oh yeah i was going to ask winter flakes this last night thank youIn post 5645, Cephrir wrote:In post 5315, Winter Flakes wrote:ive said my piece on jjh and there's a chance this is just bias but i'm pretty shocked more people aren't SRing that slot. i see no townie behavior there at allIn post 5302, Hopkirk wrote:do any of the people voting someone other than (Bell/Agar) or mastina want to talk more about that because the Bell wagon is the same people as the agar wagon and it feels like nothing's moved in ages
like unless this is just super lazy town who is unwilling to engage with their SR (which seems super unlikely because jjh said himself that i'm like a really weak SR which in of itself on day 3 is weird imo especially because he's just staying on me) then i just don't see this being town at all
bell/titus are the only other reasonable elims today imo with bell having a decent shot at flipping red while jjh is much higher imo, titus being least likely of the 3 i'd say
agar wagon was bad
mastina wagon is badWhat changed here?In post 5351, Winter Flakes wrote:one of titus/bell is also probably scum which i think im even more sure of now given bell's posting about titus on the last page
i am willing to compromise on bell but i thinkjjh/titus are more likely red flipstbh
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townie as in this?In post 5197, Winter Flakes wrote:
this is kinda yuckIn post 5150, Bell wrote:I posit an alternative.
Given Mastina's current reads and positions now is probably a good time to eliminate her.
She's never getting night killed and she's going to end up in elo. As either alignment she is going to vote incorrectly and lose us the game.-
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Thought you meant this specific game for a second. Happy cake day.In post 5653, innocentvillager wrote:wow i started playing this hellish game 9 years ago-
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no that was +scumIn post 5654, innocentvillager wrote:
townie as in this?In post 5197, Winter Flakes wrote:
this is kinda yuckIn post 5150, Bell wrote:I posit an alternative.
Given Mastina's current reads and positions now is probably a good time to eliminate her.
She's never getting night killed and she's going to end up in elo. As either alignment she is going to vote incorrectly and lose us the game.-Uncrowned Alt-
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It's easy.. when you flip red we will then turn around and say jjh was bussing for Town credit.In post 5516, OkaPoka wrote:am i crazy? jjh's invests should've been on ythan and titus? does nobody else see that? choosing me and hop as the invest targets is +scumequity. im okay with you guys limming me but i hope you guys understand that jjh's checks means he's scum lol
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Serious talk: Optimal play is almost never obvious. You need to catch Scum by surprise. After all, they are not playing "clean" either.In post 5517, OkaPoka wrote:i know i am right but if literally everyone else disagrees with me maybe then its not scummy ig i thought optimal checks are obv whatever
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This is scum who has given up and in spite of not conceding, knows the game is over and that the scum have lost.In post 5512, AGar wrote:Guess we're yeeting Oka today. K.-
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Because there isn't a clear consensus on whether he should.In post 5527, OkaPoka wrote:why hasn't hop claimed yet btw?
I am confident enough in him being town that I am okay with him not claiming today because I feel that he is town enough without claiming.
However, I am not the entirety of the town; there's other opinions to be had, so it's not clear if he should to alleviate the doubt or if he shouldn't because of trust in him.-
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There's none in mine.In post 5563, innocentvillager wrote:jjh is there no doubt in your mind oka is scum?
Oka voting, and trying to push, jjh, is clearly a combination of desperation (can't win the game if town doesn't buy into the paranoid occam's razor violation) and a deliberate attempt to avoid spewing further information after he flips scum.
Sure, but in terms of setup design I am a NRG reviewer and I can attest to how any setup where jjh is a scum announcing neapolitan of any kind, backup, modifiers, full, when the town has a 3x announcing neapolitan, is incredibly unlikely, borderline-bastard, requires a bunch of contrived convoluted circumstances to justify existing and runs contrary to years upon years of setup design.In post 5566, OkaPoka wrote:Because picking roles for a setup isnt about picking the least amount of modifiers?
Whereas a town universal backup inhering the role of Dannflor's 3x announcing Neapolitan after he was the N1 scum nightkill is a much, much simpler explanation that fits into the setup's balance (I have a fairly good approximation of this game's TPRs), mitigates the swing involved in the game, and fits, personality-wise, with what I know of jjh's play as a power role of this kind.-
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I mean--since 'the rest of the game' is likely to be, precisely, 2-3 days (because between Oka+AGar+Winter Flakes, and highly likely to be Oka+AGar, we're gonna find the last two scum), pretty much, yes.In post 5638, Cephrir wrote:So we should spend the rest of the game eliming the entire titus wagon even though titus is unflipped?
If the game went past that because somehow that trio didn't contain both the remaining scum: Sure, we can reassess and reevaluate.
But until such a time as that happens (when it is almost assuredly not going to), it is a safe assumption Titus is town.
The scum were already down a member--losing one member, their Goon, is fine, but losing a second member when the scumteam know there's a UB turned 3x Neapolitan out there who could generate results that threaten to crush them, along with the interactions generated from the flip of said scum and those that have pushed that player as scum, is not. By losing two scum, the scum are trapped by the combined POE of {power roles, flipped scum's interactions with town, town who pushed for the flip of the flipped scum, scum's interactions with the flipped scum}.
They couldn't afford to lose Bell.
So they doubled down on trying to save him.
You can see it in how hard OkaPoka was pushing Titus there and you can see it in how AGar had one of the scummiest possible hop-ons of all time. They knew that if the Bell wagon went through, they were doomed. So the scum tried to hard-force a Titus wagon.
Not something likely to happen if Titus is scum herself.
Plus, there can only be so many scum.
You pretty much have a guarantee of 1 scum in {Oka, A50, Hopkirk} (and it aint A50 or Hopkirk).
That means a maximum of 1 scum outside the group.
Also Titus had been scumreading the Bell slot the entirety of the game pretty much, dating back to D1 when the slot was occupied by the worst. Of all the Bell pushers, across the game she was one of the hardest. She pushed Luca and she pushed Bell; for her to be scum, she'd have needed to double-bus: not impossible, but incredibly improbable imo.-
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