TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless

[Autumn Leaves]

Actually, if I'm sure the deal has enough support, I'll consider it. Me and mena will have a...discussion.

What a bad time for a new magic the gathering set to come out.

[chennisden]

EVEN IF you think this wifom is SO EFFECTIVE or whatever, it STILL is a thousand times dumber than just... pinning a tough d1 mislim on a teammate and bussing then

[Auro]

have my other teammate BUS ME

To be fair, I think Firebringer would be pretty happy planning to stage a rap battle as scum theater.

[chennisden]

I strongly predict that (shirou, chenn) is the exact team and it makes a lot of sense with the way that shirou entered and made a big deal of being good at reading chenn and then inserted him into the townbloc solve thing

yes we three way bussed at the beginning and middle of d1

Yes

This is entirely plausible and shirou has done similar shit before

In our very first game together he and another scumbuddy both fakeclaimed cop where the claim meant one had to be scum

oh wait also

my scumbuddy SHIROU, who has big scum balls, did not join the game until AFTER said midgame bus

[Shirou]

Chennis, let me make something clear:

I've, intentionally messed up the gamestate now with my actions. You can hate me for that I suppose, but even if the Auro wagon doesn't go through, Mena will now focus on [Shirou/Chennis] that this whole theater to gather town points.

Is it a questionable read? Yes, but I doubt you'll change a scum read on you by arguing with that person directly.

The best way to defuse the bomb I've implemented in this game currently is to exactly make the Auro wagon happen today, and give less ammunition for scum to angle [Shirou, Chennis] if you believe I'm town. If you believe I'm scum, following the wagon is also the correct choice to force my hand on D3.

If you think this is the same gamestate that we had in the initial D2, it's not.

I intentionally burned much of the "social credit" of my slot through my interactions/actions in the last pages. From a slot people were a bit doubtful, but comfortable with, I became an active source of suspicious.

I implemented a bomb and am giving you as well the method to defuse it, and saying "do it?", a jerk move arguably, but still likely the correct move.

I'm essentially another LHF if Auro doesn't happen today and town is going to lose focus on more important slots either way with my presence. Consider voting Auro.

[chennisden]

have my other teammate BUS ME

To be fair, I think Firebringer would be pretty happy planning to stage a rap battle as scum theater.

the question isn't "can fb/shirou and chennis do this," the question is WHY

[chennisden]

Chennis, let me make something clear:

I've, intentionally messed up the gamestate now with my actions. You can hate me for that I suppose, but even if the Auro wagon doesn't go through, Mena will now focus on [Shirou/Chennis] that this whole theater to gather town points.

Is it a questionable read? Yes, but I doubt you'll change a scum read on you by arguing with that person directly.

The best way to defuse the bomb I've implemented in this game currently is to exactly make the Auro wagon happen today, and give less ammunition for scum to angle [Shirou, Chennis] if you believe I'm town. If you believe I'm scum, following the wagon is also the correct choice to force my hand on D3.

If you think this is the same gamestate that we had in the initial D2, it's not.

I intentionally burned much of the "social credit" of my slot through my interactions/actions in the last pages. From a slot people were a bit doubtful, but comfortable with, I became an active source of suspicious.

I implemented a bomb and am giving you as well the method to defuse it, and saying "do it?", a jerk move arguably, but still likely the correct move.

I'm essentially another LHF if Auro doesn't happen today and town is going to lose focus on more important slots either way with my presence. Consider voting Auro.

bleh what's auro at

if i'm not hammering i'll consider it

[Shirou]

It doesn't matter what you think of Auro or mine alignment.

I've implemented chaos in this game and brought chaos to your slot as well, and the most simple route to defuse it is to follow the chain rather than try arguing "I'm not scum with Shirou!", "Shirou is town even if Auro is town!", "Auro is scum but we shouldn't make this proposition" for 30 ~ 40 pages but failing to achieve results.

[Shirou]

Chennis, let me make something clear:

I've, intentionally messed up the gamestate now with my actions. You can hate me for that I suppose, but even if the Auro wagon doesn't go through, Mena will now focus on [Shirou/Chennis] that this whole theater to gather town points.

