hi, i'm large normal 242. and i'm over with.

[Cape90]

I'm stopped for gas.

Math needs to be shut up about his nonsense of me being scum because I disagree. If you're certain it will go ahead.

Well okay no duh you disagree there.

Y'all started talking a lot

Cool I Will catch everyone soon

[Cape90]

I followed Titus last night and she performed an investigative action

I'm assuming she got some kind of inno on Frogster cuz she said this:

Why are you so against me trying to lead coordination?

If you're you have no idea what you're doing right now

+1 I have like 95% certainty on Frogsterking town.

Which really makes sense only if you're TPR and you're crumbing your night 1 inno - therefore she should be town.

Cool. I am a voyeur.

I find 3 ITPRs very rare.

No one visited Cape90. I doubt three ITPRs exist so to me one of you or Titus are scum.

Oh, I see. That's a lot of town investigatives and I don't like that too much. I will read up to see what develops from there

[Cape90]

I'm pretty sure we're all town and I didn't need to claim anything to figure this out

I think we did because 5 town confirmed in 16P is not normal.

It’s a golden rule of normals that you don’t have that many confirms.

How do we have 5 town confirmed?

We don't even have 5 confirmed role claims let alone alignments.

Pedit:

That crumb doesn't float with me. I think pooky is trying to phish Titus.

It works for me.

It’s between Pooky and Titus anyway.

Pooky says Titus visited Frog.

Titus said she didn’t.

Bus drivers and redirects aren’t normal.

So 1v1 time

OH
Then why did you even make the comment in the first place about there being 3 ITPRs?

[Cape90]

what I didnt say Titus visited Frog

I said I followed Titus

Followers are not trackers

Rip I got them backwards

I was so excited I thought I caught a scum

nvm

[Cape90]

I don't buy all these claims, because I also am an investigative.

plot twist: I am the only non-investigative

[Cape90]

Titus is sure using a lot of mech arguments

[Cape90]

wtf r u even talking about I literally didnt want to claim my investigation result on titus mathblade is the one who made me actually out what the result was because he thought it would help break the game open

I was just claiming that I thought Titus was inno with no details attached because I thought there was a good chance this game is lots of town investigative roles and no protective PRs

this whole I'm fishing Titus thing is literally random horseshit you decided to pull out of your ass

this theory is pretty interesting

[Cape90]

I was talking to frogsterking my bad

What do you want me to change my mind on?

i want you to reevaluate my slot and come out with the correct answer but you're obviously so confirmed bias that literally everything i do is perceived through a wolfy lens that you'll find some way to make this basic plea for rational-ness a scum tell.

What about the rest of my scum reads, furtive and MariaR? FMPOV you are just trying to survive and wagon Town. I'm open to being wrong about your slot but it would help if we agreed on somebody.

i'm not sure how i feel about 1626 by Pooky i dunno why you're spending so much time convincing us of a safe read of mathblade being town rather than trying harder to push your controversial scum read. it just seems weird.

but then again i hate everyone on the pookywagon and would rather vote anyone on it than pooky

I do read posts like this as hedgy FYI. I'm aware it could just be how you play.

Something about this feels hedgy and a bit unspecific

[Cape90]

you're loud as fuck

and nobody is really contesting you

this implies if you're town, then scum is fine with your poe

therefore your POE is garbage and we should just start limming your townreads

Pooky honestly to me really looks like this post comes from a town mindset

[Cape90]

sighs im also an invest.

tracker specifically.

but gated so i didnt get the chance to act yet, and theres more to my role.

imagine a world where all mafia decided to troll us and every single one of them is gonna claim some sort of Investigative role. I swear

[Cape90]

this is why rolecop is a useless role because everyone will claim anyway.

Also don’t know why you guys are doing setup spec with no wolf flips and people can easily be lying

so rolecop is a useless role.

But people could be lying?

Which makes rolecop not useless

Logic

[Cape90]

one day my jokes will hit.

I am guessing what i just said was the joke

[Cape90]

i like how everyone has been saying from like page 76-78 that they should vote BCG and yet they just kind of sit there like loafs of bread.

(I know BCG later claims a Bodygaurd role)

[Cape90]

I kinda want to vote Maria for absolutely adding nothing to this whole situation

[Cape90]

I kinda want to vote Maria for absolutely adding nothing to this whole situation

Why not StD?

I suppose it is true what you are pointing out that StD kinda didn't really do anything today.

I think StD is marginally townier then MariaR

i don't think i'm hiding at all in fact i feel like voting you out of the blue is the opposite of hiding

i've expressed suspicion of you and you've left me unimpressed. I don't actually know that anyone else is going to follow me so i don't really see this as opportunistic at all.

i don't really think that "coordinating" a wagon on pooky is particularly protown anyway.

lastly i don't really see what this has to do with you vs. math

Like, I just mindmeld with StD's postings. Like this one.

But, I do feel like 1633 is a less then impressive StD post regarding Pooky, also Pooky keeps being town today by the way, I am telling you that much.

Maria Felt awkward with them popping in with a joke then leaving.

I mindmeld with the thoughts StD had in 1487 too. About half of that shitty MalcolmTucker push felt scum motivated.

Could be scum otherwise, but Maria kinda just throws out these sorta vanilla reads to me and they aren't very impressive. Feels like they are forming a world then just throwing that at the wall seeing what will stick or whatever. What I am getting at is I see a lack of elaboration there on things.

I was thinking that voting in the circle of PR's was maybe just a better mechanical play though technically speaking since all wolves could just be popping out of their holes just to claim a pr or whatever

[Cape90]

Maria on page 87 is town, so I rescind my suspicion there

[Cape90]

VCA with no wolf flips- I do not remember you being this impossible to work with but it has been years so that must be it. Your world you're trying to build is based off falsehoods and I'll let everyone else see it for themselves.
pedit: Congrats you figured it out we've won the game woooo

i am correct (this is validation)

[Cape90]

marcistar/MathBlade/Titus/Not_Mafia
Cape90/Big Chungus Gaming/furtiveglance
Enchant/Save The Dragons/MalcolmTucker
Toogeloo/PookyTheMagicalBear/Frogsterking
pedit: Mafia is that black and white you're totally right. Anything else?

what makes NM at the top here?

[Cape90]

Not_Mafia - Vigilante
Enchant - Vigilante
Frogsterking - Didn't Claim
MalcolmTucker - Didn't Claim
Big Chungus Gaming - Loyal Bodyguard (Didn't claim actions)

Spoiler: Acts

N1: ???

Save The Dragons - Didn't Claim
furtiveglance - Didn't Claim
PookyTheMagicalBear - Follower

Spoiler: Acts

N1: Titus. Result: Investigative Action

Cape90 - Claims "Not Investigative"
Titus - Didn't Claim
Toogeloo - Claims "Investigative"
MathBlade - Vouyer

Spoiler: Acts

N1: Cape90. Result: No one.

marcistar - Modified Tracker

Spoiler: Acts:

N1: No Action

MariaR - Vanilla Townie

Alisae - Vanilla Townie
kittytacky - Fruit Vendor

Spoiler: Acts

N1: Not_Mafia

Did i miss anything?

thank you for keeping track of this!

[Cape90]

furtiveglance - gated, loyal, voyeuristic, investigative Vanilla Townie

VOTE: furtive

I'm

rolecop

and I have a report on furtive which indicates they're some kind of weird roleblocker. I'll dig up the actual report in a second.

I FoS Pooky and BcG. Maybe MathBlade for pushing this dumb plan --which fails to see a single roleblock-- so hard. I wouldn't be sad to see MathBlade killed by a vig. Pooky's claim doesn't fit with my role and Pooky is sus anyway. I also think BcG is sus.

ooh, nice and spicy'

VOTE: furtiveglance

I am ready to participate in the thunderdome between Frog/furtive

[Cape90]

Plot hole, I'm a limited shot rolecop and I investigated MalcolmTucker. Hence why I repeated over and over MalcolmTucker is boring.

2 rolecops huh

right

[Cape90]

I can't trust Frogsterking as much as I used to. Regardless, I can't see scum!Frogster faking a guilty on town!furtiveglance so furtiveglance is still the play.

I don't know how to interpret this game if there are 2 rolecops

[Cape90]

VOTE: Titus

This is so ?????????
I don't know what to make of it, like furtive claimed VT, but then just added a bunch of weird modifiers to it.
It would be one thing to just claim regular VT, it baits the night kills to not come after you

[Cape90]

This is also clearly a joke. I take no responsibility for being voted out if that happens. I never agreed to mass claim, or trueclaim. I never supported the idea. I made one jokey remark and now Frog wants to pull my pants down to cash in on a free miscondemn

ok i could see it as a joke thing since i didnt even know that VT could have all those LOL

[Cape90]

VOTE: Titus

This is so ?????????
I don't know what to make of it, like furtive claimed VT, but then just added a bunch of weird modifiers to it.
It would be one thing to just claim regular VT, it baits the night kills to not come after you

I agree it is ????

But we have to establish furtive scum so invests work tonight as furtive is

Titus is an enigma

I don’t want to throw away an almost sure scum for a maybe.

okay are we still at furtive is just mafia for lying?

[Cape90]

furtiveglance - gated, loyal, voyeuristic, investigative Vanilla Townie

VOTE: furtive

I'm

rolecop

and I have a report on furtive which indicates they're some kind of weird roleblocker. I'll dig up the actual report in a second.

I FoS Pooky and BcG. Maybe MathBlade for pushing this dumb plan --which fails to see a single roleblock-- so hard. I wouldn't be sad to see MathBlade killed by a vig. Pooky's claim doesn't fit with my role and Pooky is sus anyway. I also think BcG is sus.

ooh, nice and spicy'

VOTE: furtiveglance

I am ready to participate in the thunderdome between Frog/furtive

Hey, I'm not counterclaiming, ok? Frog COULD be town. All that happened is I said I was VT AS A JOKE and I'm not.

(This was the part where I wasn't up to speed)

[Cape90]

I can't trust Frogsterking as much as I used to. Regardless, I can't see scum!Frogster faking a guilty on town!furtiveglance so furtiveglance is still the play.

I don't know how to interpret this game if there are 2 rolecops

It's not a guilty, and I'm not claiming to be VT anymore. I am really a Town Novice JOAT (1-shot roleblock, 1-shot alien (which is basically roleblock + roleblocks abilities which target my target), 1-shot track)

yeah yeah i got your claim. I think this whole situation is reminding me of mafia.gg where I guess mass claiming is the only way these people gonna solve XD

[Cape90]

This is the Pest R that I have ever got in a game, I didn't want to die

Pest R?

Best Response?

[Cape90]

I can't trust Frogsterking as much as I used to. Regardless, I can't see scum!Frogster faking a guilty on town!furtiveglance so furtiveglance is still the play.

