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VOTE: Almost50
Prepare to get greatest plan’ed

Also, my favorite Pokémon Rangers game is Guardian Signs jsyk

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T3, I think you typod again lol.

People familiar with me can expect more activity from me this game than my usual.


VOTE: Almost50
Consider this a greeting since I know you like being greeted to the thread.

Good. Let's avoid Yggdrasil again.

Why are we avoiding Yggdrasil?
As far as I can tell the main issues were the mod issues and the resulting town stomp
Assuming we’re concerned about mod issues, why would those have to do with T3’s post?

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I’d guess 3 mafia per as well, but wouldn’t be surprised by two

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God I love your optimism. Would hug you. But no real sorry to say unless meta has changed drastically buy 3/3 ain't happening shy of 20/21 players on this site. 2/2/1 maybe 3/1 most likely still have a question to ask mod pertaining to that

I had a 7/3/3 game once that didn’t feel horribly misbalanced
It skewed towards scum sure, but it was role madness with actual meaty PRs all around so it wasn’t atrocious

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Gamma Emerald (don't remember their playstyle however)

wut

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Is that about T3?

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Vote: GammaEmerald

what, salty I bodied you in guitarists?

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KittyTacky, cite five Normal games in the past 6 months where scum made wagons 3 pages in.

this is useless busywork

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this is useless busywork

Kitty was claiming scum often do that, so they must prove it.

why the arbitrary requirements for proving it though

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KittyTacky, cite

five Normal games

in the

past 6 months

where scum made wagons 3 pages in.

this is useless busywork

why the explicit number and timeframe?????

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FoS: HEM

I'm not gonna place a vote without reading more but I feel like his scumhunting process isn't natural currently

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what the fuck is that question even

it's not that hard
why'd you set out such specific guidelines, if not to waste as much of kitty's time as you possibly could manage?

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Numbers are evil. Only scum use numbers.

honestly this perfectly encapsulates the feeling I have towards what HEM posted

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Hello excuse me I'm KittyTacky and I don't like wagons because wagons are scummy only scum make wagons

a lot of HEM's posting is this sort of shading garbage
basically a mockumentary presentation of someone else's posting ascribing scum motivation to it

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I actually like Kitty as town. Saying this is all bullshit in a sea of mechanics talk is a good position.

I'm sick of the mechanics talk too. The setup will reveal itself with time.

Well, I guess Elsa can't be TMI about KittyTacky's town alignment because there are two scum teams in this game. So maybe if KittyTacky flips town, Elsa's town as well. Otherwise, if KittyTacky flips scum, there's an obvious connection to be made that Elsa is partners with Kitty.

Not sure I agree with this. Even if Elsa flips scum, it's a factor, not a confirmation. It could be a pocket.

This depends on Elsa scum first.

I feel like these posts lean town

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Ok lovely thank you. The definitions for multiball were always a tad murky to me.

Kitty, how many times have you experienced an early RVS wagon formed by scum as opposed to one formed by town?

this is a way better way to ask what HEM tried to ask

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Admittedly, this is my first large normal and this is my first multiball. I don't know jackshit about multi-ball scum strategy.

I believe I've seen scum fake that sort of questioning but it's able to be detected when it happens
though it was a secretly multiball game vs. a public multiball game
in that game it was actually deduced the game was multiball because the D1 scum elim (or a scum that died n1) had kinda slipped it in a way that became obvious on their scum flip

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Hello excuse me I'm KittyTacky and I don't like wagons because wagons are scummy only scum make wagons

a lot of HEM's posting is this sort of shading garbage
basically a mockumentary presentation of someone else's posting ascribing scum motivation to it

Do you think its unreasonable to think there is scum motivation to it? Is the posting shading if he voted kitty in short order right after?

My issue is with the posting style itself and not how it's fitting into his play as a whole
it doesn't matter that the shade lines up with his actual read when the way the shade is made looks sus asf

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In the game I linked I, a scumbuddy, and someone who later turned out to be a traitor pushed a LHF townie early.

I think this is where I got the idea that early wagons often have scum on them. Too little of a sample size however.

I looked at the first few pages. It looks like the LHF you are referring to is Cabd (which is funny considering he's a decent oldtimer) but the first RVS wagon was actually on scum you. A bit of a strange conclusion even with a sample size of 1

how the fuck was CABD LHF?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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like not only is he a decent oldtimer but upon his return in like summer of last year he has been on a TEAR

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kitty's posting so far looks pretty thoughtful so I'm thinking they're town for that
don't press too hard on this because it's kinda based on an ongoing game

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after reading up from where I was last anchored I feel even better about my hem read
VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
I don't particularly object to elsa though fwiw

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kitty's posting so far looks pretty thoughtful so I'm thinking they're town for that

You say this but its hard to measure how thoughtful they really are when consistently they've been forced to concede that their thoughts to start out with were flimsy. I wouldn't say they've completely cracked under pressure though.

I've been in a position where I've had to walk back misplaced confidence as town before, so I get where kitty is at

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Can we stop referencing ongoing games

it only happened once to my knowledge

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Pretty sure gamma is town here they are more laid back as scum till end game.

Idk how my play in that game was “laid back” early but w/e

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like not only is he a decent oldtimer but upon his return in like summer of last year he has been on a TEAR

My first game with cabd was the one kitty's referring to, and cabd there and cabd in yggdrasil felt like two very different people.



I have townleans on Titus and Gamma.
Specifically liked Titus's posts on Kitty.
For gamma, their hem scumread feels real and with good reasoning.

Am guttown on Cyrus as well, but that might just be his simplistic/straightforward posting style.

I might have to read that, it sounds surreal

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Question 1: It is a possibility. Scum 'parties' indicate a multi-player party. You can't just go party with yourself, right?

Oh, shit! And there was I telling myself that 3rd "party" could/would account for one of them "parties", and taking it further to assign town/scum points to players based on how they perceived it and discussed it.

OK, I guess I'll have to reread and reassign points based on the newly revealed facts. *Sigh*

Have you always done this points system? I don’t recall it

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Titus math stuff is funky. Like if she thinks math is wildly inaccurate I'm not sure why she is worried that he'll be more active and possibly have a bigger impact as opposed to thinking he's going to try harder to be town read this game

Huh? MathBlade is not in this game?

NDMath?????
Maybe try remembering the actual player list in the game you’re playing?

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pretty sure nom and hem are scum on diffent teams

Push buddy vote town?

Game’s multiball so “town” can still be scum

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I'm going to metadive cyrus. I had him pegged correctly as locklocklocktown early day 1 and I'm not getting that same feeling.

I'm going to metadive cyrus. I had him pegged correctly as locklocklocktown early day 1 in Townstumps and I'm not getting that same feeling.

EBWOP

Well what seems different?

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Shoot cyrus doesn't have any scumgames I can compare to.

