the identity of their scum mates. I combed through D1 looking for moments where Momrangel could be signaling to her traitor and I think I found something. I found even more tells that looked like a scum!Bugs also trying to signal to Lunar. Of course there's a chance it's all in my imagination, that's why I'm curious to get other's input. I really don't have any other leads because I'm townreading most slots so if my new theory is incorrect then the scum are playing very well and/or I got pocketed and/or completely overlooked something.

With this idea it explains why Lunar seems so sincere at some moments, because they're actually unsure of their partners so they are not playing with TMI.

Imagine you queued up for this game and then found out you were the traitor, a role you were completely unfamiliar with, then look at Lunar's D1 again.

Traitors are (or I think should be) told their scum partners from the start in Normal games. So I think you should factor that into your theory.

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought about the hood thing and I thought it could be a mix-up on the tradition. I dont that necessarily invalidates the idea.

If traitor is usually informed of their scum team though then my theory probably doesn't hold up. Is that always the case?

I might post what I found anyway in case a discussion needs sparking.

Yeah I'm pretty sure traitors being informed of their team in Normals is a hard rule.
also ejjinami's weird thought process on the claim situation is hard to make sense of, but I feel like it's a mite towny rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

about the hood, I had a spicy guess about the role list, which was based on me mistaking galron for grendal + one of bug’s posts in there

yeah on this, do you still feel like bugspray is "your counterpart" or whatever you called him in there?

[Gamma Emerald]

Assume there's at least one Mafia member in the neighbor chat.

is this a request or a statement of your thinking?

[Gamma Emerald]

that's a good knowledge base imo

[Gamma Emerald]

:thumbs_up:

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel like there’s a serious counterclaim anywhere but I can’t be certain of that with the role/setup knowledge I have

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel like there’s a serious counterclaim anywhere but I can’t be certain of that with the role/setup knowledge I have

They're not even counter claiming roles they're counter claiming STORIES. That are easily checkable by both you and Galreon.

Man idfk what’s going on then
I’ve seen all the stuff but I’m struggling to really comprehend it

[Gamma Emerald]

From what I understand, bugs is scum-reading me for not understanding what I did
and since it’s “weird”, it’s “scummy”

If this is true it is concerning for bugs

[Gamma Emerald]

can there be third parties in 13p normals

No

[Gamma Emerald]

I had 1 game with bugspray but I barely paid it any mind

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think it’s been made apparent why you think Luca/bugs aren’t scum together ejji?

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh that seems simplistic
Btw I just looked over a Trendall scumgame and it looks a bit like this but I feel like his ratio of long:short posts trended towards the longer side in his scumgame compared to here
I’m not sure if that means nothing, a lot, or something in between, but I think reviewing his survey answers and how he responded when I asked him about this stuff earlier might figure that out

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m probably gonna take most of today off from playing here

[Gamma Emerald]

If you weren’t conftown I’d be all over these posts, they feel so faux-productive imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like you’re saying “oh I need to do xyzzy” a lot, that’s my main issue. Another part of it is the amount of posts you’re making while not sounding sure of anything or like you’re making much headway in your thinking. I feel like “show don’t tell” and “quality over quantity”are good generalizations of the improvements that could be made. You don’t have to walk us through your entire thought process post-by-post. Just figure out what you can, and if something thoroughly stumps you, you can speak up about that so others can try to solve it in your place.

[Gamma Emerald]

What is the takeaway for 1540? I feel like that’s lost in the fog rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

frog/mom seems inviable
luca/mom too, but I’m not as sure an that and would have to comb over the context myself to be sure

Need to re-read mom for the other two questions

Thank you, though.

[Gamma Emerald]

To add even more fuel to the bugspray fire I found this section of D1 interesting, Momrangal is clearly trying to create a counterwagon for Bugspray, and Trendall "playfully" joins in with her idea, which could have just been an excuse to get his vote off of Bugspray.

Votecount 1.11

bugspray(4)

~ Trendall(27), Gamma Emerald(60), NoPowerOverMe(76), Luca Blight(39)

NoPowerOverMe(3)

~ Amélie(51), OutWorldER(13), bugspray(34)

Lunar Martian(3)

~ AGamblingPig(5), Frogsterking(30), Galron(22)

Trendall(2)

~ Grendel(41), Momrangal(28)

OutWorldER(1)

~ Lunar Martian(9)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-01 11:27:58)

FLAVOR

frame 10 out of 19035

shout out to Datisi for having a working imgur

That reminds me I had a mental note to review the D1 wagon dynamics at some point later on

[Gamma Emerald]

what's the case on Galron? I haven't exactly understood that yet.

