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You say that like it's easyIn post 65, Wisdom wrote:By the way another important note in this setup: Once we identify a town/town pair, we win. Scum need to eliminate both. So make use of your pts and townhunt*Old account here-
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Hockey #140
My view of hockey is not improving
I know you said you're not confident about town!Ari but is there more you could provide there?
bnnuy #99
I couldn't find the words yesterday, here they are.
This is exactly how I'm feeling about Wisdom right now and I don't like that this stance is being antagonized.In post 130, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:
wisdom has been very proactive but i'm not comfortable placing a read on them, despite a lot of my reads being impulsiveIn post 129, bnuuy wrote:how is wisdom at null for you rn, hes been rather active so you should be able to place a read on him i think?
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but really it's because their content hasn't really taken me anywhere. their cards are close to their chest and i'd have to look deeper in their posts than i already have to figure out what exactly they're trying to do*Old account here-
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Who??? Are you???????In post 90, Aristeia wrote:redtea rolled scum yet again I see
read my recent games *hairflip*In post 92, Aristeia wrote:vibey triple post with no commitment
I was at work and wanted to establish my presence.*Old account here-
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can you believe thisIn post 106, Aristeia wrote:I have only played one game with them
THIS IS THE VIBEY-EST POST IN THIS THREADIn post 108, Aristeia wrote:I like cows because he feels colorful
it might just be his avatar though...
I don't have enough posting to get a decent feeling on other people.
You feel very aggressive but I'm not sure if there's a purpose to your questioning.*Old account here-
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Apparently I have stockholm syndromeIn post 118, Wisdom wrote:Hard to get a solid T/T pair from those. I don't recall Dunn or N_M ever townbleeding in a game. Really hoping redtea will become better because their presence in the pt is as bad it is in the thread*Old account here-
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You know it's funny I was just going to sayIn post 157, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:stahp goodposting
UNVOTE: redtea
will elaborate after i'm homeThis here makes no sense.
And I don't like this response to my posts. Maybe it's because I'm in the middle of ACTUALLY reading the game so I just don't feel like those show all that much, but.
Yeah I don't like this.*Old account here-
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Describing what made it so weirdIn post 83, redtea wrote:idk does hockeyfan typically make weird gut reads like that*Old account here-
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I really should take stock of how often scum vs town say this to meIn post 163, Aristeia wrote:redtea's read on me is quite awful but its also the towniest thing he's done so far this game
#irony*Old account here-
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cowslove #35
Why exactly do those posts indicate for you that they aren't scum-paired exactly anyway? I don't think you really talked about the details.
cowslove #44
This is only really a strat for as long as lover pairs aren't claimed, and your partner atp already suggested everyone claim.
(Of course now we have all the pairs).
And since all the pairs getting claimed was only a matter of time, why would you out this potential strat, ensuring scum wouldn't fall into it?
I guess I don't want to be too harsh here because I hit close to pushing "send" on posts like these myself, but usually I stop to think "wait maybe saying that isn't a good idea," you know?
Weirdly, Hockey says the same thing here. There may or may not be an implication it's too late to do so as that cat's already out of the bag, I can't tell.
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I don't think anti-associatives and lack of associatives should be considered interchangeable here. The former means a lot more than the latter.*Old account here-
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I don't know if I'd tl him for that, because while it's maybe in mafia's best interest to keep lover pairings a secret, if claims tend to happen early anyway, and he's played this setup a couple times, then scum might as well try for town cred. So that in itself isn't AI to me.
BUT his follow-ups with people, especially Ari, about the topic, have me tl'ing him, now that I'm properly reading all this.
Seeing that as "defending" cows is weird to me but w/e.
Also think Cow is sus as hell, not sure exactly what he's playing at irt Dunn.
And this post and the follow-ups is the weird gut read on bunny I was talking about like what
Hockey #42
Tell me why it seems odd? Because your post doesn't look like it actually means anything.*Old account here-
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On Ari
Aristea #43
Defending her possibly-informed-trust of dunn again.
Wisdom #65
Ari says something similar to the last sentence later here, but the difference is Wisdom is showing why exactly one ought to prioritize hunting in PTs, and why to specifically townhunt. I'm guessing NM's #66 reaction to Wisdom's post is like mine to that one of Ari's, but I don't think it's warranted in Wisdom's case.
Hockey #45
Good question. And I don't like the answers cow had given.
Dunnstal was mentioned a lot, sure, butin the context of Ari defending her words. Except for the posts made by cow, which kind of took Ari's interactions with Wisdom and ran a marathon with it for some reason.
