Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[Salsabil Faria]

OK I finished reading a few pages of lilith vs SkitteR and now my brain is fried to crisp. I got nothing from that.

[notscience]

Not_Mafia

{2}

- Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald

MURDERCAT

{3}

- PenguinPower, Dumb and Dumber, catboi

Gamma Emerald

{4}

- Daenerys and Dragons, Not_Mafia, YyottaCat, Green Crayons

PenguinPower

{1}

- MURDERCAT

Not voting

{1}

- Salsabil Faria

Votes needed to Eliminate:

{6}

. Deadline for Day 1 is Saturday, February 13 at 2 PM EDT, or in (expired on 2021-02-13 16:00:00).

MOD NOTES:
Please reach out if you notice any mistakes in my count.

[Gamma Emerald]

>am neutral
>Gets voted

?????

You no longer are.

Okay now I need to see from progression from you on your reads because this just sounds like nonsense.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: murdercat
I'd prefer to let him town up if he's town but he's not really trying atp, plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.

[Salsabil Faria]

Daenerys (lilith2013)

{22, 27, 243} = good faith.

{67, 84, 116, 124, 129, 137, 240, 484, 556, 888, 892, 910, 913, 948, 949, 961, 1038, 1050, 1074, 1101} = good posts + some matched with my thought process.

{73} = Can you elaborate more? Cause

skitter

also townread you that time (like

YyottaCat

) on the basis of the vibe I guess (refer: 25).

You vs

Dumbass ( Auro)

on 481, 483, 484, 485, 491, 492, 493, 496, 498, 502, 503, 504, 507, 508, 511, 512, 514, 515, 518, 519, 520, 522, 539, 541, 543, 545, 546, 547, 551, 552, 557, 559, 563, 565, 568, 569, 570, 603, 605, 699, 623, 646 are based on your real life stuffs and hence the overreaction came in my opinion. So, it's not helpful to me to read you at all, I'm taking this 1v1 as NAI.

These posts actually pinged me very hard because as I said earlier, in one of my previous games, one scum was literally doing this type of

game solving play and

deliberately showing that they were doing

.

. That's the reason for questioning you about your

game solving nature

here, not a theory based reason totally.

Spoiler:

like idk I'm clearly in here solving and progressing the game and moving things forward, and if you think that's possibly scum!me.... idk what to tell you.

2) look at my ISO. I'm constantly engaging with people, evaluating my reads, picking things apart, and pushing. even though I'm no longer focusing on auro, it's clear I'm still trying to sort him. I'm trying to sort everyone. I'm clearly invested in this game and trying to solve. look at my posts and say to my face that this is a scummy ISO.

- Daenerys

and you should also see that I'm clearly putting in effort and care about solving this damn game.

- Daenerys

my engagement, my proactivity, my solving, my sorting, is all town and wasn't evident in hidden temple whatsoever.

??????????

- Daenerys

this is how I always react to people trying to shade me when I'm being super fucking obvtown.

once again - look at my ISO. look at me pushing, sorting, engaging, and progressing this game. yeah, I think I'm the most obvtown slot in this game.

- Daenerys

{1278} = Don't agree with you cause like you overreacted on

Dumbass ( Auro)

earlier,

Gamma Emerald

overreacted with you too. Yes, he might have the wrong meta on you (which is according to you), but that doesn't necessarily scum indicative. Your reaction was also not calming when the 1v1 was going on. And he said that he has issues with communicating, that's why he was ignoring you which I feel genuine. Also, he may be doesn't solve the game like you're doing but I don't find him scum for this.

[Salsabil Faria]

Gosh! so many posts to read again and again!
Btw, I think I give

MURDERCAT

enough benefit of the doubt.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

once again - look at my ISO. look at me pushing, sorting, engaging, and progressing this game. yeah, I think I'm the most obvtown slot in this game.

- Daenerys

Don't get mad but I saw this exact same attitude of

obsessive town solver

scum game in one of my previous games and most of the players fell for it and the mafia won.

........ okay? “scum were able to fake it once” doesn’t mean something isn’t towny... they were just able to replicate it as scum. Progressing the game and solving and trying to sort people is a pro-town thing to do. Townies want to do it. Scum don’t want the game to progress. Therefore it is towny.