He does it was just a cancelled game

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lol Nero is probably town

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Everyone is thinking I'm not touching this did he just refer to him self in 2and 3dr person lol

Not only that, but I can guarantee you no one is actually reading any of your back and forth with nero with more than a passing glance, you will never become the target of two nightkills, and that your scumreads will not be taken seriously.

Such is the way all my games go as I said I'm just having fun. And if I can make someone slip in the process then I'm doing good. Yes I'm s easy eliminated target throse that know this and push me are most likely not town throse that know it and don't push me are most likely town. So yes nom is most likely town.

I have limited patience for people whose play style is “I know I’m scummy and I refuse to do anything about it”

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I don't even know what this means exactly, but I wanted to include it in the catch up in case it did make sense later on.

Which part confuses you?

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When was the last time you saw Scum!Gamma make it to end game?? (In my experience, Scum Gamma gets eliminated on D1)

Nani the fuck?

Now I’m furious.

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Hey.
Hey FUCKER.
You know this game?
This game where you abandoned me after I bent over backwards to hydra with you?
I MADE IT TO END GAME IN THIS GAME, AND I WON!!!
DESPITE HAVING TO SUFFER THROUGH A TAINTED SLOT BECAUSE YOU DECIDED TO ELLITELL TO AN EXTREME DEGREE!!!

I hope you’re scum this game Almost50 because if not you clearly don’t know diddly-squat about me.

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Gamma, I don't understand your issue with me at all

I don’t like your posting where you narrate what others are doing and describe the scum motivation you see in it, it comes off as rather contrived and overblown

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I would, if I had any clue where to start

but you just said it's what you've been doing behind the scenes? i feel like you're bullshitting

nom, remind yourself that town have an interest in scumhunting and that's their only interest. what i perceive isn't a presence of scum, but a lack of town.

This makes zero sense. First, since it’s multiball scum also have motive to scum hunt. Second, town also have to convince others they are right, and also not look suspicious.

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I don’t like your posting where you narrate what others are doing and describe the scum motivation you see in it, it comes off as rather contrived and overblown

Okay... why is that scum?

It feels like you don’t really believe your reads so you have to showboat in order to act like you do

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I'm going slap someone if they don't read that major advice I just gave on catching scum.

I read it and it’s a good advice tbh

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Well, don't you think my reads make sense?

Maybe
But why the dramatic narration?

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Truth be told I see a lot of things going in very different directions, people entertaining vastly different tangents, going in very different directions and I go "argh" and skim through most of it.
I prefer when there are simple to follow discussions lol

The trick will be like that one game I played " I don't remember the name of this game" scum didn't know who each other were so we had to drop hints. For are partners to know who we were. So look for people dropping hints. Remember scum don't want to look like scum but they do have to catch each other's attention.

Not sure who I helped here with this . I may have helped scum more. I was trying to help town with this.

This post actually feels rather towny
This isn’t a hard read though, I feel like in the past I have faked this sort of stuff as scum myself, but full disclosure I don’t think Cyrus is quite at that level to make that sort of play

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But why the dramatic narration?

I'm having fun

Fair enough
I noticed the frequency of it dropped once I mentioned it so I’ll give it a rest
VOTE: Almost50
I’m not really confident on this but his approach to me feels

way fucking off

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What is Cyrus even doing though? I'm getting Not_Mafia flashbacks.

Not_Mafia is trolling. Cyrus is sincere.

Yeah this is about right
Source: played a game with both of them in it

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Why are you avoiding Elsa's slot? What's your read on Elsa's slot?

I find Elsa scummy
But I don’t want to make it so Elsa is the only one facing pressure

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Everyone is thinking I'm not touching this did he just refer to him self in 2and 3dr person lol

Not only that, but I can guarantee you no one is actually reading any of your back and forth with nero with more than a passing glance, you will never become the target of two nightkills, and that your scumreads will not be taken seriously.

Such is the way all my games go as I said I'm just having fun. And if I can make someone slip in the process then I'm doing good. Yes I'm s easy eliminated target throse that know this and push me are most likely not town throse that know it and don't push me are most likely town. So yes nom is most likely town.

I have limited patience for people whose play style is “I know I’m scummy and I refuse to do anything about it”

it's a good thing I anit here to impress you anit it. Other words get over your self. Ge can we just have fun.

The thing is that “limited patience” tends to end in a vote on the person so you’d best not try me while there’s a wagon on you

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I’m sorry but you negated all goodwill towards you this game by mocking me like you did.
And at this point you don’t get any explanation for my first post. Not like I’d expect you to need it, but this game is full of surprises.

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I already felt burned after Booneytoonz XVI, and that just put a pound of salt in the wound

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I think this is my worst nightmare. I can't get the net to work on my desktop so I'll try to play on my phone. Wish me luck.

Phoneposting isn't that bad for this TBH.

I post on a

kindle paperwhite

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bro
I have surfed the internet on classic kindle and it HURTS

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At this point cyrus seems town who is trying to do some weird gambit. Just ignore him and vig.

??????????
Why are (presumably) you saying to vig town?

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Gamma and Almost50 gives me scum theater vibes

Oh hell no

This

dirty laundry would have stayed in the PT if we were scum together

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The push on Cyrus feels overblown

How?

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I'm looking at Almost50's iso right now and I honestly have no idea how to read this.

Like am I supposed to townread this? It just feels like a reaction video for this thread than an actual attempt at solving stuff

That’s kinda how he is
But I kinda want more details because if you’re onto something then he called me out for the exact thing he did

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Honestly Almost doesn't seem like he's in a good mood RN so I reserve a read until I see him back to normal. Unless rage is a scumtell for him, which I doubt.

Why does Almost50 seem enraged?

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Bashing me for not being active is something that scum has very much done before so they can shade me slot.

This is definitely true

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I'll say it again: cyrus doesn't function like the vast majority of players and reading him from that angle will produce horrible results.

nom³ can you either expand on your Cyrus townread or point me towards some posts where you’ve explained it?

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why is that a scum slip cyrus?

they dont make brain farts like that in any town game i have been with them in.

This seems like a pretty weak tell ngl

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21. I'm confess I skipped A50's catchup 300+. I skipped to the end to geta TL;DR. I was surprised there was not one. This is fairly dissonant, suggestive of active lurking (because there's a barrier to engaging with him, but he's behaving as if he wants to be active and engage)

I could see A50 active lurking as scum
His recent scum meta seems to be to slank through

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Btw I feel like that wall from Iecerint was towny

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And Gamma? He is very emotional. Again, not specific posts, it's his

tone

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If I wanted a pocket I'd use it on someone more useful then you Kitty.

And you instantly jumped on me yet again because someone elsa suggested it.

And if I do die day 1, because I defended YOU, then you'll remember you probably would've gotten killed instead if I decided to keep my mouth shut. Well maybe Cyrus but he atleast seems to be trying. You aren't.

