Micro 1032: Baton of Desperation [Game Over]

[DArby]

While we vote I’m going to sit on the stick a little longer. I want to pad out the time a bit to give us proper time to find scum.

[Enchant]

*Intensive scumreading*

[Isis]

ok i think the pseudovoting is cool but please just pass Enchant the button lol

I will read the rest of p18 now

[Isis]

For example consider Isis+Ratman, which I think is the most likely

Most people had negative feelings about ratman at the time of Isis passing, which would maybe make her hesitate to pass to him

how closely are you paying attention to this game

i've been bear or bearish on ratman all game, even if I were scum passing to ratman would be out for the sake of having some semblance of a townie read progression. That eclipses ratman's general approval rating


also are you scum?

[DArby]

ok i think the pseudovoting is cool but please just pass Enchant the button lol

I will read the rest of p18 now

I’m sorry, but I don’t have a stronger reason for Enchant over Wisdom.

[Wisdom]

how closely are you paying attention to this game

i've been bear or bearish on ratman all game, even if I were scum passing to ratman would be out for the sake of having some semblance of a townie read progression. That eclipses ratman's general approval rating

I dont see how that disagrees with my point
Enchant waa saying that scum likely passed to each other and i was saying why you wouldnt pass to rat if you were scum with him

[DArby]

HEAL: Wisdom

Timer will end before my shift will.

[Kerset]

Chain count #2

Chain:

1. DArby

Baton holder:Wisdom

Voteable:

• Clemency
  
• Isis
  
• ratmans
  
• Enchant
  
• PookyTheMagicalBear

Baton holder has (expired on 2021-11-14 05:45:00) to pass the baton or they will become today elimination.

[Isis]

It's not a contradiction it's just a really weird framing to focus on a minor point when a major point exists

[Kerset]

Clemency have been prodded

[Wisdom]

*Intensive scumreading*

Are you okay with rats dying?

[Enchant]

*Intensive scumreading*

Are you okay with rats dying?

As long as all scum keeps in Isis.Clemency/Rats, then we should win.

It would be cool to really consider other options before progressing though.

[ratmans]

Clemency?

[ratmans]

So I think my thought was kind of simple, and was based off of Wisdom's #355.
Your reaction to me pushing you was collaborative (+town), because of the position of my slot in town's reads at the time. It would've been easy to completely blow me off, but you didn't. Not saying town wouldn't do the latter, but I think it'd be the easier route for scum to take.
If vulture flipped anyway and flipped scum, I would've still been sus, but not as much as if you'd handed the baton to vulture. In fact the plan was to push you today if either of those things happened, despite only declaring intention to do that for one of those scenarios.

If vulture flipped town- which they did- you'd be clear in my book.

What MY dumb ass didn't realize at the time is that Pooky being your partner also makes sense with your reaction.
Nevertheless, you've gone from giving me 100 to near 0 paranoia, next to Clemency, but even then, he's a gut read.

If this seems stupid, that's because it is.

[Enchant]

To who you say it

[ratmans]

I feel I'm an odd choice for the baton holder. I had a few days to think about this and I still want to give it to Wisdom. I feel he town slipped by risking dying to wait on passing the baton for Margot to post.

It also makes sense as scum imo. The reads on me were/are split, so if he wanted to hand it off to me (the better to get townier players limmed), he'd first want to gauge whether it would look partner-y so he won't go down with me, if that's how things go later on.

Plus it's not like graciously waiting for a slot to be active is a rare camouflage tactic. Easy townpoints, you literally don't have to do anything.

"Town slip" is very generous; I wouldn't assign alignment to it. If there's something else that frames the action as towny, though, feel free to bring it up.

Could you reword your first paragraph. Using only pronouns, I cannot gauge what you’re talking about specifically.

I disagree with your last two paragraphs. Waiting is one thing, sure, but the timer expired. That was a direct gamble to take. There’s only 2 scum, so to take out half your team on towncred is silly.

Okay, I tried rewording it. I don't know how much it matters considering I forgot that he actually

did

let the baton expire and all that, but here it is:

"Taking the risk also makes sense as scum. Town's reads on me were/are split, so if scum!Wisdom were going to pass the baton to me (both to keep me as a future mislim, and to get townier players limmed), he'd first want to gauge whether it would make he and I look partnered.
Regardless of my alignment, if Wisdom's scum, it would be risky to associate himself with me, as that could negatively his towniness in people's eyes.
Scum!Wisdom holding onto the baton instead of passing it to me immediately creates an appearance of "having to seriously consider", thus creating negative association between us, or at least less positive association than handing it to me immediately would."

....though to be honest I might've just explained why Wisdom is town.
Then again, I'm more likely to be limmed before Wisdom, so I could be his token tr.
But then there's the baton expiring thing so probably he's town.

[ratmans]

To who you say it

My bad
It was at Darby

[ratmans]

Who needs weed when you're naturally high 24/7

[Isis]

*Intensive scumreading*

Are you okay with rats dying?

As long as all scum keeps in Isis.Clemency/Rats, then we should win.

It would be cool to really consider other options before progressing though.

I think wisdom could be a game losing townblock. Can we talk about why you think I'm scummy? Is there anything specific.

If it's sheeping wisdom's sentiments that circles back to my first point

[Wisdom]

why everytime i get the stick i have to wait for someone
Where did clemency go

[Clemency]

ah crap sorry i been sick and distracted
i'll catch up in the morning
im glad you missed me wis

[Clemency]

gimme stick btw its a good idea

[Wisdom]

Vote who you want dead clem.

[Enchant]

*Intensive scumreading*

Are you okay with rats dying?

As long as all scum keeps in Isis.Clemency/Rats, then we should win.

It would be cool to really consider other options before progressing though.

I think wisdom could be a game losing townblock. Can we talk about why you think I'm scummy? Is there anything specific.

If it's sheeping wisdom's sentiments that circles back to my first point

Wisdom i think is enough confideint in self to pass baton to teammate (or receive it) without anyone getting noticed.
Now he pushing both these persons. Of course it could be scumplay to bus partner, but i would't bus my partner here as scum, because it's hard to win otherwise.

Ergo Wisdom most likely town than not. It's more doubts about Pooky (who joined and charmed everyone into "lolgive it Pooky") and DArby. Pooky is impossible for me to get right for exact. DArby i didn't really look carefully before.

[Wisdom]

Pseudovote count

rats (2) - Darby, Wisdom
Isis (1) - rats
Clemency (1) - Isis

Not psuedovoting: Clemency, Enchant, Pooky