Is there an argument that scum can look like they’re trying to progress the game but not actually doing so? yes. But then the onus would be on you (or gamma, or whoever is trying to say this doesn’t make someone towny) to prove why that person is not actually helping advance the game. The onus isn’t on me to prove that something I did that’s inherently towny isn’t actually scummy.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

The reason I brought it up is because it seemed like gamma had completely ignored 1) what position scum!me would have to have taken on a town!skitter and town!auro; and 2) the effort I was putting into the game. again, if he wanted to say I was scum despite that or because of it, fine, but he did not consider where my slot stood in the context of the game. he chose to create a false dichotomy between my slot and another slot in two different ways (me vs penguin and me vs dumb & dumber) and then was like “oh well I guess if lilith is in two dichotomies it should be her.” that’s the same mentality I’ve taken to reads as scum before, where I set up a chain of “logic” and then just use those points to draw “conclusions,” and ignore everything else about the actual play in the game.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

If those posts are pinging you, then it’s on you to prove why the rest of my ISO is not actually moving the game forward and is not town-motivated.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

{1278} = Don't agree with you cause like you overreacted on Dumbass ( Auro) earlier, Gamma Emerald overreacted with you too. Yes, he might have the wrong meta on you (which is according to you), but that doesn't necessarily scum indicative. Your reaction was also not calming when the 1v1 was going on. And he said that he has issues with communicating, that's why he was ignoring you which I feel genuine. Also, he may be doesn't solve the game like you're doing but I don't find him scum for this.

fine, let’s remove all the “emotional”-related things (once again, I feel like my points are not invalid just because I’m emotional, but I’m being treated like my content isn’t valid just because I’m frustrated)

Gamma’s perspective is like so far out of the realm of where my head’s at that it’s really difficult for me to believe that this is a town perspective.

- see 1432 - setting up false dichotomies and then going “oh welp guess this person must ~logically~ be scum” when that ignores all context of the game
- “wrong meta” is an understatement. you have to actively be looking at two of my worst scumgames at all time, where I rolled over like a napkin, and think that that kind of engagement is at all similar to how active or engaged I’ve been in this game.

- Daenerys

[catboi]

VOTE: murdercat
I'd prefer to let him town up if he's town but he's not really trying atp, plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.

You can just say it's self-preservation you know

[Green Crayons]

plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on

can you please point me in the direction of these concerns?

I'm being lazy

[Dumb and Dumber]

I'm being lazy

Mood

-Dumbass

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: murdercat
I'd prefer to let him town up if he's town but he's not really trying atp, plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.

You can just say it's self-preservation you know

that's true but not the whole story

[Gamma Emerald]

plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on

can you please point me in the direction of these concerns?

I'm being lazy

didn't like how he was talking about mech stuff early
it felt like he was crutching on that to get TRed

[Daenerys and Dragons]

are you ignoring everything I said about you on purpose?

- Daenerys

[Green Crayons]

plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on

can you please point me in the direction of these concerns?

I'm being lazy

didn't like how he was talking about mech stuff early
it felt like he was crutching on that to get TRed

did you point this out earlier?

what mech stuff?

[Daenerys and Dragons]

But the point is the fact I haven't been actively searching for scum is part of how I play these days, but atp I'm pissed off enough to switch to active mode.

sup, what happened with this?

thanks for calling this out


a lot of spam in this game and going in circles
let's yeet Gamma or MC and move on
I don't really have a preference but Lilith wants Gamma more

These posts actually pinged me very hard because as I said earlier, in one of my previous games, one scum was literally doing this type of game solving play and deliberately showing that they were doing.. That's the reason for questioning you about your game solving nature here, not a theory based reason totally.

In defense of Lilith I will say she brought these up as a deliberate counter-example of the game where she was recently scum and not doing those things. Not like a LAMIST situation.

-Dragons

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda got distracted by other shit okay

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: murdercat
I'd prefer to let him town up if he's town but he's not really trying atp, plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.

I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.

You very much did not express concerns early on - it was quite the opposite.

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: murdercat

Sorry murder </3

E-1

[Gamma Emerald]

that emote was towards mcat and GC both posting things I have some concerns about
not NM's thing

huh
what's this then
get my name out your fucking mouths

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: MURDERKITTY

~ skitter

GAHAHA IT’S HAPPENING!!!!

VOTE: murderkitty

wut

Also can someone come up with a good reason for MCat being scum or is this just because he’s not a TR yet
I feel like most games MCat gets pressed early as town

I’m sorry but I can’t have fun in mafia games as town, Cakez? Is that what you’re saying?
I actually feel like I vibed pretty hard in a game murder and infinity were both in

That's obviously not what I was getting at and I'm not sure why you're taking it that way

-Dragons

I felt like it was the start of a bad-faith push

Because murdercat is a much better wagon and an nm wagon is the epitome of lazy voting.

what about murdercat
you guys are probably way off base on him, he very often gets wagoned early like this as town rather than as scum
how can I not see the votes on murdercat as just a little bit lazy

Very conflicted. I think his posting isolated is very scummy but I also can buy his excuse that he was burned out by the BooneyToonz game and I did like his post where he cased Penguin. Would yeet in lack of other better wagons.

Here’s the thing: you ALSO saw what happened in Among Us. Tell me Murder’s play/reception differs from that game at all.

If you believe me about murdercat being a miselim why do you think I’m scum?

