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[NoPowerOverMe]

Usually scum self hammer.

[Datisi]

yeah, when there's 2 or 3 of them and one is basically caught and they want to cut off discussion. not when there's only one of them left...?

[NoPowerOverMe]

We'll see soon enough.

[JacksonVirgo]

You're gonna have to wait for me to finish work sorry fam

[JacksonVirgo]

Stage Name: Minjae
Full Name: Song Min Jae
Group: MCND
Position: Lead Vocalist, Lead Dancer
Birthday: August 23rd 2003

VC 5.5

Rannygazoo

(2) -> Elements, Luca Blight,Rannygazoo

[GANKED]

Not Voting

(2) -> NoPowerOverMe, Datisi

Rannygazoo has been eliminated!

[JacksonVirgo]

Rannygazoo has been ganked... they were a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Night 5 Starts Now! It ends 48 hours after this post or when the following timer ends

(expired on 2021-03-04 17:05:00)

[JacksonVirgo]

Also fyi do not post about night skips in the thread, even if it's unlocked and in twilight.
Do so in private.

[JacksonVirgo]

You wake up to see someone missing in the Town... They left a note behind in a house full of smashed kitchenware and signs of struggle...

Spoiler:

NoPowerOverMe was a

Vanilla Townie

Day 6 Starts!

With 3 alive it takes 2 votes to hammer!
Day ends in (expired on 2021-03-12 11:45:00)

[Datisi]

i'm literally already in bed but i just want to acknowledge that i hate everything and one of you is truly trying to ruin my day

ok goodnight

[Luca Blight]

Well that's made things a bit easier, as Elements is now confirmed scum fmpov.

VOTE: Elements

I'll start making my case against them soon.

[Luca Blight]

I actually think NPOM was a sub-optimal NK, but I think I can deduce the reasoning behind it

[Luca Blight]

Although elements posting fast night before the flip leads me to believe he is scum.

In fact I'm going out on a limb and saying that's a scumslip. Town would assume the game is over especially since he voted ranny.

Elements was probably concerned about this and thought they'd have stronger chance WIFOM'ing Datisi in ELO.

[Luca Blight]

I also thought Elements' stance on NPOM Yesterday was weird generally.

[Luca Blight]

I still just think it's ranny

why do you think it's ranny, esp if dn doesn't have a clear on npom?

Day one NPOM is very town. NPOM after deciding to work with us this day phase is very town.
Luca is also quite town.

This, in hindsight, seems like ELO prep.

Elements was hard TR'ing me earlier in the day, but then changes their stance here probably after reasling a NPOM elim in ELO was going to be very unlikely.

[Luca Blight]

Elements' view on NPOM really seems agenda-driven the more I look at it.

Spoiler:

VOTE: NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

Is this seriously who you think is scum or is this pressure?

I think it's NPOM

VOTE: Ranny
It's just Ranny then

npom confuses me

does anyone else think npom is spouting random garbage?

I still just think it's ranny

why do you think it's ranny, esp if dn doesn't have a clear on npom?

Day one NPOM is very town. NPOM after deciding to work with us this day phase is very town.
Luca is also quite town.

There are potential mech clears on NPOM and (as I've said a number of times) his day one was very towny. I've been trying to hold on to my town read on NPOM basically the entire game because I'm rlly good at succumbing to recency bias. Like, if someone does one, in my eyes, garbage post, that can often sway my read on them.

At the start of D5 Elements votes NPOM and states with some conviction that he is the last scum, before moving over to Ranny when it came out about the possible DeathNote track. Elements then throws some shade at NPOM as the day progresses and people became a little paranoid of him, then nearing the end of the day Elements laid down his cards and decided to hard-TR NPOM.

Yes, Elements townread NPOM earlier in the game, but this seems political rather than organic. Most likely Elements was trying to butter NPOM up a bit, before the twilight posts that got him killed.

[Datisi]

yay i'm conftown, kill me. will be here soon(tm).

[Elements]

VOTE: Luca Blight

[Elements]

Elements' view on NPOM really seems agenda-driven the more I look at it.

Spoiler:

VOTE: NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

Is this seriously who you think is scum or is this pressure?

I think it's NPOM

VOTE: Ranny
It's just Ranny then

npom confuses me

does anyone else think npom is spouting random garbage?

I still just think it's ranny

why do you think it's ranny, esp if dn doesn't have a clear on npom?

Day one NPOM is very town. NPOM after deciding to work with us this day phase is very town.
Luca is also quite town.

There are potential mech clears on NPOM and (as I've said a number of times) his day one was very towny. I've been trying to hold on to my town read on NPOM basically the entire game because I'm rlly good at succumbing to recency bias. Like, if someone does one, in my eyes, garbage post, that can often sway my read on them.

At the start of D5 Elements votes NPOM and states with some conviction that he is the last scum, before moving over to Ranny when it came out about the possible DeathNote track. Elements then throws some shade at NPOM as the day progresses and people became a little paranoid of him, then nearing the end of the day Elements laid down his cards and decided to hard-TR NPOM.

Yes, Elements townread NPOM earlier in the game, but this seems political rather than organic. Most likely Elements was trying to butter NPOM up a bit, before the twilight posts that got him killed.

I find this "case" on me absolutely hilarious. You are literally quoting my confusion at who scum could be and calling it an agenda.
Also Luca, you made the wrong kill. I was erring more on the lise of voting NPOM today if you'd killed Datisi.

