Jahudo wrote:sirdanilot wrote:I was wondering why you aren't suspicious of anyone at all yet after such a long time? Who do you find the most suspicious and why?
Citizen Karne looks pretty scummy to me right now, but that is partially his avoidance to my questions for the past two weeks. It looks too easy for him to agree at face value with Simenon’s summary of nureins “Respond to contrary opinion by repeating bad argument…” and not saying anything himself, especially since he is voting for him.
For now though,
FoS: Citizen Karne
Ew. Why did you not FoS or vote him (or anyone else) before I asked? Why did you need my question to do so? I am not fond of this reply...
On to Ythill. I am going to accuse you of cherry-picking here. You did not address all my points, and you didn't quote the points you addressed entirely so I had to look up what they were about.
Ythill wrote:sirdan-scum wrote:How is that scummy, actually. Why can't you explain that by a townie who got a tad frustrated there and used a different word choice.
I've just seen scum do it more than town is all. I've seen a few really bad players do it as town, but you don't strike me as that bad of a player. Just scummy.
You have failed to say why it is scummy in my case.
Wait, I already know the reason. 'You're scum, and this would be a very effective tactic for scum, so this brings more suspicion on you.'
You say that I don't
strike
you as a bad player. So basically, the fact that I give you a scum vibe is the reason that you find this scummy.
Now, I was very disappointed that you didn't reply to the following. It was probably really easy to skip this, wasn't it.
sirdanilot wrote:So the first one to make an, uhm, 'inane' comment wins the tie?
Do you get what I'm getting at here.
Reply.
sirdan-scum wrote:Do you say that you are only going to be pro-town as an exception to the rule?
Not quite. I say that I'm only going to repeat myself as an exception to the rule. There's enough people grumbling about long posts as it is. They can read the evidence I've already posted, and so can you.
It wasn't really so much about repeating. When you posted your case that was based on paraphrases, you did not make it clear that those were paraphrases and you did not mention off what lines that I said you based them. Because of that, that case was flawed and scummy. Your case was less scummy when you actually backed it up. Is this going to be an exception to the rule? Do you not think that would be anti-town?
Also, you skipped this
sirdanilot wrote:Okay, and I defended myself against that because I acknowledged that I said something among the line of that paraphrase.
sirdan-scum wrote:I made one argument where I accidentally assumed his alignment, and I was wrong when I did it.
Well... see... at first you were saying that you didn't make any. And I was saying that you'd made a few. Now you're saying that you've only made one, while I'm still saying that you've made a few. So your story is changing but mine isn't. Interesting.
You only showed me one. Therefore, you are lying, because unless you proof otherwise, I have only made one such comment. Do you think that this is pro-town behaviour?
sirdan-scum wrote:(1) Bolded part is an attack on me as a person. Sorry, but I don't tolerate that. (2) This is a game and my vocabulary doesn't matter at all in this game.
(3) And again you didn't reply to the point itself.
(1) My apologies. I was using in-game examples (inane, asinine, essence) to demonstrate how facts trump opinions. Didn't intend to do more than rattle you and gain information... won't go there again. You have a great command of English for someone who speaks it as a second language.
(2) Correct, but someone
pretending
a poor vocabulary to sidestep arguments is
very
relevant. It seems to me, now, that your lack of understanding was honest, at least in those three cases.
(3) I've already replied to the point. I addressed (factually) why nuriens' summary wasn't underhanded, and so did he. I'm not going through it again.
(3) No, you only said that what he did was fair and that you thought it was pro-town of him. You didn't participate in the actual debate about nurein's summary. You did not defend each bit of it explaining why it was a good summary.
To my detractors:
Wait. Dictionary definition:
de·tract Audio Help /dɪˈtrækt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-trakt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used without object)
1. to take away a part, as from quality, value, or reputation (usually fol. by from).
–verb (used with object)
2. to draw away or divert; distract: to detract another's attention from more important issues.
So you call anyone not me as people who take away from your case against me? Wow, you must be really tunnelvisioned, so much that you think other people are just bugging you. How was that comment pro-town?
Or am I missing something here.
My next post will contain bits that you did not reply to. It will be quite big, most likely.
Cass wrote:TPT:
random omgus votes Goat. Votes Ythill, sarcastically, this also seems to be omgus. More sarcasm, then a horrible, horrible self-vote. None of his posts seem to contain anything useful. Votes ectomancer for word-use (??) He... I don't know... that is the most anti-town play I've seen yet, from an otherwise intelligent coherent poster.... Then he disappears.
Tritch:
Made only one post, suggesting that the people voting for him were scum (specifically, nhat and me). Then disappeared.
I commented on the play of my predecessors. I do not agree with the self-vote and I can only explain it with that TPT was a frustrated newbie town. Tritch simply disappeared, nothing to get from that.
Sirdanilot:
Comes in with some very weak, vague reads on people. Then makes a case on Goat (but doesn't vote or FoS!), throws suspicion on Simenon and on everyone on the habit wagon.
Everyone on the habit wagon? Please go on and elaborate on this.
I explained why I did not FoS goat and why I did FoS Simenon.
He ignored my request to talk about his predecessors, but later answered Ythill's repeated request.
Show me where I ignored your request. I thought we had agreed to the fact that nobody requested this?
He goes on about his case on goat, but in fact never votes him. After some badgering, he decides that Ythill is scum for attacking him, and omgus votes him.
Horrible, absolutely horrible simplification of how it really went. You know damn well why I voted Ythill, and it was anything but simple OMGUS. I would have certainly voted him even if he did that to someone else.
Conclusions:
I find it hard to decide. Scum? Or frustrated and insecure town? I did hate the play of TPT and Tritch. But his defenseand his overall response to Ythill attacking him do not strike me as scummy. On the other hand, he hasn't done anything terribly pro-town either. I'm not convinced he's town, but I don't think he's the best lynch either.
Tritch didn't play. Can you name players who have done 'horribly pro-town' things, and what did they do?
This Ythill vs. Sirdan thing reminds me of the Simenon vs. Nuriens thing - a lot of noise and chaos, people getting upset, and neither party looks much better than the other. Which makes me think it might well be two townies fighting.
I actually agree. However, I am doubting more and more that Ythill is a towny, he keeps cutting out big parts of my posts and cherry picking only tiny parts. I don't see how town would do that.
Anyway Cass, I was a bit disappointed with this read. I would have expected something more thorough and better, but you simply mentioned a very simplistic version of reality without really adding anything.
In my next posts I will put the things that Ythill ignored, and I may check Simenon as I don't have a clear picture of what he actually contributed in the last few pages.