I don't know how to interpret this game if there are 2 rolecops

It's not a guilty, and I'm not claiming to be VT anymore. I am really a Town Novice JOAT (1-shot roleblock, 1-shot alien (which is basically roleblock + roleblocks abilities which target my target), 1-shot track)

yeah yeah i got your claim. I think this whole situation is reminding me of mafia.gg where I guess mass claiming is the only way these people gonna solve XD

Talk to MB for me. Get him off!

you sure your town?

[Cape90]

VOTE: furtiveglance

Might end up needing to do this anyways, maybe for a valuable lesson to either myself or the rest of the thread. Hopefully myself

[Cape90]

VOTE: Pooky

I'm not going in circles with Mathblade. In 1690, he essentially repeats the lurker claim which is false by just looking at the activity overview. He's going to dismiss anything we say as "not a reason". If Math hadn't hyped this up as OMG vote my scum read or die, I might have voted for reactions. For now, I'll trust Frog. Also, Math should know how good I am at reading Frog, so if I flip first force him to eat his words on listening to flipped town. I do not have the will, desire or energy to fight this arrogant version of Math. I should have kept refusing to share reads so he'd have to spam less but I felt it worthwhile to at least try.

My preference is Malcolm. If Malcom scum, hard clear Toog. However, I don't mind a Pooky flip.

UNVOTE: Pooky

You do what you think is best Pooky. I don't really care. If you think it would help Math have a realization moment, please do.

You uh
Unvoted Pooky immediately Titus over in these 2 posts. Now I am not done reading through some stuff, I just wanted to check in on you since I know you pushed on Pooky and I wanted to check that

[Cape90]

but that part is a part that stuck out to me while reading

also whoever did that

you are doing better then me this game, plz keep it up!

also Frogster kill is certainly a choice?

[Cape90]

VOTE: pooky

Oh hell no

I don’t want Pooky anymore

Case in point.

Your Pooky read is dependent on your Frogsterking read. Data isn't changing and you aren't investigating.

You're fitting actions to your theory, which makes everyone eyeroll.

This was definitely correct

[Cape90]

I think Titus does look better actually
Also yes I do acknowledge Titus went back on the Pooky wagon after a while after that, and I do Indeed sign the paper of acknowledgement there

[Cape90]

i said "visited" because it failed bc i obviously visited an illegal target

what does this mean? are you like, only able to visit town?

[Cape90]

VOTE: enchant whatever

thought process here?

[Cape90]

Hi I've been dealing with a mental health thing for the past week or so - ill get to this later. I still think marci has been obvtown since d1 and pooky pushing on her this way is prob outting

VOTE: pooky wynaut

Hm. Alright, now lemme look at pooky's end of the bargain

[Cape90]

I'm going to sleep on this.

I'd love your thoughts on where we should go Pooky.

I'm happy to kill anyone on this list:

marci
Enchant
MT
BCG

Pooky makes a list of people they are fine killing. Puts BCG at bottom

VOTE: BCG lets just ignore frog for the rest of the game

Votes BCG right here

BCG should protect NM cuz NM is the stronger TPR

NM can conftown me by himself

Keep in mind, Pooky at the time of this post still has vote on BCG, says that BCG should protect NM in the night

[Cape90]

pooky why did you find crescent suspicious? Can you explain your read there?

cuz from my experience playing with her in viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89682

and modding a game with her in viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89657

she is very talkative and never stops posting and here she didn't do anything and just ghosted

or maybe she is actually going thru something and that easily explains it and its massively rude for you to assume she's randing out because of being mafia.

then all of these don't really tell me too much of anything
you asked me why I voted for her

I explained why

also how the fuck am i being rude to Crescent she's literally not even here rofl

No marci, do not sheep pooky, I'm town

these 2 need prods @mod

MariaR Sep 27, 11:20pm Oct 13, 03:47pm 2 days 16 hours 59
Big Chungus Gaming Sep 30, 03:26pm Oct 13, 03:19pm 2 days 17 hours 151

[Cape90]

pooky why did you find crescent suspicious? Can you explain your read there?

cuz from my experience playing with her in viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89682

and modding a game with her in viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89657

she is very talkative and never stops posting and here she didn't do anything and just ghosted

or maybe she is actually going thru something and that easily explains it and its massively rude for you to assume she's randing out because of being mafia.

you asked me why I voted for her

I explained why

also how the fuck am i being rude to Crescent she's literally not even here rofl

No marci, do not sheep pooky, I'm town

these 2 need prods @mod

MariaR Sep 27, 11:20pm Oct 13, 03:47pm 2 days 16 hours 59
Big Chungus Gaming Sep 30, 03:26pm Oct 13, 03:19pm 2 days 17 hours 151

then all of these don't really tell me too much of anything.
EBWOP
you all didn't see anything

[Cape90]

I think BCG/Pooky might be w/w out from the interactions

You have BCG's side which looks already like a lazy call out on a mafia partner, but BCG did hold vote there

Then you have Pooky who's interactions look slightly better with BCG as I can see 2108 as maybe TMI that BCG is town

[Cape90]

You realize that would make me a triple voter right? You sure you wanna do that?

As long as you don't go mad with power, sure.

I think the following players are for sure town...
NM
MT
Cape

Mostly ok with the following players...
Math (with some reservation)*
Marci

I think anyone not listed is just fine for today. My personal opinion is that we pursue within MariaR, STD, and Enchant. I'm not too concerned about Titus or BCG at the moment. Slightly low hanging fruit, perhaps, but this is the best opportunity to take a look at these players more in depth.

*Obviously you have to admit, you made some "mistakes" yesterday in face of obvious scum Pooky. But you are forgiven if you make your triple vote work.

i don't think you have talked about me all that much

[Cape90]

i am guessing mass claim is just something we are doing

I am vanilla town

[Cape90]

Mostly ok with the following players...
Math (with some reservation)*

The reservation have to do with

Math's plan is scummy.

?

[Cape90]

i like enchant's claim for toog LMFAO

[Cape90]

Not_Mafia - Town
Enchant - Probably town, decent rolecop check no lim today
MalcolmTucker - Would elim (second choice)
Big Chungus Gaming - bad based on vca
Save The Dragons - Priority elimination
Cape90 - Would elim
Titus - Conftown
Toogeloo - gun to my head town, reveal if elo
MathBlade - Policy, would elim
marcistar - Feel the frustration, only look at if malcolm town
MariaR - Town

For now, a lim pool of StD, Malcolm, Math and Cape is decently small.

@MariaR, Toog, NM, thoughts?

You having this lim pool is like pretty funny

there is like 1 mafia at maximum

[Cape90]

Enchant, is there any chance Math is scum?

He 1) saved pooky from elim denying us a clear, 2) picked a fight with Frogster, 3) forced through furtiveglance elim, and 4) is trying to give outs to those who haven't claimed.

Is he just bad or scum?

i think just about everyone at this point claimed

[Cape90]

you didn't express a distaste in this mass claiming we were doing

that was the whole point of enchant's whole thing

[Cape90]

Save The Dragons (2):

MathBlade, MalcolmTucker

Rude

Not exactly, your slot has been scrutinized

[Cape90]

I have arrived

Hey Marci, want to break down the game for me?

People think the game is solved wooo (B

yes

solved in a closed game

very solved

[Cape90]

Sorry, my roommate was in a car accident this morning. Might be a bit before I actually get caught up.

I'm a VT

so like

Luke is outed for this right?

[Cape90]

afteer my.last game.i guess i don't have that same drive after falling flat for getting pushed.
kinda out of this game so imma claim im.loyal bg, if theres a vig this can combo nicely.
I can create a clear potentially and yeah.

I'd like to get STD and i can BG pooky tonight

VOTE: Lukewarm

[Cape90]

Sorry, my roommate was in a car accident this morning. Might be a bit before I actually get caught up.

I'm a VT

UNVOTE: Lukewarm

no wait never mind

[Cape90]

So we have two claimed protectives in a game with a vig, so you (math) think one of them is scum?

I would think so tbh

2 protectives in a game seems a bit unbalanced to me

[Cape90]

Sorry, my roommate was in a car accident this morning. Might be a bit before I actually get caught up.

I'm a VT

so like

Luke is outed for this right?

?? Why do you say this??

I hope his roommate gets better and Luke being scum is a possibility but I don’t see the dots here

I thought they were Big Chungus Gaming

[Cape90]

Wait, if he is loyal does he visit and his action fail? Or does he never visit?

action fails i beleive

[Cape90]

if he loyal visits mafia

[Cape90]

I am a VT, so I don't have e shots.

I replaced std not chungus

Math.exe has borked

Math.exe restarted

My bad. Got the claim though. Since you read first could be forced.

Meh. I am okay with a BGC elim I think. Shines a lot into things I think.

did you seriously make the same mistake

[Cape90]

Lukewarm seems towny to me, at least lightly so.

Wow it's like I was correct on Save The Dragons

[Cape90]

Vanilla goons omg I can’t type

I am thinking probably only 1 vanilla goon, but I am assuming that just given all the PR claims

[Cape90]

Ah okay derp.

Yeah NM is lock town. Forgot about that thanks.

Mainly I want to find the scum that kills Frogger over me.

Because while I am alive scum are pretty much stuck doing what town decides.

I have to go now but yeah. That’s kinda where I am at.

That and I can’t figure out Titus.

Why is this true? You're active, sure, but it's not guaranteed town will follow your reads and it's not even guaranteed all town will trust you, as we're seeing with Titus. Scum could also be perfectly content leaving you alive if you're on the right track as well, or may simply have killed Frogster because they believed he had an important role and one of them had managed to identify it.

Okay Malcolm could be scum off this post . It just is really awkward

[Cape90]

Just the speculation makes my skin crawl

[Cape90]

would u want to vote malcolm pooky

im asking

would there be any world where u would vote malcolm

you still think pookys scum froggy..? why?

does pooky usually fake claim a pr as scum thats so easy to disprove?

i think i believe pookys, maybe mathblades idk

the rest idk

There's very little interaction between Marci/Pooky early on and these exchanges look like players who could potentially be partnered. Marci felt very hedgy on Pooky - not completely unwilling to vote there but never particularly pushing Pooky all that strongly either. Their read on the slot feels a little bit inconsistent, like they wanted to create some distance but didn't want to push there in case it picked up momentum.

This is a decent case with marci/pooky

[Cape90]

I would probably say marci over Malcolm, though I still don't know if they are

today's

pushes necessarily

[Cape90]

I think there was certainly a towny self-confidence that comes from Malcolm posts like

I don't think it's passive at all. I'm known for a player who frustratingly and regularly pauses when it comes to reading others at times. I'm still running through the thread since I'd been gone but I'm genuinely intrigued to know what you think - Kitty outlines a pretty blatant, good case on BCG here, so I'm unsure if the kill is a bit obvious coming from scum, because eliminating someone who suspects you/has caught you is something scum are known for sometimes wanting to avoid.