[Elements]

*side

[Elements]

Shade at NPOM

Spoiler:

VOTE: saudale

This, within the surrounding context, seems a probable bus. NPOM was hard-pushing Cook, and when the wagon didn't gain traction and the Saudade wagon was picking up pace again (DeathNote had just voted him) NPOM switches to Saudade and then pushes him with utmost conviction. I played with NPOM is a couple of previous games and I don't remember him ever being so sure in his reads as he has been in this game.

And the general 1v1 dynamic between Saudade and NPOM makes sense from someone who knows he's being bussed and just wants to create as much distance as possible.

This also follows a similar pattern:

Nah. It's hard to scum hunt when your answers can't be taken seriously. We can do this the official way though.

VOTE: firebringer

I want to know your role and what actions you took since you want to be coy about it.

VOTE: firebringer

Sounds like he is setting up to retract his cop claim.

VOTE: NPOM

I fake claimed cop our first game together.

Once again DeathNote votes scum, NPOM follows suit and quickly gets into a 1v1 with said scum. Both Saudade and Firebringer played like they were being bussed, given they're both experienced players. I believe the plan behind this was to sacrifice Firebringer for the sake of outing a PR and giving his partner enough towncred to coast home once the PR's had been killed.

I guess it's possible from the perspective that NPOM hard-bussed both partners, and both Saudade and Fire attempted as much distancing as possible before they were yeeted.

It's probably unlikely but I'm getting paranoid. I just came out of a game where an apparent 'conftown' ended up being the last scum and nearly won off the back of it.

See ya... I would expect several players here to do it but Salsa also is a newer player so it isn't a for sure thing.

No, NPOM isn't scum and I don't see how NPOM would ever push the people he pushes as scum.

If he is scum, then hot damn good work and maybe we will catch him in lylo lol

. I just don't see a reason to vote that slot right now

.

I get the feeling this is actually a crumb that he doesn't have a clear on him. The way he worded this post makes it sound as though he was hard TR'ing NPOM based on play alone and the players he pushed.

When you compare with the Datisi crumb, he gave no reasoning as to why he believed so strongly that Datisi was town, but with NPOM he gives clear reasoning.

[Elements]

Everyone else felt towny at that point except for one of the cop claims so by PoE scum had to be one of the inactives.

I’ll stand by this. There is scum in {Zuko, SoS, Saudade}.

Lists two scum in his early PoE

Flash wagon on SoS go VOTE: SoS

But decides to flash wagon the only Town because..???

I don’t see any convincing reason to vote Zuko rather than SOS.

Right, but this statement could easily be reversed. Also as Datisi and I had pointed out, Zuko's content was scummier in the sense that he tried to make it look as though he was posting content, whereas SoS wasn't trying to dress his posts up at all.

I'm inclined to think sos and Shig are scum buddies.

Why? There are people trying to pivot away from the SOS wagon for no good reason but Shiggy isn’t the first one that comes to mind.

This seems like a subtle defence of Zuko, and also a sly attempt to discredit me by making out I was defending SoS, but without naming me directly.

question to the table: why was it so easy to wagon sos yesterday, but zuko never got past 2 votes, despite the slots feeling decently similar

Not enough votes to go around? The vibe I got from Zuko is that he was distracted but willing to try. When SoS posted 771, it became clear that he would never help town and had to go.

@Luca I’ve played two games with PlusJOYED (helped wagon him in the first) and in both of them, he just seemed lost. Like he was some issues to be work out and shouldn’t be playing mafia. I was dead when he was eliminated the second time around, but it was the right choice because he was never going to contribute and the slot was always going to be suspicious.

I don’t feel that way about Zuko’s slot, and I don’t really buy that SoS was a counter-wagon to Zuko, because it was there first. In fact, I’m going to take it nice and chill until Zuko is replaced.

D2 Rannygazoo defends Zuko a bit here, and wanted to take it easy on him until he was replaced.

i cba to do the other two but if you go through Luca's iso from yesterday he's throwing shade at all three of NPOM, Ranny, and I.

[Elements]

ignore the quote in that

[Elements]

Right now this is where I'm at:

NPOM makes most sense from the perspective of scum bussing hard and committing to that. I'd normally rule this out, but the way Saudade and Firebringer played means this is a possiblilty.

Elements makes most sense in terms of his lack of interest/interactions with the Firebringer slot, and in terms of creating distancing but trying to steer away from the elim before realising it's too far gone.

Rannygazoo makes the most sense in terms of deflecting away from Zuko D1. He looks more Townie than the others in terms of his Saudade stance I'd say. Probably in terms of his Firebringer stance as well.

Gun to head, I'd probably say Elements is most likely, followed by NPOM and then gazoo.

I'm willing to bet that Datisi is Town, and I'd like to hear his opinion on everything before I commit to voting.

This is Luca literally setting himself up to vote whichever way the town choose to lean.

[Elements]

Spoiler:

Town
{Noraa, Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

VOTE: Daisy

Town
{Noraa, Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca, Shigaraki, Death}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

Updated to include all players, for some reason I thought this was an 11 player game.

Again, I just don't forget a scum buddy at the start of the game.

[Elements]

I am not competent enough as scum to make it to a final three with this much uncertainty going on