Yikes, not a fan of these

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That’s referring to the Elsa posts, oop

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Well isn't it similar to your scum meta on him where you said he wants about quick hammers? Isn't it kinda similar that he's warning us to be extra careful who we vote and his earlier fear mongering that scum could be on elsa

this is so not town Nero I can't show why till ongoing game is over but I can say trust me.

Maybe my Nero scum far is broken but I don’t feel this way about him

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Can we discuss something other than meta? Thanks.

The way Elsa tries to dismantle their wagon by creating different reasons they're being wagoned to try to paint the wagon as bad is scummy

Aside from that, they just don't feel towny

I was already good with the Elsa wagon but this point resonates with me

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The mod did spell it using the British spelling which confirms Elsa's neighborizer claim but I don't think there would be a 1 shot neighborizer and 2 shot both town in the same game.

yeah this logic seems sensible

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I think there is a dynamic where scum want to neighborize the other scumteam.

given I rolled scum neighborizer in a multiball game myself before this makes sense
as such it also makes elsa's claim the less trustworthy one as scum just need to make the one connection

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I google "films called cops" and found a film done in 1920 so I pretended to typo 1920 in my first post.
I google "films called doctor" and found a film done in 1920 so I pretended to typo 1920 in my first post.
I google "films called vigilante" and found a film done in 1920 so I pretended to typo 1920 in my first post.

why the hell did you post this

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okay I kinda get it reading the previous page back over

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It was a bad crumb but I wasn't sure how else.

something involving Mr. Rogers?

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That list... Wasn't as helpful as I wanted it but I got soaked running home in the rain and I'm sleepy so I'm posting the beta now. Ftr my nulls could be more passive scum.

I did feel a bit concerned about the nulls and I do feel like the way this addresses them is alright

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Iecerint, LuciferMorningStar, Testarossa?

No, meh, and meh

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Reading setup reviews, a heavily gated neighborizer is often scum.

When did you read those reviews? Weren’t you busy?

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Yeah on a second thought, just 1-for-1 the two of them.

Unless the mod is trolling us we are unlikely to have 2 town neighborizers.

Both can be scum though, from different teams if that's the case. So keep that in mind.

I hate these posts all bunched together like this
It’s a scummy sort of hate FYI

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I think Cyrus might be full of shit because he doesn’t have more than one completed game with me where I was scum

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gamma mostly mingles with town but if given a chance will jump on easy wagons also finds the tinyest reasons to scum read people.

I think Cyrus might be full of shit because he doesn’t have more than one completed game with me where I was scum

Gamma, do you feel like this is an accurate representation of your scum game? Doesn't matter where it's from.

Kinda?
Like from what Cyrus has seen I can believe he thinks it but imo it’s not exactly accurate, but this just feeds into what A50 said earlier

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Reading setup reviews, a heavily gated neighborizer is often scum.

When did you read those reviews? Weren’t you busy?

I had been reading them for weeks before to learn about setup stuff. It's not a recent thing.

okay

Yeah on a second thought, just 1-for-1 the two of them.

Unless the mod is trolling us we are unlikely to have 2 town neighborizers.

Both can be scum though, from different teams if that's the case. So keep that in mind.

I hate these posts all bunched together like this
It’s a scummy sort of hate FYI

I have a problem with hitting the submit button too early and having to finish my thoughts in a second (or third, or fourth) post.

The multi post isn’t the issue. The issue is the set of thoughts expressed.

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How so>

I don't like that you covered literally every single possible outcome there, feels like you're afraid of taking a hard stance

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Who are we still waiting to see check in?

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Who are we still waiting to see check in?

This feels like scum waning a quick mis elim

More like I’m just feeling like we should just end the day because we’re probably elimming Elsa so a prolonged discussion is unhelpful

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Who are we still waiting to see check in?

This feels like scum waning a quick mis elim

More like I’m just feeling like we should just end the day because we’re probably elimming Elsa so a prolonged discussion is unhelpful

it helps town more. Maybe we can find other scum before we lose 2 to 4? Town?

If the wagon is pre-determined scum won’t feel as pressured, and D1s that drag on tend to result in town losses I believe
In fact I believe a too-short D1 is more workable for town than a too-long D1

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wouldnt scum kill her target ruining her one shot making her claim look fake? Sorry just thinking how I hander. prs as scum which is why I said chumb her target.

Her claim looks fake now. If her target dies, then nothing changes — she gets another shot until she dies or she dies from being weak. But the fact is, she's useless anyway if we don't know who she targeted. If she can show us that she crumbed or announced her target around the time she claimed, I might reconsider.

Just so you know I anit stoping you from voteing her off f you want to I'm just trying to avoid a mislim but it might not be I realy don't know I'm just saying make sure she's scum 1st

I think you’re town for how you’ve been defending* Elsa, it reminds me of how I defended Noraa in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Mafia
*I dunno if this is the right word but ah don’t want search for a better one

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Who are we still waiting to see check in?

This feels like scum waning a quick mis elim

naw THIS feels like scum gearing up for a d2 gamma push

Who are we still waiting to see check in?

andre and the lucifer replace

Tbh I’m getting tired of Andre putting games on hold because he can’t balance work and play or w/e
It happened in mini 2213 and it’s happening here now
It is not a mark of shame to replace out if you don’t have time. I’m not trying to say he should do this, just voicing my feelings from my own struggles.

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Honestly I don’t see how a weak role fits into a setup where we already might have 3 dead players at night

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Is this just copypasta fest now?

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I mean if it is I have one of my own to whip out
It’s no skin off my back

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I’m telling you, cyrus62 is as cracked as he is jacked. I saw him at a 7-11 the other day buying Redbull and adult diapers. I asked him what the diapers were for and he said ”they contain my full power so I don’t completely shit on these kids“ then he rode a boar out the door

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If I get killed in the night pls look very hard at A50

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2041 is the only thing I can tell you.

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well shit

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KittyTacky, do you have anything you think you should claim?

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who are your suspects for other scum team?

I like this question from Arc

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Except from my experience scum in multiball tend to show their colors when scumhunting because they only are looking for a single team. Which is almost exactly what your play has come off as recently.

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Arguments for eliminating Elsa's partner:
-We have information to go off of
-The pool is narrow so better accuracy
-Remove a kill (both scum teams are aiming at town)
-There's still a chance that the people in the pool happen to be mafia from the other team. The reverse is not as likely.

Now let's hear your reasoning, or is this just omgus?

I'd need some time to actually collect examples given the time it's been since I've played a multiball game but I believe my logic is sound.
PEdit: oh I can say for certain I caught a crumb but it had a very confusing scent!