That I just thought looked towny when they were catching up. Frankly, I was being a bit lazy and starting to get dissociative with this game since the slower pace was kind of just making me less invested when things slowed way down

I do express concern for what this post

this is obnoxious frogster but not with the passion that you feel from town obnoxious frogster

this is someone trying to desperately push someone off fosing their slot and not wanting to use a nightkill on them because crescent was probably an assigned mislim bc of her lowposting and flaking


frog if you are town and playing like this, im disappointed and I cannot say I did not try to extend several olive branches to understand you. i read your posts, I calculated scenarios, and the scenarios where you are mafia are the most likely. if you are town you can reduce that by actaully coming clean about why your thought process is the way it is. otherwise I am sticking to my guts and sticking here.

I'm not really sure why Frogster accuses BCG of being a troll to try and deflect attention away from themselves by BCG instead of just...normally scumreading BCG. The logic here feels like a bit of a reach. BCG has attracted plenty of suspicion so far and isn't exactly an outsider choice scumread, Frogster making up a convoluted reason to suspect and vote for them as scum themselves seems pretty unlikely to me. Approaching it from this POV I think Frogster is probably just town who suspects BCG and genuinely dislikes their play.

Means for BCG, also the read on Frogster is something that looks a lot more scummy with the knowledge of Frogsterking being town.

@Mod :

I unvoted std, and didn't vote for malcolm

I only have 2 townreads right now and that's Frog and cape. Had a townread on fennec/furtive but it's been kinda fading over time. Not a fan of furtive so far.

My only scum read is Malcolm, and std by extension to him. Malcolm is on V/LA so no point in pushing him.

Maria, Pooky and Gamma/NM i will let be for today.

I'm up for a policy execution on BCG and toog. Toog turned his brain off and is just parroting. Hate BCG whole "Higher than thou" and "can't touch me" attitude following Gamma ban. His exe would bring the game some peace.

Titus, Greeting, Enchant, Kitty and Marci are null. I admit i haven't been paying much attention to Kitty and Greeting.
The priority right now should be me getting a read on Greeting, but the chance of me getting a townread strong enough that i refuse to vote is slim at best.
If i noticed anything scummy at a glance they wouldn't be null right now.

This feels really weak and scummy, almost blatantly so to a degree that's comical. One scumread on someone who was inactive, up for policy eliminations for pretty flimsy reasons in Toog's case especially and not much content in general despite being a lengthy post.

This response to a slot I think is town at this point seems really shady, I mean MathBlade probably became really obvious town when they got here.

There was also the fuel of me scumreading furtiveglance

Sidenote: One of the reasons why I don't play on here is this shit that happens in MS games, the fucking like 9 substitutions this game? Are we serious? Like even Toog with their day 1 gameplay could avoid this. It's just bad for the gamestate, hate to say it, and I never wanted to bring this up, but it sure is annoying. It makes me not even wanna try

[Cape90]

Agreed on Fennec, also feel Cape/Frog look town. Much of the posting feels TvT so far.

Don't particularly understand all the early attention or the scumreads on Cape.

Nero has looked a bit more defensive but too early for anything on the level of a proper scumread on the slot so far.

I like Fennec's approach so far, they seem open and townie.

Whether for the reasons presented or not so far I think Maria looks quite scummy here. There's a cagey defensiveness to some of their posts after being accused which vibes with me as scum trying to clear their name but not wanting to look overly desperate but panicky while doing so.

I think Fennec vs Frog is TvT. Fennec very much feels like they're thinking out loud in the thread in a townie way, while I find Frog's play can be quite erratic but engaged when they are town. I'm not particularly seeing strong scum motivation from either of them at the moment.

I've been trying to think of if there's a worldview where Frog is just a villa who is wrong but I can't get over the fact they just made up a worldview that never existed to begin with, and acted like they had this grand bait scheme. (didn't happen)

MT needs to have more votes on them, just look at that iso and tell me that's a villager mindset and not someone just watching from the sides taking shots posting busywork. It's such an obvious wolf iso

This is a lazy post and feels like an attempt to shift attention away from their Frogster read which clearly wasn't happening onto me. I've been relatively low activity so far but "watching from the sides taking shots" doesn't make sense, either I am watching from the sides and doing nothing or I am taking shots and committing to reads. Can't be both.

I'm more confident on MT being wolf than Frog so I'd go MT>Frog after my flip. Glad to see I still got it on the "no one can read my slot" after a year away heh.

Again really not seeing why Maria is "confident" in me being scum and probably teammates with Frogster at a point when I'd made a handful of posts, a light scumread is fine if you so wish, anyone saying they are confident of scum who's made a dozen or so posts feels like they're making it up aside from the odd genial read.

I'm getting really bad vibes from Big Chungus Gaming, like the slot they replaced is a scum slot under pressure and they're flailing, I'll finish my catchup to vote atl.

I agree with Kitty's read here, BCG's posts have felt pretty trolly so far but not in a particularly natural or relaxed way, like they want to avoid posting content of note while using a more comedic tone to hide behind that.

Also mariar is one of the best players of this game so the fact we have scumreads that align is a sign i think she is town between frog/maria

One of Maria/BCG seems likely, probably not paired. A world where BCG relies on town Maria being killed to them attempt to gain town-cred here seems possible.

MT I'd like to hear your thoughts on Dragons now that you're almost caught up.

Not sure I'm seeing STD scum to be honest. They'd not contributed a lot but it can happen as town, especially in large games if things get busy. Their early posts were sparse but I'd argue there's genuine reads/content there. Their response to you felt a bit over the top but quite genuine as well - do you not think inactive scum would at least want to make an attempt to get you onside?

I found it slightly surprising you went for that vote actually when catching up (albeit I skimmed some pages) because it felt a bit out of nowhere as a confident read given STD's relative inactivity. I don't think it's coming from you as scum though, just an area of disagreement.

On STD, the big rant against Frogster does deflect a bit...but I feel like STD has typically been much calmer/less confrontational when I've correctly accused them of being scum previously? Or more hedgy at least. It's making me lean more to frustrated town here. Scum want to win sceptic townies over and I don't feel like their responses to Frogster come with that intention.

FAO Math - as a sample I'd argue all of this demonstrates a pretty clear pattern of me having views on the gamestate and opinions on who is likely to be town/scum.

Marci accused me of going for an easy read in Maria but I'd argue I put out a reasonable and logical town defence of STD who was accumulating a fair few scumreads at the time.

Posts like some of the ones Malcolm pulled up here also just seemed fine to me

[Cape90]

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

I think Malcolm just has a suspect playstyle in general, but his responses to Lukewarm, who I am thinking is just getting more and more towny is just not it

I don't see what makes Luke so inconsistent to you Malcolm

[Cape90]

I don't think any of the speculation stuff is AI though since I suppose that's the mass-claiming stuff that's been going on

[Cape90]

would u want to vote malcolm pooky

im asking

would there be any world where u would vote malcolm

you still think pookys scum froggy..? why?

does pooky usually fake claim a pr as scum thats so easy to disprove?

i think i believe pookys, maybe mathblades idk

the rest idk

There's very little interaction between Marci/Pooky early on and these exchanges look like players who could potentially be partnered. Marci felt very hedgy on Pooky - not completely unwilling to vote there but never particularly pushing Pooky all that strongly either. Their read on the slot feels a little bit inconsistent, like they wanted to create some distance but didn't want to push there in case it picked up momentum.

In terms of Malcolm, I like posts like this which do provide a fair point in terms of how marci has been treating the pooky slot

VOTE: Titus

If you don’t want to cooperate with the town block you can die. No need for mass claim.

Do you actually properly think Titus is scum here or not? The wording of your post indicates you're largely voting Titus for disagreeing with you and I dislike that, it can be frustration but disagreement isn't always bad for town provided players aren't overly stubborn.

I don't really find this post towny in fact, it just seems odd and also ignores literally everything else that MathBlade has done in suspecting Titus and goes off assumption without reading beyond the base level.

Ah okay derp.

Yeah NM is lock town. Forgot about that thanks.

Mainly I want to find the scum that kills Frogger over me.

Because while I am alive scum are pretty much stuck doing what town decides.

I have to go now but yeah. That’s kinda where I am at.

That and I can’t figure out Titus.

Why is this true? You're active, sure,

but it's not guaranteed town will follow your reads and it's not even guaranteed all town will trust you

, as we're seeing with Titus. Scum could also be perfectly content leaving you alive if you're on the right track as well, or may simply have killed Frogster because they believed he had an important role and one of them had managed to identify it.

I don't like how Malcolm talks like town is some separate entity from himself here.

I'd be perfectly content with a Furtive elimination at this point as well from a brief catch-up. Their jokey/playful tone doesn't feel natural and sounds more like scum to me trying to dodge suspicion by looking like they don't care, without having to particularly commit to reads.

Vote for me then, get your hands dirty.

How many votes are you at? I'm wary because it seems you've accumulated a good few and we have some notorious quickhammer players in the game. If it's settled to eliminate you though I'm more than happy to hammer.

This post directed at furtiveglance feels so slimy almost in like a teabagging way. I do not see Malcolm "wanting" to solve for the furtive slot in this post at all.

Even if Pooky's ISO here isn't particularly identical to early-game Lost, I've definitely seen a few games where Pooky is fairly quiet in terms of fully-formed reads despite having a higher post count. I'm not seeing them as scum and feel like when a read depends too heavily on meta comparisons to work, it's not a great or massively strong scumread.

I mean you could point out marci's treatment of Pooky but man IDK about your own complaining that too many people were relying on meta reading pooky or whatever.

Pooky's responses seem okay, I'm not particularly wanting to go there at the moment. Back to null on the slot, certainly not sold on them as scum.

This too.
I am aware that my slot isn't the greatest when it comes to the Pooky slot, I mean I just defended him because i thought the juxtaposition between his day 1 versus day 2 posts were "a towny shift" when I assumed Pooky would literally do the thing they have been doing day 1 all game if mafia.

but I feel like you actually put more focus into Pooky which makes me a tad concerned

What's the Pooky cased based on? I find Pooky hard to read in general and had them null so far.

They're playing to their scum meta and their D1 votes were poor in hindsight

What specifically is Pooky's scum meta? I find them hard to parse in most games but can't recall having actually played with scum Pooky now I think of it.

Lurk early game, power through late game

Hmmm, maybe notable that Pooky's been quieter this turn than they were D1. Been a few slots that could apply to. My view is you and Math has been TvT and therefore it's likely some scum have been lurking in the background to let that play out since it's useful for them.

