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[innocentvillager]

do any of the people voting someone other than (Bell/Agar) or mastina want to talk more about that because the Bell wagon is the same people as the agar wagon and it feels like nothing's moved in ages

ive said my piece on jjh and there's a chance this is just bias but i'm pretty shocked more people aren't SRing that slot. i see no townie behavior there at all

like unless this is just super lazy town who is unwilling to engage with their SR (which seems super unlikely because jjh said himself that i'm like a really weak SR which in of itself on day 3 is weird imo especially because he's just staying on me) then i just don't see this being town at all

bell/titus are the only other reasonable elims today imo with bell having a decent shot at flipping red while jjh is much higher imo, titus being least likely of the 3 i'd say

agar wagon was bad

mastina wagon is bad

one of titus/bell is also probably scum which i think im even more sure of now given bell's posting about titus on the last page

i am willing to compromise on bell but i think

jjh/titus are more likely red flips

tbh

What changed here?

oh yeah i was going to ask winter flakes this last night thank you

[Winter Flakes]

infinity said bell was being townie toward end when they were being wagoned and I kinda agreed whereas Titus didn't really seem like a townie presence over the course of the game

[AGar]

Oka do me a favor: please explicitly state you were told you were visited by a Neapolitan last night.

[innocentvillager]

wow i started playing this hellish game 9 years ago

[innocentvillager]

I posit an alternative.
Given Mastina's current reads and positions now is probably a good time to eliminate her.
She's never getting night killed and she's going to end up in elo. As either alignment she is going to vote incorrectly and lose us the game.

this is kinda yuck

townie as in this?

[Ythan]

wow i started playing this hellish game 9 years ago

Thought you meant this specific game for a second. Happy cake day.

[Winter Flakes]

I posit an alternative.
Given Mastina's current reads and positions now is probably a good time to eliminate her.
She's never getting night killed and she's going to end up in elo. As either alignment she is going to vote incorrectly and lose us the game.

this is kinda yuck

townie as in this?

no that was +scum

[implosion]

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Vote Count 4.3 (UNCHANGED)

OkaPoka

(4): mastina, jjh927, Hopkirk, Titus

jjh927

(1): OkaPoka

Not Voting

(6): innocentvillager, AGar, Winter Flakes, Cephrir, Ythan, Almost50

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 1:00 AM PST on March 25, in (expired on 2021-03-25 05:00:00).

[Almost50]

am i crazy? jjh's invests should've been on ythan and titus? does nobody else see that? choosing me and hop as the invest targets is +scumequity. im okay with you guys limming me but i hope you guys understand that jjh's checks means he's scum lol

It's easy.. when you flip red we will then turn around and say jjh was bussing for Town credit.

[Almost50]

i know i am right but if literally everyone else disagrees with me maybe then its not scummy ig i thought optimal checks are obv whatever

Serious talk: Optimal play is almost never obvious. You need to catch Scum by surprise. After all, they are not playing "clean" either.

[mastina]

Guess we're yeeting Oka today. K.

This is scum who has given up and in spite of not conceding, knows the game is over and that the scum have lost.

[mastina]

why hasn't hop claimed yet btw?

Because there isn't a clear consensus on whether he should.

I am confident enough in him being town that I am okay with him not claiming today because I feel that he is town enough without claiming.

However, I am not the entirety of the town; there's other opinions to be had, so it's not clear if he should to alleviate the doubt or if he shouldn't because of trust in him.

[mastina]

jjh is there no doubt in your mind oka is scum?

There's none in mine.

Oka voting, and trying to push, jjh, is clearly a combination of desperation (can't win the game if town doesn't buy into the paranoid occam's razor violation) and a deliberate attempt to avoid spewing further information after he flips scum.

Because picking roles for a setup isnt about picking the least amount of modifiers?

Sure, but in terms of setup design I am a NRG reviewer and I can attest to how any setup where jjh is a scum announcing neapolitan of any kind, backup, modifiers, full, when the town has a 3x announcing neapolitan, is incredibly unlikely, borderline-bastard, requires a bunch of contrived convoluted circumstances to justify existing and runs contrary to years upon years of setup design.

Whereas a town universal backup inhering the role of Dannflor's 3x announcing Neapolitan after he was the N1 scum nightkill is a much, much simpler explanation that fits into the setup's balance (I have a fairly good approximation of this game's TPRs), mitigates the swing involved in the game, and fits, personality-wise, with what I know of jjh's play as a power role of this kind.

[mastina]

So we should spend the rest of the game eliming the entire titus wagon even though titus is unflipped?

I mean--since 'the rest of the game' is likely to be, precisely, 2-3 days (because between Oka+AGar+Winter Flakes, and highly likely to be Oka+AGar, we're gonna find the last two scum), pretty much, yes.

If the game went past that because somehow that trio didn't contain both the remaining scum: Sure, we can reassess and reevaluate.

But until such a time as that happens (when it is almost assuredly not going to), it is a safe assumption Titus is town.

The scum were already down a member--losing one member, their Goon, is fine, but losing a second member when the scumteam know there's a UB turned 3x Neapolitan out there who could generate results that threaten to crush them, along with the interactions generated from the flip of said scum and those that have pushed that player as scum, is not. By losing two scum, the scum are trapped by the combined POE of {power roles, flipped scum's interactions with town, town who pushed for the flip of the flipped scum, scum's interactions with the flipped scum}.

They couldn't afford to lose Bell.

So they doubled down on trying to save him.

You can see it in how hard OkaPoka was pushing Titus there and you can see it in how AGar had one of the scummiest possible hop-ons of all time. They knew that if the Bell wagon went through, they were doomed. So the scum tried to hard-force a Titus wagon.

Not something likely to happen if Titus is scum herself.

Plus, there can only be so many scum.

You pretty much have a guarantee of 1 scum in {Oka, A50, Hopkirk} (and it aint A50 or Hopkirk).
That means a maximum of 1 scum outside the group.

Also Titus had been scumreading the Bell slot the entirety of the game pretty much, dating back to D1 when the slot was occupied by the worst. Of all the Bell pushers, across the game she was one of the hardest. She pushed Luca and she pushed Bell; for her to be scum, she'd have needed to double-bus: not impossible, but incredibly improbable imo.

[Cephrir]

Eh, alright.

VOTE: Oka

[Titus]

VLA this weekend. Birthday weekend.

[Ythan]

Happy birthday weekend!

[Hopkirk]

oka's scum because they were hard pushing against Bell & they've been shading me the entire game (and backing up agar's shade pretty hard) much more than the claim

[Cephrir]

doing what mastina wants fills me with a powerful foreboding.

[OkaPoka]

yeah i got neapolitan'd can confirm implosion told me

[OkaPoka]

And now the end is here

[OkaPoka]

And so I face
that final curtain

[OkaPoka]

My friend
I'll make it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain
I've lived
a life that's full
I've voted each - and every wagon
And more - much more than this
I did it
My way

[Cephrir]

[Ythan]

Did you know in some cultures there's a tradition of murdering people who sing that song in public.