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Okay then.
I'm a 1-shot gunsmith. I crumbed in my opening post

VOTE: Almost50
Prepare to get greatest plan’ed

Also, my favorite Pokémon Rangers game is Guardian Signs jsyk

Pokemon Rangers = power role, guardian signs = gunsmith
The reason I'd been poking Almost50 about this is that I used a similar means of crumbing as he did in Mini 2041. That's why I dropped that number during Twilight yesterday. I also thought AD crumbed gunsmith himself in that quoted post rather than cop, which is why I am confused by it because he dropped a crumb for a role that he is not but that I am.
I targeted KittyTacky last night and got no result. My current guess is that one of the scumteams has a roleblocker that targeted me.

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I've given you a pool of 4 people with you in it, and instead of looking at the three others, even when told that eliminating that team is better, you've decided to take a hard omgus stance against me instead

No, your logic isn't "sound"

I don't think you're the only one who's done the "hunt one team" thing but you're CERTAINLY the one who is the most obvious about it
The fact I'm in your pool means NOTHING to my point.

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Nevermind that crumb thing, actiondan wouldn't have acted last night.

also what the hell does this mean

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Within Dunnstral's pool, I think Gamma looks suspicious. In particular, I think Gamma's late-day comment about "please look at A50 when I die" both a) seemed affected in its AtE (e.g., because the frustration seemed out of proportion to how much Gamma had actually been pushing A50), and b) seemed out of date, because A50's main sketchy attack on Elsa had been clarified to involve irritability spilling over from another game.

For non-Elsa-Scum, I'm suspicious of HEM.

VOTE: Gamma

Pedit: Does "no result" mean "no gun" or "blocked"?

My post about looking at A50 after I die loops back to my crumbing. If I DID die, my hunch was that A50 was scum, actually DID catch my crumb, and rather than actually working with me, decided to hold that info and snipe me. There was no frustration, merely anxiety and concern at seeing someone who is very adept at thinking outside the box fail miserably at it.
This also raises the question to HEM and others wanting to push me atp: why the FUCK do I play the way I have as scum? I have called attention to myself in very inopportune ways, ways that would make me a prime choice for a NK. Which alignment do you think has more to lose by getting NKed?

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Nevermind that crumb thing, actiondan wouldn't have acted last night.

also what the hell does this mean

Look at Dan's role again

I think you're mixing things up because NDMATH was the even-night role, ACTIONDAN was 2-shot. He COULD HAVE acted last night!

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wait then WHY ARE THE ROLE PMs IN OPPOSITE ORDER TO THE FLIPS??????

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I'm actually confused as to why the fuck Sirius did that
and now AD's crumb makes even LESS sense because his role isn't anywhere close to mine, and he had no apparent reason to signal anything like mine

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I would have probably bussed, actually
but I don't see why that question matters. I not only crumbed, I tried to draw attention to it to interpret someone else's alignment. And when I didn't like what I saw, I made it clear. That's not in any way playing to fly under the radar, it is making enemies. And do you know what scum do to their enemies? THEY KILL THEM! And think about the numbers scum have vs. the numbers town have. Do you honestly think scum play the game I have, when one death matters a whole lot more to them?

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did you not read the post where I claimed?

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I only had the one, barring any sub-conscious crumbs I ended up posting

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Real tricky, those sub-conscious crumbs

I have an issue with realizing the full effect of what I say in the moment.

I would have probably bussed, actually

Do you think it's misguided to check on those outside of Elsa's wagon to check for Elsa's partner?

Maybe. Do you think his partner would have missed the signs that he was a lost cause?

So since you were allegedly roleblocked, shouldn't you be going after almost50?

I have considered that, and I will likely get there but I kinda wanna see how he reacts to the claim.

Well, this is gonna be stupid question, but why weren't you killed after crumbling that hard?

I only really dropped the one crumb to my role itself, everything else was just stuff that had to do with A50. I think I was not killed because I was less obvtown but still perceived as a threat by scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Based on kills, the mafia team were aiming at town for sure (and not elsa's partner)

Yo Dunn, can you explain this? How are you so sure that the mafia team were aiming at town for sure?

I have my own problem with this. AD was obvtown for sure, but NDMath, not so much. So really it's just an expansion/specification of what you said but it should still be brought up. Perhaps NDMath was the kill of Dunn's team?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd argue nero has a chance to be a partner

b/c I didn't vote Elsa yet? b/c im pushing cyrus?

I'm going with Nero as scum last person action Dan spoke of before they died I'm also thinking gamma since they were flaged as well and that towny is also dead.

pretty sure dan was TRing me

[Gamma Emerald]

why do you think your list is the be-all-end-all for werewolf hunting?

[Gamma Emerald]

T3

Almost50

Gamma Emerald

cyrus62

Titus

Arcangel9 (replaces LuciferMorningStar)

ActionDan

KittyTacky

Nero Cain

Testarossa

Andresvmb

NDMath

Iecerint

humaneatingmonkey

nomnomnom

Blue names are people who I have given me at least some reason to believe that they're not aligned with Elsa.

I am assuming 2 scum on each team, right now, but this doesn't get shaked up too hard even if there are 3.

That means that if I didn't false-clear anybody, Elsa's partner should be within this pool of 4:
[Gamma Emerald, Arcangel9, Andresvmp, iecerint]

Additionally, there's nothing preventing names on this list from being mafia of the opposite alignment. Meaning, mechanically, I think it makes the most sense to look here first.

My interpretation is that Andres and Arc are on the list because of their lack of presence and therefore you think the/a partner is probably within {Gamma, iecerint}. Essentially half of iecerint's iso is focusing on and mostly defending elsa, I would definitely look there before gamma.
I'd need to spend some time looking at each individual players interactions with ej before I can confidently agree with your association pool, but I am leaning that way.

pretty sure nd math didn't tr you

he suspected iecerint more, which I will admit has been a reason I have used before to explain away a NK that looked bad for me
but the real reason I called that out was because you were specifically analyzing the

ActionDan

kill. So nice try moving the goalposts bub.

[Gamma Emerald]

Based on kills, the mafia team were aiming at town for sure (and not elsa's partner)

Yo Dunn, can you explain this? How are you so sure that the mafia team were aiming at town for sure?

I have my own problem with this. AD was obvtown for sure, but NDMath, not so much. So really it's just an expansion/specification of what you said but it should still be brought up. Perhaps NDMath was the kill of Dunn's team?

They were both pretty obviously not aligned with Elsa; I've went over this.

The mafia team would have had to have been looking for Elsa's partner. Instead they shot at someone who clearly wasn't, ergo they were aiming at town

This only specifies that the mafia team weren't aiming for the other team
what about the werewolves?

why do you think your list is the be-all-end-all for werewolf hunting?

Who do you think elsa's partners could be?

I'm not sure but I think your PoE feels too narrow, from a skim I had already gotten a sense that some of your reasons for removing players were weak
and why do you say partners? didn't you say you don't think this is a 6 scum game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, which kill was made by the mafia team?

That is irrelevant, as both kills would mean they were aiming at town.

I also don't know that

Again you miss the key point that your logic only accounts for the mafia team's kill. Your logic is like Swiss cheese, it's so full of holes!