In conclusion: Sayanara I have no trouble pocketing who I think town is

[Cape90]

you also said furtives role makes sense for scum to have but look where that wound u up

It absolutely did. It was still the right play to elim furtive because of that and lying. It’s not like I was alone in saying it either. Given the same facts I’d do it again too.

and you dont pause to think

furtives role makes sense as scum yet hes town
so maybe the same thing applies to others?

geez for someone who keeps trying to take mechanical lead you sure are shit at it

I can believe in a town!marci world

I will be honest, I haven't read 1435 but I think it's a decent scumcase on Malcolm and I do like the sort of read on Maria, I felt like Malcolm was suspecting Maria whenever it felt convenient if that makes sense. Like if someone else were scumreading Maria, Malcolm would hop in

[Cape90]

Posts like some of the ones Malcolm pulled up here also just seemed fine to me

when i said this, it was also a lazy read via thinking Malcolm quoted all those things because towny self-confidence and w!Malcolm wouldn't want attention on any of his prior posts if he were wolf.
I know, look at me having ulterior motives behind my posts

[Cape90]

1 vote to hammer Malcolm

Johnny just posted like 2 things and dipped

[Cape90]

Still truthfully Vanilla town

Also I think there is one between MathBlade and Lukewarm

[Cape90]

is ELO announced? (I think that's what it is called here)

[Cape90]

If not, then what Enchant is doing is very very scummy

[Cape90]

Now my turn.

I have 1 Action invest (other than myself) arriving at my spot.
Therefore Marci is probably town barring a NM roleblock.

Enough to where she’s lock atm.

Sus is on Johnny’s slot and makes sense with wanting to backup Pooky.

Now it’s Titus’s turn. What is Enchant?

I suspect Enchant visited Marci (otherwise a scum invest visited Marci which is weird).

you/Titus/Enchant

If you think all 3 of you are real, you are losing the game.

Not saying you are

But you all invests

We killed VT claims and fucking surprise, they flip VT

I am still real VT and am even more in my "scum just claimed power roles" zone

So yeah

[Cape90]

I am tempted to just go with the world of 1 scum in Luke/Titus FMPOV but I am saying that because of

You've been defending obvscum Luke, pushing obvtown marci and been trying to setup spec over scumhunt. Enchant having a similar role to you and claiming a guilty makes a hell of a lot of sense.

and it feels wrong but probably just true anyways

[Cape90]

Assuming Marci town even night doctor to save disloyal vig every other night.

Yes and we have a 1-shot bodygaurd as town too!

Obviously 1 is fake, like come on

[Cape90]

okay i know you distrust that claim math, but i distrust both

[Cape90]

okay i know you distrust that claim math, but i distrust both

I have mechanical evidence Marci is likely town. Barring an explanation of how Marci scum fools two voyeur checks not interested

cool

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

If this flips town, you are dead to me, got it

[Cape90]

Not to mention a rolecop in Frogsterking too. I don't even think there are 3 invests in the game

[Cape90]

Cape might be scum here. In the last 5 posts he has FoSed me, math, johnny, luke and marci just riling people up.

If I had to guess, there are 2 scum that are claiming PRs and 1 scum that is claiming VT. In fact I am certain of that

marcistar (doc mix with tracker but more doc)/Johnny (1-shot Loyal BG)/Titus (X-Shot Rolecop???)/MathBlade (Vouyer)/Possibly Toogeloo idfk/Enchant (voyeur part 2)

I think I will roll with Titus/Johnny +1 world

VT Claims = me/Lukewarm/Maria/Toog?????

Notice how it's like 3/4 VT's versus 5/6 PR's?

I pretty much hard TR everyone else (well almost hard TR Enchant, mild paranoia but I am like 95% sure town there).

Hahahahahahahhaahahha

If people are voting Titus, I'm in.

Acting like there ain't like 3 or so mafia left

Get out of town

[Cape90]

If this flips town, you are dead to me, got it

Man I just got here

You have like 10 days to change my mind. There quite literally is no pressure compared to most other form of mafia

[Cape90]

Nobody is 100% confirmed. The person who was the closest just died so

[Cape90]

Thinking about it, I suppose having 2 weakish town protectives makes a lot more sense then a full on rolecop and a partial rolecop

VOTE: Titus

While I haven't found Johnny to be particularly useful at all, Titus has seemingly an obvious agenda today in my view.

[Cape90]

Titus is trying to kill more VT claims LMFAO. Titus not wanting to kill in the 3 power role counter claims is very telling they want to milk VT deaths as much as possible, which by default probably means Luke is town if Titus is wolf.

About Enchant, they hammered the vote on Malcolm over 2 days in advance. Town love playing anti-town so my money is on Enchant just being town for that reason, but theoretically, sounds like a silly reason to clear someone.

[Cape90]

If toog is mafia, I am just suspecting people that don't try day 1 only to actually become helpful day 2. Happened with Pooky after all. Not interested in exploring that until later

[Cape90]

If toog is mafia, I am just suspecting people that don't try day 1 only to actually become helpful day 2. Happened with Pooky after all. Not interested in exploring that until later

It is bothering me with how little Toog is being discussed

[Cape90]

I was setting up a Supersaint claim on Day 1 and Day 2, mostly to see how scum would react if I were ever to be pushed as a mis-elim, but I am a VT. I feel like I should be pretty town read at this point after Pooky's flip and my insistence on MT town since Day 1 and not faltering on either.

I'dlove to see the angles scum will take to try and mis-elim me at this point.

also Toog apparently claims VT

[Cape90]

If toog is mafia, I am just suspecting people that don't try day 1 only to actually become helpful day 2. Happened with Pooky after all. Not interested in exploring that until later

You mean the 2 people who voted together all the time and didn't try day 1 are prob mafia? Gasp.

I know shocker.

People have been saying that Toog has been towny, but besides the fake claim stuff, not sure I see it, but because there is counterclaim city going on, maybe it's best to get that resolved.

Lukewarm seems to almost be in the position I am in right now with Luke saying

Like regardless of the situation, she is just trying to force out a miselim because we are close to elo at this point

Which does seem worrying since Lukewarm has quite literally suspected me since he came into the game and Titus definitely seems like they have sights set on me and by day 3, I sure wasn't that towny and I was a force behind all 3 misvotes.

Lol Cape's scum.

Moving on.

Titus, are you just calling everyone who suspects you scum?

Like this comment makes me rather paranoid

[Cape90]

Have you ever played with Enchant before? He hammers almost every wagon that hits e-1, I have seen him describe himself as "like not_mafia" lol

So, hammers from him are pretty nai

That being said, I feel like the way he used his PR and took charge at start of day to confirm his, maths, and titus's roles looked pretty town motivated, so :shrug:

Well, I think I like what MathBlade is saying about Enchant as much as I don't like him almost hard clearing people.

But I also just think that mafia would be more likely to keep POE as open as they can instead of restricting themselves unless Math is hard-defending his maf partners, but if there are literally 2 scum claiming voyeur with all of these roles, yeah lol I wouldn't buy that anyways.

[Cape90]

It feel like if we keep this day going, it is just going to turn into Titus and Math wall posting at one another for several irl days, and then we still kill johnny.

I say we just skip past that lol

VOTE: johnny

Like all of this hasn't happened already with the both of them

[Cape90]

I wish I knew if Johnny's claim on one shot loyal BG is verifiable since I was just one-shot loyal BG, but I literally went on town and not mafia

[Cape90]

Lukewarm and Cape are literally trying to shut this conversation down....

I am still voting you, and MathBlade is still right there to talk to with. I wont shut anything down, go ahead and incriminate yourself further or perhaps just become town magically. I ain't seeing it. Not like your trying to solve me or anything. Your just talking with MathBlade who you townread at least recreantly anyways. Also, something tells me you dont care anyways

[Cape90]

You keep saying the whole game but you're claiming your will is the whole game. It's not.

Johnny's flip tells us precisely nothing. It's a mandatory flip.

If you're not willing to substantively engage until that flip, it is what it is.

I checked scum stopping them from changing the claim.

Frog and I were town core.

SirRhett was never towncore. I was towncore with Frogsterking. Ask Greeting, ask furtive

[Cape90]

Math is towning though, seems obvious to me, so in fact, you know what, keep talking, I like MathBlade, he talks good

[Cape90]

You keep saying the whole game but you're claiming your will is the whole game. It's not.

Johnny's flip tells us precisely nothing. It's a mandatory flip.

If you're not willing to substantively engage until that flip, it is what it is.

I checked scum stopping them from changing the claim.

Frog and I were town core.

This is incorrect as BCG was pretty active day 1 while you weren't here

You even brought up some VCs that even tell the story of some of the information gathered from a BCG flip in 3146.

Worth noting that Pooky at one point was on BCG/Johnny and BCG did talk about plenty of people day 1 and had a lot of interaction between myself and

Frogsterking

at the very least.

[Cape90]

Enchant
JohnnyFarrar
Lukewarm
Cape90
Titus
Toogeloo
MathBlade
marcistar
MariaR

With 16 original players that's, what, 5 scum? 4? So we might be in Elo right now?

Ok I'll start with Enchant

Dunno what I was expecting from reading enchants ISO, bunch of fake claims, a hammer on town. Trust levels low. They're also efforting, which I've never seen before? Does scum Enchant effort?

The only thing Johnny sort of did in terms of content was this, then they dipped only to say

Wait

I get Johnny is today's lim

No

Like 30 minutes apart from each other like today then silence. Johnny isn't doing favors if he is town here.

[Cape90]

VOTE: pooky wynaut

VOTE: titus

i "visited"

VOTE: enchant whatever

These were the votes BCG had day 2 with their limited time.

UNVOTE: Titus

I do question if we are going with a w!Johnny world would BCG just swap from mafia to mafia to enchant like this (speaking in a hypothetical Titus wolf world)

[Cape90]

If it means anything Johnny, I am not going to rush today

[Cape90]

I wish I knew if Johnny's claim on one shot loyal BG is verifiable since I was just one-shot loyal BG, but I literally went on town and not mafia

I think the only thing close to it being verifiable would be to force titus to target johnny, but if Titus is scum it does not mean very much, and would require both of them to be allowed to live through the day

Ok, so I'm a 1-shot loyal bodyguard. I was unclear on if I still had my shot because it failed when chungo targeted Pooky.

I thought that meant I'd still have the opportunity to use it properly since I didn't actually guard any bodies, but I was mistaken. I didn't have an action to take last night

I was referring to this claim in particular

[Cape90]

I wish I knew if Johnny's claim on one shot loyal BG is verifiable since I was just one-shot loyal BG, but I literally went on town and not mafia

I think the only thing close to it being verifiable would be to force titus to target johnny, but if Titus is scum it does not mean very much, and would require both of them to be allowed to live through the day

Ok, so I'm a 1-shot loyal bodyguard. I was unclear on if I still had my shot because it failed when chungo targeted Pooky.

I thought that meant I'd still have the opportunity to use it properly since I didn't actually guard any bodies, but I was mistaken. I didn't have an action to take last night

I was referring to this claim in particular

Mainly I think there’s just too much chaos around the slot. I don’t see a way that through mass claim we’d almost auto win if Johnny is town. I think it’s much more valuable to force Titus not to kill. If we elim Johnny then Titus visit someone and I force visit then if Titus is scum, scum PRs won’t be active if I follow the setup.

I don’t trust Titus to tell the truth.

This is not a bad plan

[Cape90]

I'm sad this game turned into mech city over mafia and that's why I'm basically sitting here and waiting.

I mean... Yeah

[Cape90]

I'm sad this game turned into mech city over mafia and that's why I'm basically sitting here and waiting.