I think Bugspray/Trendall slot is most likely at this point, Bugs shitpush on eiji today feels like bad distancing while eiji tries to save their last scumbuddy/doomed slot.

I think was just intimidated off the read because a few players are town reading the Trendall slot now.

I don't understand why they would kill Grendel instead of the pr in the hood unless it's because they had the pr in the hood pocketed.

Grendel didn't fullclaim his role though, so the mafia were probably afraid of his role more than whatever was in the neighborhood.

[Gamma Emerald]

Their replace-out could have been done in spite to improve the standing of the slot in response to my game solve on D2.

If you legitimately think this btw you should prob report Trendall, that's breaking the rules iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

sounds good

[Gamma Emerald]

Lunar you're so done now.

HAHA that's not surprising. Confirmation bias is the most powerful force in the universe.

Bad post.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Bugspray
I almost completely agree with the case and my one concern doesn’t really weaken it at all

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Bugspray
I almost completely agree with the case and my one concern doesn’t really weaken it at all

I’m sorry for being rude but do you have any original reads?

Technically that’s my read to begin with. But besides that I’ve had plenty of original reads I’d say.
Also I was hesitant on voting but decided I wanted to put Lunar to the test. He didn’t do the first thing I expected him to do as scum but that doesn’t mean he’s town to me, I don’t like how he’s pushing me here.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t know what it means if bugs is scum
I know that I absolutely hate that attitude in case of him being town

The result will be clear after 1 lynch anyway.

This also doesn’t look great

Also don’t like ejji calling me vs. Lunar TvT like that.

[Gamma Emerald]

You expected me as Mafia to hammer there? Also, if this was your read and you were so keen on it, why weren't you on the wagon before E-1?

Yes I did, I saw Frog baiting you and decided to raise the stakes on it a bit, figuring you might take the hammer if I gave it to you.
Also I was being snarky, I wasn’t really sure about bugs until Frog posted that. But I tend to let go of scumreads without really being conscious of it when I have a correct scumread, and bugs fell into that net of reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

I was talking about frogster vs lunar TvT.

Yeah so? Lunar and your predecessor clashed in a similar way, would be convenient for you if people saw that as TvT no? But I feel like Lunar agreeing with me and then retracting like he did is the actually scum-indicative thing her vs. you seeming to be pushing things that I think are self-serving.

[Gamma Emerald]

if you think I and lunar are a scum-team why aren’t you voting me lmao

and I said NOTHING about me and lunar being TvT. Don’t twist my words, please

I don’t think it’s you and lunar, I definitively think it is bugs and someone else, that someone else being lunar rn
And you didn’t say it now but it’s not impossible for you to try to bring it up later. If I were less charitable I’d suppose you were annoyed I called you on it pre-emptively.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lunar is close to lock town on their own, they tunneled bugs for the majority of the game while mom jumped casually between unrelated wagons

Lunar didn’t really stick to the bugs scumread when it counted I believe

[Gamma Emerald]

Lunar is close to lock town on their own, they tunneled bugs for the majority of the game while mom jumped casually between unrelated wagons

Lunar didn’t really stick to the bugs scumread when it counted I believe

When was that? Early Day 1 I had bugs at null when there was a bugs wagon, but as the wagon faded I changed my mind and ever since then I've been pretty consistent. I'd say that when it counts is now, and I'm going to hammer.

Bugs was close to lim D1 and I think D2 at times you had the ability to hammer iirc
And I voted bugspray when I had them at null but I stayed there because none of their posting after my vote on them D1 looked towny imo

[Gamma Emerald]

bugs is probably just frozen scum atp

[Gamma Emerald]

I think another one of those OCEAN breakdowns like the one that was done for me, Grendel, and Amelie should probably be done for me and ejjinami
I am starting to get the sense our disagreement on some of our reads is on a fundamental level and I’d like to see where our differences lie

[Gamma Emerald]

We’ve been stuck on the same image for three game days

[Gamma Emerald]

Explain?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
I wanna see that analysis

[Gamma Emerald]

I've been prodding at bugspray in the hood and I feel like he's not really following through on his mindset that the PR claims are too much rn

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah wut
people are saying you're scum with lunar

[Gamma Emerald]

Or whoever the other claimed PR is.

I'm getting confused - I thought Grendel was in the hood.

The point is, whoever claimed a tpr in the hood could a) either be scum or b) have been targeted N1 and protected by Amelie, who was also in the hood.

He would have flipped neighbor in that case????