Is it a questionable read? Yes, but I doubt you'll change a scum read on you by arguing with that person directly.

The best way to defuse the bomb I've implemented in this game currently is to exactly make the Auro wagon happen today, and give less ammunition for scum to angle [Shirou, Chennis] if you believe I'm town. If you believe I'm scum, following the wagon is also the correct choice to force my hand on D3.

If you think this is the same gamestate that we had in the initial D2, it's not.

I intentionally burned much of the "social credit" of my slot through my interactions/actions in the last pages. From a slot people were a bit doubtful, but comfortable with, I became an active source of suspicious.

I implemented a bomb and am giving you as well the method to defuse it, and saying "do it?", a jerk move arguably, but still likely the correct move.

I'm essentially another LHF if Auro doesn't happen today and town is going to lose focus on more important slots either way with my presence. Consider voting Auro.

bleh what's auro at

if i'm not hammering i'll consider it

E-2.

[chennisden]

VOTE: auro

[chennisden]

sorry if you're town, auro, but i really don't think this is on the rest of us if it goes through

[chennisden]

we've given you dozens of chances to engage us and you really haven't taken them. and a thousand other things that i'm sure we all know

[Shirou]

E-1.

This is a tierbreaker, I suppose now there's more bargaining chip to have with the table of Math / Joqi / Autumn.

Let's see if we can wrap up this game today, or to at the very least show I'm dumb.

[Auro]

we've given you dozens of chances to engage us and you really haven't taken them. and a thousand other things that i'm sure we all know

I'm sad that you say this.

[Shirou]

I think Auro, regardless of his alignment, engaged us quite a lot.

It's just a matter that it didn't change my mind at all...

I'm truly sorry if I'm wrong on you by the way Auro, but I'm gonna pay in D3 either way in that scenario.

[Auro]

I think if people are going to quicklim me and then say that I ignored everyone / didn't take any chance to engage with anyone I will be quite disappointed myself. I feel like I've been doing that sufficiently.

[Auro]

I think Auro, regardless of his alignment, engaged us quite a lot.

Yo thanks <3

[Shirou]

Actually, if I'm sure the deal has enough support, I'll consider it. Me and mena will have a...discussion.

What a bad time for a new magic the gathering set to come out.

I suggest for it to be fast.

The proposition isn't eternal at all.

In fact, it would surprise you what I'll do if this doesn't go through.

[chennisden]

we've given you dozens of chances to engage us and you really haven't taken them. and a thousand other things that i'm sure we all know

I'm sad that you say this.

yeah this was a bit unfair, and i apologize for this regardless of your alignment

[Shirou]

Now that we're on E-1, my confidence was in no way overestimation or a lie, I do believe this is the correct elimination in this game.

However, I want to note I do dislike how passive-aggressive I had to be in the last pages, and how much chaos/agitation I had to insert for us to get here.

This is, again, in no way me taking back any of what I said, it's just acknowledging. This game forces you sometimes to incorporate behaviors to get a tactical advantage on something.

I'm glad it seems to be over and we're at E-1, which is the final showdown, because it's either a complete rebuttal of the proposition by Math / AL / Joqi, or it's the final step.

[chennisden]

man these last n pages have given me reason to doubt my initial read

[Auro]

In particular is there something you feel I have left unanswered to you, specifically?

[Shirou]

man these last n pages have given me reason to doubt my initial read

Please don't. for reasons even deeper than whether Auro is or not.

In fact, Auro does seem to be spewing final thoughts or anything, it seems to me as resigned scum although I can still be wrong.

[chennisden]

I think if people are going to quicklim me and then say that I ignored everyone / didn't take any chance to engage with anyone I will be quite disappointed myself. I feel like I've been doing that sufficiently.

i will say that i dont think you've been exploring the motivations of what people have been doing this game. i think there's a lot of good stuff to call out that you

should've been calling out

, at least from my pov. in no way did i mean that you were playing poorly or whatever, just that i thought it was unfortunate there were things i expected to happen and didnt see if you were town

[chennisden]

auro can i get your read on shirou?