That’s very suspicious to me as I remember you being in mech conversations in the past.

Yes this turned mech heavy but the mech is important this game. Mafia is social + mech

Can you just stop saying everyone who objects is automatically scummy? You're just yelling down whomever doesn't cave and it's negative fun.

This post has been bookmarked by the council of Cape and deemed as "possibly important for legacy".
Thanks

[Cape90]

If Titus can do either rolecop or kill tonight. I say if we miss here, Titus just shoots, if we kill mafia, Titus rolecops. I don't necessarily get Titus' role if town and how it fits into the setup, but I will entertain the idea.

[Cape90]

at this point johnny has to be trolling

[Cape90]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.9 !

Greeting (4):

Frogsterking, Cape90, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear

Big Chungus Gaming (3):

KittyTacky, Toogeloo, Greeting

MalcolmTucker (2):

Not_Mafia, furtiveglance

Save The Dragons (1):

MariaR

Frogsterking (1):

Save The Dragons

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

furtiveglance (1):

Enchant

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker, Charloux

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• e

I think some earlier VC's make Toog look better.

Maria has been acting really strange around titus today and I don't like that so much

[Cape90]

Can we not blow our last miselimination on obvious town that wagoned Pooky?

<3

Enchant Titus Math me town all I need to know anyone else can get voted.

Enchant Titus Math me town all I need to know anyone else can get voted.

Then join me on Luke.

VOTE: Luke

say less

all of this just feels extremely pockety

[Cape90]

For now:
Math/Titus most likely different alignments. Very unlikely both scum, likely one-one evil, very unlikely both town (but i don't really see team in VTs)

im getting more that feel between titus/luke

[Cape90]

Do you think Toog and Frog are both bussing Pooky?

Maybe, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be. I find it semi unlikely Too/Pooky are together given how similar their play is but meh.
Pooky is a follower claim, if they went over it wouldn't be the end of the world.
What part of my reads don't match my play?

Assume I am “ego posting” instead of my belief I am trying to stop town mistakes

Then scum have no reason to bus because the wagon won’t get to 8. They could sheep me wherever I am.

Yet scum have inexplicably chosen to bus here in your world.

You are literally arguing Toog claims invest and says he will die over Frog.

So if Frog is scum why would Toog claim to defend them like that as scum?

Your reads and play look like a conglomeration of common scumreads versus thought out ones.

Actions speak a lot louder than words. You can claim you'll do X but a lot of time people don't follow through with it. Why do scum bus? Why not? People bus for no reason this site. You're not giving me a reason on why they wouldn't bus here to get cred. They won't expect it to go over or get cred? Like, do you see the issue here.

There's always a reason to bus and no reason isn't a valid argument.

I will say. Scum usually like "trying to be unpredictable" and spreading their votes out

Spoiler:

vote count 1.2 !

Crescent (3):

Frogsterking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

marcistar (1):

marcistar

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

MariaR (1):

Gamma Emerald

Greeting (1):

Cape90

Nero Cain (1):

MariaR

Toogeloo (1):

Charloux

KittyTacky (1):

Nero Cain

not voting (6):

MalcolmTucker, KittyTacky, Crescent, Save The Dragons, Fennec, Greeting

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-08 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• gamma emerald might end up with limited access during the hurricane

this was awfully early into the game :shrug:

Spoiler:

vote count 1.3 !

Crescent (2):

PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

Cape90 (2):

SirRhett, Save The Dragons

MariaR (2):

Gamma Emerald, Frogsterking

marcistar (1):

marcistar

Greeting (1):

Cape90

Toogeloo (1):

Charloux

KittyTacky (1):

Nero Cain

Fennec (1):

Greeting

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

not voting (4):

MalcolmTucker, KittyTacky, Crescent, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-08 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• replacing crescent.
  
• gamma emerald might end up with limited access during the hurricane

I was a very very minor early counterwagon to a mafia slot, a Titus/Luke containing 1 wolf is supported to me FMPOV from this, makes sense anyways.

worth looking into the swap pooky and Toog did off Maria onto Malcolm day 1 536/600. Minor wagon on me was stagnant as well as minor wagon on BCG which had me + n1 kill . I unfortunately got off this real fast and Pooky and Toog took my place in the vc after this 734.

Spoiler:

vote count 1.10 !

Alisae (5):

Frogsterking, furtiveglance, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

Frogsterking (3):

Save The Dragons, Big Chungus Gaming, MariaR

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

KittyTacky, Alisae

MalcolmTucker (1):

Not_Mafia

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

furtiveglance (1):

Enchant

not voting (3):

MalcolmTucker, Charloux, Cape90

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• e

By this time, you can see the scum spreading their votes out in full effect here supporting my claim.

BCG was on STD/Luke on 1300

Spoiler:

vote count 2.3 !

furtiveglance (3):

Enchant, Cape90, marcistar

Save The Dragons (2):

Big Chungus Gaming, Frogsterking

marcistar (2):

furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

Save The Dragons, MathBlade

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

MathBlade (1):

Titus

not voting (3):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Toogeloo

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• prodding mariar & big chungus gaming

BCG voted by Luke/MathBlade, I would say this is pretty obviously not w/w/w so if you had that theory of the game. Get rekt

Look at the bus on 1678 smh

Spoiler:

vote count 2.6 !

PookyTheMagicalBear (5):

MariaR, Frogsterking, Big Chungus Gaming, Toogeloo, Titus

Titus (2):

Save The Dragons, Cape90

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear

furtiveglance (1):

marcistar

Frogsterking (1):

MathBlade

not voting (3):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Enchant

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• ba ba ba

We were so close to getting somewhere good here, but then 2375 happened with the furtiveglance push starting (technically marci started it, but it took off after a while) then everything just happened at once with that slot and furtive died.

Spoiler:

vote count 3.3 !

Titus (2):

Not_Mafia, Toogeloo

Save The Dragons (2):

MathBlade, MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

Toogeloo (1):

MariaR

not voting (5):

Enchant, Save The Dragons, Cape90, Titus, marcistar

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• still replacing save the dragons as well as big chungus gaming

Interesting VC, it probably points to Enchant not being scum. Think about it. First mafia just died to Not_Mafia and this I would say discourages future bussing at the SOD next day. Meh? Well I would say Enchant is probably my second safest bet for just being town anyways this game besides MathBlade (not including self ofc).

Spoiler:

vote count 3.4 !

Lukewarm (2):

MalcolmTucker, Titus

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

Not_Mafia, MariaR

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

MariaR (1):

Toogeloo

not voting (5):

Enchant, Lukewarm, marcistar, MathBlade, Cape90

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• still replacing big chungus gaming

Has some interesting wagon movement. Makes Maria look decent off this. MT wanted Luke here.

Maria later swapped right onto MT though.

Spoiler:

vote count 3.6 !

MalcolmTucker (5):

MariaR, Lukewarm, Not_Mafia, Cape90, marcistar

Lukewarm (3):

MalcolmTucker, Titus, Toogeloo

Enchant (1):

JohnnyFarrar

marcistar (1):

MathBlade

not voting (1):

Enchant

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-03 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• waba

Lotta things going through my head with this VC. I was running through a Titus/Maria, Luke/Toog world interestingly enough.

Last day's VCs don't tell me anything since the only deviation from Johnny was myself so. (at least when looking through schadd's iso, not sure about very minor instances).

This post just turned into something else.

[Cape90]

To counter Titus' argument today

Can we not blow our last miselimination on obvious town that wagoned Pooky?

I present to everyone

The one not listening is you because the moment I disagreed with one thing you said you voted me and started to plug your ears. You're not getting that you didn't show how Pooky was town you linked a game and then started saying Pooky is not scum on repeat. Sure, I can understand why you don't want a PR wagon because not everyone is going to agree with my theory on how the day should play out, but the fact you're living in a world where "scum want to push a pr nothing more nothing less." you're just not bending or trying to solve you're playing PR sim and pressing start.

This is also the first time you've asked me to unvote or cooperate on anything, I've given my reads so you can answer that instead of having a useless argument yet here we are.

This post by Maria which does look like they could just been pushing Pooky for the cred of it. Worth taking note of Maria very clearly dissecting a meta argument here (I believe Maria was talking to MathBlade) which I feel can be a contentious subject, so tackling someone else's take on meta like this could just be "i know pooky is mafia" and just wanting that cred or whatever. Since the thread was heading in that direction for a decent chunk of day 2. Especially at that point of day 2.

[Cape90]

marcistar/MathBlade/Titus/Not_Mafia
Cape90/Big Chungus Gaming/furtiveglance
Enchant/Save The Dragons/MalcolmTucker
Toogeloo/PookyTheMagicalBear/Frogsterking
pedit: Mafia is that black and white you're totally right. Anything else?

If Maria is mafia here, I fully expect the last mafia to either be at the top or 3rd row since 2 flipped mafia's are in the 2nd and last row. And that Toogeloo is spewed town from this

and me too since y'know, BCG

.

Could I convince people there's a wolf in BGC/Frog because there 100% probably is? Don't know, it'd probably be easier to vote Save and see where that leads but I'll go the hard route for now.

I would like this

Basically, I think Frog has a higher chance of flipping scum than BCG.

For them to be partners, they had to stage an entirely pointless argument that only made both of them look worse, and I suppose if you want to argue they have a big enough ego to do that, sure. What am I missing about BCG because it seems like you're confident on that to some degree.

If the post somewhat before it wasn't this

I almost want to say Maria could be playing like a hellbusser, making the last 2 mafias Maria/Luke as a possibility, got those vibes off

Cape do you still think save is out of their scum range

v] StD [/v]

meh

These 2 posts. It looks like Maria could be treating me like a village slot but not STD. And it does work with the first post I pointed out.

Not confident in this, it's like suspecting people for being "too right" in a mafia game, that's what it feels like to me when I am making this suspicion XD. I think looking back at this at some point would be somewhat helpful maybe

[Cape90]

tldr: i went in a circle suspecting maria only to not want to push maria today lul

[Cape90]

Toog's recent string of posts feels less like he could be aligned with Titus. Abandoning his Maria push and transitioning to Titus here does not seem like the play that he would make, when he could just hold onto the maria push hoping that. given cape's recent posting wrt to maria, by the end of the day cape could be convinced to join him there - and leave open the possiblity of transition to me as the day spread out.

Walking away from maria, while calling cape obviously definitely town feels like he is closing too many miselimination doors to be scum here.

just another example of you calling me a miselim when you have me in your POE...

[Cape90]

Listening mode engaged.

Not voting anywhere at this time.

Concerns about me not voting can go in the circular file.

VOTE: Titus

All my TRs agree. Let’s go.

well that escalated quickly

[Cape90]

We still should have done my plan. Luke is bragging.

your plan? what was it voting me or luke instead of... the flipped scum of yesterday? because it gets us """info"""

right

[Cape90]

Math, if every universe you have has me as scum, vote me out. I can't be in elo with you with your refusal to reevaluate and do common sense vca along with looking at Frogsterking's last reads.