MURDERCAT [6, E-3] outworldER, Akarin, xRECKONERx, alisae, sircakez, battle mage (thegoldenparadox)
The only scum on this in that game, SirCakez, voted around the middle of what was need to lim
NM is in the same place if murdercat is a miselim this game
So like, how is my NM vote bad given that?

I don’t think murdercat’s play is substantially different from that game/any of his other town games, and the fact he’s getting early pressure to this degree tells me he’s town
In booneytoonz XV I recall there was a D1 wagon on him but it was rather short-lived
Meanwhile like, every other town game I’ve seen from him he’s been rather suspected. So imo the trend is “if murdercat gets sussed a lot early he is town”

And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

@infinity
catboi’s post sums up most of it I think, have you read and responded to this?

Actually just looked at your ISO and you don’t seem to have mentioned this post at all, which is interesting because this is probably the biggest scumcase on murder so far, and you seemingly hard townread this slot before catboi replaced in. Is there a reason you haven’t responded to catboi on murder or engaged with catboi at all?

- Daenerys

I read the post, it didn't really do anything for me. Most of it is like, murder is making lazy pushes and reasoning because he's kinda being lazy this game. If you're interested I can respond to it in more depth

I don’t really need a response to the points in particular.

I find the argument “murder could be lazy as town” to just be not very appealing. Like, anyone can be lazy as town. They can also just be scum. Yall are saying murder is lazy!town here. Gamma says he’s lazy!town. NM is lazy as both alignments. Everyone else is putting in effort. who do we elim then if everyone suspicious just says they’re being lazy town? there needs to be a line drawn somewhere. as a side note, I also intensely dislike the concept of sandbagging on principle. like, just play the game you signed up for. if you plan to not play the game, then don’t come crying when you get pressured for it.

you say let’s wagon NM but that is the easiest elimination of all time. I’m not concerned about deepwolf!NM. I am concerned about other players skating by because “oh they’re just lazy town.” like if NM is where the wagon ends up, fine, but I think that’s an absolute last resort. there are three scum, so I’m going to keep trying to figure out who the team is. both you and gamma do not seem to care that there would be two other scum.

- Daenerys

yes, there are three scum
atm I don't think murdercat is any of them
NM could be, so could others but I haven't probed for them yet
I don't like the way you try to act like because there's three scum it invalidates our concerns about the murdercat lim and those pushing it

finished Murdercat games informing my perspective here

Booneytoonz XV - mafia (traitor), survived
Among Us - town, survived
Micro 977 - town, survived
Micro 983 - town, survived
Mini Normal 2170 - town, limmed D1
Open 796 (haunted village) - town, survived

If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often

If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often

but see:

And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.

I'm saying your perspective on murdercat is way smaller than mine or infinity's, and as such you should listen to what I'm saying, which is to give him time since he becomes stronger as town further along in the game, and I think based on how things have developed he is town
I'm not just metaing murdercat, I'm metaing the scenario

(i) Can you explain more about 347, 372 and 472? I don't understand.

(ii) Why did you think Dumb and Dumber's was okay (refer: 653)?

(iii) What is your current read about Infinity 324 (refer: 824)?

(iv) Reason (refer: 984)?

347 I was asking a small question to feel infinity out and I felt he responded in a way that made more waves, which felt towny
372 I felt their interaction was a bit of distancing (which now that I remember that I'm probably gonna have to retrace my steps and see how I really feel in that front)
472 I had gut pings from GC so I was like "this

might

be a good expression what I'm feeling"

dumbo's townblock seemed okay because shadowslug seemed genuine, so did infinity, and I was okay letting you be included

I still read infinity as town, though I had some hazy doubts earlier

I voted NM because on some level I was conscious of scum liking being on murdercat around that point in the wagon and I also wanted to vote with infinity

as for the murdercat question, I presume he could imitate those behaviors but it would probably be hard for him
I especially think it would be hard for him to act towny in later days

gamma, i was going through your (gamma's) posts earlier because, gamma, you really went hard on, gamma, defending murderkitty and, gamma, stating that we need to, you know gamma, give murderkitty a few days, gamma, to act more towny. Gamma, it seems that, gamma, you changed this quite abrubtly, gamma, as the day approaches, gamma, a close and your, gamma's, wagon is on par with murderkitty's.

but, gamma, i did see that you, gamma, started to shift your, gamma, opinion earlier back than i originally though. And, gamma, you did say that the kitty of murder felt flat, gamma, prior to your townread tirade so, gamma, i guess i'll give you, gamma, the benefit of the doubt and say that your, gamma's, progression there is actually ok.

Good job, gamma.

[PenguinPower]

AHHHH THE MULTIQUOTE DIDN'T RESET

@mod: pls spoiler that because I'm not allowed to

[Gamma Emerald]

cya