Micro 1059: Micro & Normal Stuff | GAME OVER

[Aristeia]

who am i manipulating in this thread?

what r u going to do if you flip me and i flip town?

what is your level of certainty that I flip scum?

are you even bothering to sort other players in the game?

[scamper]

ari uhh maybe take a breather? i completely empathize with where you're coming from but this is way more than is necessary

[Aristeia]

like have you even put any basic strategic thought into why scum!me decides to tunnel town!ausuka right away from page one?

(1) What if there is a rolecop in the game that can clear Ausuka? What if there's literally any role interaction at all? How does scum me know the setup from the get go?

(2) Why target someone on claim alone? It locks the trajectory without any consideration of play - do you think I expend thread control to force the issue? Where is the motive for locking the trajectory into hardpush if Ausuka town hasn't done anything susp? why not just let someone else take the fall?

(3) Why target with an

associative

right away? If Ausuka/Dats are T/T doesn't this lock a influential vote from flipping my way? If any scum flips outside the pair doesn't this shoot my theory in the foot?

(4) Who the fuck am I even trying to persuade to vote Ausuka? Where is the manipulation happening? If it's some weird invisible manipulation to set up for Day 2, why the fuck would I even spend energy on setting it up when I don't even have a Day One Target? Is Scum!Me supposed to be supremely confident I and my scum partner will both not be able to be limmed therefore I'm focussing all my energy on day two?

(5) why do I bop Ausuka and be ok with being elimmed today ? how does that even make sense for scum me to do?

(6) who am I even manipulating to vote for Ausuka? What is the persuasive angle I am pursuing? How does it work?

(7) If everything above is some garbage wifom plot and I'm doing refuge in Audacity, what's the overarching goal? To escape elim today? I can just escape elim by not doing shit, it's not like this town is doing shit anyway.

(8) Why does any of what I'm doing necessarily have to come from Scum!me? Is it not in the interest of Town!Me to push something in a game state that is static?

[Aristeia]

ari uhh maybe take a breather? i completely empathize with where you're coming from but this is way more than is necessary

I've given Meg a break for 6 days to pursue wherever Meg wanted to go with this line of inquiry but I ran out of patience today

[MegAzumarill]

:/

Ok first I dont really understand what you mean with the 6 days thing. The game hasn't even lasted 6 days.

For that matter I don't understand why you seem so caught up in the fact I scumread you. You seem frustrated because you don't think my reasonings are valid but I disagree. Disagreemwnts are common in mafia. You should know this. It feels like a weird thing to blow up over.

Like we are playing a game. You are going to be scumread sometimes. Why are you upset? I don't make heads or tails why you seem upset.

[MegAzumarill]

It's baffling.

I'll try to pursue other alleys for the time being and let you cool down but my read on your slot hasn't changed signifigantly.

[Aristeia]

you can try answering any of my questions instead of pretending you dont know how to read

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: scamper

I think this slot deserves a wagon. They've been knowingly withdrawn from sharing even when asked and overall their progression has felt really awkward for lack of a better term. I get the impression of possibly scum staying under the radar. Either way we need some more information coming from this slot.

[Aristeia]

i dont actually give a shit if you yeet me or if you scumread me

its your absolute lack of effort that annoys me

[Aristeia]

It's being presented in an incredibly contrived manner.
The approach is terrible logically and is transparantly bad.
Ausuka responded with the type of frustration I'd expect from a townie in this situation.

lets go through this point

you think my approach is transparently bad and has terrible logic

why the fuck would my approach succeed if your analysis is correct?

[Aristeia]

To set up a miselim on Ausuka. (Probably not today but in the future)
To try and gain a strong scum prescence in the thread to direct conversations into this issue
To shade in a way that obfuscates your involvement

this is your second post of analysis on me.

so you think my approach is

"transparently bad"

"logically shit"

but you also believe it sets up a "strong scum presence" and "sets up a mislim on Ausuka in the future" in a way that "obfuscates my involvement"





so your genius idea

is that scum!me

has decided to set up a future mislim

in a way that makes it look like I didn't do it

and also is ineffective and horribly illogical and unlikely to be convincing.