Why did Frogsterking die before not_mafia? Only two reasons: one, his reads were accurate and two to frame me.

I am not voting anyone but Luke. If you have me as town, vote Luke.

I don't think I'll be able to persuade you but I'll keep trying until blue in the face.

Spoiler:

vote count 1.7 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Enchant (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• e

Furtive
Dragons
Pooky
MariaR

Is disproven by the D1 greeting wagon

viewtopic.php?p=13520704#p13520704 1.9 (sorry mobile)

That scum team for the most part lurks. A surprise wagon on lurker Greeting would bring a lot of heat and be town driven and Pooky plops on.

Pooky isn’t one to do something without believing it helps him town or scum.

So since Pooky thought switching from BGC to greeting despite it 4 and 4 and both being town in that world.

That doesn’t add up to me.

I'm feeling a Pooky+Dragons+furtive+BCG scum team right about now.

VOTE: furtive

Except for furtiveglance, this readwall is 100% right.

if i had a thing to say

kind of towny solving

[Cape90]

i wonder if when I flip town Titus will FOS MathBlade or something.

As for Luke idk, I am not sure he has been too towny today, though I see where he is kinda coming from I guess in his response to me

[Cape90]

luke's latest post is towny now that I have read it. wish I had more to say/comment on it though. I mean luke does bring up some things that looked unpartnery with BGC and proved Titus' claim to be false

[Cape90]

titus' claim still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I think the claim was easy to make anyways. Also marci was quite literally another investigative this game anyways, and titus as another investigative with mathblade and Enchant as town seems pretty frozen wolf to me. Like they are only pointing fingers at the "scummiest" people versus what is actually mechanically viable

[Cape90]

Instead of arguing Titus' point, how about I just tell a story.

Funnily enough it involves DkKoba

About a year ago I was a Universal Backup

So DkKoba got suspicion day 1 around their slot, apparently by an alleged cheater and the game got canceled because of it... but that's irrelevant

DkKoba claimed a partial backup

So I was a full on Universal backup and DkKoba claimed to be a partial backup (sounds a lot like Frogsterking/Titus).

OFC Koba was mafia in this game.

Being the mech noob I was, like I was paranoid but I didn't really do too much about it, but we killed some other mafia day 1 so I decided that I would out the next day.

Next day just kind of never ended up happening because of the alleged cheating scandal involving someone suspecting Koba initially. So I just posted what I was going to out with postgame.

But postgame I was being told that stuff like this really doesn't happen in typical setups by other people that postgame. The game was also using the mafiascum format/setups mostly at the host's discretion but it was on another site.

[Cape90]

Alright so Titus flipped town huh? Still feel like she kinda played a bit suboptimally, like from her POV, one of Enchant/MathBlade is kind of just mafia unless the setup is completely broken, I am blaming schadd if so tbh. A lot of people that were not Enchant/MathBlade were playing scummy to be fair and to address the point that "oh cape pushed on so many people".
I think this narrative very clearly includes trying to pocket me like 3110 is so incredibly not w/w and honestly I feel like gunning for Luke's elim for these shitty comments about defending me. With Titus' flip, the agenda is real, Titus into me since Titus was easier to get MathBlade onto. Oh yes I do say comments 3143/3287/3308/3310.
I almost guarantee that Luke is just kind of doing this to win.
Oh and I also don't like Luke's treatment of the Malcolm slot, especially with the passive comment of 2996 which feels like something Luke said out loud like "if i was town i would have done this but loltown". I feel like if Luke were actually town here, he would be the person to plan out.
So who is Luke's partner?
Very clearly Enchant, duh. PEdit: was thinking this earlier on but idk now.
Why? 3112 enough said. At least the comment looks like some sort of gross TMI on Enchant. Enchant, if you are town, take note.
I would also like to highlight 1633 when it comes to StD/Pooky.
Oooh oooh how about StD's comment about how StD didn't know where BCG went in the middle of 1487.
Also gonna take up a bet that 857 contains like 4/4 town.
Something tells me StD/Maria aren't w/w. Supported by Lukewarm tbh. Though Toog would be something given Luke's longer post involving Toog.
Oh and Lukewarm/StD are confirmed vanilla.

You see Titus, you don't just tell and not show. Which was your problem tbh with a lot of your solving. AKA wish more of your posts were like the post you made looking back at Frogsterking's POE. I suppose I have taken a lot of pot shots too but I wasn't too near elim territory.

Enchant has made not just 1 bad hammer, but now add a second bad hammer to their name, hip hip horray! 2679 :vomits:. And Titus is the person you hammer?
2923 sounds like a "wolf snickering with wolf" type joke. Next post Enchant hammers Malcolm and tells PRs what to do.
Okay to get out of my confbias circle, 3010 and 3057 seem very towny actually. Now the question is, is the setup really this abnormal? Fuck me dude.
I kind of get the feeling Enchant is squeaky clean after looking (minus the little stuff I just pointed out). I could see 3349 as possibly something. Bleh, I feel better thinking the Luke slot is scum.

Toogeloo/Pooky almost seem like too obvious to be w/w. Which makes them w/w right?
Toog seems AWFULLY sure I ain't it.
I honestly have 0 clue what 3350 is supposed to mean? Perspective slip? They call Titus a scary threat but mafia killed Frogsterking because Frog had "influence" over Titus. Is this implying that Titus is town with no influence?
Pooky explains his townread of me based on 3300 and 3302 via interactions day 1 with BCG.
3096 is definitely interesting since to me Titus was the only other person besides myself to try to get pressure off the Johnny slot on his elimination day, so the theory that "Running theory is that Johnny is being cut loose by the scum team" is contradicted by the actions Titus did that same day.
Oh but Cape, what about the day 3 wagon? Toog really didn't think it was MT so Toog went Lukewarm which looks so not w/w right?
As I have stated. Wolves like to spread out their votes. Therefore I am supported. 1 scum malcolm, 1 scum luke, 1 scum enchant? Looks about normal to me.
Also look at 2479/2788/2789/2804/2886 on BCG. It it really overexplain-y I think.
I guess the smarminess is something to consider with Toog and their Pooky push and calling MathBlade's plan anti-town.

I think MariaR doesn't look partnered with the other 2 town and is probably the towniest of the town. I have already explained my distrustfall with Maria, but I also feel like those arguments are weaker then some others provided.
Okay but from his end, he is kind of partnered with Lukewarm.
2165 might just be an attempt to shove MathBlade under the bus tbh whenever Pooky flips as if Maria was perhaps prepping for it like it was Doomsday.
Pooky push does look maybe less like a bus.
1545 is weird on StD. Does that sort of talk out loud thing I don't like when it comes to voting people without voting people.

Fully expecting MathBlade to go 6 feet under tonight so.
But if Math doesn't he has just powerwolfed this whole time and will probably win, gg.

It's not good when both the PR claims are the ones I find most towny, because mech-wise, 1 of them should absolutely be scum.

I think I want to vote Luke out and just sort the rest.

[Cape90]

GDI Math it is you. Somehow

[Cape90]

Welp, I ain't pushing there

[Cape90]

I felt like voting first, but with Toog death I am inno child

Someone cross

[Cape90]

Sorry wrong words, i mean.

I don't think talking about these conclusions makes sense now, before we look at flip of Johhnny. I believe regardless what flip, we can realise what happens and make right choice, right now is kinda useless talk.

I would more likely to ask Marci about mind, because Marci will die like 99% and then move on, unless you have really strong reasoning why we should't go Johhnny.

And that’s what I am saying too.

Titus continues to push me to demand a Luke scumread now.

Which since we are elimming Johnny there’s like no reason to try to hero solve.

I can analyze based on how Johnny flips.

Notice how math calls out Titus for trying to hero solve on Johnny day but doesn't call me out when I literally pushed on Titus Johnny day

Curious

[Cape90]

Let's start baby steps. Do you between 1-3 town reads?

Yep
Not Mafia => Town or neutralized SK (if two town deaths kill with all haste)
Cape90 => Since town nor scum visited I am okay calling Cape Town for now
You => Since Frogger flipped town my you traitor + Frog scum theory is invalid and you’re posting.

Even though this is 3 for 3, this seems like a dogwater reason for townreading me

[Cape90]

I don’t scumread Luke.

VOTE: Marci

Really feeling this instead.

So uh

I think it's Luke/Math actually

I solved the game

A bit late

Obviously Luke and Math killed Toog to make eliminating me easier. It won't be that easy ubnfortunately

Go cry in wolf chat now

[Cape90]

Okay but scumreading MathBlade does come with the territory of MathBlade bussing BCG mega early and confidently

[Cape90]

a charloux mafia flip would have cleared me like 10 years ago :shrug:. It would have been more clearing for NM technically but they got cleared by themselves and are dead

[Cape90]

Charloux would have also have had to have voted Crescent/BCG/Johnny early in the game as well. Funnily enough

[Cape90]

Charloux looks more town then MathBlade somehow so I am less sure there

[Cape90]

I'm gonna look through Toog's iso, Cape I see that you are super gung ho about me being scum, but I am town and this is Elo, so if you are town maybe hold for a bit.

It's fine because it looks like we are solving between the claims first unless literally none of the PR claims are mafia

[Cape90]

I'm like pretty sure it's Luke/Enchant and I'm prob voting Luke today

what do you think of what just happened with Luke and Enchant literally right above this post?

Pedit: Enchant, why are you fucking voting already in Elo?

UNVOTE:

Fine.

Jesus fucking christ. I am going to walk away, and if the game is still here when I come back I will sort through the two of them

pedit: thank you

[Cape90]

I'm gonna look through Toog's iso, Cape I see that you are super gung ho about me being scum, but I am town and this is Elo, so if you are town maybe hold for a bit.

It's fine because it looks like we are solving between the claims first unless literally none of the PR claims are mafia

Do Maria and Luke look like team?

It is viable I think with

Cape do you still think save is out of their scum range

Hrm I could just vote Save and say if he's a villager I can sheep my own reads and just say I was correct and if he's a wolf just sit back for a bit. Will think about that later

HOWEVER, given that nobody has jumped on MathBlade/Enchant when they both jumped on each other, I am going in with the assumption that one of those are mafia since hammer should be 3 so if both Luke/Maria are mafia, both just come online at same time and vote Enchant and win.

Doesn't seem like that is happening so leaning no there mech speaking

[Cape90]

I think Toog looked worse off Luke partnerships if I was going the not Math/Enchant route, but alas, they died. Because at least Maria has been fairly consistent in how they have posted this game and treatment of slots

[Cape90]

Plus me and Maria have at least agreed on the gamestate just being bleh mech with the whole everyone claim thing. Which really "helped" stir suspicion for Titus' slot.

Now in terms of who's scum between the person who suggested the strat in the first place versus the person compiling all of that information. That's definitely... interesting to think about

[Cape90]

I asked it after cape implied that we can be possible both be town, which only possible if Maria and Luke are both mafia,

or Cape mafia themselfs, which i honestly doubt

.