[Gamma Emerald]

This only specifies that the mafia team weren't aiming for the other team
what about the werewolves?

I'm obviously not a werewolf so does it matter?

According to you, sure you're not a werewolf
I haven't investigated that matter yet, so I can't speak with the same confidence.

[Gamma Emerald]

then you need to write you posts out more clearly

[Gamma Emerald]

So since you were allegedly roleblocked, shouldn't you be going after almost50?

Not exactly the question I had in mind, but it'll do. Mine would have been: why didn't Gamma target me rather than Kitty?

I wanted to target someone who seemed likely to be run up the next day to function as a fact-check to their claim. While I had bad vibes from you, you weren't a suspect for reasons that didn't feel like petty beef on some level. Kitty meanwhile actually seemed like someone who might get voted a fair amount.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay then.
I'm a 1-shot gunsmith. I crumbed in my opening post

VOTE: Almost50
Prepare to get greatest plan’ed

Also, my favorite Pokémon Rangers game is Guardian Signs jsyk

Pokemon Rangers = power role, guardian signs = gunsmith
The reason I'd been poking Almost50 about this is that I used a similar means of crumbing as he did in Mini 2041. That's why I dropped that number during Twilight yesterday. I also thought AD crumbed gunsmith himself in that quoted post rather than cop, which is why I am confused by it because he dropped a crumb for a role that he is not but that I am.
I targeted KittyTacky last night and got no result. My current guess is that one of the scumteams has a roleblocker that targeted me.

Why would town have a cop and a gunsmith?

they're both gated though?
and like, my role obviously exists alongside some false positive/negative, that's the exact point of gunsmith

Also, I kept this to myself D1, but I was shitting myself at the though of AD having my role. After what happened between T3 and Elsa, how the hell was I going to explain that we had the same role in a way that satisfied people? And I had AD as a townread even after he crumbed, so it seemed like a total loss. That's why I've been flipping out at his flip, because he crumbed something he wasn't that gave me unwarranted anxiety!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

Werewolves don't even have guns in flavor, so gunsmith doesn't make sense as a claim

Even the normal guidelines don't say anything about that.

hold on a second, but know this: you're fucking wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

Clarification: Werewolves should count as an 'Alternate Mafia'

.

BOOYAH BITCH
I was gonna work towards pointing this out in my own way but this covers it.

[Gamma Emerald]

So why are you a gunsmith when the other guy is an alignment cop?

because the setup works better that way? Don't ask me, ask Sirius (or whoever pre-designed this) in post-game

[Gamma Emerald]

Based on kills, the mafia team were aiming at town for sure (and not elsa's partner)

Yo Dunn, can you explain this? How are you so sure that the mafia team were aiming at town for sure?

Ok, >I< must've gained some extra brain cells it seems.
Cesar is my new monkey name

I have my own problem with this. AD was obvtown for sure, but NDMath, not so much. So really it's just an expansion/specification of what you said but it should still be brought up. Perhaps NDMath was the kill of Dunn's team?

Why this weird appearance: it's much easier that to delete and retype after I realized I typed it in the middle of the quote. Like be grateful I can do quotes on mobile now.

okay but what does your comment have to do with my post?

[Gamma Emerald]

oh now I get what A50 is saying
he's addending his post to HEM

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd argue nero has a chance to be a partner

b/c I didn't vote Elsa yet? b/c im pushing cyrus?

I'm going with Nero as scum last person action Dan spoke of before they died I'm also thinking gamma since they were flaged as well and that towny is also dead.

See where did I say Dan flaged you here

going back to work on my general reads I noticed this
in that post you said "I'm also thinking gamma because they were flagged as well and that towny is also dead"
outside of a vague indication that you're talking about a different townie, it reads like you're saying AD flagged (which seems to mean suspected in your lexicon) me
this could be remedied with some punctuation, Mr. Croshaw.

[Gamma Emerald]

some people say that he was defending Elsa

who did?
I did try to start a CW but I don't believe I ever DEFENDED Elsa.

[Gamma Emerald]

no you misunderstand I said Nero becuse of Dan and I was sue of gamma to becuse the towny who flagged her was also dead I didn't say Dan flagged you I pointed ndmath who did flag you.

yeah no
in your starting post there was 0 mention of NDMath, stop fucking gaslighting me

[Gamma Emerald]

some people say that he was defending Elsa

who did?
I did try to start a CW but I don't believe I ever DEFENDED Elsa.

Why shouldn't we consider starting a counterwagon as a defense?

I like wagons. I wanted to see what would happen if a new one was started. And while I was doing that I had given my blessing to the Elsa wagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Dunn: if it's 2 scums per then it makes sense both sides would be hunting down town early game. Like, why would mafia even want the remaining wolf out so early when they can make use of the extra kill to clip down the town?

This feels like a reasonable thought and one that I can probably infer something from. Wolves may have gone after NDMath, since AD was the clearly obvtown kill and mafia would have more reason to hunt the obvtown after voting out on of the other scum
I'll have to check this against my previous comments for internal consistency but I might actually be managing to workshop a functional NKA

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought I saw someone that claimed that you were defending him but this isn't an important disscussion.

yeah I don't hold the mistake against you so the idea was to figure who did say that so I could point my fury that way
maybe something regarding iec got read as about me?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: cyrus62

Join me Gamma?

Why? I myself am more inclined to vote Dunn atm, around the end of D1 he was already feeling scummy and then he has been playing like textbook multiball scum this day phase imo
let's note that he honed in on me very fast, something I believe you yourself caught onto.

[Gamma Emerald]

So since you were allegedly roleblocked, shouldn't you be going after almost50?

Not exactly the question I had in mind, but it'll do. Mine would have been: why didn't Gamma target me rather than Kitty?

I wanted to target someone who seemed likely to be run up the next day to function as a fact-check to their claim. While I had bad vibes from you, you weren't a suspect for reasons that didn't feel like petty beef on some level. Kitty meanwhile actually seemed like someone who might get voted a fair amount.

okay I forgot about part of why A50 crossed my mind as a target: I thought he softed vig/SK and thought that might be useful to verify. However, during N1 I thought about what probably came next and decided my best use was probably to confirm/bust a claim from someone.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we stop referencing ongoing games

I feel like if House were here he'd call this out as proper play scolding
which idk the value of that scumtell in itself but the fact dunnstral popped in just to say this feels scummy

fyi I'm trying to re-litigate a bit of my prior posts and see which prior reads I still agree with

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma, why did you feel like you should have claimed?

because I was blocked and felt like the knowledge of the blocking role would be good to have
that's why I asked if kittytacky had anything to claim, I had the thought he might be ascetic so I wanted to give him a chance to claim that, since that would provide an alternative explanation to why my action failed

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: cyrus62

Join me Gamma?