[MegAzumarill]

you can try answering any of my questions instead of pretending you dont know how to read

It turns out its not my job to answer every possible motivation you could have as to doing everything you have done as scum.

Honestly you seeming to think your actions should clear you makes it feel more like a deliberate choice.

But as I've said, I feel like this isn't being productive and it feels like there's miscommunication of some part here so I'm going to drop it for now.

[Aristeia]

so please explain how I'm both a moron and also a criminal mastermind at the same time

go

[scamper]

VOTE: scamper

I think this slot deserves a wagon. They've been knowingly withdrawn from sharing even when asked and overall their progression has felt really awkward for lack of a better term. I get the impression of possibly scum staying under the radar. Either way we need some more information coming from this slot.

i'm going to be honest i ignored you because there were something 100 new posts that came up and responding to other things grabbed my attention

i have laid out who i am townreading and why, if you are having trouble following that idk what to tell you

[Aristeia]

It turns out its not my job to answer every possible motivation you could have as to doing everything you have done as scum.

i'm not asking you for every motivation i'm asking you to present any evidence you've done thinking at all

[scamper]

meg who are your top townreads right now?

[Aristeia]

But as I've said, I feel like this isn't being productive and it feels like there's miscommunication of some part here so I'm going to drop it for now.

there's absolutely no miscommunication

this game was stalling

I tried to do something about it

you think this exclusively comes from scum!me

explain your fucking read

[Aristeia]

like you think me pushing on Ausuka for her miller claim is not good

ok sure

who the fuck should i have instead pushed on and for what instead to do something?

go

tell me

[MegAzumarill]

To set up a miselim on Ausuka. (Probably not today but in the future)
To try and gain a strong scum prescence in the thread to direct conversations into this issue
To shade in a way that obfuscates your involvement

this is your second post of analysis on me.

so you think my approach is

"transparently bad"

"logically shit"

but you also believe it sets up a "strong scum presence" and "sets up a mislim on Ausuka in the future" in a way that "obfuscates my involvement"





so your genius idea

is that scum!me

has decided to set up a future mislim

in a way that makes it look like I didn't do it

and also is ineffective and horribly illogical and unlikely to be convincing.

i feel like you're still not understanding what i'm saying in that post or the posts leading up to it, but i am about to pass out so. tomorrow i will rephrase if needed ig

no i'm pretty sure i understand, it's just that i don't agree with your thinking, i don't see coral/xayah as "easy" misyeets, you seem to think they are clearly town and me not seeing this reflects poorly on my alignment, i don't agree with your reasons for townreading them and the logic for doing so seems kind of reach-y

and all that being said i don't really know what it means for your alignment this game

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Straw_Man

[Aristeia]

I will pretend you have a better grasp on mech, Ausuka's meta, Datisi's meta, and how the game state is

I will pretend you know that Ausuka claiming Mason is utterly NAI or even town indicative.

I will pretend there are BETTER THINGS FOR TOWN ME TO PUSH ON IF I WERE TOWN IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS GAME

TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE.

[Aristeia]

Meg tell me what Town!Me should have done instead today in order to try to get something to happen in the game

[Aristeia]

you say this approach exlusively comes from Scum!Me, tell me what Town!Me does instead go

[scamper]

also: i have the 4th most posts in the game, i have been explicit about what my reads are, i have presented reasons for what i find suspect

i have no idea what "information" you are expecting from me here

[Aristeia]

I think meg isn't even reading the game

meg is just logging in to shitpost because meg doesnt give 2 fucks about winning because thats how meg plays literally every game meg has ever played

[Aristeia]

but please meg tell me what exactly Town!Me does in a situation like this cmon