You haven't talked about or implied any sort of previous townread on me. So what is all this about?

[Cape90]

I have been a driving force after all behind such great wagons such as greeting/furtive/malcolm meanwhile having defended pooky. If you look through a lens like that, yeah I am scummy

[Cape90]

marcistar/MathBlade/Titus/Not_Mafia
Cape90/Big Chungus Gaming/furtiveglance
Enchant/Save The Dragons/MalcolmTucker
Toogeloo/PookyTheMagicalBear/Frogsterking
pedit: Mafia is that black and white you're totally right. Anything else?

VOTE: BCG

Maria quick question, what happened between the first readslist and you voting BCG?

[Cape90]

I asked it after cape implied that we can be possible both be town, which only possible if Maria and Luke are both mafia,

or Cape mafia themselfs, which i honestly doubt

.

You haven't talked about or implied any sort of previous townread on me. So what is all this about?

I have bad memory, but if you insist you are mafia. Atleast your opening looked towny for me.

Either way, regardless did i get right or wrong, i will be long dead, so what point.

I am not insisting that I am mafia, you just literally just pulled out the townread out of thin air on me with seemingly little from your own logs backing up that thought.

Besides, once you are "long dead" the game would be "long over" correct? At least this is what it should be from your POV anyways

[Cape90]

Out of literally everyone Enchant, I have been the only person that has voiced a lean towards Math and not you

[Cape90]

IDK I suppose the right play might be Enchant. Literally not voicing your own townreads in the moment is something that is very odd to me and just seems anti-town.

[Cape90]

Sorry wrong words, i mean.

I don't think talking about these conclusions makes sense now, before we look at flip of Johhnny. I believe regardless what flip, we can realise what happens and make right choice, right now is kinda useless talk.

I would more likely to ask Marci about mind, because Marci will die like 99% and then move on, unless you have really strong reasoning why we should't go Johhnny.

And that’s what I am saying too.

Titus continues to push me to demand a Luke scumread now.

Which since we are elimming Johnny there’s like no reason to try to hero solve.

I can analyze based on how Johnny flips.

I wish I knew if Johnny's claim on one shot loyal BG is verifiable since I was just one-shot loyal BG, but I literally went on town and not mafia

I think the only thing close to it being verifiable would be to force titus to target johnny, but if Titus is scum it does not mean very much, and would require both of them to be allowed to live through the day

Ok, so I'm a 1-shot loyal bodyguard. I was unclear on if I still had my shot because it failed when chungo targeted Pooky.

I thought that meant I'd still have the opportunity to use it properly since I didn't actually guard any bodies, but I was mistaken. I didn't have an action to take last night

I was referring to this claim in particular

Mainly I think there’s just too much chaos around the slot. I don’t see a way that through mass claim we’d almost auto win if Johnny is town. I think it’s much more valuable to force Titus not to kill. If we elim Johnny then Titus visit someone and I force visit then if Titus is scum, scum PRs won’t be active if I follow the setup.

I don’t trust Titus to tell the truth.

Extra scum visit Marci because unless Titus is multitasking Marci won’t die otherwise.

Well, unless Titus multitasking, Titus can't use rolecop AND kill. Makes sense.

So if Titus visits someone else (who ideally would be good rolecop check, so it's not wasted) and you vouyer someone else, then you still know Titus visited them, unless scum somehow fake that (which i hardly see possible).

So i think, Marci visit is not superiour and is actually harmful.

That’s one option.

However we lose out on a lot more if I don’t voyeur Marci.

Because we know that it’s very likely scum will be visiting her then we get information on scum.

Eg if it’s just a kill action then we get info scum have a goon (or someone who can’t multitask)

It’s either A) I check Titus and give up information on scum and likely she is still scum anyway
Or B) I can get some limited information on scum but Titus is still scum

It’s lose lose.

if you insist on it then we can elim Johnny then Titus announces who she is checking and I can voyeur there but it’s suboptimal

Math blade, you literally said that on Johnny day that we shouldn't hero solve. And yet by the last quote it looks like you may have been suggesting a hero solve on Titus T.T

[Cape90]

You are fully aware Titus flipped town right?

[Cape90]

IDK I suppose the right play might be Enchant. Literally not voicing your own townreads in the moment is something that is very odd to me and just seems anti-town.

Do you have questions to me?

After MathBlade, who is the most likely mafia candidate after that?

[Cape90]

MathBlade over here shaming who should be scum from his POV over meta

[Cape90]

IDK I suppose the right play might be Enchant. Literally not voicing your own townreads in the moment is something that is very odd to me and just seems anti-town.

Do you have questions to me?

After MathBlade, who is the most likely mafia candidate after that?

MariaR>Luke>You.

Why do you have MariaR as your answer for the final scum?

Math openly theatring with her.

where at tbh?

[Cape90]

Do we know for sure that Chungus is Koba? I think I saw someone say that Chungus is Koba

Yes for sure that is true. They hinted it to me

[Cape90]

to me math feels more calculated which is the hold up for me but honestly, I think we go Enchant

[Cape90]

From my perspective, if Enchant is mafia, then someone is quite literally bussing between the 2 of Maria/Luke

[Cape90]

afteer my.last game.i guess i don't have that same drive after falling flat for getting pushed.
kinda out of this game so imma claim im.loyal bg, if theres a vig this can combo nicely.
I can create a clear potentially and yeah.

I'd like to get STD and i can BG pooky tonight

what do you think this means in terms of Lukewarm's slot?

[Cape90]

Disloyal vig usually is a scum troll claim. Fits with theme of not being believable.

Enchant here specifically warned that in 1977 using my voyeur for accountability would backfire.
This is because at this point scum were going to use BGG to fake confirm Pooky and BCG.
1992 voices this out loud.
2100 by Pooky is an attempt to get out of the wagon while saving BGC to potentially be used later.
Then 2108 is trying to give BGC an out.

In what world do I pin three scum by myself? In what world do I suggest to Frog that Pooky and BGC are scum together on D1 as proven later? Using your own words that is ridiculous.

VOTE: Enchant

You won for this post if you are mafia, the award goes to you congrats

[Cape90]

I didn't think the Enchant voting early thing seemed like outing but it does make sense

[Cape90]

afteer my.last game.i guess i don't have that same drive after falling flat for getting pushed.
kinda out of this game so imma claim im.loyal bg, if theres a vig this can combo nicely.
I can create a clear potentially and yeah.

I'd like to get STD and i can BG pooky tonight

what do you think this means in terms of Lukewarm's slot?

It points toward StD being town.

However I can make a case for Luke scum too.

I can make good cases for Luke or Maria scum.

You on the other hand not so much which matches peoples play.

However if I live to tomorrow I reevaluate that.

I thought so to, and that's why I asked. Even though I have scumread the slot pretty hard and don't think on retrospective that StD has been that towny

[Cape90]

I thought Toog looked scummier then Maria, but then he died

At SOD it was Luke>Toog>Maria

[Cape90]

at least in terms of villagers

[Cape90]

afteer my.last game.i guess i don't have that same drive after falling flat for getting pushed.
kinda out of this game so imma claim im.loyal bg, if theres a vig this can combo nicely.
I can create a clear potentially and yeah.

I'd like to get STD and i can BG pooky tonight

what do you think this means in terms of Lukewarm's slot?

It points toward StD being town.

However I can make a case for Luke scum too.

I can make good cases for Luke or Maria scum.

You on the other hand not so much which matches peoples play.

However if I live to tomorrow I reevaluate that.

I thought so to, and that's why I asked. Even though I have scumread the slot pretty hard and don't think on retrospective that StD has been that towny

EBWOP: hasn't

[Cape90]

oh wait, I was right before the EBWOP

Yeah I would say Luke has been decent at looking generally towny this game but I am also in a world where I wanted to honor Titus, but I wish she gave more a detailed read there of why Luke was playing with agenda in mind

[Cape90]

i almost want to say that BCG quote makes Luke slot look a lot better then Maria

But Maria has more townpoints overall to me

I would be interested in seeing Maria and Luke's cases on each other

[Cape90]

Luke lock wolf btw said they'd vote whole day and never did keep that in mind

they probs didn't expect me to just vote out of the blue while he was offline

[Cape90]

oh

hello

[Cape90]

pokemon fun. anyways I am town as you may have figured by me not hammering there

so yeah, convince me I guess lol

I wasn't expecting a vote so early lmao

[Cape90]

No body being here is making me uncomfortable.

I was really looking forward to either the instant cross or the cape "here, not hammering" post to tell me I am right, so if either one of you can log on I would greatly appreciate it

i like how i came in as soon as you said "omg nobody here"

[Cape90]

I will await cases, as for myself, got distracted by pokemon lel

[Cape90]

Cape you just saw my wolf game you should know this isn't my wolf game sob

one thing

who are you besides maria? This is my first game with you as far as I am concerned

[Cape90]

another thing,

a hole that bothers me in the case against Maria. Maria seems like they have absolutely no incentive to kill Toog based on what you pulled up unless I am mistaken. So am I mistaken? I assume Enchant has had to have been uncaring of who they kill at night?

To contradict myself I found this

There are quite a bit of intentions to be cleaned from using BCG, and I think the most important is that Cape is absolutely town, and that there is a high likelihood of Titus (who replaced Sir Rhett) and/or Maria might be aligned.

He has a really high town read on STD, and mentions it in thread.

He has one singular interaction with Nero (now Enchant).

Enchant, what's your role again?

I might be wrong on Enchant also. I think Titus is the right choice today though.

possibly could explain that discrepency, I am curious to see what maria does. And no, I do not know what scumgame they were speaking of that one EOD

[Cape90]

another another thing,

Luke, so did you like... check me at all the night you evaluated Maria?

I am sure if you are mafia, you found it way easier to push Maria then myself, though Enchant did practically spew me anyways last day with me being their top townread for... reasons they "couldn't remember" or whatever.

[Cape90]

I am realizing that maybe I should have also considered doing a town case on myself?

I did not do that over the night.

idk if self town cases mean all that much, but If you think it will help you at all Cape, I can try to do one?

If so, it might be a bit. I have a busy day tomorrow, so if I am going to do one, it probably wont happen until super late tomorrow, or monday at the latest.

Same goes for if you have any questions for me.

I have chemo monday morning, so I will just be sitting in a chair on my laptop for several hours then for sure anyways

sure yeah

I would like towncases on both you and

If MariaR could do the same

thanks

[Cape90]

Starting Wednesday I will be V/LA

[Cape90]

Cape you just saw my wolf game you should know this isn't my wolf game sob

one thing

who are you besides maria? This is my first game with you as far as I am concerned

Chelsea! That’s why I’m like “how does he not know this is my villa game”

oh, I actually just had no idea. anyways I am looking back at that one game. I mean the game you were referencing I died really early to 3p. I mean the thing I would have done if I lived til next day is just hard push your maf buddy Mungbean. I also thought you were town in your syndicate game and your mafia game wasn't that substantial, but that one game proved me incorrect.