Why? I myself am more inclined to vote Dunn atm, around the end of D1 he was already feeling scummy and then he has been playing like textbook multiball scum this day phase imo
let's note that he honed in on me very fast, something I believe you yourself caught onto.

Because it's pretty transparent that cyrus62 is faking his reasons to go after people. First Nero, then OMGUS and now you.

His reasons are kinda weak but idk about faked?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey.
Hey FUCKER.
You know this game?
This game where you abandoned me after I bent over backwards to hydra with you?
I MADE IT TO END GAME IN THIS GAME, AND I WON!!!
DESPITE HAVING TO SUFFER THROUGH A TAINTED SLOT BECAUSE YOU DECIDED TO ELLITELL TO AN EXTREME DEGREE!!!

Sassy angry Gamma is best Gamma.

I think this is a sign A50 is definitively not Elsa's partner

[Gamma Emerald]

who did say that so I could point my fury that way

I said it what are you gonna do about it

but you literally didn't say it, Nero corrected himself on that

[Gamma Emerald]

T3

Almost50

cyrus62
Titus
Arcangel9

Dunnstral
KittyTacky

Nero Cain

Testarossa
Andresvmb
Iecerint

humaneatingmonkey

nomnomnom

I should look closer at the bottom four uncrossed names on this list (except andres I guess because he hasn't done anything)

[Gamma Emerald]

So since you were allegedly roleblocked, shouldn't you be going after almost50?

Not exactly the question I had in mind, but it'll do. Mine would have been: why didn't Gamma target me rather than Kitty?

I wanted to target someone who seemed likely to be run up the next day to function as a fact-check to their claim. While I had bad vibes from you, you weren't a suspect for reasons that didn't feel like petty beef on some level. Kitty meanwhile actually seemed like someone who might get voted a fair amount.

But that means you will be paranoid of me for as long as we're both alive. I thought you implied the reason you crumbed the way you did was to get me to work with you, so what better way to convince me to work with you than announcing a clear on me?

Your reasoning would/could have looked more reasonable if you hadn't already claimed ONE shot.

I am also getting deja vu of previous games where I fence sat with my read on you, refused to vote you, and you flipped scum.

And it doesn't help that Elsa also flipped scum, so it looks like history keeps repeating itself with you two.

I tried to target for utility for the town
not what I thought would help me.

You are right about the implication though, however atp it probably didn't matter what I did because the result was effectively the same.

wdym that me and elsa's history is repeating though?

[Gamma Emerald]

who did say that so I could point my fury that way

I said it what are you gonna do about it

but you literally didn't say it, Nero corrected himself on that

I meant that you were trying to counterwagon against Elsa and that's a defense on my books. You disagree?

when I explicitly said I thought Elsa was scummy, YES, I do disagree!

[Gamma Emerald]

I am just not sure yet which team is easier to hunt.

I doubt Elsa was bussed hard

For me pretty much anyone who spoke out against the weak claim or the neighborizor claim is unlikely to be elsa's partner

you know this really doesn't track given I was among the voices against Elsa

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Dunnstral
I've hit the tipping point.

[Gamma Emerald]

how do people feel about nomnomnom?
While I don't feel like he's a werewolf he could absolutely be mafia imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I think there is a dynamic where scum want to neighborize the other scumteam.

given I rolled scum neighborizer in a multiball game myself before this makes sense
as such it also makes elsa's claim the less trustworthy one as scum just need to make the one connection

Honestly I don’t see how a weak role fits into a setup where we already might have 3 dead players at night

[Gamma Emerald]

No my actions are clearly town motivated especially following my claim
It seems you're satisfied to run me up without thinking for a second on that though.

[Gamma Emerald]

already done so, read the thread

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I'm laughing that you're saying I'm feeling narrowed down by a PoE that only accounts for one scum faction

[Gamma Emerald]

I have played very far above the radar, currently being number 3 in posts
compare to townstumps where I was willing to kinda play more subtly at points, and then factor in multiball and the fact that as scum I would want to avoid attention even more than regular
I understand you don't "get" multiball but imo playing as I have in multiball as scum is absolutely fucking stupid play.
Also, if I was Elsa's partner I would have to be the shittiest scum partner to have ever existed, because my god I did nothing to stop people from walking all over him.

[Gamma Emerald]

I am just not sure yet which team is easier to hunt.

I doubt Elsa was bussed hard

For me pretty much anyone who spoke out against the weak claim or the neighborizor claim is unlikely to be elsa's partner

you know this really doesn't track given I was among the voices against Elsa

VOTE: Dunnstral
I've hit the tipping point.

try reading past the current page huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I've personally never mentioned you being scum with Elsa. I just think you're scummy in a vacuum!

Really?

Despite my little comment about the half-baked PoE earlier? Seems you do have some reason to think me scum with Elsa. So go on, show just how despicable of a scum partner you believe me to be!

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma: can you promise me you're not flipping anti-town this time around? Cuz I really don't want to look like a jerk for the 3rd time running, but I'd also feel bad if I had let you go twice as scum and only voted you as town, so I'm too confused as to what I should do right now.

FTR, I am not voting Dunn if that's the alternative you're providing me. You can either find us another target to work on together, or you can let me make my own deductions and plays with a promise that I won't feel like switching my Avi back to that monkey arse upon your glip

very uncharacteristic post coming from you A50 :/
but I understand how you feel and there can be a lot of ego on the line when you get things wrong
still, I think gamma is scum here and we both know the vote on Dunn is extremely bad

care to tell how that's uncharacteristic of him?

[Gamma Emerald]

also what about my play reads as "scripted" like omfg that's the most ridiculous thing I've seen yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I've personally never mentioned you being scum with Elsa. I just think you're scummy in a vacuum!

Really?

Despite my little comment about the half-baked PoE earlier? Seems you do have some reason to think me scum with Elsa. So go on, show just how despicable of a scum partner you believe me to be!

That's dunn's point, not mine. And your reaction to this entire point is a big reason why I scumread you.
And it's not necessarily because you're Elsa's partner. I think the source of your frustration is that you're scum that isn't actually partnered with elsa and frustrated they're getting limmed because people read you as scum with Elsa because that wouldn't be the case. In short, scum caught for the wrong reason!
There are still other things pointing to you as scum, but I hope that answers your question
pedit: I know A50 to be a bit more confident than to basically be scared to vote people in case he gets it wrong, I know we just played Screaming together and that demoralized him quite a bit but it's still uncharacteristic

A50 and I are rather close so I think I'm more qualified to speak for whether something is characteristic of him, and I would say that post is.
as for being "caught for the wrong reason", you never established any pretense of that before

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I've read it, and I see your actions as scum motivated but you seem to disagree, so I'm giving you a chance to show me I'm wrong

pedit: well if you're from that scum faction that would be pretty bad wouldn't it?

Also I've personally never mentioned you being scum with Elsa. I just think you're scummy in a vacuum!