Like it just. None of it makes hardly any sense.*Old account here-
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Coming back to this if hockey answers my questionIn post 50, Wisdom wrote:Yes he's prolly town
I liked that he found my posting odd, most people do in their first contact with me but scum are less willing to push it*Old account here-
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o mbIn post 186, Aristeia wrote:In post 174, Aristeia wrote:I am fine being first pair out but I'd like to have a chance to have firm reads on every slot b4 I leave*Old account here-
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all he's done in our pt is insult me, trust me when i say i ain't masterminding anythingIn post 189, bnuuy wrote:i feel like redtea is scum because im getting a vibe that scum is in the wisdom-redtea pair and while wisdom is a townread his push against our pair feels suspect but in a way that it may be getting puppet mastered by redtea*Old account here-
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you know maybe ari's right maybe you are scumIn post 194, bnuuy wrote:and if im right about this then ari is basically confirmed town for how redtea likely tried to spur wisdom against us*Old account here-
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actually wisdom did ask me a question
Ari being overly trusting of Dunn in the beginning, not showing one single ounce of suspicion, and defending that stance even when others say she ought to.
In mafia? That just doesn't track. That's what I mean by her being informed of Dunn's alignment.*Old account here-
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that makes. No sense. At all. "Optimal mech play" is usually entirely different depending on your alignment. Literally what are you talking about.In post 199, Aristeia wrote:
I just want to say that I don't trust Dunnstral as a "town player" I do not have a townread on Dunnstral.In post 193, redtea wrote:Defending her possibly-informed-trust of dunn again.
I trust Dunnstral's mech skill/knowledge - which is completely NAI, I think he would give us the optimal mech play regardless of his alignment.*Old account here-
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I think you're missing my point. Your post was nothing better than padding to begin with.In post 201, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:
it did happen, though. check out hockey's ISO and we can talk about it a little bitIn post 191, redtea wrote:And since all the pairs getting claimed was only a matter of time, why would you out this potential strat, ensuring scum wouldn't fall into it?
Also where did that happen? Can't find it.*Old account here-
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people were sr'ing you for being low impact don't do thatIn post 207, bnuuy wrote:i feel like im being punished for actively trying to have a hand in the outcome of this game and its making me want to sink back into being low impact
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Depends on how mech-savvy scum thinks town is doesn't it?In post 221, Aristeia wrote:
in an open setup, optimal mech play is usually common knowledge so there is no incentive for scum players to lie about what the optimal mech play is.In post 210, redtea wrote:that makes. No sense. At all. "Optimal mech play" is usually entirely different depending on your alignment. Literally what are you talking about.
Optimal mech play is not dependent upon alignment because it would be stupid for scum to present a suboptimal mech play in hopes of fooling the town.
I know I've seen "I think this person is correct regardless of alignment" but not "I trust this person regardless of alignment."
Not to mention what ACTUALLY ended up happening was deciding to put off claiming for a while, but still doing so day 1. Which I agree was the better way to go.
In fact, if there are only two claiming strategies (because it'll happen pretty much no matter what), 1) claiming right away and 2) not claiming right away, in my opinion Dunn proposed the one less helpful to town.*Old account here-
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personally I still just don't think she's serious about limming you. Not that it's particularly AI but she did give herself room to change her mind.In post 249, bnuuy wrote: youre missing the trajectory of my thought process. ari didnt attempt to buddy me, nor did she continue pushing me and redtea, instead she chose to reverse course on redtea. the only way that play makes sense as scum is if shes partners with someone in that pair, but you dont seem to believe that so why is ari scum when her logical partners arent your primary suspects?
I don't think it's fair to make that assessment when it was the first turn of the curve you've had, you know? Give it time.In post 251, bnuuy wrote:like, i actually try to do the thing he criticized me for not doing and now he wants me dead
waste of my time is what it is*Old account here-
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>:( okay well howIn post 238, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:
i'll have to see if i can fit that into my scheduleIn post 237, bnuuy wrote:id like something more than platitudes
readslist time?
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ari(and for different reasons than redtea oh god i am g aming)didAri get down there*Old account here-
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dunnstral isn't even here yetIn post 352, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:dunn hasnt done anything bad in PT or in thread
i explicitly want redtea's input on the wagon
i cant believe i have to say this but dont lolhammer dunn*Old account here-
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okay decided ill just post a summary of instead of a bunch of posts
we're not locktowning nm/hockey @bunny, not atp, ESPECIALLY when the suggestion is coming from you.
cows made a suggestion that maybe Ari could be better sorted by doing some meta. It's a good point. I'll try to get on it.
wisdom is obviously in poking and prodding mode and I'm only gonna care if he's still holding his cards close to his chest later in D1/early D2.