[Cape90]

If you were scum I really don't think that Toog dies going into 5p Elo. Like, I could see you being hesitant to take him into 3p elo with you, one the basis that he would be paranoid why he was not killed in a you+toog+X ep elo scenario, if X was scum, but the night before 5p elo, there was not really that incentive / worry. And then I did not think that if you were scum, that you would have played 5p ELO the way that you did, starting with leaning towards it being Math, but then voting Enchant while Maria was still on the fence.

ya this is a good point...

[Cape90]

My new copy of Pokemon comes in an hour so if I'm not here welll~

ahha, it's fun, but I do wish it literally performed better. It's a rushed and buggy game so be prepared for that

anyways im fact checking things brb

[Cape90]

Enchant was susing me too.

I guess to bring this claim down a bit
1. was suspecting both you and luke to be mafia, I was the odd one out with enchant "doubting" it was me.
2. This was all during the time Enchant had to have been in antispew anyways
I will look elsewhere though.

[Cape90]

I am leaning someone right now over the other, I will keep it to myself for now. Just in general.

It's interesting how Luke didn't use probably one of his greatest ammunitions

Luke lock wolf btw said they'd vote whole day and never did keep that in mind

Like this quote was made when Enchant was voted within the span of like, I guess it was half an hour but Luke simply just was not there, not to mention he could have been planning to vote not then but later on wanting to be the one to make the first move, but I just kinda unannounced voted Enchant.

What I am gatting at is I could see the argument that Maria over here is making an argument with flawed logic and in bad faith. Though idk it's that scummy

One thing Luke didn't address specifically when responding to me was this comment I made

I am sure if you are mafia, you found it way easier to push Maria then myself

Which is true because of how Maria has treated me as town this whole time as well as MathBlade ever since yesterday at least, but Maria has had me in the at least null-town pile all game but the townread on me got stronger

[Cape90]

the way Luke just insta voted today really bothers me

[Cape90]

random thought, if it's Maria, they have been really on the nose

I wonder if the whole Maria being like "why is it enchant, can someone tell me why vote enchant?" was a weird test thing or if Maria actually giga brained herself into listening to me

[Cape90]

me realizing nero was enchant

gdi I knew he was mafia

[Cape90]

lotta town went on pooky

and BCG with a shrug vote I suppose on their partner

[Cape90]

Not alienating either of Math or Cape by calling them scum,

and only needs one of them to vote me to win

.

the what?

[Cape90]

You have not cross-voted Maria, obviously you know I am just town for not hammering you at this point

[Cape90]

idk man, I think scum do "will explain later" alot. Maybe it's just them mimicking townplay but its not something that scum never does. We can jusge Gamma once he comes back with his reasoning but I'm not a fan of yours.

telling the truth about 50?

You are being swayed by Nero of all people?

my reads are good despite what queen Ari says. discredit me more scumbutt

VOTE: cape

I found Nero as town pretty easily last large game so

I'm not sure if this is true? Like you may have intentionally town read me when I was town reading you and then as the game progressed I think you started to suspect me a lil' and then after VP flipped you were hard scum reading me. Though that might have been more mechanical than play based.

I guess not yet but I have my eye on him. He seems dodgy with his reads.

Isn't this as fence sitty as you claim that I'm being?

Cape lambasting Frog for being swayed by me isn't a defense, its an attack on me.

I called out Cape for using pretty silly reasoning to town read Gamma with and his response is basically "don't listen to Nero his reads are shit and he likes to burn down cities."

I mean, with Nero, you could say the same about me, maybe even moreso :wowee:

lol I got distracted and towncased myself :p

The same thing happened with Save The Dragons with you/me, with nero, bcg sussed me I think? but it was more directed at frog

but yeah i found myself relating to 2 of those things :p

[Cape90]

when luke comes back I will see what he has to say I guess, but I will dig around/read the rest of your mafia scumplay as I haven't paid attention to it after I died basically day 1

[Cape90]

I guess the only thing on my mind rn is what's the biggest thing stopping you from just saying "yeah it's Luke"

surprisingly, not too much, but that's literally why I am waiting for him :p

[Cape90]

And yet, the whole time that she is fence sitting, she is calling me scummy for wanting to make sure that me and cape agree before either of us votes.

i looked at what you pulled up, didn't look like fence sitting to me

[Cape90]

But hey, if we're wanting to question the willingness to vote let's look at you again, where you once again have refused to explain why you didn't vote Enchant the whole dayphase. The only thing you ever said was "I want to make sure me and Cape are on the same page" that...does not stop you from voting and with the amount of confidence you displayed the whole phase more then anyone else, you didn't vote. You waited until Cape or I would've voted because you were the one hanging back. You wanted to bus Enchant by merely saying you were gonna vote them but never did.

I made my case that it was enchant, but if Cape read it and still thought it was Math, then the next step if to see why Cape disagrees with me.

So long as we disagreed, I did not want to vote, because it takes agency away from Cape. Like, can you imagine if I was wrong, and cape was right, and I voted before we agreed? That would feel pretty shitty.

Okay you are describing literally what Maria had been saying about herself lmao

[Cape90]

Her response to this was: I don't care if Toog was also voting there.

It... like, does not engage with the idea that she was voting outside of her own scum pool at all. It skips past, why would Maria vote here if she is town?

usually i don't even notice these things when im hopping around wagons

[Cape90]

Cape, I think that we should just vote Enchant here. If it is Math, then I guess he deserves the win

this thought came pretty quick before 3495

[Cape90]

"wanting to be on the same page with other townies before voting in elo"

is just... something that seems fairly straight forward.

Cape, if you actually want me to respond more to this I will. I feel like I can fairly reasonably prove that that is something that I think about games. I had a past game in a guardians set up, where I was in Elo with me+Dunn+unwnd. Out side of that was an IC ffery who could not vote in the ELO.

I was REALLY sure that it was unwnd. Cased him multiple times, engaged in repeated back and forths with her on it. Because she did not agree with me, and she thought it was Dunn. I was not willing to vote Unwnd until ffery and I agreed.

I eventually gave up on convincing her, and voted Dunn, because working with her was more important to me then just... voting my scum read in ELO

dunn flipped mafia?

if not and it was unwnd, you don't have a point here

[Cape90]

I feel like I was pretty clear that I was waiting for Cape to tell me what they thought of my case on Enchant, and making sure we were on the same page.

I cannot even really grasp why you are trying to frame that as a scummy thing for me to do tbh.

You cannot think of a valid reason for why you were sitting there doing nothing when you claimed to be the most confident player*

I'm telling you guys scumhunting 101 if their actions do not line up with their words it's probably one of the most obvious wolf bus tactics in the world I use it to catch so many wolves. See, I can have a good villager game woooo

My actions were:

"trying to convince Cape it was enchant"

You are the one trying to say that the only action that mattered was casting the vote. Which, yes. If we were not in elo, but were confirmed there was scum between enchant/math I would have voted enchant there. But we were in ELO

you have already semi-cased math then immediately backed off of it. That as you have said is what actually happened, you didn't really convince me tbh. I just got there on my own just based on how Enchant was acting + their bad read on me versus MathBlade

[Cape90]

I'm here and not quick hammering.

But also, I am vla today and tomorrow. Jind of shitty timing, and I'm sorry, but I need to put more brain to this game then I can while vla.

Gut instinct is Enchant tho

I'm like pretty sure it's Luke/Enchant and I'm prob voting Luke today

@Cape
@Math

Ready to listen and vote the wolves just lmk

I was already leaning Maria as one of the two based on the Toog scum read there and because I was town reading both Math and Enchant before Elo started.

And this feels like Maria+Enchant to me.

Not alienating either of Math or Cape by calling them scum, and only needs one of them to vote me to win.

yeah these things feel pretty confident that 1 scum is indeed Enchant to me

[Cape90]

the second one was probably b4 the cross though, but first quote stands

[Cape90]

2) Just because I got to the thread already at the point of "betting the game on Maria being scum" does not mean that I did not think about the other possibilities.

I have already kind of explained why I thought Math and Cape were town.

And your constant play calling me scum over and over sure did not help me think you could be town, when I was looking at you,

The first part of this is purely convenient.

Someone calling you a wolf does not auto make them a wolf, you know that everyone who plays mafia knows that come on now. That's not a point, you didn't relook anything.

Okay, cool you have Math and Cape as town so:

You come into the dayphase and not rethink at all or ask questions you just snap vote but...where was that confidence with Enchant? If you really were a confident villager like you were claiming the whole time you would've insta voted Enchant, but you only do that here. And even then the backing you have makes the confidence strange and out of place to begin with.

I won't even get into the fact you've openly dodged a lot of my main points against you but I must go for now so.

IDK I don't do this as town unless I am in a short ass game, and even then, it's rare I just snapvote the first thing. To me it looked like jumping the shark.

There have been points where Luke somewhat contradicted himself in arguments against you, but I haven't felt super compelled by some of your recent arguments?

[Cape90]

You're also not saying why what I'm doing is scummy, you're like, going down a checklist of what you think a mafia and a villager should do and calling it scummy like it's this black and white world like "Look Cape she didn't explain every single action see how scummy that is!" No, that's not scummy.

You just want to make it appear that way because that's what a "villager" does

. You're actually proving my own point with this on how you're just trying to fit into this mold that doesn't exist.

Slightly confused because I feel a double meaning in here

Is it that
1) Explaining every action that you do is something town does.
or
2) Luke's argument against you is something town would do and point out?

If you gave this argument to me as like a blanket statement I would say:

I would assume that mafia would be more self-aware and would want to seek alibis for all their actions. I think as villager I do things more deliberately for sure (or maybe a better word is with a purpose in mind), but sometimes I just do not explain it in the moment, I just do it.

[Cape90]

Yes. Reads change. In response to NEW information. Or even information that you are now reading in a different light.

But she was using the SAME information to call him unpartnered in one post, and then call him obviously partnered in the other.

That is not reads developing.

This is just false. Like that's not how it works. You can look at the same information and come to a dif point depending on how you read something. Like, this isn't even a false point it is just an outright incorrect statement.

I agree, sometimes I need to read back and it changes things for me

wow

mind blown

[Cape90]

BGC pocketed me D1

BCG was equally pockety and weird with STD just to be fair by the way.

Then BCG inexplicably voted STD by the next day just out of thin air. I would argue that treatment was perhaps weirder though you were mentioned in BCG's first post.

I think BCG tried to be unpredictable with their suspicions and stuff and from a glance, seemed to be in antispew almost that entire time

[Cape90]

VOTE: STD

+ naked vote here

[Cape90]

Maria feels correct

But luke feels like the objectively correct play

[Cape90]

Maria feels correct

But luke feels like the objectively correct play

like i legit feel like i should just policy luke for voting immediately, that seems obvious

[Cape90]

VOTE: MariaR

You can tell me I lost the game now -.-