Really?

Despite my little comment about the half-baked PoE earlier? Seems you do have some reason to think me scum with Elsa. So go on, show just how despicable of a scum partner you believe me to be!

That's dunn's point, not mine. And your reaction to this entire point is a big reason why I scumread you.

And it's not necessarily because you're Elsa's partner. I think the source of your frustration is that you're scum that isn't actually partnered with elsa and frustrated they're getting limmed because people read you as scum with Elsa because that wouldn't be the case.

In short, scum caught for the wrong reason!
There are still other things pointing to you as scum, but I hope that answers your question
pedit: I know A50 to be a bit more confident than to basically be scared to vote people in case he gets it wrong, I know we just played Screaming together and that demoralized him quite a bit but it's still uncharacteristic

these do not track at all

[Gamma Emerald]

But you know I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here:
What's making you vote Dunn over, say, Kitty?
I mean you checked Kitty for a reason right? So what's going on with that read?

I'm voting Dunn because he's more actively scum than Kitty at this moment
plus, yaknow, would rather not be having a vanity vote rn

[Gamma Emerald]

you know what, I have a question for YOU. You've pretty steadily said I'm scummy past a certain point, but never given solid reasons as to why. I'm calling your bluff. What exactly do you think I've been doing that's scummy, and what's the underlying scum motivation behind it?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think kitty is scummy
and I will admit my stances during D1 weren't many but I wouldn't call them shifty. I think my kitty stance has steadily been finding them suspicious, especially past the three post I called out. Besides that, your entire scumread seems based on my D2 play which doesn't mesh with what you've previously said about me.

[Gamma Emerald]

when it happened you say?

[Gamma Emerald]

scumpings from gamma

your only mention of finding anything from me scummy D1
wanna run that by me again?

[Gamma Emerald]

I read the thread.
Votes on Dunn and Cyrus are atrocious, both are obviously town here, come on.
Monkey my dood my bro I love your style but your slip on Dunn is bad, Dunn is trying to solve here and it's pretty obvious from my POV. Probably town
Gamma's pretty scummy all around from all his actions this game and only started scumreading Dunn when he realized the PoE was tightening around him.
VOTE: Gamma

While we're here, who was neighborized by T3? Maybe we should confirm that claim.

I got neighborized by T3.

and don't try to walk this back now either

[Gamma Emerald]

Regardless of any of this, your vote on Dunn is bad. All the votes on Dunn are pretty bad. I can somewhat understand HEM thinking he's a god that found a slip, but your vote and Nero's vote are just pretty bad. Dunn is obviously town to me here and has been actively sorting for a while, both yesterday and today. There's nothing that point to scum!dunn here. But you're free to make your case.
pedit: sure!
I said that because you came off as frustrated over jokes being posted and tonally speaking it feels scummy especially coming from a player like you.
That's mainly what pinged me.

nah that wasn't the vibe I was aiming for

this was the vibe I had in mind

[Gamma Emerald]

Regardless of any of this, your vote on Dunn is bad. All the votes on Dunn are pretty bad. I can somewhat understand HEM thinking he's a god that found a slip, but your vote and Nero's vote are just pretty bad. Dunn is obviously town to me here and has been actively sorting for a while, both yesterday and today. There's nothing that point to scum!dunn here. But you're free to make your case.
pedit: sure!
I said that because you came off as frustrated over jokes being posted and tonally speaking it feels scummy especially coming from a player like you.
That's mainly what pinged me.

I haven't really felt dunn's presence until late D1, which initially made me suspect he was lurky scum, which is something I tend to see from him
after he started being active however he's shown a horribly unbalanced drive to sort the game that clearly focuses on the werewolf team over the mafia team, and I think HEM does have a point about the slip that Dunnstral was way too confident in what the mafia should have done. I also have picked up a few individual posts I don't like that I think come from scum

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma: the very fact that Dunn is semi-active in this game should be an indicator he's not scum

he didn't really feel active until later into D1 though, and I think his ISO when you look at ISO number vs. post number should corroborate this

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I'm willing to explore new grounds, like..

What the freak is this?

Spoiler:

For a 17 person game I expected more people to show up in the first hour. I wanted three pages already.

It is 10:42 in the bEST time zone.

Yes it is, right now, but not when you posted

Hi Titus

I think he's just an awkward but nice guy who sheep's people while trying to give town ideas.

My scum detector is fully erect from this and it won't calm down. Intuition says TMI, but I don't know how TMI you could really be as scum in a 2-team game.

nom what's your take?

You actually used the word erect and weren't referring to a penis wow, who does that?

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

Wow 42 pages. Its a lot!!

hello angel

This is shit. Big big shit.

VOTE: Elsa

For future reference HEM: even if I'm scum this time, I literally only defended Kitty because I felt bad because I'm an emotional player like that. The Mafia scumteam rode that to my death hard since literally everyone shut down anything elsa going after that.

I make plans pre-game of my very first action BEFORE I know what role I'm even getting so that's what town!me planned from the beginning to do with defending Kitty. PR town me will lie to your face as well as VT me. I hate giving readlist day 1 too because it's WAY easier to get strong reads on 3-4 players instead of forcing myself to read everyone right day 1. I hope I can actually talk to people next time for non-alignment reasons for idle chit chat. That's my favorite part of mafia.

I hope to God I get town next game tho. I know I like playing scum but when I get it FOUR TIMES in a row ... It gets a little grating. I signed up for multiball even JUST to still scumhunt as well on the off chance I rolled scum again. So my readlist is legit if you wanna find Mafia.

I'm outting this all so I won't have minor hope at work or die before I say my peace. See some of you next time.

Unfortunately, ArcAngel 9 slot and Andresvmb are totally unreadable going into day 2 off of a scum elimination

I wouldn't elim Testarossa tomorrow. Town lean, I also doubt they are paired with Elsa because they spoke out against them even if they didn't vote.

Iecrent made one effort post and then hasn't done much else. Their stances are weird. I'm unsure of why people have been calling this town, is this meta?

So Lucifer has transformed back into an angel and Elsa literally scumclaimed. Ok, I take that. lol

I guess that should clear the early Elsa wagon from being Elsa's teammate(s) considering it's permanence. That's finally something to work with.

Well sure but the other team is sitting on him so eh

Icerint or Gamma are my favorite picks for Elsa's scum partners

me "active lurking" be like

why the quotation marks? you HAVE actively lurked all day

T3

Almost50

Gamma Emerald

cyrus62

Titus

Arcangel9 (replaces LuciferMorningStar)

ActionDan

KittyTacky

Nero Cain

Testarossa

Andresvmb

NDMath

Iecerint

humaneatingmonkey

nomnomnom

Blue names are people who I have given me at least some reason to believe that they're not aligned with Elsa.

I am assuming 2 scum on each team, right now, but this doesn't get shaked up too hard even if there are 3.