@Hockey, since Dunnstral has been not very contributive, the gang is participating in the not-so-fine art of ~pressure~ in the form of voting.
maybe there was more but i've closed the tabs and no longer remember whoops*Old account here-
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this thoIn post 366, Aristeia wrote:dunn has literally done almost nothing this entire game i dont know how any1 has a read on him much less decided to put him at NM e-1*Old account here-
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ugh okay. Ari does not have enough meta to determine. One *could* make the case that she's more forward as scum as shown by her recent/only scum game, but 1) she replaced in and 2) it's her most recent game, period. If someone was better at/had the focus to dig deeper maybe they could find something.
Not gonna alt hunt because not about that
And now I'm at a crossroads of what to do hm*Old account here-
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thats pretty out thereIn post 375, HockeyFan wrote:Honestly its more of a meta/gut read. The meta being that I think N_M tried harder as scum.
Admittely, his iso is a bit devoid of content but I think there are some points in his ISO which are townyish
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336- idt N_M comes back to thread with a read that hant been discussed in thread yet. Like the read was pretty far out there, and idt scum!N_M does that
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@hockey if i dont trust there is a playstyle alignement indicator here myself and it's a weak one even for you, why would I be talking about that. I'm talking about content. Apparently, according to cows, that takes some time, but I'll wait.
And I am not content to sit and let me or Wisdom be limmed today or tomorrow, not with what info and reads I have.*Old account here-
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.... i dont know why my brain thought 14 posts in a day and the other example wasnt a lot im a dumbass
i have mixed feelings about your game pool sample cows but wtv. I might look into nm's games myself.
so if hes somewhat underposting(i think?) is that not all the reason more to either wait or pressure more content*Old account here-
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already addressed the top part but i disagree with the bottom part. i find ari/bunny suspicious, i found cows suspicious (going on tone alone he's sounding more towny in these last few pages but i need to reread him carefully before I change my stance there), I find hockey to be weird af.In post 392, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:In post 391, redtea wrote:Apparently, according to cows, that takes some time, but I'll wait.
And I am not content to sit and let me or Wisdom be limmed today or tomorrow, not with what info and reads I have.?
below bolded is also a really out of place stance with what reads you've shown in thread right now
It's like, at least half of you are raising flags for me. That honestly puts the lurkers (dunn and nm) higher than you all. Then slightly above that is Wisdom.
idk man I thought the status of my reads were more obivous
myb i put too much into tone and not words but idwanna check right this moment*Old account here-
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its a hockey towntell?In post 397, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:
im gonna name it a towntell and call it a dayIn post 395, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:i feel this sense of stubbornness from it, like hockey was asked a question that he didn't exactly know how to answer with what he's ACTUALLY thinking so he takes it at face value so that he could give off the impression that his stances are perfectly sound without wasting too much time
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I think what I was getting at earlier is bunn's #384 sounds towny in tune and way too opportunistic, which makes it a big red flag for me.
Though if bunn is scum, whether one of nm/hockey would be its partner or it's scum!bunn trying to pocket I don't know*Old account here-
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okay but the thing is is that town has more incentive for self-preservation than normal. Town lives cost more. Display of self-preservation isn't quite the indicator it usually is.
And if I know I'm town, and think my partner is town? Yeah, of course I'm gonna defend us.
But you know what benefits scum and no one else? It's a word we all know called "apathy".
So excuse me but this isn't the kind of setup that allows much room for going with the flow, and so I will not be doing nearly so much of that.*Old account here-
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"weird does not equal scummy" okay. What am I saying then. What am I saying, when I say hockey is being weird. In the middle of a paragraph about people Im scum-reading/leaning/dont trust more than an inch. And follow up with a paragraph implying everyone previously mentioned is raising red flags for me.
No, go on. Tell me. I want to know.*Old account here-
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interesting. Well I think bunny is a good choice right now anyway and it looks like voting for it is under soIn post 408, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:
i think it contradicts how hockey plays scum. i'll do the meta homework on this if you don't actually have a read on themIn post 400, redtea wrote:its a hockey towntell?
this sums it up nicelyIn post 407, Dunnstral wrote:that is my preferred vote as I think their aggressive sorting doesn't really make sense in places and they don't feel like town to me
VOTE: bnuuy*Old account here-
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yeah, pool size. That's what I meant.In post 410, cowsloveSushirolls wrote: i think there's nothing wrong with the games i linked besides the fact that there's not enough of them
he said "lim dunn lol" and then encouraged it and then came back and said "where did the wagon go" i think he was just trying to make things happen.In post 410, cowsloveSushirolls wrote: he already gave content in the form of a scumread and it got pushed to E-2. i asked you for thoughts on it and you said "don't quickhammer dunn lol"
if you have NM's posts in mind and the idea that you need more from them then this event shouldn't be as unimportant to you as you show it is
If you think that's enough to see anything into what do YOU make of it*Old account here-
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