That means that if I didn't false-clear anybody, Elsa's partner should be within this pool of 4:
[Gamma Emerald, Arcangel9, Andresvmp, iecerint]

Additionally, there's nothing preventing names on this list from being mafia of the opposite alignment. Meaning, mechanically, I think it makes the most sense to look here first.

Also, I'm interested in hearing if anybody disagrees with any of this

Why did you mech-cleared cyrus? He was a late addition to the wagon, and has taken a hesitantly defensive stance on Elsa

fwiw Andres joined this game because I asked him too, and I know he was stretched thin already.

Skimmed and saw the scum claim. I can hammer whenever if elsa is E-1.

I think town's in a good spot. In case I'm dead tomorrow I would like people to stop wasting their time with gamma/cyrus, both are town, continue on that path and I'll be their weapon. @Dunn re:Iec meta read mostly, his takes aren't that bad in that they are all plausible.

other people: NOOO YOU CAN'T WATCH THE GAME UNFOLD YOU MUST GIVE YOUR EVERY PASSING THOUGHT AND ANALYSIS TO THE THREAD NOOO SCUMMM
me: haha elsa wagon go brrrr

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Before I go. Like justice kavanaugh, I like beer.

But I also like guns.

As for this day? Borat would say, Great Success!

A bit of both nero

hello angel

Hello love

This is shit. Big big shit.

VOTE: Elsa

For future reference HEM: even if I'm scum this time, I literally only defended Kitty because I felt bad because I'm an emotional player like that. The Mafia scumteam rode that to my death hard since literally everyone shut down anything elsa going after that.

I make plans pre-game of my very first action BEFORE I know what role I'm even getting so that's what town!me planned from the beginning to do with defending Kitty. PR town me will lie to your face as well as VT me. I hate giving readlist day 1 too because it's WAY easier to get strong reads on 3-4 players instead of forcing myself to read everyone right day 1. I hope I can actually talk to people next time for non-alignment reasons for idle chit chat. That's my favorite part of mafia.

I hope to God I get town next game tho. I know I like playing scum but when I get it FOUR TIMES in a row ... It gets a little grating. I signed up for multiball even JUST to still scumhunt as well on the off chance I rolled scum again. So my readlist is legit if you wanna find Mafia.

I'm outting this all so I won't have minor hope at work or die before I say my peace. See some of you next time.

Guess you're giving up?

Unfortunately, ArcAngel 9 slot and Andresvmb are totally unreadable going into day 2 off of a scum elimination

Hey Dun, You can read me easily. Are you scum?

I wouldn't elim Testarossa tomorrow. Town lean, I also doubt they are paired with Elsa because they spoke out against them even if they didn't vote.

Iecrent made one effort post and then hasn't done much else. Their stances are weird. I'm unsure of why people have been calling this town, is this meta?

I like this post. Sounds town.

So Lucifer has transformed back into an angel and Elsa literally scumclaimed. Ok, I take that. lol

I guess that should clear the early Elsa wagon from being Elsa's teammate(s) considering it's permanence. That's finally something to work with.

Ironic isn't it?

Well sure but the other team is sitting on him so eh

Hey nero, what is your faction?

Icerint or Gamma are my favorite picks for Elsa's scum partners

and how are you presuming that?

me "active lurking" be like

Lazy or scum. One of it.

why the quotation marks? you HAVE actively lurked all day

then let's demand more.

T3

Almost50

Gamma Emerald

cyrus62

Titus

Arcangel9 (replaces LuciferMorningStar)

ActionDan

KittyTacky

Nero Cain

Testarossa

Andresvmb

NDMath

Iecerint

humaneatingmonkey

nomnomnom

Blue names are people who I have given me at least some reason to believe that they're not aligned with Elsa.

I am assuming 2 scum on each team, right now, but this doesn't get shaked up too hard even if there are 3.

That means that if I didn't false-clear anybody, Elsa's partner should be within this pool of 4:
[Gamma Emerald, Arcangel9, Andresvmp, iecerint]

Additionally, there's nothing preventing names on this list from being mafia of the opposite alignment. Meaning, mechanically, I think it makes the most sense to look here first.

who are your suspects for other scum team?

Also, I'm interested in hearing if anybody disagrees with any of this

Why did you mech-cleared cyrus? He was a late addition to the wagon, and has taken a hesitantly defensive stance on Elsa

I read Humaneatingmonkey town already.

fwiw Andres joined this game because I asked him too, and I know he was stretched thin already.

Skimmed and saw the scum claim. I can hammer whenever if elsa is E-1.

I think town's in a good spot. In case I'm dead tomorrow I would like people to stop wasting their time with gamma/cyrus, both are town, continue on that path and I'll be their weapon. @Dunn re:Iec meta read mostly, his takes aren't that bad in that they are all plausible.

Hey AD, Why do you think you will be dead?

other people: NOOO YOU CAN'T WATCH THE GAME UNFOLD YOU MUST GIVE YOUR EVERY PASSING THOUGHT AND ANALYSIS TO THE THREAD NOOO SCUMMM
me: haha elsa wagon go brrrr

It will be very hard to read people like this.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Before I go. Like justice kavanaugh, I like beer.

But I also like guns.

As for this day? Borat would say, Great Success!

A bit of both nero

Cool. i would have done this too.

Or this for that matter

Hey everyone.

Let’s slay whatever factions there are against Town here.

Also, I do have a pressing matter I need to take care of, so I’ll be paying some attention to that. I do promise to actually read and provide some useful content probably tomorrow.

Also, if Dan reads me wrong he’s Scum.

VOTE: Gamma

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I liked Arc’s entrance, Andres idk

[Gamma Emerald]

This whole conversation is starting to feel like a circlejerk with 0 actual progress

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, nomnomnom has put forth such a compelling argument for you being scum — and I don't think I've heard a response from you yet or trying to see if nom is scum himself. Maybe that's just been my perspective because I've been only reading the last posts that I open without scrolling up and only lightly skimming.

I get that feeling, though. I can sympathize. I have Iecerint camping on my tail and I've been ignoring him because I'm focused on sorting you vs Dunn first. But the difference between the two of us is an E number that is less than 3.

How the fuck can you say I haven’t been arguing back
That is legitimately a bullshit take

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
My defense is that I hate all of you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t know if this is justified but I get the feeling A50 did me dirty this game

[Gamma Emerald]

Especially A50, I think besides Gamma there wasn't really anyone from town seriously scumreading him.

Oh yeah this happened I guess

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t know if this is justified but I get the feeling A50 did me dirty this game

He clearly caught your crumb, broadcasted it, and trolled you.

say what

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma: can you promise me you're not flipping anti-town this time around? Cuz I really don't want to look like a jerk for the 3rd time running, but I'd also feel bad if I had let you go twice as scum and only voted you as town, so I'm too confused as to what I should do right now.

if this had been a singleball game I would be all over this